Racing Without Charters: How Do NASCAR’s Independent Teams Do It? Carl Long & BJ McLeod Tell Us

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When talking about the big business of Cup charters this week on the Download, Dale Jr. said something that struck us. He wondered how realistic it is in today’s NASCAR to be an open, unchartered team and financially be able to break even. So, we wanted to find out - how do independent, non-chartered Cup teams make it (both financially and competitively) in today’s NASCAR?
Host Carla Gebhart is joined by Jordan Bianchi from Dirty Mo Media’s The Teardown podcast to ask that very question to MBM Motorsports owner Carl Long and Cup Series owner/driver BJ McLeod, who now races as an open team after selling his charter. How do they select their races and approach each weekend, and how does that fit into a system that favors large chartered teams like Hendrick Motorsports or Joe Gibbs Racing?
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11 апр 2024

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Комментарии : 67

@Aaron25thinfantry Месяц назад

Everyone lost their way. Corporate Greed has taken over everything

@roberthevern6169 Месяц назад

Capitalism rewards greed. It is a flawed system, but it's all we have. As past bosses have asked me, 'come to the table with a solution alternative to the issue which is brought up' ... TL:Dr But at least I made an effort for the sport for which I have a passion.

@dedo7326 Месяц назад

If we could go back to having cars being metal and get 1 big sponsor for a whole year on each on each car (for the most part) not this every other race different sponsor. hire drivers based on skill not the sponsor money they bring the sport would instantly get better. Quit doing a copy paste plastic car that can’t be messed with get rid of the pay drivers and hire based on skill. That would get rid of most of the truck problem for sure and that would only trickle up. So it would ween out the deegans cindric dillions and all those other ones the sport would be awesome. But unfortunately we have a bunch of drivers who pay for a seat with cars that look the same with no real distinction between teams it’s bad and hopefully this is the worst before it gets better part and nascar starts to change.

@joshbaker6488 Месяц назад

That and morals went out the window years ago doing the right thing is almost condemned anymore...

@TomLehockySVK Месяц назад

Big respect for all the independent drivers who ever were and still are in the sport today, wish there was something better for them on the financial-side because the underdogs succeeding is always amazing to see.

@bluedog373 Месяц назад

Been working on race cars for 50 years. Indy cars, Cup series, Dirt tracks. More than happy to be a stooge or whatever Carl needs on race weekends. Nobody will steal me. I have always been the little guy.

@gychristensen Месяц назад

I was so excited when B.J. got to 3rd in the dual at Daytona. My buddy and I were definitely cheering him on

@jayer-su3hu Месяц назад

Wow that was a cool chat with Carl. I absolutely STILL TO THIS DAY hate nascar for trying to run him out of the sport over a worn out motor saying he was running one that was measuring over the allowed 358 cid (at the time) but it was just simply worn out. It hadn't been bored to that size on purpose. Ridiculous. I ALWAYS pull for the smaller/underdog teams. Sadly they just don't have the $$ to compete anywhere near the mid pavk or front running teams

@roberthevern6169 Месяц назад

Hate is such an extreme word. I liked your comment, after I read the whole thing, however, as a 69 yr old, maybe measure your word choice to reduce the tone a level or so. Thanks Fan of Sr & Jr, and DirtyMoMedia!

@sethcarlisle7330 Месяц назад

@@roberthevern6169OH gosh, you're not ready to comment on RU-vid. You're not ready for this.

@user-bu8bc6kg4f Месяц назад

What happened to his huge fine?

@justinschultz4325 Месяц назад

Carl is both real and hilarious. Thanks guys. "AssOmeter"

@chrisbarrettFilmstudio Месяц назад

The Charter system is broken. Just Imagine Nascar telling Alan Kulwicki in 1991 that he would have to 20 million on a charter to race fulltime in 1992? No you can't. The independents have always been a backbone of NASCAR and have always made for the best underdog moments

@antoniestrada1972 Месяц назад

You can still race a full season You're just going to get less purse money Yeah the independents are unique to nascar but how many independent backmarkers have we seen just getting the way or start and park. This independent guys can barely be a j.d McDuffie type

@chrisbarrettFilmstudio Месяц назад

@@antoniestrada1972 I mean now they just get in the way because everything is identical. But back in the day and even up right before the charter system those start and park teams would buy most of their equipment from better teams. Like Dave Marcus got a lot of help from the pettys and Dale Earnhardt just because they were all friends and they wanted to help the guy out. Hell I heard a story that Dave told about how just for testing the car for Dale he would get the tires that he tested on and if Dale got the pole and received a free pair those would be given too. But now since every team is running the same tech, same equipment with some minor variations it doesn’t really matter who you get it from.

@roberthevern6169 Месяц назад

I went to Sonoma in '94, and recall Carl was in the then South West Tour (?) supporting the Cup event! Good to see how he picks events where he has the highest likelihood of recovering his expenses from. A dedicated racer from way back! Congrats to Carl, and BJ, and wish these 'backbone of the sport' racers continued success!! Dale Sr won the Cup event I attended after he passed Mark Martin in the final laps in a sharp inside corner where he said he had 'smelled oil' on the track! My buddy and I were elated about his win, as it was, as they say, very dramatic!! Great piece!

@roberthevern6169 Месяц назад

Great post, Carla and Jordan! If I could make a constructive criticism, I, as an old guy, I. don't always recall some of the younger faces at DirtyMo, maybe as I have seen other YTers, can the names be shown in small font somewhere. I will search them out, but it could be less of an issue....just fine tuning an otherwise excellent product! Thanks for hearin... oh no the chest pains are beginning....heart atta ....JK..... PS as a print journalist, no doubt Jordan is familiar with proofreading, which I always atrempt as a dedicated keyboard warr...'gladiator'!!!

@georgejones5960 Месяц назад

Kudos to the independent teams and thank you guys for racing, unfortunate that NASCAR has made it a money thing but again exactly why I don't watch it anymore with the control they have in the racing game!

@kevinhenry7273 Месяц назад

I think JRM should try going this route, before they invest in $40+ million in a charter. Especially since it is unknown what Chevrolet will have to race in a year or two.

@johnhaas2523 Месяц назад

Jrm won't because It's not financially smart to try to race without a charter

@roberthevern6169 Месяц назад

And Kelley does not make wrong business decisions!!

@cameronmanicone Месяц назад

Hey idk how to get this question out there but, with the expense of the car is is actually more viable to do a non charter cup team rather than an Arca or LMS Cars Tour team I know the pay outs are different. I just wanna know what can be done to build these other series so they can grow besides being feeders to cup

@oregonborn9769 Месяц назад

Idk where to ask lol but can we get rudd back on the show. That was still my fave episode rudd is amazing

@charliewhite3992 Месяц назад

That assometer is a great computer I don't like the fact that the charter teams race for a different purse than the independent teams and that ain't right

@roberthevern6169 Месяц назад

But, the 'assometer' isn't able to process the many variables as fast as the teams need. But, I definitely know the feeling one has in their 'a**' when one is low in the seat and is a part of machine!!

@tcmusic6429 Месяц назад

Start and park teams weren’t there to actively compete. They were there to drive a handful of laps and cash a paycheck. Clearly you don’t understand the economics and ethics of this sport.

@charliewhite3992 Месяц назад

@@tcmusic6429 they put a stop to that along time ago they have 2 different purses and like BJ said sometimes he got lucky and missed the wrecks and say finish 10th he wouldn't get the same money as a chartered car would get for the same position it should be the same period that's why they can't get full fields of cars anymore cause the purse doesn't pay

@tcmusic6429 Месяц назад

@@charliewhite3992 I’m well aware they put a stop to that with the creation of the charters….. I see reading comprehension isn’t your strongest attribute.

@tcmusic6429 Месяц назад

@@charliewhite3992 you’re highly uneducated 😂

@chris_michael_s Месяц назад

Anyone know why he isn’t on the starting lineup for Texas? Only 38 cars In qualifying. Thought he drove to Texas but no mention of him?

@-SkyCat- Месяц назад

I'd sell my charters in Nascar if i had them.. then go to IMSA GT racing is growing.

@gailtaylor1636 Месяц назад

Can't disagree.

@roberthevern6169 Месяц назад

And race against Jordan Taylor, Ricky Taylor and Wayne Taylor Racing! You should look up the DJD episode that Jordan Taylor was on!! It is hilarious!!

@DOHCKSeries Месяц назад

❤

@Lord_of_Pie Месяц назад

Walmart should sponsor Carl now

@chris_michael_s Месяц назад

Walmart blows me

@genelong1748 Месяц назад

SHR, see 2 charters for sale

@roberthevern6169 Месяц назад

I have a couple bucks, if it helps. The Green Bay Packers have been crowd owned forever and they have done pretty well all these decades....

@JJj-sb5pz Месяц назад

What happened to Steve and the professor???

@NASCARFAN4EVER Месяц назад

Which Teams do You think will Sell Charters?

@mountainmandale1587 Месяц назад

Stewart Haas is most likely.

@TheTheratfarmer Месяц назад

Camera angles. This Jimmy Johnson full in car cam, I see all logos.

@travisrickett5681 Месяц назад

There's no way in hell I would buy a Nascar Charter right now

@user-if8if9of2e Месяц назад

I hear the word guarantee a lot and there is nothing guaranteed in life.. Small teams are what made nascar back in the day. There would be no Alan K today….

@TechnikMeister2 Месяц назад

Theoretically having all the same cars and tyres, should mean that an independent team should be able to be competitive if they can gain sponsorship. There should be no charters, but a simple limit of cars on the track after qualifying. But the three big teams have Nascar by the balls. They run it now. And they will do anything to stop an up and coming team from being competitive. They try to steal their mechanics, drivers and crew chiefs. They try to restrict the supply of spares because they own the production of them. Its a cabal of mafia like groups that call the shots. And it breeds processions and dodgy team tactics on the track. And if left, it will kill the sport.

@TroySteele17 Месяц назад

Dale Jr is starting a Cup open team b4 he buys a charter?? #88

@johnhaas2523 Месяц назад

Hahahaha no

@TheTheratfarmer Месяц назад

Sure, we can survive with help from that want that sponsor ship.

@dannydean3024 Месяц назад

The “new car” will make NASCAR affordable. Yep we knew that was a lie

@keithlaub7964 Месяц назад

Damn shame

@SergeantMassonFan Месяц назад

I Call BS,How Did He Expect To Improve The Finishing Position Of The Team When He Hired Josh Williams On Road Courses Who Is Slow

@deantait8326 Месяц назад

Charters suck, The old “winners-circle” program helped the full time teams and helped keep the sport fun …

@jerf8338 Месяц назад

The two guys you have on the show they sound like everything is scripted! Boring . Rather just listen to jr and his other download.

@dannyruckert9359 Месяц назад

It's Dale's content. I respect it. BUT Hate The New Interveiwers, and content. THEY ARE AROGANT. DON'T KNOW, AND DON'T CARE! I'll have to unsubscribe again.

@JohnnyWinters-ok7ix Месяц назад

Nascar went from a good ole boy sport to a rich man's game. That's exactly why I stopped watching it.

@thetruth1446 Месяц назад

We need a new Stock Car series, NASCAR sold out to corporate greed! Super Late Models on Dirt is a good alternative but asphalt would be nice

@user-bt8vn3dj6o Месяц назад

The "charter system" is a click!

@bluegrassboy2448 Месяц назад

Is the charter system good for the future of NASCAR? No, no it's not

@antoniestrada1972 Месяц назад

Fundamentally the charter system is to incentivize teams to perform.

@jackhoffmann8646 Месяц назад

Nascar doesn't want them to survive so they can make more money on Charters

@johnhaas2523 Месяц назад

Unless nascar takes a charter and then sell it they don't make anything form Charters

@guiltyifudnthavemnybuyinnocent Месяц назад

If I had the millions to be a race car driver I would drive a race car in first place every time if you not first you last and if you last you not first.

@roberthevern6169 Месяц назад

Say what???

@tcmusic6429 Месяц назад

Do yourself a favor and go back to elementary school.