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Rafale! - an unusual perspective - The Delta Wing - Canard Fighter (no Gripen here) 

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The Rafale is probably the epitome of modern delta canard fighters. Designed for air combat and air to ground, it is a modern and effective combat aircraft.
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@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 года назад
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@sorryociffer
@sorryociffer 4 года назад
Two seater Rafale is one of the prettiest planes flying.....
@williamtell1477
@williamtell1477 4 года назад
Very interesting! I have to admit having been quite uneducated about these European planes before this series on delta + canards. Learning a ton with each one of these videos. Great channel!
@yumyum7309
@yumyum7309 4 года назад
Greatings from French navy! Salutations, et.... Vive les baguettes !! 😜🥖 I love your videos, keep going!
@bastadimasta
@bastadimasta 3 года назад
Hi baguettes. Can you please stay away from the Eastern Mediterranean.
@PrecisionFox
@PrecisionFox 4 года назад
Very happy to see a video about my country's plane with so much informations. I love your channel, thank you for what you do for us, the poor grounded ones.
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 года назад
Thanks! I am grounded too, to be honest, but I spent some time of my life near those who are not.
@afterburner94
@afterburner94 4 года назад
You did my country proud with the obligatory baguette at the beginning. Qualify channel for sure. 😎
@trespire
@trespire 4 года назад
@afterburner94 Freshly baked air to ground Baquette Mk II , hits the spot :-)
@Raptorman0909
@Raptorman0909 4 года назад
The Exocet has been one of the most impressive anti-ship missiles ever made as both the British and American navies can attest. The Rafale is, along with the F-16, one of the most attractive fighters of the modern era. No question but that the French no how to build impressive things!
@ying69yang78
@ying69yang78 4 года назад
@Drew Peacock our missiles should never have hit british ships
@ying69yang78
@ying69yang78 4 года назад
@Drew Peacock hi yes :)
@jukahri
@jukahri 3 года назад
​@@ying69yang78 That's not how it works. Unless you are the only one with a specific technology, and obviously France isn't the only country exporting anti-ship missiles, there is no sense in not selling weapons. If we don't, the Russians will, and it's common sense that, if allied lives are going to be lost anyway, it's better that we benefit from the sales rather than Russia, at least there is a level of damage mitigation going on.
@ying69yang78
@ying69yang78 3 года назад
@@jukahri also :)
@camembertdalembert6323
@camembertdalembert6323 2 года назад
@@ying69yang78 it's not "our" missiles anymore if we sell it. and btw, british also sell missiles.
@georgem4713
@georgem4713 4 года назад
I am sure that a lot of people have seen and noticed that the planes seen at 5:34 are actually Mirage 2000( the 2seater is probably a D variant ). Anyway thank you Millennium 7* for your time and effort to produce so high quality videos.
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 года назад
There is a Rafale too 😉
@Ellesmere888
@Ellesmere888 4 года назад
Thank you sir. You convey a lot of pertinent and interesting information in your presentations. Well done !
@lgtavs
@lgtavs 4 года назад
Bellissimo video come sempre. Spero tu possa diventare un punto di riferimento per gli appassionati di tecnologia aerospaziale, i tuoi contenuti lo meritano.
@manassurya2019
@manassurya2019 3 года назад
You can't beat the french in designing delta wing aircraft.
@flygtur7784
@flygtur7784 3 года назад
Yeah with j35 Draken and j39 Gripen
@Samy-bu1ze
@Samy-bu1ze 4 месяца назад
​@@flygtur7784 both less capables so sorry no
@Jon.A.Scholt
@Jon.A.Scholt Год назад
As much as I love the F-18 for it's versatility and capability, it would be awesome to see Rafales flying off US flattops; and I don't just mean when the French Navy is doing international/interservice training on US carriers. The Rafale is just so pretty and has shown to have the multi role capability required.
@rpm1796
@rpm1796 4 года назад
Superior analysis...well presented.
@abhishekdwivedi1692
@abhishekdwivedi1692 4 года назад
Presentation is excellent.
@thomasbessis2809
@thomasbessis2809 4 года назад
Excellent informative video, what an aircraft! I like the format, would you consider making more of these specific aircraft focused series?
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 года назад
There is the second part about the Rafale coming and currently there is another delta canard on the list. If the public likes it, I will surely do more.
@Grantallica
@Grantallica 4 года назад
I'd love to see videos like this on Sukhoi jets!
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 года назад
VGood idea, I'll consider that. Info is less accessible, though.
@marcrousseau3733
@marcrousseau3733 Год назад
Le Rafale: Avion de 4ième génération qui surclasse quasiment tout les avions de 5ième génération. Qui, grâce au standard F5 qui arrive bientôt, ainsi que le standard F6 qui est dans les tiroirs de la DGA, le Rafale s'approche alors, de l'avion de 6ième génération.
@honeybadgerbomb4469
@honeybadgerbomb4469 4 месяца назад
The Rafale, the underestimated jet fighter that punches up and beyond her generation
@EchoCharlieChaplin
@EchoCharlieChaplin 4 года назад
As always, top notch video
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 года назад
Way too kind. What is the best thing of the video, for you?
@EchoCharlieChaplin
@EchoCharlieChaplin 4 года назад
​@@Millennium7HistoryTech Primarily, the fact that you focus on delivering quality information first and don't get bogged down with fancy animations. For example, transmitting information with a simple pen and paper works great. I also appreciate that you don't pack everything into a single video. Segmenting and creating anticipation for the next video works well also. All in all, very glad to have found your channel. Good job.
@ernestoescudero1524
@ernestoescudero1524 4 года назад
Thank you so much for your technical expertise and time you put on all your videos, they are very detailed and amazing. Can you please make one about the turn rate of different fighter planes and the way they bite the air ( canards vs conventional tail) , please!
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 года назад
Good suggestion. It may be the subject of a video.
@michaeld1170
@michaeld1170 4 года назад
Great videos. But If I may. Thrust to weight ratio from empty weight to maximum take off weight. Rafale C: 1.49 - 0.62 F-35A: 1.48 - 0.61 Rafale M 1.45 - 0.62 F-35C 1.24 - 0.61 Its important to note that T/W ratio is a very incomplete variable. Aero engineers use a more useful metric called specific excess power which is: (T/W-D/W)V The F-35 with it's internal weapon's bays are excellent in this metric as internal weapons add no drag at all. I'm not saying the F-35 is better or worse. I just wanted to add a few things that some people may find interesting. Liked and subscribed
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 года назад
Good consideration, thanks!
@ghostindamachine
@ghostindamachine 4 года назад
Top!
@rajatdas3534
@rajatdas3534 4 года назад
Sir Do you have any information about Active Noice Cancelation technology in Rafale ?
@JoeRafferty0
@JoeRafferty0 4 года назад
Fantastic, id love to see some content from you about the Eurofighter too!
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 года назад
Noted!
@JoeRafferty0
@JoeRafferty0 4 года назад
@@Millennium7HistoryTech haha thanks, I had too given the recent post. That said, all your content is fantastic. Great work :)
@sanjaynsaigal
@sanjaynsaigal 4 года назад
Pl make a detailed video about Conformal Vs drop tanks . Also since Conformal tank is above delta wing isn't it a hazardous?
@Merlig22
@Merlig22 Год назад
Encore une vidéo très intéressante. Merci à vous. En plus, votre accent est facilement compréhensible. ; ))
@smurug85
@smurug85 4 года назад
Hello Sir, I am from India. Your videos are so good. Sir, I wish you get more subscribers, I have an idea for that. Please make an analysis of Indian fighter jet called LCA Tejas. I promise you, you will get lots of Views and Subscribers.
@pravirchandragadkari88
@pravirchandragadkari88 4 года назад
It is time for world to recognise nimble agile highly maneuverable unstable but potent LCA tejas .
@hansmeyer7225
@hansmeyer7225 4 года назад
😂😂😂😂
@bhramosss7604
@bhramosss7604 4 года назад
You are right, the most views he got so far is on Tejas
@ankurd2889
@ankurd2889 Год назад
what an opening...😀
@tommarquez1980
@tommarquez1980 4 года назад
Could you please make a video about the Exocet missile? How does it differ from other missiles?
@user-ho5tj6nx9k
@user-ho5tj6nx9k 4 года назад
Love from India ❤️
@richardrobinson4869
@richardrobinson4869 4 года назад
Good video thanks. Do you have any interest in infantry tactics and equipment?What i was thinking of is modern battlefield communications and imaging systems, countermeasures and counter countermeasures. Also could you do a video on SEAD supression of enemy air defences and countermeasures to SEAD. Perhaps you have touched on this before?
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 года назад
The channel is about military history and technology and I think it is a fascinating subject. However, editorially, 2020 will still be focused on aerospace. SEAD is on the list as a subject to cover, though. Next video coming out has a section about this. Thanks!
@iamscoutstfu
@iamscoutstfu 2 года назад
"Apache" is inflected the same way as French "attaché" great video~
@jsthereforfun1648
@jsthereforfun1648 4 года назад
Hope that India buy more Rafale mmrca 2.0 tendor
@arkadeepkundu4729
@arkadeepkundu4729 4 года назад
Discusses French aircraft 0:39 *Shows baguettes* *Aah, I see you too are a man of culture*
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 года назад
😒😁😁🤪
@user-ib5hx3ne3r
@user-ib5hx3ne3r Год назад
You said in the video that Rafale can supercruise at mach 1.4 in clean config,but I read in a post of Rafale it shows this aircraft can supercruise with 4 missiles and a belly drop tank.People just doubt the ability of 2 m88,it seems not possible to supercruise with all that weapen.What do you think about this Sir?
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech Год назад
That you never know what the truth is until the aircraft is obsolete and fully decommissioned.
@janloncaric3621
@janloncaric3621 Год назад
Rafale can be a tanker also like the F18, but I didn't see it
@DecalageChope
@DecalageChope Год назад
Yes it is the "nounou" configuration with NARANG supply pod. assets.meretmarine.com/s3fs-public/images/2021-07/nounou.jpg rafalefan.e-monsite.com/medias/images/ravito-2.jpg
@MrFarnanonical
@MrFarnanonical 3 года назад
9:16 until the Aim 260 goes into service!
@mikewoodman2872
@mikewoodman2872 4 года назад
You're so cool ;)
@wmsavana325
@wmsavana325 3 года назад
A good choice for the nuclear delivery role.after being occupied in world War 2 France will draw blood.with fighter to fighter refuling pods then the nuclear equipped missile nukes your air defense, and that's just thier first punch.
@ThroatSore
@ThroatSore 3 года назад
Joke at the beginning? He has that in the Bagette.
@stephanregenass2411
@stephanregenass2411 Год назад
A great F/A Bird.
@raphaelmeulebroeck3593
@raphaelmeulebroeck3593 4 года назад
Waarom niet in de Franse taal
@mortified776
@mortified776 3 года назад
00:39 Those better be fresh or the commissaire will confiscate your beret!
@Fabio-om4kb
@Fabio-om4kb 4 года назад
Not multi-rôle but omni-rôle plateforme 👍 and standard f1, f2, f3, f3R and f4.
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 года назад
Thanks for pointing out!
@Fabio-om4kb
@Fabio-om4kb 4 года назад
​@@Millennium7HistoryTech thank you for your videos :D
@Mungobohne1
@Mungobohne1 4 года назад
He even used this proprietary word
@hansmeyer7225
@hansmeyer7225 4 года назад
OSSUS MAXXIMUS well it’s like 5th generation. It’s all about marketing
@philv3941
@philv3941 3 года назад
@@Mungobohne1 but it has a reason : multi for "some roles by the same aircraft, frequently only one or two roles at the time and in the same mission" , omni : all the possible roles by the same plane, even nukes one, and most of them during the same flight. Being able to complete very different missions in the se flight without ground interventions was a huge job for dassault as far as i know from distant relations ( i leave not far from the factory, knowing someone engeneering around the supports of loads)
@Real_Claudy_Focan
@Real_Claudy_Focan Год назад
Quick info (up to date) Rafale F4 being delivered as i write this comment !
@ilmari9120
@ilmari9120 3 года назад
80M dllrs is expensive?
@tomdtom5407
@tomdtom5407 4 года назад
Conformal fuel tanks in Rafale? Since when?
@Karl-Benny
@Karl-Benny 4 года назад
@@neage59 The Rafale has no HMD
@neage59
@neage59 4 года назад
@@Karl-Benny Indian and Qatari pilots use Targo II HMD on Rafale.
@jeanvaljean9293
@jeanvaljean9293 4 года назад
The rafale has CFT, it was tested long ago but the AdA never order it. www.reddit.com/r/WarplanePorn/comments/8bz9ls/dassault_rafale_seen_with_conformal_fueltanks/
@DecalageChope
@DecalageChope Год назад
@@neage59 There will also be the Scorpion HMD which will be released with the Rafale F4.
@rajaasadmujtaba6131
@rajaasadmujtaba6131 4 года назад
Do a video on jf17 too
@Karl-Benny
@Karl-Benny 4 года назад
The Rafale has no HMD
@jeanvaljean9293
@jeanvaljean9293 4 года назад
the French rafale has no HMD but will get it soon. Export version can have it if asked.
@lordtemplar9274
@lordtemplar9274 3 года назад
Qatar and India's Rafale are already equipped with HMD. The French Rafale are not yet, although they will be in just over a year when Rafale is upgraded to F4.1
@philv3941
@philv3941 3 года назад
Yes since F3R as an option, in standard in F4.
@jaspalmaina
@jaspalmaina 4 года назад
Which better.. Rafale or Grippen?
@jomo3564
@jomo3564 4 года назад
Grippen can't compete against Rafale. Rafale is the best jet fighter in activity.
@jaspalmaina
@jaspalmaina 4 года назад
@@jomo3564 in air to air mode How Rafale is better than Grippen?
@Fabio-om4kb
@Fabio-om4kb 4 года назад
@@jaspalmaina si vous êtes sur de vous pourquoi poser la question.
@neage59
@neage59 4 года назад
​@@jaspalmaina Better radar, better EW suite, more stealthy, etc... Gripen is made for defense, so its capabilities are limited if there is no aircraft like AWACS or GlobalEye, because it has a small radar's range. It's why SAAB also proposed GlobalEye with its Gripen NG for Finland, to stay competitive with other aircrafts.
@CallsignJoNay
@CallsignJoNay 4 года назад
Dollar for dollar, Gripen.
@wajidulhaque3354
@wajidulhaque3354 4 года назад
M watching this from India bcoz our government buy this plane from France
@deeacosta2734
@deeacosta2734 Год назад
#BAE
@petersellers9219
@petersellers9219 4 года назад
10:45 Autonomously.... Now that makes sense. How could a cannon fire a tonne of muesli? 😀
@jeanvaljean9293
@jeanvaljean9293 4 года назад
no it means that the canon you look the taget without having to move the nose of the plane to an exact point. something very late WWII planes had.
@petersellers9219
@petersellers9219 4 года назад
@@jeanvaljean9293 that's pretty cool.
@atlet1
@atlet1 4 года назад
Not correct! Supercruise is flying supersonic a useful range with a useful weapons load. Gripen do this at M1.2+ with 6missiles and centertank. If Rafale can supercruise, it's slower. Gripen E MTOW is 165000 kg.
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 года назад
I found Gripen 1.1M with 6 missiles and a tank, Rafale 1.4M in similar configuration. Do you have a reference?
@atlet1
@atlet1 4 года назад
@@Millennium7HistoryTech Company test pilot Magnus Ljungdahl says the aircraft was flown to a speed of more than Mach 1.2 at 28,000ft (8,540m) above the Baltic Sea, and adds: "Without using afterburner I maintained the same speed until I ran out of test area." The sortie was conducted from Saab's Linköping test centre. Saab says the supercruise event forms part of a test campaign that will see the Gripen Demo (pictured below during an earlier test flight) flown at supersonic speeds carrying a variety of loads.
@atlet1
@atlet1 4 года назад
@@Millennium7HistoryTech 1.1 is for Gripen C.
@atlet1
@atlet1 4 года назад
@RogerPierre where can we check that statement? Gripen have never measured the distance it can supercruize. So we don't know about distance, but maybe we can know about speed.
@almmax9194
@almmax9194 2 года назад
@@atlet1 le grippen peut aller et doit aller plus vite pour fuir le rafale au combat
@pgramanan4461
@pgramanan4461 4 года назад
It is not fair to compare a single engine aircraft with two engine aircraft.
@bluefeather2889
@bluefeather2889 4 года назад
why dont they teach maths like that
@Millennium7HistoryTech
@Millennium7HistoryTech 4 года назад
Thanks, but math is more difficult...
@moistboi4980
@moistboi4980 Год назад
Is it just me or rafale looks like it has chiseled face
@alexmendoza9394
@alexmendoza9394 4 года назад
To defeat these aircrafts - All that the smaller countries need to do is to develop SAM which is 100 times less expensive.
@philv3941
@philv3941 3 года назад
The first step is to explose those missiles in the ground, and their radars stations far before the planes are on the zone. You still cant count on on-board counter measures to get them useless. For now, zero Rafales has been destroyed or under direct threat by this kind of ground-air missiles.
@alexmendoza9394
@alexmendoza9394 3 года назад
@Philippe V : not with a 3 layers of defense: Early warning (300 - 500 miles), then over the horizon defense up to 75 miles ... then a tactical one (short range). All 3 Still cost less than a squadron.
@killingfields1424
@killingfields1424 4 года назад
theres only one problem...... Gripens
@lordtemplar9274
@lordtemplar9274 3 года назад
Not really. During Swiss evaluation tests (available on the web because they were leaked) the Gripen had the worst score in all categories. In 2nd came the Typhoon and Rafale scored best across all evaluation tests. The gap in scores between Rafale and Gripen was significant. Nice try
@killingfields1424
@killingfields1424 3 года назад
@@lordtemplar9274 I dont doubt the Rafale in any combat situations.
@bastadimasta
@bastadimasta 3 года назад
Sexiest frontal aspect amongst the fighter jets but its rear is ugly as Clio
@killingfields1424
@killingfields1424 3 года назад
No issues with Rafale. Its just too expensive and only designed for french weaponry also too expensive and scarce to find
@Samy-bu1ze
@Samy-bu1ze 4 месяца назад
So wrong
@Laurence0227
@Laurence0227 4 года назад
Is he French?
@hansmeyer7225
@hansmeyer7225 4 года назад
Laurence0227 does he sound French?
@Laurence0227
@Laurence0227 4 года назад
Hans Meyer I don’t know but his french pronunciation seem fine, I realfy don’t know his accent
@hansmeyer7225
@hansmeyer7225 4 года назад
Laurence0227 Sounds Italian to me 🤷‍♂️
@glennridsdale577
@glennridsdale577 4 года назад
Rafale is certainly an excellent aircraft. But please stop claiming "roughly the same as the Eurofighter" when it isn't true. Rafale's longer range (which hasn't been required by any Typhoon customer, by the way) comes from its larger external tanks and SIGNIFICANTLY (10%) lower T/W ratio. Likewise, Mach 1.4 is significantly lower than Typhoon's Mach 1.6 super cruise speed. Fighter design is about compromises: Bloch simply made slightly different compromises to the teams at BAe, MBB, Aeritalia and CASA, because the Panavia partners already had an outstanding long range strike fighter in Tornado, while France really did not.
@LZE.
@LZE. 4 года назад
He lost me at the beginning where he failed to mention the British EAP (conceived way back in the late 70's) and the French involvement with the Eurofighter programme (which they left and built Rafale). "Roughly the same" as in "Eurofighter copy".
@MessInMines
@MessInMines 4 года назад
​@@LZE. It isn't a "copy" of the Eurofighter at all. A lot of basic design choices had already been made before France left the Eurofighter program. They both came from the same basic design, but then they took different paths. They are very different in many ways. Just because they both have delta wings with canards, two engines, and are similar in weight doesn't mean they are the same. They were made at the same time, so there is no way one is a copy of the other. Also don't forget that the Rafale flew before the Eurofighter, which means that it was ahead in development.
@Fabio-om4kb
@Fabio-om4kb 4 года назад
@@MessInMines merci de rétablir la vérité, les mensonges sont tellement plus faciles.
@antoinehuguet5105
@antoinehuguet5105 4 года назад
@@MessInMines thank you ! Some people tried to rewrite history then they saw that rafale is a great success and has better performances than eurofighter.
@Fabio-om4kb
@Fabio-om4kb 4 года назад
Ceci dit faut avoir de la merde dans les yeux pour avancer ca ou jalousie ou troll faites votre choix
@alrightalrightalright-
@alrightalrightalright- 4 года назад
Why do u keep comparing them to f35s , they wore never designed to do what the rafale can do it was designed to do what the regale can't do like be stealthy n shit
@premks
@premks 4 года назад
This is amazing yourself not the Rafael. Too much talking .
@Fabio-om4kb
@Fabio-om4kb 4 года назад
Rafale...
@matthewbaynham6286
@matthewbaynham6286 4 года назад
13:40 British ships were on the receiving end of those missiles. However Argentine was flying over 200 French aircraft Dassault Mirage and they lost the air war to 20 British Harriers, being beaten 10 to 1 is not good. Probably best off not putting that in the sales material for any French fighter aircraft.
@neage59
@neage59 4 года назад
Argentina had 21 Mirage III, and French Air Force told to British pilots how to fight Mirage III. It's why during the war, no British aircraft flew at high altitude.
@philv3941
@philv3941 3 года назад
200, lol. 20 is closer
@gglehteswhtemnAdChrstns
@gglehteswhtemnAdChrstns Год назад
Damn they are sexy planes. The Australian ADF always loved French technology. Only problem is that their support standard is worse than the worst. E.g. we converted to their attack Eurocopter helicopter. Almost all were grounded within 6 months due to a multitude of defects. The biggest joke is that years later many are still grounded due to the cabin filling with CO2 and smoke. This was found to be a defective a/c hose that Australian pilots figured out from investigations. Licensing requirements would not allow us to repair them and 5 years later more than half the fleet are still grounded. Even the French politicians had enough so we are upgrading to Apaches with the Viper/Cobra and Mongoose as a backup. This bad support reputation is the biggest reason why Aus cancelled the submarine contract. The French deserved it due to their blatant arrogance.
@cheesefrogsnail
@cheesefrogsnail Год назад
Hello, you are referring to the NH90 I suppose, do you know the main reason why this helicopter is a piece of junk, in france also?
@atlet1
@atlet1 2 года назад
Not correct facts! Gripen E supercruise in M 1,2+ with 6 missiles and center tank. It's a little slower than M1.4. but with weapons and center tank, Rafale will be slower yet. So facts show us that Gripen E have quicker super cruise than Rafale. T/W with fuel for 1000 km and 1000 kg of weapons is 0.91 for Gripen E and 0.81for Rafale. Facts: Gripen E have higher T/W than Rafale in AA combat. Given the lower drag of Gripen and the fact that nominal power - drag=available power give the fact: Gripen E have substantial better available T/W available for combat and interception, than Rafale.
@almmax9194
@almmax9194 2 года назад
Donc le grippen est fait pour faire la course pas pour la guerre
@atlet1
@atlet1 2 года назад
@@almmax9194 I don't understand French.
@almmax9194
@almmax9194 2 года назад
@@atlet1 for race it is better than the rafale👍
@patolt1628
@patolt1628 2 года назад
Do you know that there are more people that understand English than just native speakers from the anglo-saxon world? So a lot of people can watch your videos, including the French who are tired of French bashing and its corollaries. This being said what do you mean with your picture of French "baguettes" as an introduction to a subject related to a French aircraft? I presume you try to be witty but it's just a joke in poor taste. What would you have shown if you were talking about a German product for instance? Interesting question, isn't it? So I stop here, it's not worth going any further.
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