Since we filmed this video, the PS5 is now defaulting to 15 clicks on the 2nd [Adjust HDR] screen on the X900H, which in theory should denote a MaxTML of nearly 1000 nits. However, in reality the MaxTML was still 2000 nits at the backend, which can be verified by entering an HGiG game and exiting, then checking the [Adjust HDR] settings again... it still took 20 clicks to reach the bottom on the 2nd screen. With the PS5's automatic HGiG adjustments on the Sony X900H or XH90, all our findings of clipped highlights, washed-out picture and elevated blacks are still valid, which is why we still recommend setting the [Adjust HDR] values manually.
The uodate was only meant for xr variants as sony stated so why are yoy testing it on a 900h? The 900h only had a vrr update in this of course the new tone mapping feature doesn't work well it was meant for the xr variants as sony has stated themselves only for XR
@HDTVTest Hey Vincent. I have the x9000h model and I download the previous update that released VRR. It seems to me that 120hz is still obtained when VRR is turned on. Can you please find out what's going on?
Could it just be that the UK Model's X900H got an error in their firmware, resulting in 60Hz only for UK? Because the X9000H that I have (which is the Middle East/China/Pacific Asia Model) doesn't have the 60Hz issue.
@reviewfor thetube: You're wrong. Sony clearly included the X900H as one of the models that will support the "Auto HDR Tone Mapping" feature from the PS5, as denoted in footnote 11 on Sony's own website: electronics.sony.com/bravia-gaming FlatpanelsHD also reported this information: www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1633688241 Stop your nonsense.
@@firemusic412 you do know the TV department is different then the console department lmao? Not excusing the automatic settings not being the best though.
Absolutely a scummy scummy move Sony should be sued because of what they put on the box versus what they Emded up doing is false advertising and predatory
Technically speaking the HDTV models are sold each year as opposed to the videogame systems which can have lifecycles of more than ten years. As such and as Vincent pointed out, there is an issue with the chipset that was used by Sony but NOT MADE NOR ENGINEERED BY Sony and the same chipset has a similarly identical problem with the competitor's HDTV that also used said chipset. Maybe the chipset problem can be resolved... however the Sony Bravia x900h x90h model STILL has amazing image quality as long as we don't get into the whole VRR mode as per Vincent's review information... Maybe you should try owning or visiting a friend of yours that owns a Sony Bravia x900h and PS5... I can tell you that these issues only really become an issue when VRR mode is enabled... otherwise image quality is excellent and performance is top notch when VRR mode is disabled.. Likewise when using the Sony PlayStation Pro and high quality HDMI 2.0 cables (note that PS4 Pro does not have VRR nor 120Hz modes) the image quality while actually playing a videogame like The Last of Us 2, Death Stranding and even older games like The Order 1886 is not only top notch but a visual feast for the eyes. Even though HDMI 2.1 features were finalized way back in mid to late 2017... the notion of actually making these features available in consumer HDTV displays for Home Theater or even Gaming is simply not that simple to actually do... Vincent's argument about the Media Tek chipset or it's firmware (which btw implies that Media Tek only allows Sony certain features of the chipset die) is the only logical explanation here... blaming Sony, blaming Vincent or even blaming the technology is rather foolish... In an ideal world Sony should have used the chipset they used for the x950h or x95h which btw lacked HDMI 2.1 as a hardware feature and was a HDTV LCD aiming for home theater image quality buffs but that model also has a price tag much higher than the x900h x90h had at retail back in 2020... Even Vincent made a point to comment about this because ideally the enthusiasts like us would prefer such decisions to have been made and we are talking about a retail price that barely starts at $1,000.00 dollars too so it's kinda implied that this is not a mass market production product unlike PS5, PS4/PRO, PS3, PS2, PS1, Xboxes, Nintendo, and even PC graphics chipsets which the latter tend to be disposable high end tech once 9 months to 12 months pass by.
Before Sony releases any more TVs they need to lock their TV engineers and PS5 engineers in the same room for a month to make sure both pieces of hardware are actually compatible to the fullest extent.
@@ايمنعادلعادل sell it or return it if still under warranty. I did this with my Philips TV that had several other issues like Dolby Digital audio lag of around half a second.... Guess what it had a mediatek SoC too... To be honest I don't blame Sony that much... I blame mediatek they trick so many manufacturers into buying their cheap crappy buggy chips... And this really affects brand recognition. I believe Sony did what was possible with this chip, but that's unfortunately it... I did a lot of research about mediatek SoC in TVs... And I came to the conclusion I'd rather buy a TV where the manufacturer designs the SoC in house... Knows the limits the feature set and what can be done and what not... That's why I went with LG and returned my Philips to Amazon after like 14months ... Praise Amazon for their return policy 😂
I think we all suspected these automatic HDR adjustments were never going to work properly. Sony really are making a mess of HDR, VRR, and HDMI 2.1 in general.
Apart from all those awards and making the best OLED and being the only brand that has updatable software and having the best upscaling/out of the box colour accuracy/motion and sound quality. Apart from those things ye... Crap@Radical Thunder
i do know i will never ever buy a Sony tv, had a bad experience with them. The LG CX is the only tv i owned where the support is amazing. I was very hesitant to buy it but then my bravia tv broke so jumped in for a very good price. Best move i made and that thanks to vincent's channel with lots of information!
I like how all of us X900H owners had to wait so long, to then find out what they promised REALLY isn't possible with the SOC they have. Love the TV for movies 99.99% of the time, but gaming features it was marketed with not working fully or being half assed is unacceptable 😑
I still do not get the X900h. Yes it was relatively cheap, but massively overhyped. I mean it is not even that good for an Lcd, not to mention Oled. And like we know we can completely forget about serious gaming on the x900h.
What a god damn mess the X900H has been. I own the X90J and hoping for better but I suspect I will be left disappointed. I will set HDR myself on my PS5 thanks to this video, keep up the good work Vincent.
@@John-qh3sl Good choise, I could only afford the CX but I have'nt been disapointed at all so far. Been playing roughly 3-400 hours om it and not even a hint of burn in or anything. And it's great to watch tv/movies on as well
I still personally disagree with the 0 setting on the black floor. It obviously crushes blacks and in every game that has a gamma correction setting you will never be able to see the picture where it says "adjust until the object is barely visible" type of screen.
Only on the 900h isk why hes testing the auto tone mapping when sony announced that was really only made for there xr variants he knows this so idk why he's testing it on a damn 900h
@reviewforthetube: Sony themselves included the X900H in the list of TVs supporting "Auto HDR Tone Mapping" on this page: electronics.sony.com/bravia-gaming Footnote 11 says: "Applicable models: all BRAVIA XR models, X85J, X80J and X90H." Stop being a Sony apologist.
@@hdtvtest no it doesn't click the page it says x90j x95j a80j and a90j and z9j nothing about the 900h the 900h part of this update was only for vrr. Did you read the page? It said xr everywhere the link you just sent said xr and showed you only xr tvs. This update also had vrr that was for the 900h nit rhe auto tone mapping. Damn you send a link you didn't even read.
@@hdtvtest it legit only shows xr variants on that link you sent. It states xr everywhere on that page then you click on the xr list it only shows xr tvs. The footnote of course did you not read vrr in the update vincent? So by your logic I guess the a90j has vrr since that was part fo this usoate in the footnotes lol. No the vrr was for the x85j ans x90h not the auot tone mapping. Just like the a80j and a90j didn't get vrr in this uodate.
The video all PlayStation 5 and Sony TV HDR Tone Mapping capable owners were waiting for. Probably a “take caution” warning for Sony XR TVs for current an future owners.
Okay, so that I got this right! (First two settings) Make sure that I am ALL THE WAY DOWN with the down button, going UP, press 15 times? (Third Setting) Leave on ALL THE WAY DOWN? Don’t go up even once?
So basically Sony not only released a borked version of VRR on their own TVs but the implementation of HDR is also set incorrectly too? How many people are going to just trust Sony's settings as you would expect it to be perfect considering Sony manufacturer both the PS5 *and* the TV!!! So glad I ditched Sony TVs and went for an LG OLED back in 2019. Those TVs have had working VRR for two years now and I've been using it on my Xbox One X for that long. The PS5 still lacks VRR support a year after release only because Sony's own TVs did not support it. And based on what you've shown in your videos it was absolutely not worth the wait. It was also grossly unfair on owners of other (in my opinion, better *gaming* TVs from Samsung and LG etc) as we are *still* waiting for VRR with the PS5's first anniversary coming up next month. I really do not understand why Sony get so much praise for their TVs. They are usually overpriced for what they offer in comparison to the competition (including having only two HDMI 2.1 ports) and the only area where Sony TVs really excel is perhaps their motion handling. If you want a good TV though for both gaming and movies then I would find it hard to recommend them. And I say this as someone who always bought Sony TVs in the past.
...... "The PS5 still lacks VRR support a year after release only because Sony's own TVs did not support it. ....." How do you know this ? It is much more likely that the PS5 has its own issues with VRR.
"Which is my favourite TV......to criticise!" 😂 I've installed this new FW but not tested it with the PS5 yet. I'm using VRR mode on HDMI 4 with my Xbox Series X at the moment and tested it last night with MS Flight Sim and FIFA22 which both looked great. Also tried various other things like Netflix and generally the TV seems fine so far with the latest FW 😎👍🏻
If I could return this TV I would. They totally baited me in with the future features. I should have known that once they made the sales and moved to the next year's model they would have no obligation to make sure things worked well. I'd call CS and demand an exchange or refund if I thought I'd have a chance. Should have saved for another month and gotten a CX.
@@qSPARTANp lol. I stupidly introduced my wife to open game worlds and shes hooked on all sorts of games now and often hogs my old 65 x900h. I have a lg c1 48 inch at the back of the room for my 3090 pc, but I often just want to play ps5, so I got a digital to use with the c1. I like the old sony tv, but I must admit im really impressed with how the colours pop on a c1, I didnt think it would be that different! No point in a 3rd unless my cat starts hogging the c1 xD
I got those messages on my PS5 too, but I'm using an LG CX. I didn't read it properly, wanted to get gaming, but wondered why it did it. Now I know. Thanks :o)
Vincent will you provide a full review of the new Sony Bravia x900h or x90h firmware update and how it works with the Sony PlayStation 5 and Microsoft Xbox series x and PC as well as recommended settings or do previous recommended settings videos are enough information? thank you for your very detailed videos. Hopefully Sony will still do some full revisions to the Sony Bravia x900h x90h firmware updates and hopefully further tune it for better performance since programming is still a manual job however if it is just a chipset limited issue and this cannot be further improved... oh well.
Glad I nvr cared about VRR, if a game is developed properly we wouldn’t have to worry about this. I have a PS5 and my LG 65” OLED from 2017 and experience no screen tearing in the games I’m playing on my system.
Finally! Someone gets it - VRR is a necessity on PC as there are multiple configurations and power level. A console game developed correctly won't benefit much, if at all from VRR.
Nice. thanks. finally getting my ps5 tomorrow but using it on a LG CX - I bet you have a video about the best configuration of the LG CX in combination with the ps5 too.
Good to see they came up with a solution to a problem that wasn’t a problem. Not sure taking literally 1-2 minutes to calibrate these settings after engaging HGIG and then just saving them is really a problem
@@Pepe-dq2ib well they have absolutely no legitimacy to complain if the picture looks shit then. Sony fucked up the settings and they’re too lazy to take less than 2 minutes to calibrate HGIG. Probably the kind of people that don’t service their cars and are then shocked when it shits the bed
@@james6818 i agree. I just know too many people with lots of money and they buy whatever is trendy. My brother in-laws sibling bought a $15k audio system and left everything on default, didnt even run the built in auto calibration feature on the $7k Yamaha AVR. The auto isn't perfect, but many times better than just leaving it on default because the channel gains are all messed up among others. Still sounds better than any soundbar system though, now those are trash.
Hey Vincent! Thank you for the videos as always. Question, are these HDR settings of (15 Then 15 Then 0) still the best recommended for the Sony X900H?
What are your suggestions for the a95k?? The auto hdr is setting the first 2 options to 9 clicks down from the top. It's doesn't seem like this would be correct
Wonder if there is a legal case to be made for the x900h, I bought one before the 120hz update and I loved it but its just been broken promise after broken promise since then. 4k/120hz is not possible as its only half res, VRR/120hz isn't possible as the panel only refreshes at 60hz in VRR mode and the picture is trash compared to normal when in VRR mode. these things were promised and now will never be delivered on. This TV went from one of my best purchases to one of my most disappointing.
No sympathy tbh bruh! OLED is the only way to play and leaves room for more 2.1 slots and better features! No matter which OLED you go with, you certainly won't go back to LED! x900 is just another LED failure along with everything the past 8 years EXCEPT for the Q90r which had a extremely high native contrast, higher than most TVs with FALD turned on!... not having 2.1 made that TV obsolete! I have OLED in every room now and a MLED in the summer house "Life's Good"
So you showed us how to calibrate the PS5 HDR properly, how do we calibrate games properly? In talking about that screen that pops up and tells us to adjust the brightness until the image is barely visible. How do we do that properly?
“….which is my favorite tv….🤔….to criticize these days!” “….because i know that some of you are fans of FOURPLAY…” Best damn tech reviewer on RU-vid and has a great sense of humor to boot!!
Hello Vincent, I applied the parameters you say (15-15-0 ) on my PS5 and my Sony X85J 50" TV, in my case there was the auto adjustment of PS5 in 13-13-4 and if it looked grayish, now that I applied your settings it looks spectacular 👌🏽 and that I only play FIFA22, MADDEN22, MLBTHESHOW22, and it looks super 👌🏽now I will have to buy some games that you use in your videos 😍 thank you for the help 🙌🏼 greetings from México 🇲🇽✌🏼
Great video as always Vincent! The only thing, that I have not seen mentioned, is the local dimming setting. I have always set this to high on x900h 85in, but with games(In Game mode it defaults to medium local dimming) Mediuim local dimming seems to fix the blowout of the highlights in picture(like what you show in the clouds in Dirt 5) If you set local dimming to high the blacks are a little better, but the picture is incorrect overall in the highlights. So your hdr settings in the PS5 menu would depend on what local dimming was set to. What was your local dimming set to with this test, and which do you prefer for gaming, medium or high?
It’s not a bad TV, it’s just that people put a lot of faith into Sony delivering VRR and 4K 120hz HDR gaming on the new consoles, back in early to mid 2020 and 18-20 months later, it turns out that VRR was held back because it doesn’t work well on the X900H/XH90. Given it was supposed to be and sold as “the best” budget HDMI 2.1 TV, people bought it for the Xbox Series X and PlayStation 5 (when they were launched) and have waited for nearly 2 years for Sony to cough up a working VRR firmware as was promised on the box and on marketing, which could have caused a consumer recall in countries which have strong consumer protection laws against deceptive practices. The other reason is while the actual TV isn’t bad, it’s just limited by the choices made to compete head on with LG and Samsung. So it’s an 8/10 by itself, but it’s not the bargain model for 2021 that people imagined, because LG & Samsung have working VRR on LED and QLED, and QNED, MiniLED etc.
Thank you, Vincent, for the analysis. Very curious to see how the XR Bravias handle this auto adjustment feature. As much as I love Sony PQ, happy I skipped the 900H.
@@thedarksideoftheforce6658 I’m not knocking the TV but if the full suite of HDMI 2.1’s gaming features are important to you, why would one get the 900H when other TV options are available?
@@thedarksideoftheforce6658 It is VRR and ALLM are working fine as November 2021 long wait was because of Mediatek and Covid Sony Electronics needs different SoC supplier.
Yeah, its an issue I had with the advice. It did occurr to me that sony may have picked settings based on real world rather than absolute reference standards. Or maybe they just screwed it up.
@@titntin5178 just like gamma, the ht crowd prefers 2.4 because of a dark room, but i think, or rather i know the general public watches often during the day on weekends or with all lights on in their living room, which is why 2.2 makes more sense.
I was really annoyed with how many "news" sites reported "Amazing new must have PS5 feature, but it only works on Sony TVs...". At best, if this feature worked correctly, it would save you an hour of research (if you watch Vincents guide for the PS5 settings and such) but for most users the difference is literally a couple of minutes. IF it worked that is.
Exactly - that’s what I’m thinking . I’m torn about getting an a80k or c2 for my ps5 , and I’m worried this great feature is like having Dolby vision , but if you are correct and it just auto calibrates - then who cares lol. Do you know one year later ?
So if I understand this feature it doesn't do anything for the picture while you're playing it it's simply a feature that changes the default settings for your HDR? Wouldn't it be better to just get a LGc1 or g1 with all of the gaming features rather than hope that Sony keeps adding features to their TVs? It seems like if Sony was trying to tie the PS5 to its own TV it would have came up with a more necessary feature but I'm glad they didn't.
Hey man , I’m wondering the exact same thing lol. I am either going to buy a c2 or a80k this week , I have a ps5 and can’t choose. I want the c2 but I don’t want to miss this “auto mapping” if it’s basically ps5s version of Dolby vision. But it seems it’s as you have said , just automatic calibration (which is not very important ) . Have you found the answer in the year since you wrote this ? I’d love to know lol
@@peopleperson7263 while I don't have a sophisticated answer, I can tell you that I eventually wound up going with the C1 and it was honestly perfect. At the time, ratchet& clank of all things was the best thing to benchmark the ps5 in terms of visual fidelity and it was outstanding. And the VRR with the ps5's update that supported it looks great. Going back and playing Miles Morales, I was blown away
@@darkwalker269 thanks for answering . My only question now is weather the lg or the Sony handles black crush / shadow detail better. It’s my Maine pet peeve of OLEDs
Hi Vincent! So cool you're in Manchester as that's where my wife is from. Along the lines of this new firmware, is it just me or any internal streaming apps seem to have lost clarity in their picture? I was watching a few HD series (some 4K some 1080p) and using all my previous settings (your recommendations) I see more "noise" or blurring and stuttering than before. This happened with Apple TV+, Netflix, Vudu, and a few others. Was curious if you noticed any degradation in streaming apps video quality since the update. Thank you for answering if you can!
It for best set manually like he explained. All tv panel may vary unit to unit so not all settings will be the same. I am not fan of blown out highlight so it’s important like he explained bring it down a bit.
