Ranking The Jedi Grand Masters From Weakest To Strongest 

Luke skywalker : a Jedi that was trained by grandmaster yoga. Rey : a person who was trained by nobody. Fan base: wow everything that you just said was wrong

@@skullyboy2135 Darth Zanna used the force to snap the necks of 2 fully trained Jedi knights, with no training. WHEN SHE WAS 9 YEARS OLD. So how exactly is what Rey did in the movies in any way without precedent?

@@LARGO125 it's not that. Snapping necks during a point of extreme fear and emotion is 1 thing but picking up a saber for the first time and beating A SKYWALKER, her picking up literally everything with no training being able to reverse mind invasion without even really knowing what the force is. Shes just the definition of a Mary sue not having to work for anything while being given everything. Its understandable the fan base doesn't like her

Lolol when I saw that I stood up and yelled BULLSHIT enjoying an agreeing applause from a fair bit of the crowd. And a couple of yeah true but shut the fuck up's aswel lmao

You are nice person

Luke:What do you expect me to walk out with laser sword and face down the whole first order? Me:Yes, that's why I am here

Defeats the first order by deflecting walker blasts back at them

@@muscleman2424 its actually like this: Luke:What do you expect me to do show up with a laser sword and defeat the whole first order? Me and Ray: Yes thats why Im here

So do I.

It’s a fuc!in light saber!!!!!!!!

They shat on him just to make rey look like she is the most powerful and the better jedi.

The Disney trilogy what’s that?

What is The Disney trilogy? It doesn't exist.

Disney go suck nuts the sequels are absolute garbage and crap. I legit threw a shoe at the screen with 10 random strangers at that movie. First time I was arrested 😜😝

The only reason I _may_ watch the Disney Triology is complete the cycle that began when I was 3 when ANH was released, and to see Han, Luke, and Leia (May the Force be with you, Carrie Fisher ...), plus Chewbacca, R2D2, C3P0, one last time ... However, if a certain actor/director, after _that_ scene in 'The Mandalorian', could pull off what every OG SW fan could ever have dreamt of, giving him the reigns to make the _Dark Empire_ into cannon, will make minds explode ...

Agreed

True.

I consider Disney Luke not cannon

@@Alex9971000 Disney Luke will become more like Legends in the 2023 re-release of the sequels. But for me, Legends is Canon, and even Disney is saying so.

I love your profile picture.

Legends is my canon

And looses to rey

he died like obi - wan quite poetic

Darth Revan Obi Wan gave himself to the force just like Luke.

Chaos Afterlife i know

Because THIS video explains Luke entirely, not the fictional Disney stupid Luke.

dude disney's luke was stupid but making him op would only make it more dumb, especially since ray is already a mary sue

Screw disney i hate them for what they did to Star Wars

Disney completely fucked Star Wars up. Fubar. I blame Lucas really.

the guy surpassed darth vader and fought palpatine he should be OP

And here I thought Galen Marek/Starkiller was OP.... jesus Luke personified OP

Damn... I just remembered reading this.. thank you

I love legends, but this is going too far imo

@@apomtaylor8054 Marek was as powerful as Sidious, and that guy's OP as hell, but not quite Chosen One.

@@Mr.Heller the chosen one wasn't on their level because he didn't reach his potential. Legends luke would 1 shot canon Anakin

Kreia: With the Force, anything is possible.

But since that wouldn't have served KKs SJW Agenda, we got the shitfest TLJ instead

Episode X, "Revenge of the Power Creep"

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻yess

Wow, what a nice story

An effective summary of why the EU was garbage.

@@Keldroc Try to find more then 5 people in the comment section who would back you up.

@@Keldroc You're a problem. Fix you.

I will support him.

Keldroc you misspelled Disney

lmao

force projection over several light years is quite difficult AND he did it after he cut himself off from the force for over a decade. its a great feat tbh

That's why both Rey and Yoda are more powerful than Luke in Canon. After Episode IX, Canon becomes more like Legends, even though Rey is the one who does everything Luke did in the Expanded Universe.

​@@obihugzenobi Yes, Rey is a Mary Sue, but that's not necessary a bad thing. Also, she has Force Lightning, and Luke does not. However, because Yoda was able to hold back Darth Sidious' Force lightning, he is more powerful than Luke and Rey. Who doesn't like someone use such an awesome display of power, like the use of lightning?

@@mikeor- I'm pretty sure in legends Luke has force lightning 🤔

I think that's what he meant by force bond. Could be wrong though.

Almost everyone felt it though. Cestus' master even described it himself.

Most Jedi felt the death and heard the screams of the death of the Jedi order

@@samrouth432 Yoda felt it on a deeper level though, whereas most Jedi would basically just notice their force "aura" i guess to diminish, Yoda can actually feel their pain and suffering when they die, that's why he stumbled in the movies during the battle of Kashyyk

nighthawkarmy Source?

Anakin was more powerful then Luke don't @ me

@@kmarch385 they were equally i think George Lucas said

Anakin was the most powerful jedi he just didnt use he power wisely n wasted it. Theres a reason he was called the chosen one

@@kmarch385 100% agree

@@unruly6475 that was more potential.

Then welcome to EvanNova95.

Same

the rabbit hole goes deeper than you can possibly imagine

Exactly why he did not give him props for the duel in episode 6, but gave him even more props for the duel in Dark Empire. As much as I hate the basic premise of those books, Darth Sidious coming back, there is no doubt that that duel signified Luke as being a much much more powerful Jedi Knight than he was at the end of the originals. He was able to contend with Darth Sidious who had the knowledge and skills and experience of his old self, With a body that was physically the prime of Sidious. That's an amazing feat

@@galenmarek4582 Dark Empire is a good representation of Luke coming into his own Jedi potential (even as garbage as the story might be). I do have a soft spot for the World Destroyers randomly enough.

⁠@@SephirothSuperKoolalso the Eclipse. I love that thing. And hey, it could always have been worse.

@Horses in the Back I think his training was different from Vader's. The story in the Dark Empire series of comics published by Dark Horse.

@Dragon50275 I disagree. I think Anakin had a profound and deep connection to the force. For example, look at the way he smashes Luke with objects during their duel in Cloud City in ESB. Even as a child he demonstrated his force power by being the only human who could pilot a pod racer. Isn't it Vader's strong connection to the dark side of the Force that allows him to live and exist in his horrible state, in his armor? Using pain, rage, and his connection to the dark side, to turn those things into pure power? Hell, now that I think about it, he caught Han Solo's blaster fire on his open hand in ESB....that's some force power if you ask me.

@Dragon50275 I don't think that's canon. Anakin was perhaps the Jedi Order's greatest duelist. In one on one combat he defeated Count Dooku, who was the greatest master of form 2(makashi) lightsaber combat who ever lived. When executing Order 66, he killed the Jedi master Cin Drallig in the Jedi Temple, arguably the greatest Jedi lightsaber master alive(besides Obi Wan). I don't really want to debate Obi Wan's mastery of Soresu, but he's simple invulnerable. No Jedi besides Anakin could do that without a strong, if not the strongest, connection to the force. Not to mention he broke from the darkside to kill the Emperor. Maybe I'm wrong. I often am. Perhaps we'll just have to agree to disagree.

@@starcontrol2 yeah man, Vader had lost most of his body, and therefore, lost a lot of his capacity to manipulate the force. Anakin was indeed powerfull and potentially the most powerfull ever, Vader was strong, but his potential was cut off when he lost to Kenobi. Anakin/Vader, is the most dramatic, powerfull and sad Arch of Star wars.

Nuno Assuncao wow. An amicable ending to a RU-vid debate..... this has never been seen before

Jedi Spartan anakin was the most powerful Jedi ever

@@tanakinskywalker7089 no Anakin had the POTENTIAL to be the most powerful FORCE user (not Jedi) but didn't reach his maximum potential. So Luke is the most powerful Jedi and most powerful force user. being a Jedi isn't all about the force, you need to be good at lightsaber dueling/fighting as well among other things.

cooljazzftw no anakin was the most powerful hid midi-chlorian count was the highest giving him more raw power than anyone ever

@@tanakinskywalker7089 but he didn't reach that power did he?

You seem to not realize how difficult that ability is

looks like Disney listened...

Does Sidious actually run Disney?

@Exar kun Castillo No it just ruins the games enjoyment

Nah it should have been= "Luke Skywalker OP,please nerf" -Mickey Mouse

and disney delivered

he doesnt have to he can walk on lava

That ability has brought pain to his family.

How is it that this three comment long thread on a youtube video is better than half of what I have seen in Tumblr compilations?

He doesn't need to.

Nobody can

So, Zym is stronger than windu, obi wan and revan

@@raulenriqueriuscodas3038 -- *_Zym is probably stronger in the Force than Windu, but not more skilled. Being a Jedi Grandmaster is the equivalent of being the Dark Lord of the Sith. You are the most powerful & skilled being of the order you belong to._*

Zym was probably not stronger in the force than Windu, the Grandmaster title in the context of being a Jedi is representative of prestige and leadership rather than outright strength as the Dark Lord of the SIth title is. It does not even remotely indicate that you are the most powerful/skilled Jedi: "Grand Master was a title bestowed on the oldest and wisest member of the Jedi Order" (Wookipedia). Windu was actually Master of the Order, which technically outranks Grandmaster, so if we're going by rank he's better than everyone on this list.

@@baller7387 -- _"Zym was probably not stronger in the force than Windu,"_ *_As a Grandmaster, he more than likely was._* _"the Grandmaster title in the context of being a Jedi is representative of prestige and leadership rather than outright strength"_ *_It's a combination of all of those aspects. We have loads of sources regaling even the rank of Jedi Master as indicative of great skill and power, and the same for Council members. The higher up you go in the Jedi Order, typically the stronger you are._* _"It does not even remotely indicate that you are the most powerful/skilled Jedi"_ *_It absolutely does._* _"Grand Master was a title bestowed on the oldest and wisest member of the Jedi Order" (Wookipedia)."_ *_Wookiepedia is a fan-edited/created page and not an actual source._* _"Windu was actually Master of the Order, which technically outranks Grandmaster, of if we're going by rank he's better than everyone on this list."_ *_The Master of the Order is the leader of the Jedi Council. The Grandmaster is the leader of the entire Jedi Order, even the Council._*

@Johann Guchte I see you took the time to respond to each individual statement I made, but apparently you didn't have the time (or common sense) to provide any factual basis for your counterargument. All you effectively did was say that I was wrong and you're right. Wookiepedia is just like Wikipedia: it is a fan edited page that cites credible sources. If you took the time to actually read any of their articles, you would know this. And no, you're entirely mistaken, The Master of the Order is the elected leader of the entire Jedi Order (use common sense), whereas the Grandmaster is the leader of the Jedi Council. "The office of Master of the Order was distinct from the title of Grand Master, the holder of which chaired the High Council". This is sourced from the book "Star Wars: Absolutely Everything You Need to Know". Additionally, Yoda himself says, per the Databank (a canonical encyclopedia for Star Wars knowledge) that the rank of Grandmaster is a title "reserved for the oldest and wisest living Jedi Master". Nothing about being the most powerful, just age and wisdom. If you have a superior source/sources and a counterargument that doesn't consist of "No, everything you say is wrong and everything I say is right", I'd love to continue the conversation. Until then, I'm going to operate under the assumption that you have no idea what you're talking about and are just another random YT commenter trying to start an argument. P.S.: Just rewatched the video. I suggest you watch 2:14 to 2:24, in which the poster says, and I quote, Zym is "not only the weakest of the Jedi Grandmasters, but quite possibly one of the most pathetic masters the Order has ever produced". Needless to say, that statement in itself invalidates your entire argument about Grandmasters being the most powerful and skilled by default. And you think this guy, who gets 1 shotted by a no-name bounty hunter, is more powerful in the force than Mace Windu? Mace Windu, who killed the most famous and skilled bounty hunter in the galaxy (Jango Fett), and defeated Darth Sidious in a lightsaber duel? lol.

Yet he went to the senate chambers to specifically kill Palpatine.

@@thelouster5815 and realized it was wrong

@@thelouster5815 if it really came down to it, Yoda would body sidious

would also like to see Revan in comparison.

Mettra should’ve been a grandmaster but the Revan novel didn’t understand her character and messed her up

Master Yoda yes

Master Yoda Yoda #1

Wow, get 75 likes..I did..Popular, I must be...

Very powerful you are indeed my little green friend

Almost 100 now

#disneyisnotcanon

You mean disney's dumpster fire dogshit!!! 😂😂😂😂

99% of the new Star Wars Canon is poorly written and is a really vague attempt at copping what came out of the extended universe and is trying to make another cash grab.

Disney Canon = not Canon at all. Gg no rm.

Nakrael The Archangel what canon isn’t Disney just fan fics

Yeah it seems like he was a great grandpa by the time of these comparisons. I'd like to know how powerful he was in his prime.

No, before that he couldn't lift any of the stones, but he could lift five after passing 700.

No. Yoda could not lift the stones even before passing 700.

mxlbabe yes he could

@@mikeor- That is simply BS. LOL

Phhst. What does he know lol

Not according to the idiot's at Disney they should of had luke have a son and he be the main character to go against kylo but not being able to kill hes cousin he trains a force user name Rey dont just do away with the Skywalkers name to me Skywalker and star wars go hand and hand

@@Timo11042 rofl, omg ty so much for letting me know George Lucas actually created star wars. Whats next, Han is Indiana Jones?

@@eddieash6189 No, Harrison Ford is though 😆 Im not even gonna roast you for saying that. You can spot the old fans from the new ones easily though.

Eddie Ash you shouldn’t hate him

@Wes Bradley-Taubner Don't forget she does it one handed with the other one holding tea while she saves everyone at the same time and makes the great moral decision not to kill the entire universe with a button press as we can't have dicey moral choices. Oh and she blinks away an entire army. Probably other stuff and she has to do all of this within a few seconds because movie time limits.

Alia Dawn lmaooooo FaceTimeing😂

Very underrated comment lol

Fkin skype lag lmao

That's Disney talking. Think for yourself!

It’s because Disney doesn’t like it when there is one character above all others

Yup. Utter stupidity. Mara Jade was awesome

Satele, bastila also

Mara Jade, Satele Shan and a lot of other are probably too hot for disney to handle i guess...

They threw away Kreia and gave us Rey. Let that sink in for a minute. Kreia, the greatest Star Wars character bar none, discarded. A philosophical woman of high intellectual standing who has no sex-appeal because it is not important to her character. What could be more empowering for women to be judged on their philosophical and intellectual merit? Nope. Better discard that and instead give us a pasty, bland macho-woman who simply can do everything for no reason, who has the brain of a monkey, because why think when you can just be awesome?

my first introduction to mara jade as a kid though was through the pc game mysteries of the sith.

What about when he used astral projection to fool Kylo Ren? No? Oh well.

@@Larsholden702 he did that in Legends too to Darth Caedus (aka Jacen Solo aka his ACTUAL Nephew, fuck the Sequels.) Except he not only projected himself, he projected an entire fleet of warships so convincing that it fooled the scanners of the Star Destroyer Caedus was on. And the best part? HE DIDN'T DIE AFTER USING IT!

@@SoraMatt i'm 99% sure if Darth Caedus wasn't luke's nephew, he would have been kill right after he killed mara

@@diooverheaven4317 no not really because Luke made the point that Mara would not have fallen in love with the man who took vengeance for her and gave in to the Dark Side to do it. Nephew or no nephew he knew. And that was quite the distinction he made when he began battling the Lost Tribe of the Sith a few years later.

@@SoraMatt I'm talking about after Jacen kill mara he pretty much shown himself and luke would kill him sooner

Sums up my main problem with TLJ, but I knew some Bs was up when the First Order was literally destroying multiple planets at a time and dude was no where to be found.

@Kung Olaf then what is star wars about?sjws?

I take it this way: Luke cuts HIMSELF off from the force. Rey convinces him that's bad. Seemingly without difficulty he restores a connection to the force in a matter of days. Luke, while being probably in his worst state, managed to create an inter-planetary ranged perfect force illusion for an extended period while also using the force to see exactly what is happening on the planet. Pretty ridiculous, but not on par with him at his prime in any way.

@@FromAgonyToLight that's nothing compared to who Luke REALLY is if you think

@@robespierre2837 I wasn't fucking saying that's who he really was! Damn you got triggered hard

Thank God right now there are discussions that they are going to make the sequel trilogy an offshoot in the timeline. They have to. It sucks so much.

YES! Now release your ANGER! Then you will complete your journey to the Daaaaaark Siiiiide!

Screw disney

@ No need to be an asshole here

@ do you hate sand?

Imagine how powerful he would have been if he wasn't a simp...

I think ankain could of been more powerful than luke anakian was bassically the force its self in legends darth plagues and sidos created him by accdent the force rejected them

@@Tobyh214well that’s not true. George Lucas said Lükè and Leia had the potential that Anakin had

Broom so luke creepily lurked into kylos tent as an instinct? How does kylo have more darkness than vader who has killed far more people and done darker deeds. Striking back in anger after vader threatened luke is not the same as contemplating whether he should kill his nephew. Even for the briefest moment its an insult to his character not to mention turning on his lightsaber. Also this is grand master luke who is far more attuned in the light side of the force than the luke we saw in return of the jedi.

Canon Luke made no sense whatsoever. All thanks to Rian Johnson manipulated by Kathleen Kennedy. As long as he put Mary Sue Rey as a Grandmaster Jedi where she didn't even believe in the force a week earlier, completely destroying Luke and Leia's characters meant nothing to her.

Legends Luke is fucking ridiculously overpowered. He's that strong only because he's the hero and the hero always wins ans surpasses its opponents. This is complete bullshit made by fans who just wanted to make him stronger and stronger every time.

Roberto Centeno Jake Skywalker

to their credit, we did get some cool ship designs. And Finn, who is convenient enough of a character to be enjoyable, even if his knowledge doesn't make sense.

@ serious question: what tf are you even doing in this channel?

@@jakobrenner2230 I know right.

@ To quote billy madison: "What you just said, is one of the most insane and idiotic things ive ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

@ Wow.... thats some serious self reflecting dude. But seruously, you dont have to talk about yourself that way.

@ To quote buzz lightyear: " you are a sad strange little man, and i pitty you"

Ofc he couldnt mention that. Lukes force choke though impressive was very weak. Look at Leia's skinny arms. She showed Luke how to choke properly with her bare strengthXD.

People forget that Jedi are people - with all their faults.Lightside heroes can and do dip into rage, passion, and hate, i.e. darkside all the time. That’s why Jedi continually preach to be mindful of their feelings, to recognize when base human emotion is getting the better of them. All the same Obi beats Maul when he gives into his anger, and Luke does the same when he beats Vader. Lightside hero’s use the darkside often. It’s turning away from the path that’s key.

Oddly enough, all the Luke fanboys are having a hard on celebrating this nerfed up op books Luke are overlooking that Disney was actually closer to Lucas Luke than the books. Luke was always portrayed surpassing Vader, but not Palpatine. Return of the Jedi shows Luke Skywalker being fairly weaker than Yoda. Maybe Luke continued training under dead Yoda. Otherwise, this description of Luke being so powerful is just out of no where and terrible.

@@younglove3362 Somehow you managed to make a post that is all over the map and really going nowhere. How on earth do you come to the conclusion that the Disney version is closer to Lucas' work? While i do agree on that Luke in some of these books versions are OP, I really can't see how that should make the Disney version closer to Lucas' work. Read your own comment again yourself. You are answering it yourself (kindda) and then you just say it can't be true and go in denial(countering yourself),then out of nowhere you got a Disney comparison that is waaay off.

@@Ianthe22 Simple, I say being sarcastic asking a rhetorical question and basing my conclusion off canon work, not speculation or fan favorite books. Evidence of Luke being extremely vulnerable in return of the Jedi already proves the whole thing that Luke is stronger than Vader but weaker than Sideous, basically showing that Luke is weaker than Yoda with using the force. That's how I came to the conclusion.

and later they bang. Also Satele Shan is a horrible mother. Shr choose the Jedi Code over his son.

@@waifuhunter9815 She chose as she feared she would fall to the dark side.

She was a very strong force user and duelist I kinda believe her skills are on par with yoda

Couldnt defend like that, gun's laser and sith lightening still acceptable but disney feminism is a comedy...

@@sugam27 it is not Disney Canon and she kicked a sith across a ship with a single kick no force enhancement that I know of and her fight with malgus she nearly killed him malgus had to get a lot of cybernetics

Yea no. Luke was never at any point stronger than Abeloth or the Father. I love Legends Luke but that just isn't true. The only reason why Luke and Krayt were able to beat her was because together they represented both Light and Dark (Daughter and Son basically), Krayt was Force draining Abeloth ( and Luke but not as much), and BECAUSE they were fighting her in the Force dimension THEY were both more powerful than usual AND were able to directly affect Abeloth's Force spirit in a way that was impossible in physical form. Both Luke and Krayt were basically prepared to die to kill her.

What

Just came back to this and what you tried to spin as fact is still astonishingly wrong. Lot of people clearly never read Legends books and have terrible memories. Luke was Grandmaster long before Abeloth took the stage. 1v1 Luke gets clowned by Abeloth. Talking about an entity that casually nukes cities with the Force, dominates planets with her mind, and threw off the Force net technique of hundreds to thousands of Sith and Nightsisters simultaneously killing them AND fighting off Luke, Ben, Darth Taalon ( Council level Sith Lord) and a strike team of Sith. Luke directly fights Abeloth at least 4 times and is near dead or easily defeated each time.

Right? This guy has no idea what he's talking about, but about the last thing you said, I thought Abeloth had far surpassed the father, could be wrong though, can you enlighten me?

@@pattzilla8602 Its debateable whether or not Abeloth surpassed the Father but she was at the very least comparable to him.

Oh yeah, a Sith version would be cool !

EvanNova95 sith lords and if you do the sith apprentice you should do Jedi knights who were just as powerful

down for the Sith Apprentices

EvanNova95 Hey amigo what did you think of the last jedi? We all know how powerful luke skywalker is do you think they did him an injustice? Plus what do you think of master Rey? Afterall she bested luke in a sparring match, never taught the 7 forms, nor the force.... i think rian johnson made her grandmaster now.....in 1 year. Lol

Great video as always Evan! Just wondering how is the versus series 6 finale is coming along been looking forward to it for a while 👍

Daniel Games Lucasfilm is the one who creating this Garbage, Disney’s just stamping it and saying okay, and Don’t get me Started on Star Wars Theory, he used to be an awesome RU-vidr until he started lying to his Subs about supposedly Inside Knowledge about TLJ and then come Movie time, it goes entirely the opposite way he told us it would, and what I really don’t understand is why People stayed Subscribed to him after it was Revealed he was a liar, oh and btw I’m sure I’m going to get a lot of hate for this but his Fan Film was total Garbage, and he lied after that too, saying that Lucasfilm saved him from a copyright Claim when they had nothing to do with it!!! I don’t care about his content, I used to enjoy it I just hate that he’s lied so many times and nobody has the guts to call him out on it, Star Wars used to be fun but now it’s just another Political Battleground.

Hunterpait Disney hired the people for the sequels and then used ‘Lucasfilm’ which is used for all Star Wars movies and series. Disney ruined ‘Lucasfilm’

@@12zack1 he...lied. well that's interesting never heard of this

@@tedpogue6531 This was years ago lol, but I remember him lying about the copyright strike acting like it was from Lucasfilm when it was from a music company for using his songs, he said Disney bailed him out but literally a week later he admitted on Twitter that Neither Disney nor Lucasfilm had anything to do with strike, he said he was misled but it’s obvious that he was trying to generate attention at the time for his gosh awful fan film, no one can say they were misled by a copyright strike lol, RU-vid tells you exactly what was the offense and who called for it. This is just 1 instance, I could say more about how Star Ware Theory has lied over the years but it would take too long to write lol

Or having a really whiny annoying voice.

Jeff .C He is also the Joker so...

lol this comment is the greatest thing I have read in some time!

Immunity to JJ Abrams utter contempt for a noble, iconic, and beloved saga would have sufficed, but I believe that was implied in your statement anyway. I completely agree. #fireJJ #REBOOTPLEASEANDTHANKYOU

Musa Elabbasi I think that he meant The Last Jedi, which was directed by Rian Johnson. JJ didn't really do anything with Luke.

Drugs are bad, mmkay? You shouldnt do drugs, mmkay? Mr Mackey'll teach you all how to avoid drugs, mmkay?

@@aceundead4750 Mackey, this is a Star Wars fan base. Begone!

It wasn’t the political stuff that annoyed me nearly as much as everything else. It was 1/4 A New Hope with better tech, 1/4 Legends and 1/2 garbage

Leanne Fresquez You and me both and don’t give me that Hammill is too old to be doing fight scenes when in the prequels Palpatine’s actor and Christopher Lee were actually doing some of the fighting :

Vid0907 getting his ass beat by rey was compelling? acting like a scared mouse was compelling? yeah that made look up to him way more than before...how can you say hes more "human" in cannon when through out the thrawn trilogy he had self doubt in his abilities to teacher others and if jedi should be involved in politics, also his feelings towards mara, and during his battle with his evil clone luuke he questioned himself if he would turn into the evil he vowed to destroy. there's full of self doubt and ways that showed his flaws in him through out the novels/comics while still standing up for what's right and what's good for the people. and that's more compelling than what we got in TLJ.

Vid0907 - Canon Luke is NOT more compelling. Canon Luke had his entire character assassinated... While his fear of being responsible for another Vader is one thing, if you really look at his character during the original trilogy, while it is realistic to think he could make that mistake... that DOESN'T mean he would just decide, "oh... I screwed up. I guess I'll just go die and let the bad guys take over." Canon Luke is a complete and abject coward, pure and simple, who could not take responsibility for his mistakes... NOT a compelling case for the hero that stopped the Empire. Not to mention that Luke ended up getting sucked into the whole sort of poorly written narrative that has plagued canon. Think on this for a moment... Luke Skywalker, the man who outdueled Vader and surely improved as a duelist since "Return of the Jedi" was completely and utterly DOMINATED by a girl with no formal training whatsoever. Now... since running away to die, I'm sure some things got rusty... but there is NO way that an untrained force user like Rey should have been able to dominate him as easily as she did. And if you find THAT compelling... I really don't know what to say. I'm all for having strong female characters. Star Wars has a history with that, especially if you go into Legends. But it shouldn't writing a story simply for highlighting strong female characters. The character must fit a convincing story... And you really DON'T have that in canon beyond the fact that Rey is the Goddess of the Force...

Vid0907 - The case with Luke has little to do with his power. It is ENTIRELY due to his character. Think on it for a moment... He was startled by a force vision that made Ben appear bad or that Ben was being manipulated and he made a mistake... THAT much is believable. However, instead of recognizing the mistake and taking responsibility for it... he fled and didn't even tell Leia he was going off to die. That is completely irresponsible and is the sign of a coward... If they wanted him more human... that's fine. But they don't need to make him a coward to do it. They destroyed his character for no reason. That has nothing to do with "power levels."

Vid0907 - He felt the galaxy was better off under the rule of a militaristic organization that has no qualms with murdering political opponents and potentially entire planets to force the Galaxy to bow to them? Why did he fight the Empire then? He said flat out in A New Hope that he hated the Empire. And now he's run and hid from an organization that worships it. Being ashamed of a mistake is one thing. Wanting to die as tyranny takes over the galaxy is QUITE another. And in that, what Luke did is complete and utter cowardice. Making a mistake is NOT an excuse to run and go off to die. I can understand being ashamed... but to decide to just die is NOT in Luke's character. There is nothing in the original trilogy that would explain that... From what we know of Luke's character from the original trilogy, while he may go into some isolation to learn how to counter Snoke and his great power... he would still be responsible to Leia, apologize for his failure and promise to set it right. To not even admit the mistake until cornered on it... THAT is cowardice pure and simple, as he's apparently afraid of being judged on that failure. He may not have wanted to fight her, but that doesn't mean his only option was to just keep her at arms length and then fall on his butt. All that did was give her the initiative and momentum in the fight and allowed her to dominate him. Even all she was doing is letting off steam, she'd been given the initiative because Luke wouldn't do anything to hold her back... Like say... lift her into air so she can't move and talk to her like a grown up... Instead he gave Rey the advantage and she took advantage of it and dominated him for it.

He would use the dark side but I get what you are saying.

@@JonJon-wf5yj That's what he just said

Nope, Yoda himself said the dark side is not stronger, just easier.

I agree

Is he even Jedi Grandmaster in Disney version? I haven't seen the Last Jedi, and I'm not going to watch it. But based what I have gathered, I get impression he's just bitter old hobo, who had massive potential, but never actually became even equivalent of a regular Jedi knight, because there was no one left to teach him. Does he actually do anything, that's more than what he is able to do in the original trilogy?

@TheKowHunter disney needs to go back to doing what their actually good at, animations.

@TheKowHunter yea, rip good star wars, it will be remembered well.

*_Implying Kit Fisto is weak._*

By that point in his life Luke would be fighting Abeloth

Marcos Lugo who was still a dozen times more powerful then luke and cause him to have to team up with Krayt thats what I loved about legends even when the heroes got more powerful so did the villains and enemies

@@iantheweird1384 Yet she knew he was nothing to shrug off, that alone says something.

Kathleen Kennedy: You can't win, fans. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine. Fanbase: As you wish. (Ousts her from power) It's over Disney! Release the sequels as they're SUPPOSED to be, and not say that there is no source material. Disney: You underestimate my power! (Does not re-release the sequels)

@@mikeor- Fans: So be it. *riots*

@@justincummings8557 That's the problem with modern Disney. They refuse to acknowledge their failings, and just keep moving forward. Perhaps that's why they won't re-release the sequel trilogy, and make us live with what we got. Which is a shame, because I wanted Luke to have a viable reason for leaving the galaxy behind. I wanted to see an extremely powerful Jedi Master, not a milk-drinking hermit who is too afraid to even follow the ideals of the Jedi.

@@mikeor-and I didn’t want a Mary Sue who even I could kill with the most basic amount of lightsaber training. Seriously Disney. Making original content is cool and all, (which the Sequels weren’t. Not truly), but at least try to show that you cared about whether or not it was actually good.

@@justincummings8557 I agree, but Disney is a company too big to fail. It wasn't all bad. After all, they were responsible for Mandalorian, which is the best TV show after the Clone Wars.

Or at least, he was. Thanks Disney

Luke in the EU gets absolutely ridiculous, and it's awesome. Not to mention how he abolished the rules of the old council and created a much better Jedi Order.

Luke is the most powerful jedi master in history, surpassing even yoda in legends. He is what anakin failed to become.

You have to grain of salt that though. Most of this is based on EU/Legends, which goes kind off the rails a bit, especially where Luke (and other OT) characters' futures are concerned. Kind of like "power creep" in a video game.

​@@josecarabantes7019 Nah, according to George Lucas, Yoda is the most powerful Jedi ever. Also, Kyp Durron is stronger than Luke in legends, though not as skilled with the lightsaber.

Not really, no. He said he could only lift five

There were 7

laucorn123 Take an iconic character from half a century ago and decide to change pretty much every aspect of his character just for the sake of telling your own damn story which isn’t even good to begin with . I hate to say it but Star Wars probably would have been a lot better if it was merged into the MCU.

+Lonnie Dearing Which is why I would join the Star Wars Legends movement. All they want is for Lucasfilm to continue Star Wars Legends separate from the new movies and better content from Lucasfilm I might add. With the Star Wars Legends movement you get nice people, good conversation, and they have already donated ten thousand dollars worth of Star Wars books to children's hospitals in California and Florida. You can find them at: facebook.com/groups/533341320109211/ facebook.com/groups/198319927202313/ facebook.com/groups/eurebellion/ facebook.com/sw2c1u/

The way Luke acted in TLJ was entirely justified and in line with the character, just the same as Legends Luke was. They both represent different ways the character could have progressed as he aged.

+Robert Fancyman Not really justified and not really in line with the character. Luke in TFA and TLJ hid out on a planet on the edge of the galaxy while everything literally and figuratively went to hell. This is not keeping in line with Luke's character. This isn't in line with his character and where the OT left him at the end of ROTJ. Luke wouldn't abandon his friends and live on obscure planet for 30 years. He didn't abandon his friends in ESB when he trained on Dagobah. When his friends were in trouble at Cloud City he dropped his training and left to rescue his friends. He didn't do that in definitely didn't do that in TFA or Han Solo would still be alive. Luke wasn't someone who would let failure consume him and hide out somewhere. Luke was hopeful in the OT and was set to fulfill what Kenobi and Yoda trained him to do. TLJ butchered that by him failing to revive the Jedi Order and not pursuing a way to revive a second time after he failed the first time. Also Luke spends the entirety of ROTJ with the plan to redeem his father, believing he can redeem Anakin, and succeeds in doing so. How is it you go from that to trying to kill his nephew for being tempted by the dark side and Snoke. Luke didn't give up and let failure consume him after his loss to Vader in ESB, he could have but didn't. Same can't be said for Luke "Jake" Skywalker.

I don't want to get dragged into an internet argument over this, so I'll just state my reasons for thinking it worked and we'll leave it at that. Luke was consistently shown to be someone who had moments of weakness, like when he gave in to the Dark Side for a few moments and defeated Vader. When he was standing over Kylo with his lightsaber ignited, it was a moment of weakness. He had seen the galaxy put through so much sadness and destruction the last time he'd seen that kind of darkness, and even then he was about to put his weapon away when Kylo woke up. Just that single moment of weakness left the Jedi Order destroyed once again, with all his students either dead or turned to the Dark Side. That shattered his confidence in training Jedi, it made him think that him being around would be bad for the galaxy, so he went into hiding to protect his friends and the innocent of the galaxy from his failings as a person. His self-imposed exile was his way of protecting his friends, not abandoning them. Misguided or not, he didn't know any better way.

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The easy part is the guy that was killed by Jango Fett, he should be dead bottom

I mean #1 wouldn’t be since Luke became the most powerful Jedi of all time at one point

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Great. Also better than TLJ.

Awesome speech.

Better than anything sequel trilogy.

Facts

Kathleen Kennedy is officially a Sith. It's cannon now.

+Josiah jenks Can I please sell your calcs? Been doing SW calcs myself so interested in this a lot.

What do you mean by "sell", exactly?

So basically he should be killing everything he hits & blasting straight threw doors in one hit...Doesn't really look like he's capable of that since he really needs to "cook" someone to kill them.

he likes to inflict pain so yeah :D

I think he meant see, not sell.

Before legends ended they came out with a new sith order. Around the time of abeloth.

The only thing I can see here is that the Force was his strength. He was nothing without it

@@michaelcookielover6091 amazing, every word you just typed was wrong.

@@michaelcookielover6091 jedi are trained to use the force....THAT IS THE REAL LURE..not that bullshit last jedi that destroyed the whole jedi lure and back story that was established over the year..disney WROTE ray like that....there where jedi ACADEMY for a reason in the story and books..smh..dont believe those bullshit last jedi and force awaken movies...they fucked up starwars jedi lure

Whos mary sue?

@@johnndominguez3290 Rey aka nobody

In my opinion: 1. Luke Skywalker 2. Jacen Solo 3. Jaina Solo Fel 4. Kol Skywalker and Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader 5. Cade Skywalker 6. Nat Skywalker and Leia Organa Solo 7. Ben Skywalker 8. Anakin Solo I don't know enough to rank the rest, but Ben Solo aka Kylo Ren is bottom of the barrel, and Anakin Solo and Ben Skywalker might be interchangeable. It's been a while since I've read the Vong series and their other appearances. As for the rest, Luke is indisputable, Jacen is described as being better than Vader and it took an ambush for Jaina to defeat him, and even that didn't quite do the job so she is overall below him. I put Kol and Anakin together due to Kol's hype and confirmed abilities, and Anakin's just a beast. He isn't quite on par with Jacen or Jaina though. Cade has simply defeated opponents that I think would give anyone below him trouble. Nat and Leia are together because I believe I remember Leia being mid Council level, and Nat is kind of out of practice.

It's not even a question. Legends is just so much better on a lore level.

I think you mean original canon/extended universe. Don't call it legends. If you do, Disney wins.

I call it legends because it’s canon for the true Star Wars fan, for those that understand the disrespect that Disney has shown to Star Wars to this day

Ikr fuck disney

Disney just came and fucked it up, they made Vader child friendly compared to legends Vader

One Piece That’s because Marvel is still essentially Marvel .

Lonnie Dearing nope 👎🏻. Disney has a double standard. Star Wars is no longer Star Wars.

Lonnie Dearing also marvel isn't essentially marvel, everything is shitty besides the movies.

their are some major difference civil war was different from comic lore and infinity war part was different from the infinity war comics so that comic is quite factually wrong

@@OnePiece-yy1lu ST isn't cannon

AntiTroll1000 sadly.....Disney ruined Luke

I agree! Legend Luke is greater and has had better character development then anything Disney has it can ever do.

lucas Rozmus That’s exactly what my comment is saying. Legends Luke is greater than Disney’s failed attempt.

Being unfathomably powerful doesn’t necessarily make him a better character.

The Quartermaster its more than that, it’s how he developed in the story, which is much more in continuity with the movies than what we are getting now.

Well in the EU he fights Abeloth which/who is literally a god.

Wait... what? Almost a god is not the same as a demigod? What scale do you use?

Kinda but he was a Jedi master who became the grand master of the Jedi, not the Jedi grand master. It wasn’t until a bit later of being a Jedi master that he was competent enough to become the Jedi Grand Master.

Also, Quinlan Vos was still alive.

Luke became the grand master of the Jedi order because he was the most powerful jedi

@@grandmasterlukeskywalker530 Yeah but by default because every other Jedi b4 him were either killed or died .

@@amadocarranza5141 Pretty sure it's been stated that lukes the most powerful force user to ever exist, at least in the EU, not counting actual force deities

also revan was one of her ancestors to bad the blood line died out maybe ray is a descendant of revan one can only hope ha lol

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