Every Smash Character's WORST Move (PJiggles Reaction Plus DLC) 

Literally thought of this idea just last night lol

5:07 that might be your rawest "wtf" ever and deservingly so. i think those four people were just trolling pjiggles and he didn't pick up on it.

I personally think that Kazuya's worst move is wind god fist, since it is straight Up a worse version of electric Wind god fist and the ten Hit combo does around 40% damage and kinda works at ledge and can cheese your opponet with a buffered air dogde and the jab itself actually kills with jab 3 and jab 2 can Combo into Grab, Gates of hell and allows for an infinite at around 120%...

Lucas dash attack is not his worst move it's forward throw or jab

@@Cutzerella03 he didn’t count throws.

I'm convinced that Kirby Mains actively spread false propaganda about his Down Air being bad just so we underestimate them right before they gimp us offstage at 5%.

I’m convinced Kirby mains complain about D-Air in hopes that it will get buffed.

Why are Kirby mains such babies

I fell for their trickery some time ago. When I was playing some Kirby I looked up some guides and tips and they would always talk about how Down air is the worst move… And it’s absolutely not. It’s definitely not his BEST move but it’s certainly not the worst move in his arsenal.

i mean, hammer is basically the only way to break shields as Kirby, while dair is arguably outclassed by nair for edgeguards

I mean, same principal: Edge Guarding options that get you killed will become less used, and thus die out the same way species that are worse at surviving will die off sooner than the ones better equipped.

25:27

"Accident" being the right word, I did NOT ask for this!

I main Ridley and it's not that bad. Skewer is obviously a gimmick in comparison. In my opinion, it's not that much worse than his fireballs even.

​@crystalblade13 I find it only works once against low level players, or players that aren't paying attention. Skewer is actually pretty hard to react to compared to the other big moves so it can easily catch someone off guard. Most higher level players will be too unpredictable to land a Skewer consistently.

I don't even care about its utility, Ridley's DAir just looks like utter garbage. Easy bottom 5 contender for "worst attack animations."

@Angelic I mean, Ridley did use to have the infamous down throw -> Skewer mixup (PJiggles’ video was made before 8.0 when Skewer was nerfed by being coded as a grab)

Right like the whole kirby sections got the tone of "look i hate what im saying too"

You can definitely tell that some character discords interpreted this as “move I’m most mad at” lol

Ah that's interesting! I mean, it's depressing and I hate that I know that now. But interesting!

@@MockRockTalk this applies to most things I've learnt on the Internet

I think the asset are actually a mix of Brawl and ssb4, Like in the previous installment, Sheik will revert to her Brawl idle animation while holding a small throwable item. Dark Pit and Chrom absent in brawl will reverts to Marth and Pit's Brawl idle and crouching animations while holding a small throwable item. Like in ssb4, characters that could glide in Brawl still retain the code for it despite it being removed. However, Ridley, a newcomer, has code for being able to glide despite him not being able to. The code for the glide is nearly identical to Charizard's, suggesting Ridley was made using Charizard as a base, and that the code for gliding was a carryover. Developpers remove what was ported before the product release but some trace can retain in the data

@@Jfray252 what

@@Jfray252 Ah, that's actually interesting. I always noticed that if you picked up a small throw able item, many of the characters revert to their previous installment idle animations such as the ones you listed as well as Mewtwo who reverts to his smash 4 idle. Initially I thought it was a neat touch/Easter egg but this makes more sense. Just an oversight if anything, still kinda cool though.

Your switch reads your mind and purposefully turns down the percent chance for getting what you want.

“Stupid switch! You make me look bad!”

I counted all the tries it took him to get a 7. It took him 25 tries

36:10

8, 1, 6, 3, 2, 4, 4, 8, 6, 5, 1, 8, 8, 6, 1, 1, 5, 6, 1, 2, 8, 9, 1, 2, (7) (If I need to correct, tell me) So, the amount he rolled each number is: 1: 5 times 2: twice 3: once 4: twice 5: twice 6: 4 times 7: once 8: 5 times 9: once

Well I love to follow this trilogy personally is my favorite vids from your channel I watch them once in a while I still follow others in your channel but this trilogy is just get into the point for me ^^

Thanks! I did want to make sure the "this is Discord's opinion" point got raised early but really appreciate the extra context here, makes sense to me. Also fuck you.

@@MockRockTalk why did you say to him the F word?

@@theenderkirby939 neutral tilt

@@MockRockTalk what's worse than getting ratioed? Getting neutral tilted 😎😎

Damn

That's hysterical

😅😅

imo Jake Paul is MUCH more of a tool

I don’t get this joke

​@@pvzmariosonica8fanJake Paul and Logan Paul are two RU-vidrs who a lot of people think are stupid and cringey

​@@TheRoboKittynot think, *are* stupid. Not only did they prey hard on their young gullible fanbase during the whole crypto fad and the scam with jake after that. They also disregard morals regularly if the potential is high enough be it the dead or living. But after a while they did slowly drift away from that kind of content, but they have already shown that it wasn't because decency but because they found other routes that can generate more. They are at worst showboats now.

youre a god

How tf does this not have more likes

We gotta get this to top comment immediately

KIND DEDEDE?! 😂 I think you ment king Edit: 56:16 says Kind Dedede

@@TsukasaRui71684 Kind Dedede🤣🤣 I fixed it now, my bad. I was pretty tired when making this list.

I appreciate that! I'm not always going to worry about treading on other creators' toes, particularly for very generic ideas, but it is something I try to avoid if I've got other similarly appealing ideas to work on. "Every Character's Worst Move" is a pretty specific concept and this video essentially recreates it, so if PJiggles hadn't been onboard I probably would have passed even if it would still fall under fair use. A more generic tier list, reaction video, etc. doesn't really have the same concerns for me.

@@MockRockTalk That’s fair. Whatever you choose to tackle, I’m sure I’ll be entertained regardless. :)

i disagree. it's a good stance to have and i admire MR for taking it, especially in direct light of other smash youtubers biting this move-tier-list bit exactly as he does it

That’s just Steve.

"Remember, not worst, but least useful"

@@spiceitnow5317 toolless jab/fair/bair/utilt/dash

Still not as good as Brawl MetaKnight.

It’s kinda a side effect of asking a bunch of character discords. Because you remember the 20 times you got punished for using a down air that you’ve used 1000 times total more than the 0 times you were hit out of a side special you used 0 times total.

That would be a cool touch

What if he also got the sapling as an item?

Well i mean we don't actually think kirby dair is the worst move in his kit, it's mostly a joke within the kirby main community (which sucks ass btw) In some ways however, hammer IS better than dair. Most people think hammer is a completely useless move, but hammer actually has a few uses. It's great at shield breaking, it kills at like 15% which is great for shield breaks and it's surprisingly good at ledgetrapping, like ACTUALLY good at ledgetrapping (though it's uses are quite niche ngl)

@@santiagobarraza28 I don’t think it 2 frames and it’s very slow. Well, I don’t play Kirby so I can’t say anything

@@El_Mince oh nonono i didn't mean that kind of ledgetrap although it does 2 frame iirc, might be wrong tho Like i said, its uses are very niche but they do work, hammer might be slow while using it in the ground... ever though about using it in the air? Kirby can jump while using hammer and if you release hammer the exact moment you jump then hammer will actually be quite fast and even lagless. It's even better when you remember that aerial hammer has a double swing, which is great for: shield breaking on platforms, catching jump from ledge, catching attack get up (with the double swing), catching neutral get up (again, with the double swing) and the lagless aspect of it can be useful for doing a quick back air or ftilt or even downsmash if they roll, it does require you to get the right timing though

@@santiagobarraza28 Huh. Thanks for the info

@@santiagobarraza28 it does 2-frame

That move's "extra rage" also has a recharge. If you use it once, you have to wait about 8 seconds for the move to get the extra rage multiplier back, otherwise it just scales with normal rage (you can tell when it comes back by a glow in the Mii's foot). This was obviously a necessary balance mechanic and Onslaught would've been incredibly broken and meta defining without it.

@@supernutz1262 i assume you're being sarcastic lmao

@@iknowwhereyoulive618 Yeah, I have no idea why they implemented that mechanic lol

As an onslaught obsessed fanatic myself, other random thing is that the launcher has fixed weight set to true, which force sets all characters weight to 100 for kb calcs, and they are only effected by normal hitstun gravity(around 1.8) for about 10 frames before going back to their default gravities. Mythra's nspecial had this before being patched. This means onslaught kills ganon earlier than pichu

Yo thx for all the likes lol

VERY hard to do because it's a property that actually pops up all over the place, case in point: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6otYQPH0FiQ.html So that's gonna spiral pretty quickly into a "let's rank most moves in the game" video without some more restrictions on it lol

There are also hitboxes that only hit aerial opponents that have a trip chance too funnily enough

Kazuya's tripping kick wins. Lol

It's the Apex guy that makes no sense!

@@MockRockTalk I'm legit curious. What if you just rank the ones that are most likely to trip / trip most consistently? Just set an arbitrary (albeit on the higher end) percentage chance of a move tripping and go from there? Obviously, this is still tripping we're talking about, but no one can ever claim that there isn't a competitive meta for style points acquired due to your opponent's bad luck, lol. Speaking of other randomly occuring events in Smash, do screen and star KOs have the same or consistent chances of happening, or is there actually a way to change those chances during a match, aside from just using certain items?

I play a lot of pac-man and yeah.. his utilt is only an occasional anti-air but he has better moves that do the same thing. It kinda combos into up-smash but thats still assuming you land it

I’d say as a Pac-Main, both are actually pretty good! Utilt gets way too much ire from people who don’t know about it’s use, it’s really good out of Galaxian from ledge or Bell at low percents, and it combos very very well, so I’d say it’s average and very underrated. It also is very disjointed and lagless so it's a great platform pressure tool, compared to worse Utilts like Rosa or Ivy or Ganon. Dtilt is also a great safe poke so it's not in contention. I’d say his worst move is Usmash since it’s way too overcommittal unlike his tilts and it doesn’t work half the time, especially during Bell, and you’re way better off doing Fsmash, Bair, or Side B, since they kill around the same percent. It’s also outclassed OOS by Fair Nair Dair and Fruits, and for juggling you’re better off using Utilt or catching landings with Fruits or dash attack since Pac Usmash is thin. Not bad at all, all of Pac's moves are good, it's just Usmash has way less going for it and is very inconsistent. Tldr: All of Pacs moves are good and Usmash is outclassed in every way while Utilt is very underrated

Its such a lame move, i wish he kept his Smash 4 uptilt.

His up tilt can actually be a fantastic combo extender

to play devils advocate: uptilt isn't an actual move, and thus is ineligible

Upb doesn't have an hitbox and is easier to 2f so it's not a bad use at all But yeah it's prob his worst anyways his kit is busted lol

Pyra wasn't a super solidified choice (actually probably the one I feel least strongly about for any of the newcomers), I could see a case for down smash as well

Pyra's up-tilt is a pretty good kill move (kills earlier then up air I believe) that has huge range. There's a reason why Nairo wants Cosmos to use up-tilt more often.

Flame nova sort of has the same use as down-smash as well, and you can use it in the air

@@Snyper077 and it’s completely and utterly unpunishable when charged

Yeah, Flame Nova is basically a better Pyra Down Smash

Oh yeah, if Homing Missile counts under the criteria then it's 100% the pick, no argument here!

Ya

Nah, My girlfriend just recently picked up Smash Bros and instantly loved Kirby...Unfortunately she didnt realise that there are more buttons and combos than just "B" so Hammer spam is the way to go and its her fave move....she doesnt even know you can walk, turn or charge it up...thats just how I picture all Kirby Mains.

Never played any Mega Man but that’s very interesting

Sheik mains watching bowser mains complain about a move only doing 14:

Yeah most of the time as Bowser you’d rather Pivot Ftilt, Pivot Utilt, Side B, or approach from the air. Dtilt at least kills pretty well and is a fine enough move that is overshadowed while Dash attack is a legitimately bad move that really does nothing for Bowser and gets you punished for using it.

I remembered one time I had a Sudden Death match with Bowser and I somehow lived at 300% from his dash attack. Yeah, his dash attack is that bad.

Down tilt is completely outclassed by side tilt while dash attack is still his best horizontal burst/catch landing move while remaining grounded

@@YounesLayachi like I said, even though it’s fast, bowser has up smash to catch landings which also has invincibility frames, and bowser has dash cancel f tilt. F tilt may be slower, but it has tough guy frames and it has more shield pressure. Besides, down tilt at least has a use in two framing even if it’s outclassed by f tilt in almost every way. Dash attack literally gets outshined by all of his moves

Plus I just think it brings them more to the mentality of which move is worth sacrificing that reduces the least amount of a character’s viability… …or in Yoshi’s case, worth sacrificing to increase a character’s viability

@@Cyprimm Late again, but that’s actually a good point. A character’s “worst move” should just be about which move is bad within the *actual* character like is it to situational or is it basically downright unusable instead of having it compete with other moves because that’s just unfair from a standpoint.

if we isolated discussion strictly within the characters kit, almost every up b would be off the table because you would never want to lose your recovery move. that makes it impossible to discuss chrom's up b even though it's his biggest weakness as a character. it's one of the last moves you would want to remove from the kit, but at the same time it's really the only thing in his kit that's preventing him from being an amazing character. i feel like the question "which move would you most want to replace with the majority of other moves in that slot?" feels appropriate to me. it avoids the down smash problem from pjiggles video; you're going to see most characters spamming their nair or fair way more often than their down smash because aerial approaches are just a much larger part of smash than punishing a wide horizontal space around you. the general design of down smashes are just made to solve a relatively specific problem. having a situational down smash is just not as big of a deal as having a situational nair. we don't have to be giving every character gnw up b or shulk monado arts. move slots generally are dedicated to specific functions, such as up bs being recoveries, or ftilts being fast pokes, and if you can generally see a plethora of options that would be more useful than the move a character actually has, it's probably a sign that the move is a pretty large weakness in that context of their kit.

@@russellhassan7773 well that has a gigantic issue too. Some moves are way more important than others. If a character had an up throw that did healed their opponent and did 100 self damage, and a kinda bad nair, theyd choose nair for a replacement because its just more important, even if the up throw is hilariously bad.

Maybe, but if it wasn't being replaced in this hypothetical than removing an important move like an recovery even if it was really bad would not be great

Yea I was confused by that, Big D used it a lot in his tournament run.

I will say their worst move now is their down air is feel so floaty for a stallen fall that is just too easy to punish

@@theenderkirby939 or down smash. i actually use down air way more often because it combos into fair at low percents (desynced) and it's a part of the dthrow (footstool dair) [fsmash] true combo that is extremely useful and kills early

@@nastyfrogproductions fair enough ICs are my in my top 5 least used character to begin with and from my pretty minimal expriience from them now I can get your point with no problem thanks ^^

@@theenderkirby939 👍👍👍

Honestly even with this knowledge, I would still absolutely say his Dair is worse than skewer. If not then as bad as skewer. Dair's only advantages, its start up at 11 frames and how it kills at very high percents, are not very good. 11 frames is not very fast in a game where quick aerials are universally common, and its kill power is nothing to write home about. Ridley's dair does have a unique quality of being the strongest spike of all down airs which is a unique title. But its far too unwieldy to use consistently as a spiking tool and this is more of fun trivia than an upside to me. and its downsides of -no intangibility -incredibly easy to challenge in the air -no horizontal hitbox -no shockwave -GROSS 32 frames of landing lag Its unsalvageable. Skewer's startup is more generous than the landing lag of dair.

@@Krona-fb4dn Skewer is a tiny 30 frame move bruh, you can at least use down air to try to trade when being juggled while skewer has no practical application at all.

@@thehuman2cs715 I can tell you don't play Ridley. Skewer is 30 frames, after that its actually done, *Dair has 32 frames of landing lag*, at least when used optimally, skewer is a good distance away. Dair is just one stagnant hitbox that is extremely easy to punish and see coming. Skewer works great with tech chases which ridley DOES get plenty of opportunity to go for with for dthrow and ftilt and dtilt.

@@Krona-fb4dn bruh Ridley is my secondary, I can tell you I use down air a fair bit but don't think I've ever seriously used Skewer. Sure down air isn't good but at anything below top level an 11 frame down air is still plenty fast enough for what it needs to do.

@@thehuman2cs715 32 frames of endlag for 11% is not gonna be worth it. Also you should never use dair. Getting a tech chase with skewer is actually a thing you can do and reasonably do as Ridley.

True bro. Pits f tilt is garbage.

It still has respectable range, though. And you can catch your opponent off guard. Not to mention it kills. I guess forward smash is better but I feel like up tilt is his worst move. Down tilt already combos and up smash is the better pressure move on platforms

@@julezzz_08 also true. Up tilt and f tilt are both very weak moves for pit.

I like using ftilt at ledge as its fast enough to use twice and outranges rolls. And if they jump? Well you're pit, they just entered disadvantage.

@@julezzz_08 It's tipper dependant, so it either puts opponents back in offstage or kills. UTilt can actually pick up both Jumps and neutral getups, trades with getup attacks and is decently safe to whiff. FTilt doesn't do anything if it whiffs outside of conditioning a jump, since whiffing it puts Pit in a million years of endlag.

What would be the worst now?

What IS the worst now?

I think the worst now is that fire sword attack

Even pre patch gale stab was better than blurring blade

being able to b-reverse and cancel it instantly into any attack is also an extremely effective conditioning tool and mindgame

I would still probably say that Flare is runner-up for worst move. It has uses, mainly in ledge pressure and shield break punishing, which Sephiroth is pretty damn good at, but the startup is horrendous and the consistent timing on Gigaflare means it's never gonna actually hit at high levels. It's a mindgame and not much else, certainly a use but not a fantastic one. Not to mention that standard Flare is _still_ borderline useless, even casually. Megaflare's the best of the three but still not great. As a Sephiroth main, I would personally say his worst move is *Forward Smash* instead. It's not bad on its own, but it's pretty heavily outclassed. Forward Tilt is way faster, way safer, has almost as much range, and it still kills reasonably early. Even if you factor in the Winged form's armor, Down Smash is _also_ faster and safer, has similar range, kills off the top, two-frames from a stupidly safe distance, and *obliterates* shield.

@@knowfake It doesn't cancel instantly, it needs to reach mega flare charge first

@@juniperrodley9843 incorrect, you can cancel it during first charge too

@@knowfake Yeah, seems I'd been given incorrect information about it

I'm not gonna pretend to be actually good, but I feel up smash is worse. It's so thin. I find counter gets me out of things or helps anti air recoveries

@@mor3gan285 Up smash is one of corrin's worse moves but I don't think it's THE worst. It has at least a few things going for it. (It consistently tippers on platforms which similar up smashes like marth's don't, and it also has corrin duck really low in the animation so you can hurtbox shift below lots of aerial attacks.) It's definitely one of the less useful moves though. I only use it at kill percents for platform tech chases.

Corrin's worst move is dash attack imo. It's slow and very punishable. Otherwise her grab or her counter are the other contenders. They suck too.

@@RandomNirvanaSXE Dash attack can at least give you combos at low percents. And the fact its so long lasting makes it decent for catching landings. It could honestly be way better though.

Thing with counter is that you dont have to use it but you can, and having one is always nice as a mixup even tho corrins is probably the worst bc it sends up. Up smash has at least the tipper that you can use for tech chases on platforms or (too risky) anti airs, down smash covers multiple options for aerial drift (which probably could be covered by reactional back air better) or ledge getup/tech coverage. Dash attack is really just a fast burst option that ranges further than back air on the ground (is far less safe though). My personal worst would be Jab, being as fast as down tilt (both frame 5) and you just get more out of hitting a down tilt than a Jab + its hitbox isnt reliable for Jab-locks

I was honestly surprised it was considered his worst, but it makes sense when Sora's whole kit is pretty rock solid. Dair is honestly super useful in any situation where your enemy is below you (which, as "Sword Puff" Sora, is not infrequently), and they either don't have enough time to react or don't have anything that can beat it out. In my experience I almost feel like I get more kills off the top with it instead of Up-B. lol

@@ExaltedUriel Sora Dair is sometimes useful when your opponent is below you. Slot machine the down air.

Samus homing missile, ryu-ken jab 3, sheik multi-jab, etc would all be off the table

He didn't really have much of a choice considering the character discords chose each character's worst move though

Losing a bit of startup really made that big of a difference? Ice Climbers are definitely one of my biggest blind spots, surprised to hear that

@@MockRockTalk it combos into uairs for like 60 super easy damage, and with the buffs it combos out of landing aerials at low percents (in addition to being a pretty good burst option anyway) ICs in general are seriously misunderstood but yeah it's a really good combo starter and extender, in situations where they wouldn't be able to get anything else

They buffed the move in a patch, the hitbox got bigger so it actually connects properly when nana is there too. And you play icies, you know that's a big deal if you've landed a single up tilt up air

Yeah and there are even many decently easy D-sync confirms into it

I agree, it's scary and that's all it has to be, and even uncharged Flare is slow but can be useful for zoning. I'd say his worst move is either his jab or his down air. His jab is his fastest move but doesn't do great damage and isn't a good combo starter even at low percents, so it's only really useful for the normal jab fare like tech chases or a "get off me" at close range. And his down air has a pretty generous meteor hitbox on startup and you can do some alright cheesing through platforms and on the edge of FD/Battlefield-type stages, but the actual sword's hitbox is super narrow, it's punishable, and unless your opponent really bungles their recovery you're not gonna hit that meteor safely and it's a stall-and-fall so doing it offstage is basically a guaranteed SD. It has its applications but the downsides heavily outweigh the benefits.

@@ExaltedUriel Seph's down air is an amazing spike due to the long hitbox, when used at ledge it just destroys low recoveries

@@ExaltedUriel dair actually does have some decent use as a footstool punish out of shield since aside from nair seph’s out of shield is pretty awful, it’s still not great but for a stall and fall it isn’t the worst. Jab is absolutely his worst move over flare though, I don’t get how Mock thinks such a great conditioning tool is his worst especially when jab does next to nothing aside the bare minimum but that’s just me

Well whats worse

@@leaffinite3828 I would probably say fair because of the small hit box and the fact that rotated up b does its job a lot better

Down smash is a good get off me option and adds a lot of shied pressure.

The sour spot is easy to land and the sweet spot doesn’t compare to up and especially forward smash but it’s not a bad move, it’s outclassed but it has its uses over other moves

@@kappadarwin9476 Generally, if you’re playing pyra it’s the other way around, so down smash doesn’t serve much purpose in her kit. Pyra’s only good at finishing off characters so you’ll usually never be in a situation where you’re hunted, and if you ever are, then you can up b, use tilts, etc.

@@poweredvoltage3213 Yeah, I’m by no means saying it’s a good move really, I just think down smash is worse because there’s no reason to use it.

2 hour long *

As a Richter Main, whip dangle should've had that non-moving lingering hitbox from SC4

Fun fact: every usmash is jump cancellable within the first 3 frames. Its useless for every character except lucas, who gains full body intangibility frame 1 to idfk i dont play lucas. You may think im cappin here but check it out for yourself.

@@HippityhoppityGnW yeah, I’m aware of that; it’s still practically useless since it’s only a single frame (or two) of invincibility which is just too precise to make use of most of the time. It’s generally outclassed by parrying, though it theoretically could be useful for punishing certain multihits OoS. It’s extremely difficult though and I doubt anyone will actually make good use of it during ultimate’s lifespan lol

@@dunsparce3883 if a lucas player were to get consistent at that it would be a pretty good mixup or combo breaker. As is its p shit

​@@HippityhoppityGnW Honestly, it wouldn't even be that good as a mixup or combo breaker; in most situations in which you'd want to go for it as a mixup, parry or raw up smash is functional and _significantly_ more lenient, and as a combo breaker, most combos don't leave the target grounded, and shield is already a frame 1 combo breaker on the ground (aside from the fact that it can be grabbed). Attack cancel up smash (which I'll refer to as ACUS from now on) is, in my opinion, theoretically useful only against specific multihits on shield that do parry lock, but do not shield lock, and that are too safe to be punished using a normal OoS option or a raw up smash with invincibility. (By the way, the opponent hitting up smash's invincibility causes them, but not Lucas, to undergo hitlag, which makes them more minus on ACUS than they would be on shield, which is why an ACUS Fair could likely punish something that would normally be, say, -5 on shield.) If the multihit doesn't parry lock, you'd rather just go for the parry since it's easier, and if it's just punishable by a normal OoS option, you'd rather just go for that since it's also easier. The reason I feel like it's only useful on multihits is that the invincibility just does not last long enough to be useful for calling out most buttons that people will be using in neutral. There's just no way that you'd be able to call out someone's aerial down to the 60th or 30th of a second, especially when they themselves can't even consistently input it that precisely. Therefore, it's only potentially useful against moves that can be reacted to. Moves that are reactable on startup are almost universally already unsafe enough that they can just be punished directly out of shield, or out of parry, or on whiff, so there's no need for the extra frames provided by ACUS. The exceptions to this are multihits on shield, and projectiles. Projectiles do not cause the user to undergo hitlag if they hit an invincible opponent, so ACUS' niche of causing the opponent to undergo hitlag is gone versus them. This leaves only multihits on shield as attacks that could, theoretically, be punished by ACUS to any degree of consistency. Pikachu Nair is an example of something it could be useful on; it does parry lock, so Lucas can't just parry the final hit and punish with a tilt or something, but it doesn't shield lock, so Lucas is able to up smash between the hits, and it's only -7 on shield, so Lucas cannot normally punish it as his fastest standard OoS option is frame 10. In theory, Lucas could ACUS between the 3rd and 4th hits of Pikachu's Nair, and punish him with an aerial, likely Nair or Dair, since those are the least likely to be low-profiled. There are a few issues with this, though; one is that it's still extremely difficult, and the timing is unique for every single multihit it's applicable on. It's just not really worth it to practice this fully unique timing for every move it could theoretically be used against, especially when it's only helping you deal slightly better with one specific move in one specific matchup each time you practice it. This also doesn't even take into consideration that Lucas doesn't want to be shielding much at all in several matchups; many characters have dangerous grab followups, or they have other tools that can be used for shield pressure, especially considering that Lucas' most relevant OoS options are pretty slow at frame 10 and frame 12 (being Nair and Fair). Why would a Lucas player bother with ACUS OoS vs Pikachu's Nair when shielding leaves them extremely vulnerable to Pika's combo routes off of down throw, or to up throw>thunder, especially when Lucas has other tools for dealing with Pika's Nair and grab at the same time like Ftilt, Fair, Zair, and potentially even things like dash attack, PK Fire, or pivot grab? Point is, finding specific use cases for ACUS is already pretty hard, the timing is extremely difficult even in use cases that are tailor-made to favor it, and in practice, you usually don't even want to be going for it, since Lucas doesn't like shielding much in the first place.

Yeah, that might've been worth leaving in in retrospect, I agree with the video

He also made a video on Hammer Flip.

I don't think anyone has ever said Dair was totally useless but whatever lol

@@joshualeespiny7172 did you , watch the video???

@@eternaldarkness2367 did you? He said Dair did have uses lmao I don't know why you're asking

@@joshualeespiny7172 and several screenshots of the discord in the video said dair is trash and useless, so lemme ask you again, did you?

@@eternaldarkness2367 oh well yes I did watch the video and I didn't notice that

The sad thing is, in Melee her missiles had about as much power as you'd want them to (aka: they were an actual move), and in Ultimate, Mii Gunner of all characters has Samus's missiles from Melee, making the move currently outshined by a Mii!

That would just make Samus over powered

@@captainmega6310 Well if necessary then nerf charge shot to compensate, it would better suit her canonical abilities

Lol yeah

Yea. It's his worst move, dash attack, ftilt and dtilt are much safer poking tools. Dash attack kills is as safe as ftilt but not grabable and not Possible to punish with long range out of shield options

Down tilt

Fellow Dedede main, I disagree here. Its his fastest move and fairly useful, even if its fairly punishable. I see your logic though

Dedede main, I disagree. It's a very useful "get the fuck away from me" move since it's one of his faster moves and can two-frame (and kill at higher percents)

@@jointhetorterra completely agree!

@@an3_omx Fastest move, no, if I'm in a panic situation I'll use Jab, it has so much hitstun for a jab one and the end lag isn't any worse than d-tilt

@@techngamin Feels a lot less rewarding. Been a bit since I've played Dedede, so I dont quite remember