PS5 Sales Dominate Xbox - But Half of Sony's Users Still on PS4 

People are still sticking with PS4 because games are still being made for the thing AND people are broke because of this worldwide recession. Simple enough 😐

Still happy on PS2. That library is kinda unbeatable.

-PS4 still regularly gets games -Rise of indies means less graphically intense games still being made -Smaller jumps between console generations -Massive PS4 library with more affordable games -Economic issues leading to people spending less -Initial PS5 years had supply issues -No price drops yet -First two years didn't have a ton of great exclusives -Games like Fortnite, Apex, Roblox, Minecraft and others still being on previous gen

MY RENT IS 1600 DOLLARS A MONTH. I AINT BUYING ANYTHING

Nintendo called this in 2006… if all you do is just make a more powerful system there’s going to be an end point… and it looks like we’re getting there with the PS5 and Xbox series x…

$600 for a 4k* ps4 games

There aren't enough games in my opinion. Most are just PS4 with a bit higher res. Just recently getting better

The majority of PS5 games seem to be PS4 related.

I think Ghost of Tsushima doing so well on PC proves a point that it doesn't matter how long after a PC port comes out, if it is a good game it will sell. The original came out like 4 years ago on PS4.

18:46 Uhhh did you guys forget almost nobody could even buy a ps5 or Xbox because it was out of stock for like 2 years and you had to spend like a $1000 from a scalper?? I agree lack of games contributed but it was weird to see nobody mentioned the pandemic that haulted everything for a long time.

Don't get me wrong, I really like the PS5, but in no way do I love it as much as the PS2 or Xbox360. It doesn't even come close to how I feel about the SNES. The PS5 hasn't pushed the state of the industry forward. I've said this many times and I'll say it again: there is nothing on the PS5 that couldn't be done at a lower resolution and lower polycount on the PS4/PS3. If those are the only things that change, what's the point? Going from the PS1 to the PS2 was revelatory. It wasn't just a gain in clarity and polycount, it was the scale and scope of the worlds to explore. With the 360 and PS3, the worlds grew larger and more seamless, and the amount of things that could happen in those worlds increased. PS4 to PS5 is JUST a change in resolution. The controls are the same. The things we do in games is the same. Oh, faster loading times you say? Cool. That makes a huge difference at any other time aside from the part of the game where I am not doing a damn thing. This isn't a hardware problem, it's an industry problem that stems from an aversion to risk. You know who isn't afraid to try new things and burn the house down when those things don't work out? Nintendo. As company they have shit the bed more than a few times, but they've also aimed for the moon in terms of what they let you do in the world they create, and they've overshot the moon and ended up in the damn Oort cloud on a few occasions (Tears of the Kingdom!). Nintendo has their own problems of course. They're far too quick to punish the people who love them most. The power on tap with the PS5 makes the Switch look like a pocket calculator. Where is the Mario Odyssey or Tears of the Kingdom on PS5? Nowhere. You get the same first/third-person action live service game with the same controls forever. I don't feel the joys and frustrations of creating something new coming from any PS5 exclusive from a major publisher; I feel a company board worried about pleasing shareholders. That leaves those of us on the other side of the equation feeling underserved and undervalued, and when we leave, the shareholders will have nothing. At the end of the day, it's the indie scene that's pushing the industry forward, trying new things, making mistakes, and sometimes finding success. The indie scene isn't "next gen" graphics obsessed and doesn't give a damn about any shareholders. It's small teams with big dreams, making what they want to make without interference and without a safety net. And it's working! If only there were a way to convince the winners to tell large publishers to fuck off when they come knocking, but then people gotta eat, so I understand the difficulty in making that call for a person running an indie studio that's on the brink of collapse despite decent sales. Uh.. rant over I guess.

Console wars aside, the situation is critical. This gen has been the worst to date and they already said they’re slowing down even more. It’s NOT looking good

I am one of those people still sticking with the ps4. Apart from the price and the, at least to me, unpleasant aesthetics of the ps5 I simply don't see any games that I can't also play on the console I already have. Spiderman 2 and Ratchet and Clank aren't system seller for me. Unless there's a price drop I see the real possibility of skipping this generation altogether.

I’m kind of confused by this topic. Sony sold 100 million+ ps4 systems. Even if PS5 had dozens of exclusive it’s not realistic to expect your entire fan base to move to your new system in the span of 4 years.

PS5 has been the most disappointing era of games in history.

The PS5 sales will pick up again with the release of both PS5 pro and GTA 6.

Not a shock. The PS4 is still getting a ton of games. We were told that 2024 was gonna be the final year for PS4 but it seems like it's still gonna stick around for a little while longer.

My ps5 is used almost exclusively to play ps4 games through back compat, massive waste of money.

If the history of video games has taught us anything, it would be that hardware/consoles don't push the platform/generation... game/software does. Hardware/consoles are simply the means to which you get access to play the games/software. If you produce a consistent stream of super awesome 5-star games exclusively for your platform, people will buy up your hardware/console as the ticket to get into that party. Also, if people are broke AF (vast majority of us), that makes them unlikely to drop $500 on a shiny new console... especially when they can get the same (nearly as good) on their current hardware/console. This isn't hard to figure out. [looking at you, Microsoft]

"the series s is underpowered and holding back gaming". Playstation 4 users "I'm skint it's a recension etc, can't buy a new console, and they are still supporting it". Utter irony.

Imagine if Playstation kept its promise of "we believe in generations" and only allowed "next-gen games" on PS5

Every generation by the time a slim model launched the price of a console dropped. This time around the price of the console stayed the same. I can imagine there are people waiting for a price drop that never comes...

Most of my friends play on PC, the ones (still) on PS5 only play COD, FIFA or Helldivers 2 these days.

Sony can't analyze this and RU-vidrs can? This is crazy.

I’m still on PS4. I’m waiting for either a PS5 Slim price cut or a PS5 Pro being confirmed.

The story of half of Sony's users still being on PS4 is silly. We expected all or 75% of PS4 users to transition to PS5 by now? That would mean the PS5 hit PS4 lifetime sales in half the time. That would be nuts.

I use my PS3 more that PS5/XsX (HEN ftw !)

Im one of those PS4 user waiting for the Pro

A PS5 would be prohibitively expensive in normal economic conditions. With things being absolute garbage right now, there is NO WAY I would even consider purchasing one. Besides, there are very few games you need the system for at the moment.

This current console generation has some serious problems and there's not much disposable income for today's economy to afford $500 consoles or $70 games. It's not a big surprise that many console gamers have little interest in upgrading right now.

Inflation, lack of games/price of games, and one thing I don’t hear anyone really covering, even four years in now there has not been a single price cut! In fact for a minute there we had a price hike. The system wasn’t easily accessible in its prime full price days and a lot of people, certainly in my generation have just moved on to PC

There are plenty of games on the PS4 I never got to finish and spending >£400 for better loading times in games I already own is just poor economics from my POV

I've had a PC in my living room for 20 years. I'm a weirdo.

I can’t afford a PS5 yet. I can play God of War and Horizon on my PS4 and they did such a good job with these games that I don’t feel left out!

I still have a ps4, and i don't really plan or need to change this console. The exclusives i was interested comes also in this console. And complementing this console with an xbox, pc and nintendo switch is enough for me at the moment

Really great segment gentlemen. Thank you so much for taking the time to make this video.

Between many great older games, mobile games, online games like Fortnite and Minecraft, $70.00 new games, Gamepass. There is no immediate need to purchase a $500.00+ system not including games and accessories...

PS4 is still big in used market. $100+ for a console still with the same services as a ps5 just with less new games. Jeez u even still get hogwarts on ps4

The problem is, not enough next gen/PS5 only games have been released. UPDATE- This post wasn’t meant to turn into some weird console war. The problem is every generation of consoles seems to produce less games, and a smaller variety of games. This has nothing to do w/ PlayStation vs Xbox.

this gotta be one of the worst generations for consoles

To me personally i dont find the prices of a new ps5 very apealing. I use pc instead, not saying pc is cheap. But i bet those who have less money dont have enough to upgrade their ps4. They probably thought the prices would go down someday but nope, its even more expensive then its msrp back at launch.

Honestly if I upgraded to a PS4 pro from the base ps4 I would have never upgraded to a PS5. Although I did enjoy the new god of war and rachet and clank there are very few specific PS5 exclusive games I want to play. For me it was similar when I upgraded from ps3 to PS4. My stack of PS3 games outnumbers my PS4 games. Which is pretty sad. And my PS5 game stack is probably around the five mark.

Not everyone can afford a PS5, we must respect that.

Younger generations aren't playing on consoles, and my generation is busy working. Games are also quite expensive nowadays with all the editions making people feel left out if they bought the base version. Special editions last time only included some soundtracks, interviews, booklets or physical items. Now you're missing game content if you're broke, though not some necessary content to complete the game, but content nonetheless.

I’m still on PS4 while buying physical PS5 games

I still have (and no longer use) my PS4. I never bought a PS5 because I upgraded my PC and picked up a Steamdeck. Now, my games look as good as they possibly can, I can mod them if I want (Stardew Valley modded is amazing), I can take them anywhere, AND I don't have to pay every year just to play online.

PC in livingroom with ability to play all games is MiniPC with at least 780M and 32Gb RAM) it will costs around 4060Ti or 500-600 USD )

I think this has been a pivotal generation where not only are more people playing/staying with last Gen hardware but there has been a big movement to PC as well.

There was 10,561 Ps4 games made . So even if a new Ps4 was not made again that is a lot of games to catch up on in a lifetime .

Half? im 54 and im still using ps1/2/3/4/5 all bought from new

Inflation has left people with less money than usual and the consoles normally sell the most after multiple price drops... So it is a double whammy!

Why is Richard so perplexed with a Sony multiplayer game got released simultaneously for console and PC while their single player games don't. It's obvious that online multiplayer games need to hit quickly on all the platforms it can at the same time to become the fad it needs to become to garner a huge player base. Single player games don't, and with a staggered release, there are many people that got the game on the playstation console and then double dip on the PC.

The PS4 has a huge install base so why wouldn't developers target that system. I expect if the Switch 2 is backwards compatible it will be the same situation. Publishers can sell games to 100m built in customers or the 5-8m that buy the new system at launch. The Ps5 is just a PS4 Pro Pro for those that want the best possible PS4 game experience.

Holy shit balls thought I was the only one still on ps4, pc and series x.

There are no money to spend for game 70-80£ when food prices are 40% higher since pandemic

I still have my ps4 due to having a larger library than the ps5 even though the ps5 and xbox series x both came out the same year but the xbox series x has more games than the ps5 and bought the xbox series x because of backwards compatibility for my old xbox games from the original xbox. The ps5 discs needs to be connected to the internet just for the ps5 discs to work when physical discs in the past consoles never needed to be connected to the internet just to play games. It's not like having a disc connected to the internet will prevent piracy since there are users that can still pirate the ps5 with certain types of hardware and firmware to circumvent the internet connection needed if they choose to go that route. I would not be surprised if someone made a chip to bypass the anti piracy to play the ps5 discs without needing to connect to the internet or even a usb stick to bypass the anti piracy with software installed on the usb stick to circumvent the anti piracy that needs to be connected to the internet. There is a possibility that someone can make a flipper zero type of device dedicated to game consoles and even pc users that we have not heard about since there are modders that will go to great lengths to be able to do whatever they want without dealing with the limitations imposed by the manufacturers by reverse engineering the modern game consoles and modern pcs.

I’ve had a PS5 for a year and a half and I haven’t bought one game for the console outside of God of war Ragnarok that was bundled with the console. You have a $500 dollar console and even more in places outside the USA. You have 70 dollar games, 80 a year for online, 70 for a controller, 30 for a charging port it gets expensive. Plus you just don’t have the games because of how long development cycles take. Along with being released during Covid when scalpers were marking up the prices has made this one of the messiest console generations ever. The fact the they are still releasing games on the PS4 and Xbox One 4 years after they released is insane. 4 years back in the day was an entire console generation

What's the rush ?

I know I always tune into DF for all the best news and opinions on the Master System!

I’m still holding back on buying a PS5. I still have a huge PS4 backlog and there are maybe 10 games on PS5 I want to play- and some of those have PS4 versions. Maybe I’ll pick up a PS5 Pro but I can foresee using it as mainly a PS4

ONE GAME I DON'T KNOW WHY I BOUGHT A PS5 WITH NO GAMES TO BUY KEEP THAT IN MIND THEY DESIGNED THIS DRIVE TO IMPROVE LOADING TIMES THAT'S ALL I KNOW

Completely agree with Linneman about launchers. Having everything in one place makes it easier to use external tools like injectors, makes modding easier, makes your games easier to access, and valve are at least good custodians. They are typically more pro consumer than most public companies and PC gamers feel safer buying from them as a result. They don't bloody themselves following grubby trends and typically side with the most reasonable outcome, even if somewhat unconventional or not strictly a contractual obligation. They don't really need *your* money, so they default to acting responsibly. I also admire their flat creativity-first corporate structure and their use of their seemingly infinite money to push gaming forward with VR tech. I hated steam at first, but they have consistently earned my trust.

9th generation consoles and games are simply too expensive. The improvements aren't worth the asking price

Actually been thinking about buying a Ps4 myself. Gonna assume its not too hard to mod now and it's already dirt cheap, so seems a decent purchase really.

I dont find it hard to belive. Theres nothing truly worth it to play to want to upgrade. I tried Rift Apart and while it looked and ran very well, it just felt like such a letdown in everything else compared to the older titles. My ps5 has sat without being turned on for months until Stellar Blade came out. Its been my second ps5 only game ive bought since i got the console 2 years ago.

I'm the niche Rich mentioned. I recently did budget pc upgrades for my HTPCs because my backlog is massive; Including PS4 games. I'm not pleased with direction some publishers are taking the industry and am just as content to play older games I've been sitting on for the most part. Oddly enough Sony is earning my respect as a publisher. I've been enjoying Horizon FW for the past month; excellent port, no DRM, and fair price. Seems like Ghost of Tsushima is the same.

I believe the last report was 27 million Series S/X units sold as of December 2023. Not 21 million as John stated. We don't have and up to date count.

Im still sticking w my ps4 pro cuz I dont see games I want for "next gen" plus I've been getting away from AAA games n playing games like hollow knight, cuphead etc

Only reason i got a ps5 was for FF games

I thought it was about 28m in Feb for series consoles.

I think we still in the same generation from 2013

Now with Helldivers 2 we know that: 1) Consoles only exclusive doesn’t matter 2) If the games is good it will sell 3) Microsoft doesn’t know how to make a good games anymore. They focus too much on service bla bla bla.

I’m just waiting for the PS5 Pro. There isn’t a big library of truly next-gen games on it yet, so I see no reason to upgrade now.

Prices haven't gone down as much as they usually do. The slim is out and it isn't like £100 cheaper from launch price or anything.

I'm still happy with my PS4 Pro. Havent felt any urge to upgrade, there has been no "killer app" that made me want to upgrade.

This generation feels completely fake. Is there even 5 games since launch across both Series X and PS5 that are truly next-gen? It's a fucking disgrace.

I just upgraded to ps5 last month after my launch day ps4 broke 😂😂😂

2/3rd if not more of those PS5 sales are to retailers and not actual people.

Of course. The PS brand has always been known for its longevity. It is such a bonus for Sony to continue get profit from their legacy product, with their current gen product.

I'm one of them. 90% of my time is on Nintendo Switch, but otherwise for modern console games I just have a ps4. A launch ps4. Playing Persona 3 Reload on it. Plan to play Metaphor Refantazio on it in Fall. PS5 is too big, unweildy, and expensive for me. Especially seeing as how I'll also be needing to buy yet another separate ssd for it too. Screw it

All of this gets solved once GTA 6 comes out! Watch how many of those PS4 players upgrade to the PS5.

Great takes. Enjoy listening to your logical and objective discussions regarding these topics while I work.

I mostly play PS4 games on my PS5. Theres really no reason to own a PS5, no exclusives that matter

PS5 is not good value, £70 games, £60 online fee, how about f&ckin noooooooooo

There is no need for Ps5 🤷‍♂️.

This is what happens when scalpers buy up everything. PS5 sales don't mean much when half of the consoles are just collecting dust somewhere.

I have a ps4 pro so games still look good on a 4k tv + still have a massive colection of games that I bought on sale over the years and haven't yet got around on playing them . I've see Ps5 at a friend. Felt more like bumping up from medium to high settings when compared to PS4 so I don't know if Ill upgrade. Maybe with PS5pro anf gtaVI ? 😅

If half still on PS4 why on earth are they doing PS5 pro ??

The classic PS3 meme was “PS3 has no games”, and when compared to the PS2 it really didn’t. PS4 had fewer games than PS3. PS5 has fewer than PS4. There’s nothing to play on this thing and it’s been out for almost a full generation.

I've been waiting for the PS5 Pro, which i thought would be out last year. 😭 But I'll definitely be getting the PS5 Pro this holiday.

I bought a PS4 a couple of months before the Pro was announced. Wasn't going to make that mistake again.

Hi Everyone !

PS5 feels not really next gen console, but an upgraded PS4 & PS4 PRO. PS5 Console should be called ps4.3 at this point, PS6 should be called ps5. Just my opinion but I'm disappointed with both Microsoft and Sony this generation both consoles to me are just upgrades of their predecessors 😑. So it's no surprise that 50% of Sony's players are still on the PS4 considering that well why would you want to waste your money on a console that's slightly better than the PS4.

Am still on ps4 and its my last sony console cuz sony refused to implement full backwards compatibility before yall say "uh just buy the old consoles" old console hardware wear out. I bought a pc instead best investment ever made

I've got a PS5 but I still regularly play on the PS4 Pro that's set up in another room, even on the PS5 I'm quite often playing PS4 games. Without knowing how they're counting PS5 users I'm not sure where I'd fall in these statistics.

No reason to buy a ps5 because all their games are on ps4 and pc.

I play my series x way more than my ps5 it mostly collects dust

Yup, as a barebones or pure kind of gamer myself I don't want any real futuristic stuff, or crazy amount of perks, or cod dogs to call in. Focus on the fun factor alone can take a game far.

Nixxes used to do day and date ports when they did ports for Square.

I ditched my Xbox for a Playstation when red fall came out.