Ranking Every Chargeable Projectile in Smash 

Thanks for watching everyone! A projectile tier list has been heavily requested and I figured something more specific like this might be interesting, what did you think? There are a couple moves I'm seeing pop up in the comments a lot, mostly the ones I expected, so here's some more detail on them: *-Mii Gunner's Stealth Burst:* This move should have been included, I made a mistake. I loosened the criteria after initially compiling the list, which added Zelda's Din's Fire, and Stealth Burst should have been added at the same time. I'd place Stealth Burst in B tier, on most characters' kits it'd probably be in C tier because of the lag but Mii Gunner has so many persistent walling tools to help set it up. *-Sephiroth's Flare:* I've seen a lot of applications for that move listed, most of which I agree with (these videos can't cover every use case of every move). However, a lot of them are very specific, and also directly competing with something else in Sephiroth's kit. One thing I do while researching these videos is comb through a lot of high level tournament footage, and in those situations (which this list is based on), Sephiroth's [Mega/Giga]Flare is rarely chosen, and when it is, it rarely connects. In offstage situations, you usually see the better Sephiroth players opt either to go out for an edgeguard, or try and 2-frame with down smash or down air. At the ledge? Ftilt, Shadow Flare, and uair get far more use. The less familiar I am with a move (which isn't actually the case here, but hear me out), the more footage I tend to watch ahead of time, which admittedly has flaws itself that I alluded to in the video. To take an example, WaDi is one of the best ROB players in the world and famously puts very little time into practicing the character's advanced tech, his fundamentals are just that good. Which means that if tournament footage of WaDi was my main source of information, I'd likely think of the character very differently. I compensate for this by watching a variety of players, but it's never going to be perfect. Regardless, in the case of Sephiroth, his better players generally seem to have come to the same consensus that other moves are more useful in more situations. This matches how I feel about the move. This is probably my most contentious placement based on the comments, which I expected, especially because of how much more effective it tends to be in mid level and casual settings, but no regrets with the F tier. *-Zelda's Phantom:* I've had a few people bring up Phantom displacement (an advanced technique that shifts the Phantom in front of Zelda), which I opted not to cover. The first reason is similar to Sephiroth, I rarely actually see it used, and also comes with the same caveats about relying on tournament footage of the handful of strong Zelda players. The second reason is that I still don't think that's enough to push it into the same tier as moves like Charge Shot or Needles. *-Hero's Lightning Spells:* As several comments have pointed out, these _technically_ aren't projectiles, they can't be reflected, for example. I understand this, but still think they absolutely belong on the list, they clearly work like projectiles and the fact that they're not coded that way is an unintuitive quirk of the game. Joker's Gun, for example, has the same property, and I'd also include him on any other relevant projectile tier list, although I'll probably attach a disclaimer about it from now on. *-Ike's Eruption:* To be clear, Ike's Eruption is NOT a projectile, but you could argue that if Hero's lightning spells belong on here, Ike does too. Unlike those moves, however, Eruption's additional flares are irrelevant essentially 100% of the time in competitive play. *-Bowser Jr.'s Cannonball:* So, I actually originally did the same thing for this move as I did for Diddy Kong, I went back and said "I changed my mind, this move is too good for F tier, I'll move it up." Then I went to find a good clip of Cannonball that supported my point...and literally couldn't, no matter how long I looked. So I changed my mind on changing my mind and deleted that segment. Some other use cases the comments have brought up, like firing it high so that it drops down much later, don't move the needle in my opinion. *-Corrin's Dragon Fang Shot:* Part of the reason the kill confirm doesn't see much play is likely because it works best when the forward air is done approaching, at risky spacing. The better Corrin players (and swordfighter players in general) tend to prioritize spacing quite heavily. That's something I didn't mention in the video and probably should have. It also ties it to a melee move in a video full of projectiles. If there are any other tier lists that you'd like to see on the channel, let me know! -Main channel: ru-vid.com -Twitter: twitter.com/MrMockRock -Twitch: www.twitch.tv/mockrocktwitch -Patreon: www.patreon.com/mockrock -Teespring: teespring.com/stores/mockrock -TimeBolt affiliate link (excellent software I use to speed up editing on my videos, use code "MOCKROCK" for a discount): mockrock--timebolt.thrivecart.com/order-page/

Something I'd love to see is ranking all suicide kills. Wolf down throw/side b, incineroar down throw/up b, ganoncide, bowsercide, kirbycide, mii Brawler has like 3 etc. I think it would be fun to see Edit: Seeing a lot of people saying they are all the same or similar. Some of them take multiple moves, some don't. Some require specific percentages, some don't. Some kill you first, some don't. Some kill you even if the opponent lives, some let you live if the move doesn't work. Some need difficult spacing or DI, some don't. Some can be mashed out of, others can't. Some don't work on all characters, some do. Some require your opponent to go to ledge or be offstage, some don't. There is plenty of difference imo.

That "laugh into straightfaced F Tier" true combo on Failnaught was gold 😂😂

Mii Gunner's charge shot honestly has some great synergy with their kit, depending on what moveset you have. Unlike the samus version which is a combo starter, Gunners is more conventional being a combo ender with things like Flame Pillar for combos or missles to set up pressure from far away.

Robin's thunder is like half the reason why I play him. Each projectile is so unique and situational that you feel like a genius when you get that combo, snipe, or kill off them.

Mii gunners charge shot can also 2-frame some characters

I kind of want a Spike tier list but maybe split into multiple parts since there’s a lot of them

I’d bump up sephiroth’s neutral B because when he gets a shield break (so easy to do) he has the ability to literally kill at 3 %. (Well spaced N-B into F-smash (or F-tilt) and it’s even better and can kill from anywhere when he has wing.

While I see your point about bjr's cannon, one thing that you didn't mention was that after a while the ball will just fall down with a hitbox still activated. Many bjr players use it for ledge guarding when spaced well and can snipe recoveries with alot of knockback

I would argue that the Flares should be in C tier, since it’s a decent shield break punish, and Sephiroth can easily break shields.

i disagree with byleth, it’s a great conditioning move because you HAVE to respect it, either by shield or jumping or parrying if you’re good. you can catch people off guard while edge guarding and get an early kill, and it does high damage despite the slow start up

I know this really isn’t part if the criteria, but I want it to be known that Kirby gets a fairly quick, sorely needed OoS kill confirm from center stage with Link’s arrow at 100% (jump -> arrow throw -> Fair 1 -> FSmash/USmash; reverse arrow throw is even faster) Granted, Link probably shouldn’t be getting close to your shield, but if he gets even somewhat close it works. Actually, your own take on Kirby’s Smash copy abilities would be pretty interesting to see.

As a Byleth main, Failnaught neutral b is great in its uncharged form You can turn it around up to two times, and if you know your timing you can hit the opponent with it while offstage so you send them away to be able to recover after Also idk why but i often just randomly shoot a predictable arrow and they just stand there and get hit. I dont know why it happens so often but i land the arrows more often than i should

I find sephiroth’s neutral B to be a great tool at keeping opponents at a distance and conditions opponents to jump, which you can read

I think you're underselling Sephiroth neutral b a bit. It's pretty good at baiting out reactions and pressuring recoveries. Do nothing and they eat a Mega Flare. If they go high and you can cancel it and go for fair or uair. Go low and potentially get spiked. I find the threat of the move is stronger than the move itself (same for Byleth). Plus Mega Flare travels super fast, covers a good amount of ground and kills. That said, looking at the rest of the list I agree it is outclassed by most other projectiles and probably doesn't deserve anything higher than C tier.

I was kinda thinking about a tier list with all the grabbable items. (The ones that come from characters, for example Diddy's Banana, Mega Man's Saw.) Another amazing video from Mockrock!

I would put Byleth’s a little up cause it’s an excellent conditioning tool. It does amazing shield damage (which Byleth can take advantage of), travels very fast and it kills.

Heavy disagree with PK Freeze. With it being nearly lagless you can practically remain in neutral while pressing advantage/keeping you opponent in disadvantage It's angle is unforgiving and if landed can essentially Combo into itself and iirc you CAN'T mash out of this freeze keeping the timing strict

LET'S FUCKING GOOOO 27:12 BEST OF EVERY MOVE POST DLC VERSION CAN'T WAIT

The way I use Jr projectile is as a sky drop attack. I launch it in the sky, go low below ledge and while my opponent tries to guard ledge, I'll fake an attack so they put their shield up and cannon ball hits shield, then the ground doing even more shield damage. Their shield pretty much pops. Never advise to use this move grounded. It's a projectile you always wanna use in the air.

I think Corrin’s Dragon Fang Shot deserves a bit more of a nod as a juggling tool weirdly enough. Given that Corrin has some of the best juggling in the game, air dodge punishes are very common for Corrin players, and dragon fang shot actually kills people for air dodging. Cosmos has even used the move for that in the past

Lucas' PK Freeze will travel below ledge which can catch a lot of people off gaurd. And its low end lag means that air dodging too close to Lucas results in a punish.

YOU ARE JUST DEAD WRONG ABOUT GIGAFLARE: that move is so intimidating because it’s cancelable and the blue flare is fast. It’s not really that you’re gonna hit the opponent with it but more so for conditioning jumping, reflecting and shielding which seph can punish and if he manages to break your shield(even if you’re bowser) you’re just dead, so it’s at least A-tier

Ridley getting hit while charging is actually useful, when that happens it cancels all knockback meaning you can get hit by warlock punch at a high percent and still live, you can almost always avoid it but in a edguarding scenario you can just not get edguarded also if your shield is low and your set up so you can’t go anywhere having that option is useful.

If I had a nickel every time I got hit by Young LInk Fire Arrows, I'd be Scrouge McDuck

It’d be interesting to see a ranking of movement based specials (mainly side-bs like Wario, Villager, Ike, etc.)

Another thing to add about aura sphere is that it’s super good at ledge trapping since you can use the charge to cover an option and the projectile hits under the ledge if you’re over like 70%. This also means it 2 frames so you get some pretty early kills that way.

You're probably gonna get tired of hearing this really soon but neither Zap, Zapple, OR Kazap are projectiles.

Completely forgot about mega flare 😅 that’s the one that gets the most use for sephi, mega alone should have put it in B tier

Pop gun cancelling is so insanely good and imo puts it near A tier. Also ledge trapping with it is amazing as it forces an option off ledge and can combo into fair/bair for a kill

I definitely think that giga flare should be C tier because it could be used to punish a shield break and will kill at zero if you use f smash at the same time and when sephiroth is in one-wing, it is pretty easy to get shield breaks.

I'd like to see a Spike tier list

As a sephiroth main, i would personally bump up neutral-b to c. In my experience i've gotten a lot of use for its second version, and the killpower of its third version makes up for its high risk, and is much more useful in a casual enviroment. Just my thoughts.

Honestly Robin's Thunder charges rarely matter that much in my experience. It does sometimes suck but because it charges into different moves with different uses Thunder is usually a move you plan to use rather than a move you'd miss out on if you were out of charges with the possible exception of no charge Thunder which you can usually play around not having for a few seconds until you have it back. The only other move I care less about running out of is Nosferatu but that move's so situational I often forget I even have it.

Gigaflare + variants do have some good utility, the fully charged one basically turns into an insta kill at ledge and the mid charge is actually really strong so it can catch people offstage and ledge getup options

splat bomb is easily a tier for me, the way you can completely invalidate some recoveries and force ledge situations and ledge traps make it a top 3 inkling move for sure

I would love if you rated all tether grabs in the game. They're especially interesting due to the differing aerial uses for them all being fairly unique.

Hey! Zelda player here, albeit amateur. I think A tier is fair for Phantom, but I do want to point out one small way in which a lot of people severely underrate it - as a _defensive_ option. Yes, it throws out massive hitboxes and controls a lot of stage space. However, where I personally get more use out of it than anything is simply body-blocking opponents. The body of the Phantom itself is a semi-solid wall while charging, as well as between its hitboxes ending and it disappearing; it can be rolled through, but not walked or dashed through, in a similar way to the Pits' down-B. With careful play and some well-timed B-reverses, it can create an immense amount of openings not just by threatening with its hitboxes, but also by unexpectedly restricting enemy movement and "pinning" them in place when they expected to approach.

I wish corrin could charge the paralyzing ball part of the move, with the drawback being you still have to bite after you fire it.

i personally think toon links arrow is a tier. super slow travel time with really good endlag means it covers a lot of space for toon link while being hard to punish in neutral. combined with his insane bombs and good boomerangs its really good

I understand your reasoning for Bowser Jr's Cannon but, in my experience, it's a really powerful tool when used in combination with his Mecha Koopa. You can use it to set traps and limit your opponents space to work with so you can more easily predict their movements. Although, it should be said that my experience is very casual. While me and my friends are pretty good I wouldn't say we are anywhere near as good as any of the pros. I'm sure it's a very different case for them.

I think if you consider that you can perform a Displaced Phantom Slash with Zelda, then the move should be S tier. Because if you do a retreating displaced Phantom, you can charge Phantom while avoiding a good amount of projectiles because Knight protects you. If you do it forwards, you can be perfectly setup for ledge traps, or you can go off stage and leave phantom on the edge to ledge guard covering off stage space. It has counterplay for sure, but because you can mixup timings which make a big difference, move around with Knight fully charged etc. I'd say it's S tier. Certainly I think it's better than the rest of A tier at the least.

PK Freeze is A tier. It is used in neutral as an anti air that if that air dodge through you get a free hit. It helps you mix up your recoveries a lot. It is highly mobile so it can catch aerial spammers and when you send lucas in the same direction in the air with the freeze it can be used to cover yourself. Way better than the sample size of pro players would suggest.

Would be really fun to see a big moves tier list

Flare's underrated. Didn't even mention it allows Sephiroth a free 0-death. Gigaflare kills Pichu at ledge with optimal DI with no follow-up. Great conditioning tool, reversing momentum, etc. A situational move that gets you a free kill once every few high level games can still be a good move and this one isn't even that situational. Played a tournament vs my brothers, a friend came to play as well and we were seeded against each other. He ragequit because of that move alone. (Though this is low level play.) :p

Din’s fire is fantastic for edgeguarding, forces airdodge and very little endlag which she can really capitalize on. I’d definitely put it above peanut pop gun at the very least.

kinda off topic, but man, your intro is seriously amazing. i can't help but rewatch it like 7 times every time i watch one of your videos-

I'd put Lucas's PK freeze into high B tier or low A tier. It's one of the safest projectiles on a shield (-15 if uncharged to -5 at full charge) that locks a character into an animation. It is just nuts on shield or hit. & most characters can't even punish a partially charged pk freeze on shield 3 character lengths away from Lucas. It actually lingers (4 frames from 1) & enables combos from 0-30 with normals or leads into more pk freeze chains or DJ pk fires for nasty offstage sniping gimps (it even has 23 frames of endlag after the hitbox is over & it takes 5 frames from the startup to detonate, making parrying it nigh impossible because of the massive delay mixups). Lucas being hit on the frame you release the special button does NOT stop freeze from detonating either. It bypasses the annoying attack/defensive option landing strategies that most of the cast opts to do & makes them forfeit stage control or risk potentially getting gimped afterward. It's transcendent, meaning only full body intangibility, invincibility, or reflector hitboxes can actually avoid it safely, especially if one is cornered, has limited landing mixups, is slow in the air, or has meh landing options. the endlag on it is so low that lucas can actually use it to bait predictable landing options or force normal getups on ledge as well if he has the time to set it up. It forces many characters to heavily alter their recovery trajectories or flat-out die. It's a good chargeable projectile, because once it's out during Lucas's advantage with snatching landings or general corner pressure, it can command lots of respect & cheese while being very risky to punish.

I think Sephiroth's neutral B is severely undervalued. mid-charge is great if you're trying to get back on stage (forces the opponent to work around it), and full charge forces the opponent to fall into another trap. even if you time it perfectly, Sephiroth can react to the option you choose and punish you for that anyways. Also cancelling the full charge and then hitting the opponent with another move is a great conditioning tool

You cannot say that links arrow is b teir and flare is f teir. The arrow is basi ally useless in comparison to boomerang and bomb. Flare is used more often by sephiroths than arrow is for link. It's also used as a pressure tool to approach with because of how slow the base charge is. Also even if you can time a getup, sephiroth can wait for your getup with f tilt or grab.

Something that I think should move Corrin's dragon shot up a tier or two is 1. The stun scales with the percentage and 2. Because of that you can get a really easy tipper pin confirm if you know how to space it and at higher percents (around %100-110) you can even get it if the dragon shot hits from across the stage. Granted it is somewhat difficult to learn the spacing but once you do you have a somewhat easy kill option if your opponent likes jumping which in ultimate is very common.

Failnaut is so fast when you take in to account it’s kill power that it deserves minimum B tier, sephiroth’s neutral B is a zero to death shield break punish with forward smash. They both are better than or as good as diddy gun.

In regards to Luma shot, looking at how it gets used when we only look at the projectile aspects, a Kirby with Luma Shot can be an absolute nightmare due to the lack of a hurtbox to stop it, meaning it basically beats anything that normally could stop a fully charged projectile, and sometimes even reflectors fail to actually reflect it far enough because of that tight distance control. If we look at it in the context of Rosalina herself having it, it's mostly used in advantage like the non-projectile non-stoage charging moves; a glorified mid air smash attack. And if we look at it in neutral, it can be used decently as a mixup to setup desyncs or grab confirms on foes who shield it - the odd case where your opponent shielding the move could easily be more beneficial than them getting hit You may also want to consider the neutral B when luma is gone (often called "wand wave") in that case, it's even more apples to oranges, but it does mean you now have access to a free B reverse button, and a spammable windbox that can be used against certain recoveries to almost guarentee the foes' demise. All in all, A tier does seem about right

"Failnaught, more like fail-a-lot!" That got me so good.

The useful thing about Ridley's Boss hurtbox on his breath attack is that cancels all knockback, regardless of Ridley's damage percentage, which can make it a situational survival option, it's not ADVISED cause of the heavy lag you'll have after but it COULD just save you

Surely Sephiroth's Flare deserves some extra credit for allowing him some ridiculous early kills off of shield breaks, by itself or paired with Fsmash, as a character who can get shield breaks with relative frequency? Like, while that aspect wouldn't save the likes of Warlock Punch from being labeled an F tier move, Flare itself starts with a good deal more usefulness, as a projectile that can be canceled for mindgames and conditioning, and then has the ludicrous kills on top of that. Having that move is arguably a large part of why his shield damage is so threatening, as his Fsmash alone wouldn't get him kills as early or as reliably when platforms are involved.

Something you forgot to mention with Gunner, is that it’s really easy to start Gundashing (reverse fairing for hella speed) when recovering by b reversing chargeshot, jump to cancel, and immediately fair.

Always a good day when mockrock uploads. Keep up the great work!

popgun is also really good for it's tech usage

With the game's infamous online, I would suggest making a Wi-Fi tier list, like moves that get the most out of online lag (zoners in particular are infamous online for that reason). You did briefly touch upon that aspect in some videos, but with how the world has been throughout most of Ultimate's life, I feel like it deserves a list of its own.

Love these videos man, honestly. Keep it up!

I love zero suit’s neutral special because you can mix up if you want to shoot the fully charged version or the tiny uncharged version so this keeps opponents scared

I paused at 8:42 to make a "you spin me right around" joke, then realized that I paused it at the perfect time to see Dark Pit aiming it through the monitor, straight at me.

I feel like some of these don't really count cause you don't exactly *charge* them, you just hold the button and change the trajectories. The ones I'm talking about specifically are the Splat Bomb, Din's Fire, and both PK moves, since holding the button purely just changes where the move goes instead.

Pacman's bonus fruit is the reason why I decided to main the character back in Smash 4. It's nice seeing it get an S tier here

Rosa luma shot is used in a couple offensive ways such as mix ups on platforms you can drop through a platform and luma stays charging on the platform this often catches opponents off guard

I agree with Charge Shot wholeheartedly. Not only is it arguably the best move in Ultimate, it is arguably the single best move across the entire series Like, it's one of the most powerful single projectiles in the game, it's power level varies depending on how long you charge it, which gives it almost endless utility, and it's fairly non-committal. It's basically a Smash attack from afar, that's something that literally every character could utilize in their toolkit to great effect.

16:36 "Not really the list this move belongs in, but I do have to include it, it is a projectile, you can pocket and reflect it." *Talks about Zapple four seconds later*

I remember when Coerin charge shot could combo into aerial pin which was a decent kill confirm when catching landings, but I haven't seen a lot of Corrin play in Ult

Fun Fact about Ridleys Boss Weakpoint Thing: It cancels out every knockback you would receive. This does include Litte Mac's KO Punch if it connects just right.

I use Rosa's Luma shot to read get ups and it kills really early, but totally agree with it having the main use of disconnecting Luma.

I have to say that Bowser Jr.'s cannonball is way more useful than you state it as. The purpose of this move is not just to force an option but also to make an everlasting presence due to it having a lingering hitbox, its falling property, the high priority over many other projectiles, and the fact that it does not stop when shielded. These properties do several things. It makes breaking shields and covering escape options from shield possible. It makes it a menacing edge-guarding tool and a complimentary recovery tool when falling from the top corner, which is common. It makes it an unexpected anti-zoning tool when it powers through other projectiles. It also makes it a solid tech-chasing tool, especially on platforms that limit the effectiveness of tech-rolling. While the charge-up does force more attention to positioning, the cannonball takes advantage of that to have a much higher skill-ceiling instead of a simple fast kill move.

Mii gunners charge shot can also hit people hanging on the ledge if you can get them to re-grab or if they hang their too long

Corrin's dragon shot is actually a good jump from ledge trump, it stalls in the air and the shot pushes it back slightly so the chomp will hit those below the original blast. It catches alot of people and lets you get off edge

Wow, I’m gonna keep this list in mind while playing Kirby The fact that I can do forward throw into charge shot is insane. And he adds 1.2x damage multiplier

You’re completely wrong about Sephiroth’s neutral B. It’s by far one of the best ledge trapping moves in the entire game. It really makes it so your opponent has to work around it, which in itself is super challenging to do without getting caught by the projectile.

I had a weird idea for a new tier list What about ranking every single “gimmick” in Smash? So, for example, Kirby’s inhale, Steve’s crafting, etc Obviously the criteria for what counts as a gimmick would be tricky to nail down though…

To talk a bit more about links arrow. Double arrow is safe on reflectors and if done up close it is more safe than arrow, like if you're b reversing on someone's sheild and such. And when using arrow as an item it works similarly to bomb so long as you grab it again before it disappears. It has a weird hit box but it can definitely be used to combo like bomb. Sometimes even better if the arrow drops right

Personally I think Jr.'s cannonball is a great move on the context of his kit. It's low speed with tapping B makes it so good for combos and paired with the mechakoopa, puts a lot of control of the stage to Jr. Not to mention that the ball has a hit box as it falls too. so spacing it right, you could have it fall off stage and you'd actually be surprised how many KOs I got from that especially if used in conjunction with mechakoopa and up B

i love this video just because if the nostalgia the metroid prime hunters background music gives me

Solid tier list. Couldn’t find myself disagreeing with these placements.

I feel like MR is almost… over qualified to talk about smash. He’s so articulate and detail oriented

Top 10 best spikes in smash, that would be a cool video.

In my opinion, I think that Sephiroth’s neutral b could’ve been put a little higher. Sephiroth’s standard flare isn’t really that great, but it does have some combo potential, mega flare can be used after a shadow flare detonates, and gigaflare is one of the best shield punishes in the game because you can also fit a forward smash during the explosion which does roughly 70% damage. This is also really useful considering the fact that Sephiroth has almost zero problems when it comes to shield breaks

surprised you didnt bump popgun up cuz of popgun cancels

Mkleo actually does use half charged Byleth a bit to cover tech situations and for edgeguards where backair won't connect

I've got a couple comments about this, mostly about Corrin and Robin. For Corrin, a lot of their advantage comes from people not knowing the matchup, and a charged dragon fang is a really good skill check. It will kinda break shields if they just expect to shield the projectile so hold shield, it's a decent ledge trap to make your opponent stay on ledge longer which lets Corrin instant pin to kill them below ledge, or f-smash if they're still hanging there. It's also pretty good at anti-zoning which is something Corrin has a lot of issues with, while it is slow, it does clank with most other projectiles. For Robin, they struggle to kill a lot of the time because their kill moves have meter, and you'll probably run out of it once or twice by the time your opponent has enough % to kill. That's where Elthunder comes in, it's fast, doesn't require a lot of meter, can be charged in less time than it takes to land from a full hop, scales extremely well with %, and even if it doesn't kill, it'll knock your opponent offstage pretty easily at anywhere above 100%. Kills starting at 140 ish which isn't bad at all for a really fast, safe, small projectile. That's the main use you'll probably see Robin players get out of it, other than maybe using arcthunder for shieldbreak setups, or the uncharged thunder as a decent poke projectile. It's not S-tier, but it's got a lot more use than just thoron.

How is sephiroph's gigaflare in the same tier as Byleth's failnaught? One is an incredible ledge-trapping tool the other is just an excuse to b-reverse

I once dsmashed a samus charging the charge shot with krool, armored through it but she could still shield before the dsmash actually hit. That's how little lag the uncharged has. It was stupid.

i think jrs cannonball is at least very close to c tier for a couple of reasons. 1 it is active the entire travel time making it very useful for dropping on people on and off stage and 2. it has a grounded hitbox meaning it can easily pop someones shield if both hitboxes connect + can punish people for trying to run back out of shield... funny thing that happens sometimes is i fully charge it offstage while recovering and because they held shield at the ledge, it hits their shield with the first and second hit, instantly breaking it

It kinda funny when you said "most characters would trade their neutral special for this" when talking about gunner charge shot, when a lot of people trade that for another neutral special.

I main plant and i honestly see myself using poison breath when you get a shield break. If you dont know, plant fully charged down b almost breaks shield in one hit, so if the opponent has some shield damage it will just break. It does 50-60% and it can kill at 0 with a follow up to an f smash, and if you feel lucky you can combo a jab when theyre in the poison to do soo much damage. so I think its one of plants better moves but its very situational.

As a Plant main, trapping someone in a poison cloud with jab or pummel is rare, but cathartic. Landing poison cloud for more than a second just feels *good*.

Do you ever think you're gonna upload these lists onto the Tierlist website? I feel like it would be interesting to see other people's takes on these

This man used prime hunter music while talking about charge shot, and charge shot was damn scary in that game too. Coms could land that move in your face, and it charged so fast that they could throw it out at any time.

Byleths arrow is A tier (in my opinion) Simply for its ability to condition your opponent. I’m a byleth main and I only follow through to the arrow maybe 25 percent of the times that I use it

2:04 S for Samus! This is my humor

I think that rosas is a tier. I can understand your placement, and I can understand that it is apples to oranges, but along side the fact that it is so vital to her play style, I see a surprising amount of use with the actual projectile aspect. Uncharged can play an important role in turning around at your opponent when counter-zoning, and the fully charged version kills way earlier than one would think. But I also see that many people don’t actually believe that it has a hit box, so that may have something to do with it. But again the a placement is very respected and I love these videos so much. Keep it up man!

As an inkling main I’d only knock down Splat Bomb down to C due to the way the knockback works on the bomb(the hitbox shifts with the angle of the bomb) which can make it hard to follow up with.

It's so sad that heroes with downtime are always looking at the menu every chance, considering how Most of the time the risk/reward for using menu is only really worth it if your oppoent can reasonably be killed off of it (theres no point in leaving yourself so vulnerable for a flame slash or sizzle if you arent getting a ko for your troubles). Hero can consistently and safely rack up some solid damage as a zoner between all of his specials and a few of his better normals, but everyone only ever uses the fully charged kafrizz and kazap if they aren't spamming the menu...