Pursued and Persistent Road Rage 

Hi everyone, I'm the cammer in this incident. Just wanted to give you an update on what Cheshire Police have said to me since I reported it. Phil Greaves from the Initial Investigation Team called me a few days after. Basically to go through what had happened. He explained to me that he ran the registration in their system of the Audi which had come up that it was under trade. The original owner the car was registered to, lives in Manchester. Phil explained that obviously that is outside his area and would need permission from GMP to go and send his officers to investigate and ask who he sold the Audi to, if he knows who he sold to etc. He has put a marker on the vehicle with a Section 4A public order and damage to Motor vehicle. But advised that his officers would only make a stop if the car was doing something illegal. They would not randomly stop it to see if the driver was a match in my case. I've sent Phil all the footage and Screenshot of his face and he says he's logged it in the system. I've had no further communication on the incident since. To be honest I don't think anything will happen but we'll see. He does seem the type to do something again that's for sure. Definitely learnt from this though - If someone wants to drive like an idiot don't add fuel to the fire. Will give them a wave. Thanks Ash for the Analysis!

If a simple hand gesture is enough to set someone off, they need to get looked at

Surprised it’s a young guy in an Audi, they’re normally so level headed and law abiding… especially the guys in the really cheap small-engined ones.

The guy was definitely right to mount the pavement. Getting out of danger should always take precedence over the rules.

2 year ban for dangerous driving, 24 months suspended for the threats and 750 years hard labour with no chance of parole for the outfit. Next case please……

Nice of him to put his hazard lights on at 3:21 to announce to everyone on that road that he's a hazard. And that's probably the kindest description of him that will be seen in this comments section

There is no question the cammer has been a victim of common assault. They certainly felt they would be subject to imminent unlawful harm, given the lengthy pursuit and their necessary evasive action. Furthermore, there's criminal damage in the kick to the car, and a possible public order offence also. And the kicker, it's all caught on camera, with his REG in full view. The Police will take action. I'd love to hear from the cammer what the outcome ends up.

That guy is why there are prisons. A danger to all of us.

A car is one of the most dangerous weapon anyone will own and when u use it to chase someone….then it’s time to take that privilege away

If you’re conflict avoidant don’t invite conflict. Also, badman runs like a little girl 😂.

I'll guarantee the chav in the Audi cut the roundabout on purpose for a reaction to bully someone. Imo reacting to bad driving whilst a risk is ok in my eyes. We are human and interact, just because he's in a car whats different. You see someone being a idiot in public your likely to point it out so why is being in a car any different? The fact he pursued 3 times and got out is pure road rage he shouldn't hold a licence and hopefully 1 day he won't look for a easy victim and finds someone who puts him back in his chav mobile physically and shows him why he shouldn't behave this way and grow up. Just my opinion.

I’ve once shown a hand gesture to another driver too. They chased us down, when we stopped at a traffic light and got blocked it, passenger came out, threw a bottle at our car and made his way to my door. Stupidly, I came out, as I was annoyed about him damaging the car. I am 6ft3, so I was much bigger than him, but I saw that he was holding onto something in his hoodie pocket, which could have been a weapon. Fortunately his buddies (there were 3 altogether) shouted at him to get back as the traffic started moving and it was attracting too much attention. I was very fortunate, my arrogance could have cost me dearly! This cammer did really well at avoiding any further trouble. It’s not worth it, remember we have more to lose than these thugs…

If that doesn't end in a prosecution then the Police in that area and/or the CPS need to have a serious think about themselves. There is absolutely no doubt that a number of offences were committed by Mr Red Audi in this video.

I’ve seen people get triggered and indeed, have been triggered myself so many times in my 35 years driving, however I’ve never been witness to something like that. A few words, the ‘in car’ bravado as it is and all that, but never a full on chase. I am very impressed by the cammers ability to keep thinking clearly and having options at all times, even under that stress. I honestly don’t know if I would have even thought to go up the pavement because it is so entrenched in me not to do that, BUT if being threatened and in fear of our safety, then I would hope I do think to do it safely.

Imagine having such a fragile ego...going through life being so insecure about perceived 'disrespect'.

Because of this potential aggression I don’t bother reacting to other drivers bad decisions but instead just let it happen, the bad behaviour just escalates and it could get dangerous. I do the everyone wins driving, the bad driver and their ego isn’t challenged so they soon feel victorious and I win because I don’t have to deal with their hurt ego and possible consequences.

I remember being the victim to one of these when I first started driving. Going down a 30mph road with a black Audi Q3 riding really close on my tail and flashing their lights, I stick to the speed limit (Had a black box and didn't really feel like speeding down a heavy packed area, not to mention the Corsa I had couldn't really go above 5mph anyway aha), so when I got to a roundabout, I went about as normal than pulled in soon as I got to a clear piece of road to let the guy go past (This was my first mistake). Didn't throw any hand signals to the other driver, however I said to myself (In a quiet, self talking voice with windows rolled up) what a ****ing idiot. The black Q3 then drive past, slowed and started reversing until it was level with my car. At this point looking back I shouldn't have engaged and I acknowledge this now, but being the new driver I was, I rolled down the window to hear what the guy was saying. He started saying "What did you just say?! I'll deck you, you wanna fight?" to which I responded "You were right on my arse, it's a 30 limit", eventually after what felt like an eternality of calmly telling this guy that he was riding my tail and that I was driving the speed limit, he gets back into his car and drives off. How on earth he heard me whispering to myself I don't know, I've got a feeling he was looking for a fight just by his attitude and his manor of driving. I was utterly shocked that idiots like that are allowed on the road. Now days, if I think someone's riding too close I'll analyse the situation and look for options, turn onto a different road etc. But if there's anything I've learnt, NEVER pull over if you think somebody is going to do something stupid and definitely try not to engage them. Everyone stay safe out there! Nice work Ashley keep it up!

The dress code says it all. In this situation, I'd find a roundabout and keep going round until he gets bored. If he can't overtake, and you keep moving, you're in control.

Funnily enough I was involved in an unpleasant road rage with an red Audi A3 driver a few weeks ago in Norfolk. I get the impression that both Audiots were just looking to wind up other motorists in some sort of willy waving competition. This style of car must attract that sort of pond life.

I remember a funny road rage PSA ad in America, a guy kicks off and Evander Holyfield gets out of the car.

I was driving in this area just a month ago, I'm from a neighbouring town and I had no idea the shared space was coming up. Given I've only had my licence a couple months, I was dreading it when I saw the sign "welcome to Poynton shared space", but it actually wasn't so bad. I've seen that statistically they're miles safer than other roads simply because people are a thousandfold more alert and drive at an appropriate speed on them, so I embraced it. Thankfully this prick in the Audi wasn't there to ruin my fun.

Well done to cammer for their quick thinking and giving themselves options for get-away routes. Their intial 'hand signal' obviously was not the best thing t have done, but the reaction it preciptated was just incredible and inexcusable. They were super-aware of the transition-space around their vehicle and it definitely helped them evade the potential assailant. That could have turned real ugly and in I donlt doubt some peple watching this would have maybe had the thought to just run him over!

Did anyone else notice that just when you need someone to get out of the way they decide to slow down to 15mph to see whats going on! Frustrating!

Tempting as it is to say you'd run him down, the hassle and stress from waiting to hear if you're going to be charged with culpable homicide isn't worth it. Using the path to escape is justified.

The moment the thug steps out, he's fair game. Infantry should never fight armour. You want to see a "not bright spark"? How about the "not bright sparks" who pepper villages with double roundabouts. They should be forced to leave their name and email adres on every disaster they "designed".

I think it's a good idea to be aware of the door lock button in your car just in case anything like this happens.

Red mist. Excellent restraint by the cammer, not sure if I would've had the same self-control. & the police will do sweet fa.

That's an interesting one as you said Ash and quite worrying that the Audi driver would be so persistent in chasing down the cammer over the hand gesture...and as you said, costing him so much more time than the original incident. Something tells me this isn't the first time he's gone after someone. Of course, best to keep the hand gestures to yourself. I have to admit some time ago to giving a "sarcastic friendly hand wave" (nothing rude) to am impatient driver behind me though I don't even do that anymore. As you eluded to, in a situation like this I think it's ok to break the rules to get away as long as it's done so safely. One thing I might have done a little differently in Round 2 (or any other time a driver gets out of their car to pursue on foot) is to drive very slowly away from the pursuer to give them hope they can still catch up with me on foot... and then drive away when we are a considerable distance from the pursuers car. Thus maximizing the distance they have to get back to their car! Bait them along whilst they are on foot for as long as possible...and then drive away. More chance they will then give up. Is it my imagination or is the Audi's offside brake light noticeably dimmer than the nearside? Wonder how well maintained Mr Angry keeps his Audi. Good to hear the police were notified. Im curious to know the outcome.

Wise words, best not to try and confront someone like this and get away, if they'll behave like this in a car they probably wouldn't think twice about sticking a knife in you.

Extreme over reaction! Must be dealt with as if 3 separate road rage incidents!

As I've already emailed Ashley separately about , I had a very similar experience a few nights ago ; passing a parked van and car at the side of a country road , I sounded my horn to warn of my approach in case either opened a door ; also because I had glimpsed an oncoming vehicle across one of the bends . This was enough to trigger the van driver into chasing me for about five miles before cutting in front , just like the red Audi , and kicking the side of my car as I accelerated away when he was out of the van . I can't say too much else just now , but I reported it as road rage , then a WPC came round and , after viewing my dash cam footage it is being treated as RTA section 2 - dangerous driving . I will share my footage and more details once this has been to court .

That is terrifying, how persistent he was and how he tried to block his escape before getting out! On the one hand, I don't think I would have made that gesture in the first place. On the other, I don't reckon I could have kept cool enough to get out of those situations as skilfully as the cammer did. I just hope I never find myself in an incident like that!

Yeah I can't be bothered for road rage 😂 - do this in London and they'll just pull out a knife and it'll be game over - you wanna be right/have priority, have it!

Thanks for another lesson on how not to behave on the road, and also ideas on what we can do to keep ourselves safe should the worst happen re: road rage. Love the comment about Cheshire Police at the end and 100% agree 😂

What you have to consider is no one knows what you would do when presented with an incident like this, some will run and some will fight depends upon how you have been brought up and how confident you are.

Quite happy to admit on round 3 I'd have been aiming my car at the Audi driver as he approached.

I do love these angry boys, they come out their vehicle like they're something special! The thing they don't realise is one day they'll come across someone, like me, who will use their vehicle as a weapon. I was fearing for my life officer, honest!

Mean watching ur videos for a while now and love them. Keep the work up!!

Wow, that area has changed a lot. That double roundabout is fairly new to me. It used to be a set of lights but the lights caused a lot of traffic jams due to tailbacks from vehicles travelling from Hazel Grove. It used to be my cycle route to BAe Woodford from Offerton and I had to wait at the left side of the road for a break in the traffic to get in the right lane. I guess with no BAe Woodford anymore the traffic has reduced a lot in the last few years

Rear camera would have been good to how dangerously he had to drive to catch up and get in front.

Some people are just looking for a fight, whether they're driving a car or walking down the street. When you see someone acting belligerently, give them a wide berth, not a reason to get aggro.

Great advice Ashley. Just don’t react. Yes, most of the time you will get away with your little gesture of defiance. But the odds tell you that if you keep doing it often enough something bad will happen. So try not to do it at all and avoid the stress of an uncomfortable incident.

Just watching this raises my hackles, what a horrible situation, the cammer did so well to avoid any further confrontation, or damage to himself or others trying to get the hell out of the way.

The difference between a raised palm and a raised finger is remarkable. Each gesture requires effectively the same amount of time and effort to perform but the potential outcomes are so very different.

I think I can summarize this clip quite simply in few words: Angry Audi driver desperately wants to fight. Great awareness by the cammer and awesome reaction (Aside from the finger... you know. :P )

I was persistently chased like this a long time ago, can't remember what I did to piss them off bit after realizing they weren't giving up, and that I was alone and there were 4 in their car, I went tactical and as it was night time I last seeing turned into another road (my car at the time was track prepped and cornered like it was on rails with upgraded brakes match) at the very last second, which caused him to overshoot and back up. I used this bit of time to get out of their sight line, drove onto someone's driveway that was concealed by a large bush and switched the car off, hoping they would be on chase mode, driving too quickly trying to catch me up to notice me in the drive. It worked, I gave it 30 seconds then got out of there and went home.

The correct course of action was to assume an immediate threat on your life, and drive into the rager as he approached.

Calling him a wet wipe is too kind 😂 must admit I've been guilty of the one-fingered salute in the past but I settle for an eye roll and a momentary grumble now

I always love the way they hide road traffic signs behind a tree or cover them in foliage so that if you notice it would be at the last minute when there is no time to read it because someone is breaking in front of you and you have to have your eyes on the road. It’s is a common problem in the uk.

The Audi guy is like “U WOT M8?” in the thumbnail.

I love your videos. I can watch 1 at a time. I have learned lots. Thank you

What planner thought all these joined roundabouts were a good idea...

Ive been persued after ive made a mistake before. Car spent about 4 minutes directly behind me waving around and flashing their lights with their horn on. I never actually made a single guesture towards them, but they didnt want to stop, following me. I ended up making a slightly dodgy turn last minute to get away. No idea what makes people this angry, maybe they need mental health help or something? Either way, not safe.

Sooner or later that Audi driver will meet his equivalent, or worse.

Absolutely terrifying. That there is somewhat proper procedure for when you're afraid for your life, is even more so. We shouldn't have to be in that situation.

We can all lose it occasionally. The key is to learn from it and what triggered us. And we never know who we will deal with. I surprised myself getting involved in a little road rage a few months ago. First in years. Will be much more alert now. Keep thinking I will see myself here on the channel.

Ashley, if you get an update to this please post it on this thread, thanks.

double mini roundabouts are more hassle then they are worth. I get the logic theoretically, but getting everyone to do them right is practically impossible.

I saw another similar red audi road rage in England on another video that was like worse than this one, I'm glad your friend is ok

a similar thing happened to a friend of mine in Colchester. Unfortunately (or fortunately) for the idiot in that incident, my friend and his three mates who were passengers in the car are in the Parachute Regiment, for some reason the idiot lost all his bravado and aggression when they got out of the car and decided to leave!

When he got out of his car and ran towards the cammer (round three), I would have laughed my tits off if some *other* chav nicked his car!

Could you get away with running him over when he got out as he was making himself a threat?

Someone did this to a friend's wife. He was so blinded by his rage that he didn't register when she drove into his work car park after calling hubby to say she was being followed. He still didn't register when he got out the car and strode over to her car. He finally registered when friend/hubby who is a big boy had him up against her car by his throat suggesting not so politely that he should leave while he still can.

This is very close to where I live and so I have been over that double roundabout and it is a stupid design. One bigger roundabout would have been better. It replaced a set of traffic lights. About 15 years ago. Initially they put 2 huge rocks (litterl rocks) in the middle of each roundabout which subsequently caused accidents at night of cars just ploughing into them as they were unlit. And HGVs getting stuck going round them as they made the turn to tight.

Nobody is getting out their car like that and walking up to me. I would've put him back in his car. People like this need a lesson cause he wont be doing that to a police car...

@1:28 lol the second I saw he was older that 15 and still wearing a baseball cap told me everything I need to know about this childish tool. everything that followed from this point on reinforced my opinion on this buffoon

People suggest don't set others off - if there's no push back i.e. honk at someone cutting you off or calling them out on shitty driving, then they continue to do so and will then push another boundary until one day you're being told don't fight back while they're smashing up your car with a bat because you might make them angry. The Police should be charging the driver and revoking his license for this road rage incident instead of taking the easy route. There's number plate recognition cameras out there, as soon as this car triggers one, pull the driver over and if it is this clown, drag him to the station in cuffs. At a minimum he needs a psychiatric evaluation and a driving ban until he's cleared as fit.

It's lucky for the chav that the cammer didn't panic and take him out, some people get very nervous and do dangerous things when scared

This reminds me of an incident years ago ,when my older brother, myself,and a couple of mates were in my brothers 2cv driving down a country lane and a guy in a Honda crx decided to overtake opposite a junction and cut us off, my brother then flashed him once with his high beam to let him know he'd done something daft, however afterwards he then slammed on his brakes, smoke came from his tyres and then he proceeded to crawl in front of us, because we were only in a 2cv, my brother wasn't stupid enough to try and overtake, after like 5 to 10 mins he sped off, and turned left at the junction further ahead, we then got to the junction and turned right, travelling down another country road for a couple of miles and got to another junction and went to turn left, when the Honda appears out of know where and cuts in front again, my brother flashes him once more and when he gets to the roundabout and fly's around it 3 or 4 times squealing his tyres ,smoke everywhere and then shoots off, we then carry on our way, my brother then says, that is why I try not to react to bad drivers , and then says what just happened is the reason why!

I wonder what the police outcome will be

This junction can be a bit of nightmare. Both my motorcycle instructor and my car instructor took me through it a lot.

Ive had a few confrontations similar to this, but didnt drive off, stood my groud and most are all bark when you shout at them and match there response, but i shouldnt do it, but i see red too. If ive caused an issue when driving i apologise and it usually calms the situation.

Surely "thou shalt not one-finger salute other road users over trivia" should be one of the 10 commandments of "defensive driving".. And.. "wet wipe"? 😂

What is it with some Audi and BMW drivers?

Not that this is the point, but having used those "shared zone" roundabouts in Poynton a few times, they do seem to cause more problems than they solve. Thankfully a bypass is being built to take through-traffic away from the town centre (generally most south-east and southbound traffic from Stockport and the Airport Link Road is forced to come straight through Poynton).

I live about 5 minutes away from this junction in Hazel Grove and almost everyone I know has had issues there before. The “shared space” area and oddly shaped double mini roundabouts always lead to problems. Doesn’t surprise me seeing this

Guy runs like a pansy, bet he got flushed a couple of times at school. Now he's bought a secondhand shit box and reckons to rule the roost 🤣 As for venturing on to the pavement.. I agree in this case and seeing as it's fairly unoccupied fair enough.

I live not far from poynton and this shared space always makes me feel nervous. Although they are clearly signposted as roundabouts very few people use them this way. Not talking about people just confusing them with drive-overabouts but also often going the wrong way round

Having been on both sides of road rage, I 2nd that it is just not worth it. I was detained at the pleasure of HM prisons for a period that was just too long to be locked up with some of lifes less fortunate. Another motorist behaved in an extremely agressive way towards me similar to the above, however I decided to give the other guy a taste of his own agression, unfortunately for both of us he was seriously injured. If you get into a serious altercation with someone it usually ends with with injury and or a criminal record.

Looking at these road rage incidents suggests to me that a lot of these people have narcissistic traits. They have to be right and superior, cannot admit to mistakes, having flaws, etc. So they avoid taking responsibility and blame other people for things that go wrong. They are very competitive but can't handle lossing. You may want to have a look at a few of Dr Ramani's videos for more details about these antagonistic people.

I'd have to admit to being apt , long ago , to sounding horns , flashing lights or making hand gestures at people who did something like that on the road , but like most people I got wise to it and now avoid those situations . Mind you , I do think there are plenty of people who would've got out and flattened that skinny little runt of his litter ; and if he'd damaged my car , I might have been one of them .

Keep doors locked, keep calm and keep driving. The driver did well getting around him. Lots of dangerous people on the roads so keep safe.

I’ve driven through Poynton to head towards Macclesfield. I saw those roundabouts and the odd pavement markings and the road calming signs. I am surprised that this dude wanted to go 3 rounds in with Mike Hammer 🙃

Wow this is really scary. You never know what lunatics are out there and what they're carrying. The driver did a great job escaping.

I was in a similar situation many years ago, I was giving a young man a lift at the time. In the passenger footwell was a few tools including a sledge hammer with a broken handel, the handel being about eighteen inches long. The road rage man overtook me and stopped blocking my way and got out of his van and approched me he was much bigger than me with a claw hammer in his hand. I later found out he had a reputaion for being a local hard man. I opened my door and my passenger said watch out he's got a hammer. I said I don't give a fvck, iv'e got a bigger hammer and I picked it up and got out and faced him. On seeing I had a hammer as well and a bigger one and I was facing him the big coward went back to his van and drove away. Regarding the skinny weasel in the video, I don't think a big hammer would have been neccesary, just getting out would have been enough to make him think twice. Nine times out of ten cowardly bullys back down when faced.

i used to live in that area, that junction is absolutely awful, no one has a clue what’s going on and the vast majority of time it’s utter bedlam

Agree with Ashley, we have all made hand gestures and then instantly regretted it but this audi driver takes it to another level

At double mini-roundabouts treat each roundabout separately and give way to traffic from the right. Multiple roundabouts. At some complex junctions, there may be a series of mini-roundabouts at each intersection. Treat each mini-roundabout separately and follow the normal rules.

I made a mistake yesterday. I used the correct right lane to go straight on at the roundabout but the roundabout to turn right was grid locked. I stopped behind the traffic, I checked my mirrors and looked through my rear port hole window. I moved slightly to go into the left lane and heard a horn to which I instantly stopped when I heard it. A guy appeared next to me with both his fingers stuck up and shouted some foul words. I hadn't gone into the lane but I'm more bothered that I didn't see him and for the life of me I don't know where he came from. The only thing I can think is that the 3 door Aygo has very small rear passenger windows and he was behind the rear pillar when I checked my blind spot, which obviously wasn't enough. There was quite a long delay before he appeared next to my car, so it could also be possible he was a way off but was "telling me off" for changing my mind despite the fact I would have been moving into the left lane anyway once I'd passed the junction as he obviously used the left lane which is marked left turns only and he went straight on. I think next time I find myself in that situation I think I'll just wait till the traffic blocking the roundabout moves as visibility isn't great in my car.

I had something similar, but as a cyclist. I was cycling in a 20 zone and driver kept honking at me even though there was no room for him to pass. Even if I pulled right to the side of parked cars, there was no way he could fit. I gave him the finger and he was really triggered by that. The car driver was really threatening me by driving up to the back of my bike and when he could pass, he nearly knocked me completely off my bike cutting me up. I had to swerve hard to avoid his car.

He needs to be brought to justice. Thats just wrong, luckily he cane across someone nice, ypu come across the wrong person, anything but nice

Yesterday I was thinking of getting a rearview cam as I already have a dashcam. Decided not to...After watching this video again on the lookout for one.

I live in Poynton and that roundabout causes no end of grief from drivers who dither to those that just fly over it regardless of priority.

I've had people try to follow me home before, but I know the area well enough and just drive around in circles until they give up.

1: Don't do hand gestures. 2: "Ok google, navigate to the nearest police station" 3: Get away like this guy did mostly. 4: Call the police. I was 'chased' once but managed to keep it moving so there was no chance for the loon to "get out" of their vehicle. They nearly tail-gate followed me into the police station's car park, but then drove off quickly when they noticed where we were going.

I (not from UK) came across one of those "double" roundabouts on a trip to the UK and was totally stumped by what I must do. We never had those in my old country (S.Africa) nor in the Netherlands; I have driven across Australia and never seen them there either. If I was designing that road I would have placed one large oval roundabout that foreigners would understand.

Ashley’s favourite mantra is “Try not to increase risk”. I’ve given up hand gestures in an aggressive manner. Shaking my head is my “go to”. Not perfect by any means, but possibly better than fingers?

I go through that junction all the time, it’s not the first time I’ve seen something bad go on but never seen anything like that… some right people about 🤷‍♀️

Many years ago I had a similar situation (well before dashcams) I was driving a rather crappy Ford Sierra estate and the knobhead that got out and started kicking my door left his door wide open. Well I only had one route out of the situation.......

I'm off the mind that if the threat is still there after I diffuse and leave the first time, the second time ends with the threat being physically put down. I won't be bullied into fleeing by a random bloke and no one else should have to wonder about such people pursuing them home.