A list like this is 100% subjective. My choices came from the opinions of my viewers, my experiences in TF2 and the playstyle the weapon encourages overall. You may disagree, that is absolutely fine. You may check the description for some further explanations of my choices. I recommend doing that before commenting.
You WILD with those takes, except Original, that is 100% fax, I've yet to meet one original user, ESPECIALLY strange quality original user who isn't a tryhard. But still besides your original take, your other one's are wild, like ranking black box as most casual one, sure it is pretty casual, but MOST casual? Nah dawg, as a black box user, I've encountered tons of tryhard black box users, especially those who use gunboats for some reason
@@danielsurvivor1372 i think some people just get told that gunboats are the best secondary so they equip it & forget about everything else they could be using, i personally love using banners with it since the banners are really good & the increased survivability lets me use banners more. also shotguns are nice but id just keep worrying that im not getting the healing if i used one
@@artifactU Also using shotguns kinda distracts you from getting those rocket shots so by having banners or gunboats you're forced to commit and learn
You putting the Black Box as the "most casual launcher" is interesting to me because the ONLY times I whip it out is when I need to buckle my fuckle and bunker down because my team is losing and I could use the extra sustain, only occasionally being switched out for the Beggars + Conch if I just NEED that extra burst damage and there is no med. It's also kinda interesting that the Beggars is so far into the "tryhard" territory because I personally much prefer the Beggars for when I'm messing around because overload jumping and sync bombing poor people with the 2 other loaded rockets or going for a massive garden is some of the most fun you can have on Soldier (imo)
Honestly I think the Beggars' is more casual than Black Box, since most of the players who use the Bazooka are just trying to mess around and have fun just like you said (Doesn't mean they can't pubstomp with it though)
I had a similar experience when he put the beggars in 3rd, since whenever I put that thing on I’m usually memeing with either the righteous bison or the escape plan
The beggars is a weapon tryhards try to force into viability, and often fail. But they still try. The black box on the other hand is used by so many people, that the tryhards are a very small part of them. The beggars is rarely used, so the group of tryhards who use it made a much larger splash on this list than the few tryhards who use the black box in an ocean of casual users
@@Lonqudormay I bring up crutch box? aka the black box and conch combo for people who *try hard* to not die. also half of the beggers players are just braindeadly spamming
He said that he didn't find tons of tryhards using it but I'm just baffled how he didn't saw em. I personally saw em a lot on harvest, usually tryhardy one's use gunboats since, I guess back in the day blackbox was the roamer meta weapon idk
@@gameingtothemax6266 Nah it's not a crutch, but I do agree with you that blackbox has way more tryhards then he lets on, trust me, I run blackbox alot and see others use it too and not all of them are as chilly as me 😅
For me the list would be 9:rocket jumper 8:cow Mangler 7:beggers 6:air strike 5: liberty launcher 4:black box 3: direct hit 2: stock 1: original And black box being considered most casual, hell even more casual then beggers is questionable.
Yep, and I say it as a guy who used black box a ton and a guy who fought black box users. We're perfectly in the middle, we either have goofiest chillies people or most tryhard ones 😅
I think rocket jumper deserves place as most casual only if by casual you mean nobody tries hard to win the match, but the Lon seems to be using different definition of tryhard so I think for his link it makes sense it's a bit higher.
As someone that never plays soldier, I keep mixing the cow mangler and the pomson up all the time, to the point where I am genuinely confused whenever someone says they like it.
Or Black Box and I say it as Black Box user 😅. I'm usually chill with it but I saw so many tryhards with it and sometimes even I try hard with it instead of switching to roamer loadout
@@gudmansal3468 Do they? Considering how many people complain about Black Box and Conch combo you'd think not everyone uses it or else they wouldn't complain about it 😅
lmao im the guy who rolled up to you in the uncletopia match and said "ayo speak if u the real lon'qudor" and then u did, glad to see u featured 1 clip of me being eviscerated by a crit rocket (im panchizo)
@@anonymoushumankind Ngl, Original stereotype is the one one that is actually almost 100% correct, I very rarely found any chill original users xD. Although I don't mind le dicc jokes, just wish y'all would chill out playing 😅
Black Box is Tryhard because it isnt a fun weapon. Its purely for the healing to win. Its mainly used by Tryhards in the immortal soldier loadout. Very rarely is it used otherwise except maybe the battalions backup.
i love how the black box footage you use for the most casual launcher is using the conch box loadout which is almost exclusively used by tryhards who simply refuse to change class lol i would honestly bump the box above stock personally, stock is way more common on noobs than the box due to the extra shot of leniancy, 20 health on a hit rocket is strong, but moreso in terms of damage thresholds, a less experienced player will just die slower by missing a rocket, reloading them getting hit by another shot.
Hard disagree with the Black Box. Most people I see using it are trying to stay alive as long as possible. Deserves a spot somewhere in the middle imo.
As a black box user, i personally rank it as "chill, but wanna win" since that's how i personally use it, i enjoy playing the game and i like it to be somewhat easier due to the health on hit, but i also like to push the objective and whatnot, so I'd probably put it more towards the middle of the list
I highly have to disagree on the Blackbox. Blackbox is literally the soldier that wants to win 1v1's all the time. Then they combine with Conchqueror to increase their tankiness for general teamfight purposes. Also Blackbox might also be used by Soldiers that want self sustain when there's no medics, and the map has shitty medkits/locations for medkits and only knowledgeable Soldiers would know when to use it like that..
I never took airstrike seriously until I came across a pubstomping as chad in 2fort. I mean he literally pull out rocket jumps in narrow rooms of 2fort and bombed the s___ out of us in mere second in the air, and he paired it with Battle's Battalion and a pocket medic and was literally unstoppable.
@@danielsurvivor1372 I prefer buff banner too, I'm just not gud enough to take good advantage of battalion. Maybe it actually did help the team survive, instead of getting frags, but I have no way to know that.
Counter argument to black box being at the bottom How many hales own aussie Black boxes have you seen? Also, surprised to see the beggars so high up, even above the direct hit, ive always seen it as on the same level of silly and whimsy as the rocket jumper or airstrike
By the videos definition of tryhard, the buffalo steak sandwich is the most try hard lunchbox item because people try to win with it. PS. Don't tell lon about the conch
Now you say that all your comments are exaggerated for comedic effect but tbh it still just sounds really mean spirited and just not particularly comedic in nature. Like I personally don't think it's funny to just call a hypothetical someone a prick. There's no humour there.
i freakin' love the liberty launcher. combined with the gunboats, the playstyle you become an unpredictable and constantly rocket-jumping menace that deals a measly 15 damage per rocket jump. using high vantage points and the element of surprise is so fun, but it's best on open maps/areas. it's not good by any means, it's easy to lose fights if you treat it like stock, but otherwise i wouldn't trade it in
I still love and enjoy the air strike to this day. It felt like it should’ve been part of the game a long time ago, but it’s great and it’s so much fun to play with.
ima keep it a buck with yall i have *NEVER* seen any one use the liberty launcher, if seen every other launcher except the liberty launcher, i dont think the cow mangler is the least used launcher, just from experience
My take on Original users: They desperately want you to think they were gods at Quake back in the day, but chances are they weren't even born when Quake came out Also, I used to use the Original not because of the visuals or stats or sounds or anything, but because I had a Spec Killstreak one
You WILD with those takes, except Original, that is 100% fax, I've yet to meet one original user, ESPECIALLY strange quality original user who isn't a tryhard. But still besides your original take, your other one's are wild, like ranking black box as most casual one, sure it is pretty casual, but MOST casual? Nah dawg, as a black box user, I've encountered tons of tryhard black box users, especially those who use gunboats for some reason
It is obsurd to assume that tryhards do not try to have fun, why the hell would a majority of them be playing the damn game if they're not having fun? I can understand considering a solid chunk of tryhards to not do stuff for fun, but winning is fun, it's gratifying and many people do not sacrifice a favourite weapon for it For example, me, i play generally to win, however my favourite weapon for the soldier is the beggars bazooka which in a casual scenario is almost always worse than stock because it's design is incredibly hit or miss, yet i use it all the time for my roamer loadout and sometimes even banner loadout because i am good with it anyway And when i decide to take a break from playing to win, i go queue for something like koth or hightower and i stick with the exact same loadout, but play for clips instead of picks and making space, because the beggars is insanely fun
Aside from the toxicity part (if i'm shittalking people, i'm clearly not enjoying things and should proooobably leave) and the roamer soldier part (trying to be a "roamer" in casual is hilariously pointless), that description of the Original called me out. Like, down to the exact loadout and low tier unusual. Hot damn!
Putting the "comedic" disclaimer at the END of the video was a pretty big mistake because I was about to scream a racial slur when you said that "nobody cares" about the tactical upsides the Original has. I am not a tryhard player, but when you tried to dumb down a weapon for it's "overexaggerated" upsides, it just makes you look like you're taking 5 doses of copium an hour because a 10,000 hour Soldier main joined the lobby with this thing. I get that the Original is just a straight upgrade and is used specifically for try hardy reasons, but dumbing down those huge reasons to use the weapon to "nobody cares" really makes the whole reasoning feel like a rant. Next time, PLEASE fit anything relating to disclaimers at the beginning, it's make the video look more professional and more understandable.
You’re typing as if you’re five years old. Also, if you’re intelligent enough to understand that my points were exaggerated, you don’t need the disclaimer.
Honestly the only reason why I used the original is because I like quake and liked the reference to it its kinda sad that most people who use it probably never played it
I personally use the direct hit because even missing a shot is satisfying with it, and I like the challenge of hitting every shot. I don't like how ginormous the blast radius for stock is, it just simply is too forgiving. I recently got bored of the game because I've mastered the basics of every class, but then I bought some weapons and now I'm playing soldier much more regularly (I'm a heavy main, soldier used to be my least played class). I pair the dh with the batallion's backup or buff banner and disciplinary action. But that's my second loadout for soldier. I spend like 90% of the time trolldiering, as I find it much more fun, rewarding and challenging
I mean I guess I'm not "trying" anything specific with the Black Box, but I think it's a great weapon to try and win with. Whether you're good or bad, it really helps out with your survivability when healing is unreliable.
I feel like people really react weirdly towards the airstrike a little bit less splash dmg and a little less direct dmg [about 10-20 less] meaning you may need 1 more shot but it's honestly not that bad. You never HAVE to do that jump thing, just use the additional rockets and be happy. Also retrieving while shooting 50 rockets back is always fun.
Well, for me the Original just looks cool and it's the Quake 1 gun and I like this franchise. And it takes quite a small amount of screen space, it's simply convenient. Speaking of the outro song, it's called "Se mettre sur son trente-et-un !" , Lon'q accidentally missed a word. And right now in Genshin you can play the music event with cool rhythm game and this song is there rn, pretty tough on hardest difficulty
While this video does have a decent amount of points like I very much agree with the ranking of the cow mangler and the air strike and especially the thing you said about the original, I don't agree however with the placements of the black box and the beggars. For starters most black box users usually pair the black box with the banners to serve a supportive role since the health that it grants, along with the black box's DPS makes it a great supportive role since you are going to last longer in the battlefield to support your team while providing them with buffs such as protection, extra damage, or health, so most soilders who use are strive for capping points and winning games, and thus tend to be more dedicated (sometimes a bit to dedicated) in winning, and thus making the tryhard soilder stereotype. Another ranking I don't agree with is the beggars bazooka since most of the people who use it treat it more like a mobility tool than an actual weapon due to its deviation and its misfire mechanic which tends to attract more of the type of people who take the weapon itself less seriously and more aim to get those market garden kills (contrary to unpopular belief aka you),which brings in an audience who belive in the phrase "fun-over-results", appreciating mobility fun over points on the score board. A bonus (but I think it's just me), the way you use the term 'tryhards" seems a bit biased against the type of people you describe as "tryhard", and the term tryhard is quite misrepresentative as a whole since anyone can be consideredfriendly, even a friendly (since they can be trying to hard to come across as freindly), and a skillful player doesn't necessarily have to be a " tryhard" (since their main goal isn't to do a specific task like win, its to generally have fun) So in conclusion your video isnt "bad", but it isn't "good". just tweak the ideas of the beggars and the black box and bit and you have a good video and yes, I know its your opinion but your opinion isnt what most people expirence in game, thus kinda considering it " flawed" (not incorrect but noticeably imperfect), just note at the end of the day you do what you want and you dont have to listen to what I say or what other people say, you are enjoying yourself and making these videos and I am happy for that :).
Another "TF2ber" that doesn't even mention the Beggar's main function as the burst-damage sentry nest buster. That's what makes it a tryhard weapon, not the "it's basically 20 rockets in a clip" that isn't true at all. If you try to use Beggar's like that, you will be killed by anything that isn't brain-dead or a fresh install. 🤷
Don't know why you felt the need to put "TF2ber" in quotes, but its wonderful to see a triggered Tryhard Beggars user as it actively proves my point that this is a Tryhard weapon
I have no idea what servers you are playing on, but in my experience Air Strike is WAY more common and actually threatening unlike The Liberty Launcher. I've seen great players over the years who prefer Air Strike over stock for either higher clip size which allows for more leeway during duels, or for rocket jumping benefits since with gunboats you can sync your clip for a HUGE burst of momentum thanks to the higher firing speed when rocket jumping. Meanwhile The Liberty Launcher just sucks, it's borderline useless without a damaging secondary/buff banner just purely because of how little damage it does, I only really see it used alongside the Market Gardener and that's it, most of the time people using it are usually doing it for fun because god knows why someone would equip it willingly to "win". Honestly I would swap their respective placement with each other. Also, Black Box as the most casual is definitely a hot take for sure
Most of my time is spent on Uncletopia, I trust that the average Uncletopia player has game sense and a decent awareness of positioning. The liberty launcher has had a bit of a renaissance recently among these players, as when combined with the buff banner or the gunboats, its actually surprisingly good. Long story Short; The Liberty does a small bit of everything, so a small amount of every playstyle uses it.
My list (cas to tryhard): Liberty launcher: objectively the worst launcher. The only merit is the jump damage. Very fun tho! Air strike: Also really fun, more so when one goes for ludicrous market gardens, but pretty bad. Rocket jumper: Any player using this is usually trying pretty hard, albeit with a vastly suboptimal loadout, hence why it is placed here. Beggars: Fun, quirky, suicidal. 10/10. Cow mangler: Either the hardest of sweats or, more likely, alt-fire spammers, which I respect. Black box: Either sweaty soldier that hates dying or backline spammer that hates retreating, either way more serious gamers. Direct hit: Mostly people done with sentries or scouts, otherwise quite sweaty. Stock/original: classic "Soldier main™", as sweaty as it gets.
As a Soldier Main, I mainly use the Rocket Launcher because it’s the most reliable for me as a causal player. I use the Direct Hit so I could practice with my accuracy (even playing TF2 for years now, my aim is just as shit as I was a newbie.)
The Beggar's Bazooka is an interesting case to me, I see it gets a lot of use in 6s and it makes me happy seeing it there. It's a silly weapon and I love it to bits. I have good days and bad days with it and I always have fun overload jumping all over the place. Playing with the Beggar's has taught me how to time airblasts. :')
You use the Beggar's Bazooka because of its ability to spam rockets. I use the Beggar's Bazooka because my cosmetics for Soldier make him look homeless and I wanted to stick with the theme. We are not the same
I mean, as controversial as some pf the takes have seem to be taken by this comment section, they only think that kind of irked me was the fact that people just twnd to forget that you can use the airstrike without being in the air and still have far more rockets to deal with. Granted, it isn't quite the 20 rockets of Beggers, but it can be quite good.
I love using the black box since (when paired with either the buff banner or battalions backup. NEVER THE CONCH) makes me feel like both a one man army and a big support that can stay alive long with the health on hit.
Half of the people who use the beggars are: casuals or new ones who experiment and play with it or tryhards who want to force it even in the soup, I would say more that it would go in the top 5, the black box is much more seen by tryhards
I just like the center projectile of the original but surprisingly I can’t hit rockets with regular stock skin but with every others rocket launcher I hit well
i know no one will ever believe me but the airstrike can be insane if you know what youre doing. damage falloff doesnt exist if your hitbox is rapidly flying directly at your target, and clip size is everything to soldier as a class. the liberty launcher does nearly the same damage per clip as stock, making the extra rocket meaningless, but with just two kills the airstrike already does more damage per clip. just consider the airstrike with the kritzkrieg, seven 230 damage rockets fired within 0.28 seconds of each other. im not saying its perfect, but i think people need to forget the base jumper exists and give the airstrike a chance with a real secondary, especially the banner.
As a fellow cow mangler user, if you have a duo of soldiers and they're extremely coordinated (playing with a friend) you can be nearly unstoppable with unlimited ammo and (if the other one's using the direct hit) extreme sentry busting capabilities.
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