if i cared about lots of mechanics and precise execution id play fighting games or rts not wow. hell even arena is more fun than pve with a million mechanics
As a vanilla mage I kinda loved MC. I could chat with people in the guild channels, could eat, talk to people around and still do perfect numbers. Even BWL had its charm. From that point on though it became less and less a "stand and hit" thing and instead it was a "do rotations, move there, press that, do this and then that and jump there and whatnot", fergedsakes Blizzard, this is NOT an arcade. It's a CRPG.
@@PhilipAlexanderHassialis They trying to copy ff14 where instead of being able to learn anything intuitively you need to read an essay or watch videos to memorize/spoil the fight completely before doing it.
Try play feral druid or enh shammy in wotlk. As hard as retail specs. But yeah in vanilla classic it's mostly feral druid dps and warriors that can stick out.
I raid in a classic guild since tbc with a full friends & family raid and staying awake has been a legitimate issue for me. I genuinely start falling asleep because of how unengaging the content is.
@@Bacon-egg-cheese Heal or Tank instead of playing DPS, or play Feral (Vanilla, TBC, Wrath) or Enhancement (Wrath). Vanilla WoW Feral DPS is far more complicated and difficult to play optimally than even most of Retail's DPS specs, unfortunately you still wouldn't top the meters by doing so but that's not the real reason to play a complex spec. Wrath Feral and Ehn are just as complicated as Retail specs, harder than many of them still (though they did recently make feral a little less complicated).
Lets see a comparison of blood death knights playing a roller coaster game with their health bar while their healers freak out as the death knight spams heart and death strike 😂
Behold! The era where the panicle of caster gameplay was standing still and hitting one or two buttons (any Classic and TBC caster) vs now where you are running around like a fighter jet (Evoker)
The leveling and overall convenience in Vanilla is definitely harder than retail. Retail is in general more casual friendly than Vanilla, so that's why people said that sentence. But comparing today's mechanics with a game that's almost 20 years older is just for the memes. Ridicule the veteran Vanilla wow players without knowing what you talk about is just lame. You will be surprised how many gems you will find in the retro gaming era because it's from a time were money and greed was less involved than in today's 'modern gaming'. Goodluck :)
@@whitecow13 I played tbc and wotlk and now classic era and leveling is the only part which is actually harder than retail. I can also give you advice for gaming: "be always open for new stuff you might get a surprise"
@@jointser1008 thans for the advice, but don't worry i play alot of modern games aswell. As for wow i just prefer the classic game because of the leveling experience is the part i enjoy the most in an mmorpg. All the adventures and new people i meet along the way is what makes the game memorable for me. But everyone can play the flavor what brings you the most joy. So no need to look down on one version :). Goodluck!
WoW is a stupid ass game compared to any real competitive game like League, DOTA, CSGO or Valorant and it's funny that their own community says shit like Classic is worse or easier than retail WoW just because there you don't have to memorize 1000 mechanics instead of just playing a fucking PVE game
Funny my friend who played since classic was literally the other day telling me that doing anything else other than frost bolt on a raid boss was a dps loss and I was laughing then this vid just showed up on my page and I was laughing so hard
Players back then liked that there was a big chatroom that was also a game. We didn't really care about being pro or any of that crap. Just hanging with friends. In TBC I mostly just hung around the gate by the pvp queue and dueled my friends. We were all poverty level geared because we didn't really raid or run heroics much. It was so fun.
The dancing part is actually very accurate funnily enough. Gnome Sequencer, the addon cheaters use to automate practically all gameplay actions, has over 6 million downloads now. It's on retail too, but crafting a macro sequence to accurately predict and execute a rotation with retail mechanics and rotations to be as good as an actual player playing well has not really been done too well yet. On Classic however, I've seen streamers with like a few dozen lines of macros in the thing and it maximizes DPS and HPS lmao. You can literally "play" while dancing. Gnone Sequencer players all claim to be fully disabled players with no way to play otherwise...but there's zero chance of that. It'd be mean every quadriplegic person in the world and more would be playing WoW. Thankfully, there's been rumors that blizzard is looking to fully remove the addon as they bring in a better, legal way for actually disabled to play (the adaptive controller support is one of these measures) that doesn't allow botting like GSE does.
I’ve never heard of it by name, but i have heard people talk about an addon potentially being banned that helps disabled gamers. Like you said a lot of people that use more than likely are not disabled. Thanks for the info on it
Classic: move out of the fire. You didn't move? Move now! That's right, get a healing, don't worry. Retail: Oh no! That mage used the mechanic in 5.001 seconds instead of 5.002!! WIPE EVERYONE! GKICK MAGE!
Reminds me of my time playing back in TBC retail and having music streaming on Ventrillo while we cleared Karazhan every week. Miss awesome raid nights like those.
It's funny how wow the boss mechanics became just several things for you to dodge while hitting or healing... whoever thought of the current mechanics was inspired by Cuphead?
Vanilla arcane does not exist, arcane blast was introduced with tbc. Well okay you could press arcane missiles like 7x and go oom without doing any damage and call that arcane for vanilla i guess.
Mythic hardcore? Bro in retail it's a wipe if a single person dies on a mythic boss, need everyone playing perfectly the entire time. Damn now I lowkey want to try out Dragonflight and mythic raiding again 😂
Classic was a true MMORPG, Retail is an Instance Arcade game. Yes for sure Retail mechanics are harder, but i still prefer the RPG aspects of classic. And don't forget, that on Vanilla we used to raid with 300ms, 7-15 fps, 4-8 disconnects each boss, no world buffs, no hit gear (i was top dps as hunter and never used a hit gear), no youtube videos, etc....
@@skyamerico wow has never had "real RPG" as much I also think wow would be a beter mmoRPG it is bad in both versions. If you can give me one decent reason why classic has beter RP sure but I don't believe it is. Have fun all you want in classic I myself played it too (the iteration now and the OG days) and had a blast but saying it is objectively beter than retail is just wrong sorry. If in your opinion classic is more fun enjoy man! I'm glad it is an option for you.
@@user-zg5ew2bm7l what elements? the dk bots in pve and pvp, the social interactions that are basicaly the same with a guild in retail, taking hours to get a lvl sounds like a huge waste of time
@@dabufy3683 yeah, those classic raids are very very easy compared to raids that come after, very limited by mechanics. The hardest part of vanilla/classic is and was having the patience to grind through levels.
@@davidsantiago7808 He wasn't even saying he dislikes classic, most likely his comment means he finds the content in retail more engaging. Yet your boomer brain immediately goes ''RETAIL BAD, NOSTALGIA GOOD'' in an objectively garbage 20 year old mmo walking simulator with poor quality of life updates. You're getting farmed by Blizzard for 2 decades now and you still don't realise it, get a grip.
@davidsantiago7808 Castle Nathria and the two Dragonflight raids (so far) are objectively good. You're kinda fried, mate. I also spent about 55 days /played on my vanilla classic warrior at lvl 60. The only good vanilla raid is BWL. Classic has a lot of merit, but retail raids, especially so far in Dragonflight, are more fun.
@@generaljouf I'm 21 and I just started playing wow a year ago. I started with retail and switched to classic and I'm having infinitely more fun. In retail if you're a noob you get flamed by other players in m+ dungeons. On top of that anything you want to work towards can be bought with real money. Mount? Buy it. Gear? Buy it. Enchants? Buy it. Max level character? Buy it. The only thing you can't really buy is ahead of the curve, but even that can be bought if you know the right guild. It made my entire experience sour and it felt hollow to achieve anything. I switched to classic vanilla and my experience was way better. The community is great, everyone is friendly. There's plenty of both factions running around in contested areas so I can pvp in the open world while leveling. There's no wow token so even though rmt does exist most of the goals and achievements in the game are at least somewhat worth something. To me it isn't about the skill or technicality of the game, it's about if the game is good. And quite frankly retail sucks.
Started leveling a new char on wotlk during the exp bonus. The number of dungeon groups with absolutely awful players is scary lol. Literally had to teach a few dk tanks how to play their class because i was ooming every pull as healer, these tanks were pulling huge and literally doing 0 healing with death strike 😂 . Im like make sure you apply your diseases or it won’t heal, one didn’t even know what diseases were lol. After explaining hes like lol didnt feel like reading 3 paragraphs im lazy. Queues as tank 😂
Algalon is pretty difficult if your teammates are drooling morons. I think the only really fun mechanical fight in Ulduar is Mimiron Hardmode because that's all about positioning and space management. I still haven't killed Algalon but will this coming week. I was with a bad guild that only recently got it down.
I play in a guild with a lot of bad players and you would be surprised how hard the content can feel when people manage to kill themselves almost every single pull in some stupid way. The amount of times we are out of brezes after Mimi p1 because some people like to play minesweeper is actually astonishing. And we can't even do Algalon because our dps is mathematically too low to beat him before enrage. So I guess there's still plenty of people who find the content pretty challenging. Though that says more about them than the content.
And that is the problem with retail wow. A game where you must download curse client and download 30 addons on top! That is incongruous…. And then you have Classic wow, simplicity at its finest! We want classic plus now!
I went back to retail recently after break for many years and can confirm, this is how retail is now. I felt like i was playing some sort of platformer, jump here dodge there move out move in spread out group up.
@@dennisdubose2444 No, that is not what I said, but I can see English is not your first language so I understand your confusion and poor spelling and grammar.
People seem to be misunderstanding my OP. I had no trouble playing retail for the month or so I went back recently. My issue is that the core gameplay loop is not enjoyable. If I wanted to run around in circles like a nutcase there are games that do that far better and don't require a monthly sub.
Some people actually think that, and haven’t tried retail in years. I do think a lot of the classic/wrath community don’t necessarily care about doing challenging content though, and some just create the illusion they are 😂
Classic was and is easy, but that's precisely the point. It makes for a chill and fun game. In retail you have to run for your life every 5-10 seconds, it's no longer a game, it's like a very intensive job.
classic is for the mentally aged players who cant react to swirlies on the floor anymore. No disrespect but their dedicated bullshitting to try to make classic look like challenge compared to retail is sad and pathetic.
Honestly. I would love if we could have something in the middle where I have to pay attention to a couple key mechanics and have a few buttons in the rotation but dont feel like I need to take a PhD to understand a boss before going at it (with addons installed to cover my screen with instructions). But it's nice for raids to just be chill, don't fuck up the 1-2 mechanics, and feel the progress from the gear you've got for your characters. Being hyperfocused with every piece of content, managing a half dozen different mechanics and constantly weaving between dodging and soaking every 6 seconds (and keeping track of who's turn it is to soak), only for the progress to boil down to "item level go up" (without actually really being able to feel it because of how obfuscated your damage is behind procs rather than baseline ability damage)... its just a little exhausting honestly
@@BigMuskachini Are there any decent TBC pservers? The only one with a sizeable population that i know is stormforge netherwing, and well... let's just say they might as well replace the Orgrimmar music with ching cheng hanji considering how many chinese bots they've got on that server. I am only asking because TBC is also my favorite, and the only big private servers out there are Vanilla and WOTLK, and tbh i prefer TBC over either of those.
Depends on the boss, quite often ranged players get to do more mechanics and greeding for casts is more interesting than melee uptime. I switched from warrior to mage in Legion because melee uptime gameplay felt too binary to me
From what I’ve heard of people playing new expansion, they actually have toned down the number of mechanics, because end of shadowlands (the raids in this vids) it was just so over the top. Even the world first best guilds thought it was too much
@@Zippism i did the first raid on lfr (lol) i hadnt played since like first month of DF and it was cool to see the encounters. Haven’t played much since, but was a nice change of pace from hc classic.
That’s right, things did indeed get harder and more challenging. Haha. Boss fights are just puzzles that requiere solving as a group. It’s not bad, it if you want to do Mythic it can be intimidating. Especially if you can’t find a group that has the same mindset as you.