RANKING THE WORST SUBGENRES OF ROCK & METAL (tier list) 

Imagine thinking Ska (the genre that Reggae is a subgenre of) is a subgenre of Rock 😂☠️😂☠️

Imagine thinking 2tone was where Ska started ignoring 30 years of prior history from Jamaica

And he even mentions Desmond Dekker like he was part of 2tone, learn music history Finn 😂

🤔 And how can you call MMBT "good" skapunk when they're not even skapunk, they're skacore

🤡 And you ignored all the REAL good ska punk bands like Operation Ivy and old Less Than Jake

Milo be like 🤓🎸

Finn is a nerd too

both those things can be true

Some nerds are chill and likable.

​@@ItcamefromtheVorrhI came here to say this LOL

Dude makes his living off talking about subgenres of subgenres and has a one man slam band. He knows he’s a total dork and is clearly including himself amongst those nerds.

Technically it’s like 1.25 people since I don’t do the vocals!

@@radshoesbro I think that would be more valid if he didn’t use nerdiness as a reason to dislike genres/bands

@@FinnMckentyPRMBA well done.

@@radshoesbro He listens to Olivia Rodrigo and wears a Cerebral Incubation shirt. He's a nerd for sure.

Dopesmoker is an amazing song or album or however it's defined

40s and its funny!

He wishes he was in his 30s lol

Not a virgin, but will listen to prog rock over butt rock any day.

its sarcasm

48 year old Virgin here.... I thank Finn fkr getting me into hick hop and Nintendo core

I still listen to and appreciate Jesus And The Mary Chain and Catherine Wheel I’m in my 40’s, and yeah I’m busy with a job mortgage and being married to give a damn, I got bigger concerns than someone opining on music they don’t like. You do you people.

i love that shit man, but i laughed my ass off with this!

@ghost mall it’s not low effort and it depends on the band, just like any genre.

In what way is Shoegaze lazy?. That’s one of the genres that allows for the most amount of creativity.

@ghost mall I don't think laziness equates to if music is good or not. There's spectacular minimalist music that is objectively lazy because it barely takes any effort to make.

But shoegaze is not supposed to be super technical or complex, its a genre fundamentally based on atmosphere and dreamy sounds and vocals. You cant judge a genre for not being what it never compromised to be.

He doesnt like elitists but looks down on many music fans.....

Robert Steinberger it’s a schtick..

Finn carries his gate around and hits whomever he wills with it.

@@robertsteinberger5667 It's a joke, dude

@@robertsteinberger5667 he doesn't like elitists ha that's why he likes fat mike but not Ben weasel fat mike is a notorious elitist

Theres a difference between liking nerdy shit snd being a nerd.

I doubt your smart enough to be a nerd.

Liking nerdyshit and being a nerd are different. I like anime but I'm not a weeb. There is seperation here.

@@richardlarkin4550 I think geek would be more accurate for most people. I've never been smart enough to qualify as a nerd.

@@danielflanard8274 it's subjective what a nerd is.

@ghost mall Never got Jam Bands. Just endless jams that never go anywhere but i suppose that's why it's named like that.

From my experience I’ll have to disagree. I’ve been listening to mostly just Shoegaze for a while now and most of the people I’ve met who also like it are really toxic and get really rude over simple stuff

@@iaminyourwalls4553 I'm sure there are pockets of toxic people in every genre regardless. But, in our experience in our own shoegaze band (Color Crush) they've almost all universally been very kind to us.

What's with everything being a "community", that is weird. Back in the day we had "alternative rock" and it was so broad a category that it'd include shoegazers, britpop, post-punk, goth, new wave, indie rock, indie pop, post-rock, post-hardcore, math-rock, ect., and noone was so defensive about the genre they loved the most. There was tons of cross pollination. And i think that's healthier if you're trying to make rock relevant again. Stop siloing off the sub-genres! They're all rock and they're all okay!

@@xxcrysad3000xx Well I completely agree for the most part, it's just natural as there's more genre mixing that each one kind of creates its own little group. You've got stuff like rap rock, blackgaze, and I seemingly endless collection of genres that would seem to have never been able to fit together. More often than not it's just people looking for something that is similar to what they already love which is where these communities spring up and create a bit of an echo chamber. I would too like to see more umbrella terms, but with everything being a little bit of everything else these days I just don't realistically see that happening.

And btw, is the US that has to answer for turning ska into whatever the fuck mustard plug is

Psychobilly is great, idk what people are on about. Just rockabilly with a high tempo. Living End, Koffin Kats, motherfukin Reverend Horton Heat. Awesome sound with the upright bass slaps and southern edge. Plus, Koffin Kats are a sight to behold live with some of the things Vic and Tommy do with the bass.

Majority of psychobilly fans in SoCal were hispanic kids

Im from Latin America and i remember those two weeks

Bad Religion has more Spotify monthly listeners in São Paulo - Brasil than in LA

How is that a surprise?

That's why it's always important to consider the source of any criticism.

His channel has been blatant click bait for years now.

from MBV to Turnover… wow his knowledge is diverse lol

It's just HIS taste. I love shoegaze and I don't listen to trap music. Doesn't mean I have to hate the guy or I can't enjoy his videos.

Anything that’s near indie Finn just will not like it, nothing wrong with that just means I’m gonna disagree a lot with this man

we do not care

@@brettveldboom2296 I feel like Finn does not like a lot of music that he talks about for some reason. It's weird, I think the only band really likes is like Attack Attack!

Spiritualized FTW!

Agreed, shoegaze is amazing

Ong.

Agreed like with black metal is fantastic

@@sadmarinersfan8935 sunbather being a perfect example

@@sadmarinersfan8935alcest does it right

He doesn’t know anything about Psychobilly, Psychobilly is way better in Europe and uk

For sure ! Calling psychos nerds love to see that happen dude would get stomped

I was about to say, there has to have been psychobilly acts that have played at Ace of Cups or Newport in Columbus. I don't think any other venues would cater to the genre.

@@andrewmaximo4485 newport has. Unsure on AoC, I'm pretty sure Bernies was the easiest place to get booked for anything punk adjacent before it closed. But back then, the punk/hardcore shows at legion halls and such were the most common places to play anything like that.

Ironic, since I graduated high school in 99 and a lot of people who bullied me listened to that shit even outside of Sublime. I bet they listen to 5FDP now.

It’s funny he hates the genre but listen to some of the band s

I like shoegaze alot and I'm pissed at Finn for putting it on this list.

imagine the rage when i'm a massive psychobilly fan

It's very welcoming, no "too cool for the room" nonsense, just people who love good music.

Best shows I've ever been to are jam bands. Just a purely good time. They're only annoying if you're not experiencing it yourself.

Great shows

I totally agree and I do not listen to any of the music.

My favorite was calling hick hop “college game day core”

@@sixty2612 I saw that too😂 so true

it's so fucking true

My life is now significantly worse just knowing it exists

Definitely this. I went to a psychobilly show once and had fun KINDA, except there was this dumbass greaser dude who dubbed himself the sheriff of the pit and took it upon himself to prevent me from trying to start a mosh pit. His idea of fun seems to be combing his hair. What a nob!

Hey, it spawned Reverend Horton Heat, so no complaints there.

I would never pay to go to a show but it can be entertaining in small doses.

The Stellar Corpses are a great band.

The brains, nekromantix, and koffin cats are pretty good

best quote for sure

@@lghjsdtugfkgfjgtru been a whole year, but as soon as the notification popped up I KNEW it was referencing this. Don't know if that's a bigger indictment of me or doom metal fans.

is that like dashboard confessional?

@@benjaminwatt2436 American Football

the weakerthans count here

Nooo...I had to suffer through dozens of that growing up. I'm sick of emo

Huh? I lived in columbus for 4 years

What a cringe comment

Btw thanks Finn, I feel a lot better now because so few guys will acknowledge this let alone validate women when we talk about the blatant, rampant sexism in rock and metal (or in general) I can still recall being speechless when dudes would come up to me while setting up my rig, like my ovaries rendered me too feeble-minded to plug in a cord or push a button or something, ha! If they actually wanted to help they could have helped me carry in those heavy cabs because I appreciate genuine attempts to help and/or break the ice. I could rant forever so let me stop now lol. Like I do get that it takes nerve for anyone to approach a stranger and talk to them but let's all think more before acting or speaking.. please? If you wouldn't say it to/about a man then stfu basically lol I want to add that my all male bandmates showed me nothing but respect, just like anyone else with no special treatment either, AND dealt with plenty of ridicule for having a skinny little girl in their bands and being accused of only letting me in because they wanted to fuck me, which was insulting to us all but they never once shidded on me to fit in with the douchebag elitists

I think metal is unmatched in-terms of how many neckbeard misogynistic assholes there is. Hopefully in time that changes, woman have made some of the most kickass metal I've heard!

Earth tour is life

I saw them headline in like '06 and the vocalist was so drunk he fell over on stage and threw up.

Hello fellow HORSE fan! I still like I Fight Dragons tho

HtB's music aged terribly but New York City still kinda rips

Shape shift by horse the band is a masterpiece. And same, ska punk will forever hold a place in my heart. If you want a real blast from the past, look up "reel big fish rice Krispy commercial 2003"...thank me later

I just discovered Die Antwood at where I work.

Man I loved Atari Teenage Riot

Man atari teenage riot is truly unlistenable from what I remember in high-school.

Atari Teenage Riot is awesome

Try out SkyEatsAirplane

@Gondola Isekai oh I’m not really mad or offended or anything, I still love Finns content, I just think he oddly fixates on the social and sexual status of fans a bit too often.

I wish I could take back 3/4th of my fucks ngl

@@gkezele Gary, it’s a joke. It’s not about you.

Although to be fair, you should really try to have a good amount of sex before you get into prog, so that you can be that confident dude with that one weird hobby that makes you charming to women so you can have more sex.

@@HeavyMetal-jy4vj I just got married and then revealed to my wife that I like prog, that way she’s stuck.

I cant either

I kind of know where you're coming from but Loveless is a masterpiece, if you don't like it you probably just aren't going to like MBV

Mom picking you up from middle school music

100%! The examples in this video is their old stuff, which has its charm. Their 2009 album is really great. If somebody says it sucks they're just being dicks on purpose.

def a terrible take on horse the band. they're one of the greatest to ever do it. a natural death, desperate living, and the your fault EP originals are all amazing

@@TheMutantMindframe For sure! 100% agree

Was just watching earth tour vol2. The beginning speech by the Chinese translator they were with is touching af

NIACIN!! Long live Horse.

One of my minor obsessions is Japanese girls rock, and dear god are there a ton of creepy weirdos in the fandom.

You are gay. Literally.

@@Default78334 dont pretend you're not one of them lmaoo

@@Default78334 I'd say at least 1 guy in 50 in society is a creepy weirdo, so it's not surprising. One thing being into Japanese bands does give you, it's the ability to NOT be surprised that a woman can play an instrument well. I've heard reactors make comments like "Wow! She can play better than me!" as if a professional musician playing at a higher level than their pub band is a shock.

lmaoo that's literally in every scene

Pigs x7 are killing it too

and Elder, who won 2022 doomcharts album of the year

Yet he constantly shits on Europe. Funny cos you would think someone with a broader view and knowledge like him would understand that it's actually America that's stuck behind.

Btw, not a fan of particular genre I'd say, just like what I enjoy, which can be anything from the most commercial pop/rock thru ska, rap (not the current, most definitely) to terrorcore/speedcore (been my favourite for a few years now). It's funny to me listening to it cos it sounds like he has a license to know what you should like and what not lmao. Not hating, its his right to have opinion and feelings, but also cannot really take him seriously. Its like that Henry Rollins video he made where he criticises him for not following his own advice :p Same can be applied here I guess.

Arch Enemy, Otep, The Agnonist, Epica, Leaves Eyes, Lacuna Coil, Spirit box, JINJER just to add a few

Exactly

Hoods + Woods is the force to be reckoned with💪🏻💪🏿

it's so fucking bad. I would have put it below f tier... but it's something you need to experience

Cmon yal, Cowboy Troy is the man!

Have y’all heard that Lil Durk ft Morgan Wallace cut tho? It’s actually good

Pallbearer is not rehashing Cathedral or Sleep whatsoever in my opinion. Agree on the EHG shit though even though I love the Nola sludge scene.

Dream Pop is Shoegaze without the distortion

@@jakeybball I’m from Nola and have kicked the dog food 11 times in my life it just hits different when you’ve lived it and I love God but it’s that good

@@jakeybball Heartless by Pallbearer was such a well rounded metal album.

Why the rigid categories!? The "good" shoegaze albums don't squarely fit into shoegaze. I mean the Cocteau Twins bridge shoegaze and dreampop. Albums that squarely fit into one unique genre are generic and boring. And shoegaze gets really generic, especially with newer releases. Same could be said about Post Rock and Prog.

Its called Liberator

@@FinnMckentyPRMBA thanks.

Idk if you haven't noticed, but Finn hates any band that doesn't align with his hyper capitalist grind set point of view. RATM, Propagandhi and so on.

@@spider-scott8438 Yes, and thats what I'd credit his strange dislike of SOAD whilst being a ride or die Slipknot apologist.

Man I love that Propaghandhi album that and Carlos Jobim are the only two vinyls I’ve ever owned

@@kohhna totally.

@@diydylana3151 shitty grind core isn't the opposite of capitalist. It's not about the music but about the message. He hates propagandhi and RATM politically, not sonically is my guess.

@Lucas Logg I like you, Dude!

This.

Who the fuck needed lessons? You can learn everything you need on your own, that's the punk spirit.

The irony considering your avatar of bald Chicago Morrissey.

Best description of the genre I've heard so far ...

Guitar lessons are for 36 yr olds trying to plagiarize sweet child of mine or motley moo riffs

I see him as a waaayyyyy more successful version of myself So yes your correct

I think he’s aware of his nerd status. He’s acknowledged it in the past

I used to think I was a nerd but now after meeting so many actual nerds I realize I'm not at all

@@FinnMckentyPRMBA what is a nerd? I always thought a nerd was just someone who was really interested in something. If you’re into MMA so much that you’ve actually fought then you’re an MMA nerd

Finn is definitely a nerd, but hates geeks and dorks which is understandable

Ok

Ya could have just put the period after ignorance and stopped there.

@@eboethrasher touche

That’s crazy

It's better than Finn will ever achieve so I'm not sure why he was so hard on it

@@rorz999 fax lmao this just seems so conceited, you cant rank something thats subjective and try to pass it as fact

Unironically the Chaddest genre of music

The shoegaze genre is just too specific to evolve beyond the 5~10 great albums. I unconsciously branched out into Dream Pop, Folk, Post Rock or Psychedelic music.

Shoegaze is definitely one of the best genre's.

Him hating on psychobilly surprised me. Such a self promoting super underground scene that doesnt wanna be part of mainstream culture. Pure DIY. Thought he would have a little respect for that as a musical know it all.

What's "boss bitch rap"?

@@Grapesoda-is7ti Doja Cat, Cardi B, Megan Thee Stallion, etc

hahaha totally true

@@Luissv72 So mainstream female rappers?

@ghost mall kind of a joke, because Loveless would have been a revelation and changed my life either way. I haven't blazed in years and still listen to it.

Shoegaze is a very good genre and I'm a pretty big fan of it.

@@atrainbrady3208 same. Saturated with soundalikes but what genre isn't.

@ghost mall yet what you are clearly not intelligent enough to realize is that a lot of Grateful Dead has the same effect on people. You know who bought the very first e-bow shown at NAMM? Jerry Garcia.

tiger army is worth checking out imo

Koffin Kats ftw

Zombie Ghost Train did it well too. “Buried Next to the King” is a fuckin banger of a tune.

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hyKaR-StaVk.html fuck nekromantix and horror pops check out some pure psychobilly

We all discovered this guy because he put punkrock in his name, only to be unpleasantly surprised by the misadvertisment... he canned psychobilly and ska, then worshipped five finger death punches cock like a little girl... his wife would probably love to cheat, but she's afraid of getting her other eye blacked...

Had to throw in vegan for no reason at all 😂 definitely a vegan move

Non if orange goblin smoke weed either

Good on you, I'll go get a nice, juicy steak now and after I'll listen to Electric Wizard.

Same. She's one of my guitar heroes and I respect her so much for what she went through but her fanbase, or at least the male part, is gross.

Yeah, not the best that psychobilly has to offer.

I also LOVE horse the band. Just started vid so I’m assuming he talks shit. Gives me a sad. But to each their own

Ok Horse is unlistenable…. And also Five finger has some bangers. K.

It was this point where I dipped out.

He talks about subgenres along subgenres, wears a Cerebral Incubation t-shirt, simps over Linh and has a Slam solo project. Quite a nerd to me

Thanks for this!

Great post.

A name I recognize, at least I think I do, as far as having knowledge about Cbus, and being able to provide info. Cbus has always had good Rockabilly, especially Goth-A-Billy thanks to Crazy Mama's.

This was me with progressive metalcore like 10 years ago with bands like Protest the Hero and BTBAM. I still love those bands but realize literally no one else cares and they don’t have to. PSA to high school and college aged peeps: don’t make your favorite genre your entire personality. No one will like you haha

@@phaaaze9984 It's literally the same thing as wearing t shirts with cheese on all the time and always talking about cheese. It's one aspect of the entirety of you, an aspect that not only barely represents you, but a boring aspect to 99% of people ahaha. I'm 26 and still see people way older than me make music (primarily metal/djent) their entire being and it's so sad.

@@phaaaze9984 I use the technique of listening to so many genres I can't make one genre my entire personality.

@ghost mall If you have a pedalboard full of Strymon pedals, you are a) a newer person into shoegaze or b) someone who has too much money to blow on pedals. I'm still using the same Boss pedals that I've been using for goth/shoegaze for the last 20+ years. I don't have the money nor the desire to switch it up. The only thing I've done since is made a separate pedal tray for my bass and that was 12 years ago. Some of those pedals sound great, sure, but I'd rather spend less money on pedals and spend the rest on other stuff. Seriously, my entire Boss guitar effects rig probably cost less than one or two of the "boutique" pedals that people jizz over these days. And I wouldn't trade it.

Nah man check out the cramps, nekromantix, tiger army, and reverend horton heat. But yeah butt rock is trash

@@Doomer610 I actually love the cramps

@@Doomer610 you're right butt rock is trash.