I saw Pantera a few times in the 90's and that is how I want to remember Pantera. This is like Ringo and Paul touring and calling it The Beatles! No Abbott brothers = No Pantera!
@@joepermenter7228 they’re all talented in Pantera. Pantera never would have been Pantera to the levels they reached without Phil as great as Dimebag and Vinnie were.
@@eldenbotting5054 The Abbots launched their own band from their own studio in Dallas Texas. They needed a front man. Nobody really knows why they became a true heavy metal band and thus more popular but the band, but nobody knows who Pantera is without Dimebag Darrell.
2 different situations... Geddy & the Boys played together till the end with no problems. Maybe a few problems but nothing like the guys from Pantera. Vinny said that there is no Pantera without Dime... won't happen/don't ask. But with both brothers gone, I think the brothers would at least now would like for the music to keep living on with the other living members!
Phil and Rex doing something together absolutely. Calling it Pantera, absolutely NOT. It would be like Sammy Hagar, Michael Anthony, Tommy Lee and Brian May calling themselves Van Halen.
How PanterA was big when the two of them were in the band Zakk Wylde in dime's spot is the only way he's got the respect for dime and the talent maybe not he's style
I completely agree, but I wouldn't lose sleep over it either if they stay with the Pantera name just for this one tour. After all, the name will bring in more fans and allow the tour to be more successful.
In many ways Pantera was the Van Halen of groove metal. The most striking was how both bands had phenomenal drummers who were overshadowed by the guitarist who happened to be their brother.
@@BUCA_BILL Granted, Vinnie wasn’t the flashiest drummer. However, I still stand by my comment because his timing and precision were impeccable. He understood the importance of groove and he had a distinct style to his playing.
This is going to be a phenomenal celebration of what Pantera still means to a lot of people. Pantera has been a huge part of my life since my early teens. Their music helped me through many hard, dark times. Unfortunately I never got the chance to see them live. Now with Phil & Rex AND 2 of Dime and Vinnie's best friends rounding it out, I will move mountains to attend this show and take part in celebrating Pantera and what they still mean to me, and to the others attending who had this amazing band touch their lives in some way. Phil and Rex don't owe us anything. They get to call this WHATEVER they want to call it. Stay home if you don't like it.
People tend to forget that Pantera is a big part of their lives and they lost 2 brothers along the way. I wish them all the best and I look forward to what they put together.
I agree. A one off tour, but not under the Pantera name. Call themselves Vulgar Cowboys or something in that vein, and bill it as a "tribute" or "celebration " of the legacy. I'd be ok with that
Yeah call the band something else! A little too salty for me. Don’t know if I would be able to handle Phil rallying the crowd in the spirit of Pantera without Dime or Vinny.
Call it..Cowboys From Hell or maybe even Pantera Revisited..I can live with it and would wanna see it. We know it’s not gonna be anything amazing like if Vinnie and Dime were up there playing and alive..but Zakk and Charlie would make sure it sounded very good and was done correctly.
Hey I love Pantera as much as the next guy and have tons of respect for Phil and Rex but HELL NO. Not without the brothers. IDGAF, Phil and Rex could get Zack Wylde and another great drummer and do a top notch Pantera tribute tour or something It would be great and people would love it but don't dare call it Pantera.
This is probably the last chance to hear these songs live with any original members at all, so enjoy it for what it is. And this lineup as a Pantera tribute band is probably better than 95% of bands touring today, so, there's that also. Even if billed as Pantera, it's still a tribute. Everyone knows the deal.
@John Anthony you’re right. We the little people have no say about ‘the band’s’ direction. We also don’t have to spend our fucking money on Phil’s money grab.
It's a beautiful thing. Really is. Respectful tribute to close the third act for the kids that dont know YET that they are gigantic Pantera fans and the ones like us that are happy to see phil and rex again. Love it!
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From my perspective (which I know doesn't mean much) but for some of the younger fans like myself, the whole "tribute" idea Pete spoke about could be very interesting, especially since I came to appreciate Pantera after Dimebag's passing (I was about 8 at the time?) Being able to see some form of Pantera live could be really fun. If this comes to fruition, I think Zakk Wylde is almost a no brainer on guitar, and Charlie Benante is a good pick for drums, I was also skeptical of Mike Portnoy being asked to do it as well. It definitely can't possibly be the same without either Dime or Vinnie, I think most, if not all of us can agree on that point. Labeling it as "Pantera" will be really weird, I think they should do a "Phil Anselmo/Rex Brown & Friends" type of thing. They shouldn't try and sell it as if they'd replace Dime or Vinnie \m/
If they treat this as a Pantera tribute tour then I'm on board with it, and I'll probably go see them when they come down here to New Orleans. Aside from it being some sort of tribute, then they should not be calling themselves Pantera going forward.
Mixed moods. On the other hand, you have to understand Phil and Rex are still here and there are many of us who want to hear those legendary songs live. Will it be the same without Vinny and Dime? Of course not but its something that connects us to that legendary music during which we can raise a toast to the brothers🤘
@@SuperStrik9 Saw the same tour. And since it was in Dallas the fans were really jacked for Pantera. Black Sabbath was awesome, but Pantera was on fiyah.
@@independenceltd. Awesome. Saw them in Toronto and it was the same thing. As much as I love Sabbath and they put on a great show, Pantera were even better. Pantera were incredible that night and Dime shredded his ass off. I still have the ticket stub.
The way I understand it, Vinnie was the big obstacle to a reunion, and with him gone, it was just a matter of time. Phil and Rex were on the outs for a while, but are apparently good. And they're both in their mid-50's now, and maybe thinking more about padding their pensions, so to speak. And maybe they want to give the people what they want, while we're all still young enough to get something out of it.
Agree , rex sounded so much better now , his bass sound like always wanted , bolder , filling those empty spaces ,,phil still have some gas left in the tank, benante it is a little above , but tell me ,,phil voice ? Its also no pantera , i am satisfied how this reunion or whatever, i like it just like 90s
It’s tough for me bc I saw them multiple times over their career. That said, if they go out as a tribute to Pantera but not as a THE Pantera. Now, for those criticizing this so harshly, look at all the bands touring with one member or NO members. Phil’s been doing Pantera songs for years with the Illegals etc. Also, Vinny refused to do it while he was alive so, I’m all for it as a tribute
That would not be Pantera as we know it, but it will be a great "supergroup". And Zakk is the only guy who can really bring the attitude back. Hope I can see them live again! A new levoooool...!
As someone who was too young for the original run, I'm down with the lineup you mentioned Pete. Also with you on no albums. If they became a regular tour, again with that lineup, I'm cool with it.
This was inevitable. They've been talking about it for years. As far as being an exercise in legacy-tarnishing/exploitation it is far from the most egregious example us rock fans have had to endure over the years. That being said I would have so much more respect if they did it under the name 'Mouth For War' or 'Cowboys From Hell' for example, similar to bands like 'Last in Line' or 'Death To All'. Overall I'm not that invested or interested in the project. Now get Sydney on the show for another rant about the Nita Strauss/Alice Cooper situation 😵💫
My biggest issue with this is that I don't think Phil has the voice that could sing anything close that would be listenable. Even if the rest of the band played songs perfectly, I think he's long gone from any decent singing, with all due respect. He destroyed his voice with booze, drugs, screaming, health issues, etc. I mean, he's trying, but nowadays everything is kinda just screaming, and it's not very good, a lot of struggling. There's no way he could sing anything melodic. I mean, who knows, maybe he proves me wrong but for the last 10+ years everything I heard from him was not so good, I mean vocally.
Yeah I have the concern about Phil as well. He still sounded pretty good in 2010 singing Pantera stuff and seemed to be really well at the time and not so strung out. The last couple years I've seen on RU-vid he hasn't sounded very good singing Pantera and the guitars had to be tuned a full step down
This is from 2021 and he actually sounds pretty good here and it's in the original key as well ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-mbTYbeZlOlU.html
I think this is a really interesting story. The closest comparison I can think of would be Roger Daltrey and Pete Townsend continuing as The Who. I know that the spirit of The Who, for many, died with Keith Moon--and definitely after the Ox. With Pantera, the band was obviously the Abbott brothers' creation. But then again, look at the Cavalera brothers in Sepultura. They've left, yet Sep continues to exist and does reasonably well. How they choose to advertise this iteration of 'Pantera' will tell the tale. If they just announce that they're back, that will rub people the wrong way--it will look like Phil and Rex are capitalizing off the name. If they advertise it as a tribute to their legacy and recognize Zakk and Charlie are guests, and the tour is done tastefully, I see no issue whatsoever, and I'd even pay to see it. The surviving members of Queen have always billed themselves as Queen + Paul Rodgers or Adam Lambert. I know it's not classic Queen, of course, but the show would still be great to see. We're approaching the time where this will become more and more common as classic musicians pass away.
Phil’s been doing pantera songs for a while when touring his solo band. Rex is a decent bassist but 🤷♂️ could be any bassist to be fair.for me it just won’t be pantera without the brothers so please call it something else…but would i still go🤔…..probably 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
I agree with you Pete! If the 2 remaining guys wanted to do a "one off" or very limited tour, as a tribute.... great for the fans!!! But without Dimebag & Vinnie -just doesn't feel totally legit. I was never a huge fan & only saw Vinnie's band: HellYeah in concert;but some people are just irreplaceable Ex. EVH, DIO, etc.
I mean, can we step back a second and just appreciate Phil and Rex for not trying to do this while Vinnie was alive and causing a lot of unneeded anger that would have been dragged out publicly? Or that they actually got the blessings of the Abbott family estate to do this instead of going through a legal battle like so many other bands have? There's a certain level of respect being portrayed here that is largely being ignored and I don't think it's fair to ignore it.
As a fan since 1992 I think they should leave it alone.. But if they decide to go ahead and proceed with it at least they got Zakk and Charlie to fill those shoes and from my understanding it's a tribute celebration not a reunion. My only beef with this project is that Phil and the brothers never resulted their differences so it feels very weird
I agree with you Pete. If it is a one off tribute to the brothers and the music I am in. Fans who are younger then us may have never seen these songs live. But... New music...no way! The tribute concert tour for Chuck S. of Death was a great time and a well put together respectful tribute. A little different scenario since Chuck always had a different lineup for each album, so they were able to bring a handful of former members to tour.
No Abbott Brothers equals no Pantera, but that being said, I would pay to see another Texas-based band, Power Trip, who lost their vocalist Riley Gale. Do it with Rex Brown on bass backing up Phil Anselmo doing Pantera songs exclusively. The youth would help them slap hard!
I came into Pantera, as one of those maligned Metal fans suffering through the early throes of Alternative and later Grunge. When CFH hit...it was the jolt I needed at the time I needed. Having met Rex, Dime and Vinnie...you knew what genuine down to earth guys...no doubt about it. They were fans just like you. They carried the Metal banner through that tumultuous time the way a metal band should. Everyone for the next five years knew they had to go hard and heavy to keep up! I would love to see the remaining guys do a tribute tour, with taste...and then stop. Form a new band with a new sound and new material? Yes. Play the old tunes live? Of course. Tour endlessly as Pantera 2.0 ? Nope!
They should do what the Doors did. Granted, there was some legal stuff with John Densmore that contributed to what they called themselves but they did basically a Doors reunion playing strictly Doors turns and toured together for a little while under the name “Manzarek-Krieger” and sometimes “Ray Manzarek and Robby Krieger of the Doors”. Rather than just “The Doors”.Dead and Company is the same thing. Rather than reforming the Grateful Dead and touring under that name, Weir, Kreutzmann, and Hart formed Dead and Co. Queen is the same way with their whole “Queen + Adam Lambert”. Pantera should do something similar to those three. I feel like that would be a good way to pay homage to Vinnie and Dimebag, as well as maybe make it a little easier for fans to accept. Instead of being Pantera without Vinnie and Dimebag, it’s a new Anselmo and Brown offshoot band that’s playing Pantera songs
The reunion is a good thing. I see it like this. Consider it as a great pantera cover band that has the benefits of seeing the original singer. If you want to hear that music live why not go an enjoy it. Especially the younger ones thAt never saw them. It’s the best that can be done under the circumstances
I’m ok with Pantera coming back with out the founders (brothers) but to make a new album??? HELL NO! Maybe just keep it a touring Pantera band. Long live Vinnie and Dime!! 🌹🌹🤘🤘☠️☠️
I saw Pantera on April 2, 2001 at the Hard Rock Live in Orlando, and it was awesome. As far as this "reunion" goes, I think they should go under a different name. I'm curious about how Rita feels about this!
I only saw Pantera once and it was on the same tour in 99. When I heard the news last night, I was thrilled. Dime's girlfriend seems to be on board with the idea. I texted my friends in NY this morning and tried to gauge their responses. I got a lot of positive responses so far. I am with Pete on this one. I would fly to NY to see their show honoring Dime and Vinnie. I do not, however, agree with making more albums without the brothers; it will not be Pantera in my opinion. Let them do a blistering set with Zakk and Charlie, and put Pantera to rest.
To me it doesn't matter what Dime's girlfriend says either way. She was never in the band but I'm sure she will be collecting money from the Pantera sales on old records and merchandise at least. I'm all for them playing Pantera songs, just not using the name without an asterisk.
@@scottashe984 I only mentioned the girlfriend's opinion because up and until recently she violently hated Phil. Now that she's given her blessing, I can see no reason for the tour not happening.
Hi Pete… yes this news came out of no where. The guitar and drums were so distinctive to the sound. I agree with you that a one off tour to celebrate could work and yes it has to be be two other known artists. If anything it’s got people talking about Pantera and I’m sure this will result in an increase in sales of their albums. Thanks Pete. Chez
Now that Vinnie Paul's out-of-the-way ! (Which he said no to the reunion) I could see the reasons for Vinne saying no, but God bless him too see ya on the other side soon! Anyway It's time to do the re-group thing and to do new material as well keep Pantera saga alive the show must go on! HELL YEAH 🎸🎛🔊🎵🥁🤘🎤🤬🎸🎚🔊🎶
Had the luck to see 'em live in like 2001 or so, during the Reinventing The Steel tour. Right before the end. Phil was completely out of it. But I'm thankful for having been able to see 'em. Reunion tour...I'll probably pass.
Ehhhhhhh......No. Not into this at all. Really like Pantera, but was more into them back in the day. Without the Abbott brothers gone trying to do a reunion without them doesn’t work for me. Plus last time Phil was in Pantera he was a lot younger. Jumping and running around the stage. To me Pantera represents being youthful and very rambunctious. Really don’t see the point to this. It’s way too late in the game in my opinion. I’m personally more interested in Phil getting back with DOWN full time, and making new music with them. Been awhile since we’ve had a new record from those guys right? That’s what I’d really like to see instead of a Pantera reunion. 🤘🤘🤘
You mentioned Lynyrd Skynyrd, and compared their situation to this, and I gotta say I agree pretty strongly… *but I agree because Skynyrd is the example of what happens when you go beyond just reunion and tribute to what the band was, and go to full blown NEW BAND making new studio albums under the OG band name, despite absolutely essential members of that band being gone.* To me, Skynyrd is the perfect example of how, as you rightfully put it, “watered down”, that the band’s music and history can become, and I absolutely don’t want to see that happen to Pantera. I cringe at the thought of Dime’s memory and legacy being basically (imho) disrespected, the way that Ronnie’s was in those later years when “Skynyrd” 2.0 (now like 4.0) released an album like ‘God & Guns’ (sorry, but Ronnie did write “Saturday Night Special”, and I don’t buy his little brothers attempt to square that albums lyrics with Ronnie’s lyrics from the Trve Skynyrd). ANYWAY, I’m getting carried away… I’m just saying, that band was brought up and they’re THE example imo, of how reunion tours can go wrong, and water down a bands legacy (if not for 70s Skynyrd’s prowess, it’d be a drowning), even if they are incredible as a live force many years on (and they were, perhaps still are, and I’m sure Pantera can be too). Just please, let’s not dis the true OG’s of Pantera, and let’s keep it classy and respectful and have fun with it, and not make it about the money. If they do want to make new tunes, cool! But don’t call yourselves Pantera. Respect your fallen brothers! 🤘✌️
Nah without Dike and Vinnie it’s really not Pantera … I get that Zach and Charlie we’re super tight but it’s just feels very “cashing in” like and besides Phil’s voice is shot and has been for a long time on a lot of this material nah pass ….
I'm torn because there has been so much of this in the hard rock/metal/rock scenes. Slayer, Blue Oyster Cult, Alice In Chains, Overkill, Megadeth, Rolling Stones, the who, Lynrd Skynrd, etc. have all gone out with 1/2 or more of the original band gone.
Couldn’t agree more. One off Tour, bill it as a tribute to Pantera, Tribute to Dime and Vinny. AND THATS IT. Anything more, my eye brows start raising. I agree the way they announced it and the timing is suspect. But I can get down with it if they start billing it as a Tribute or Celebration, and not just Pantera back on tour. Edit: also NOT using the Pantera name for the tour. Also just classic material, NO BRAND NEW MATERIAL with Pantera name, if they do go with that ( which I ABSOLUTELY HOPE THEY DON’T). The Abbot brothers started that band, and knowing how Dime and Vinny felt toward Phil and Rex not wanting to go one as Pantera and do their own thing, when Dime and Vinny’s heart were still in it, would be a slap in the face.
I'm interested in hearing something genuinely new from these four guys regardless of the band name. If Pantera can rise again and bring a second wave, then do it. It's something to live for. Keep these guys putting out music that is hopefully the best of their ability.
I agree with all your points in respect of how this might work, but have the same reservations, especially with regard to Dimebag. It's not just the playing - it's the attitude that existed then and cannot be replicated.
I say if Phil and Rex wanna do this, great. Name it something from a Pantera song: Flood, Walk, Cemetary Gates -F**king Hostile -whatever but do NOT call it Pantera nor a reunion. It would NOT be Pantera. Pantera the band WAS both Abbott brothers TOGETHER. They formed the nucleus of Pantera and the core sound. This is not to say Phil wasn't the best vocalist the band had nor Rex a solid and grounded bass player, sorta like what Cliff Williams is to AC/DC. And if they wanna get Zakk and Charlie or others, fine. But no guitarist, not even an accomplished studio musician could recreate Dime's sound because it wasn't merely Dime's equipment that produced his iconic sound: it was his feel on the instrument -it was him. Vinnie, yeah you could get away with it a bit more but he still had a very unique sound and feel to his playing. You cannot match either brother in that. They are UNIQUE. Take Alex Van Halen, who plays like no other drummer on the planet. He has a unique sense of portion and feel in the way he put his beats and sounds together. He and Eddie also fed off each other's vibe when playing. So, going back to the Abbott brothers, Vinnie FED off Dime and Dime off Vinnie. They could feel what each was gonna do. They had that sense. They were unique, one of a kind. As a few other commentators stated: this would not be Pantera. Name it after a favored Pantera song (like I stated above), and do it as a tribute to Dime and Vinnie. But do NOT call it Pantera. Pantera, the band, was disbanded by its owners the Abbott brothers when it fell apart and died with Dime and then, sadly, Vinnie. Calling this a "Pantera" reunion is doing a disservice to the name as well as the Abbott brothers.
I wish they did the rumored 3 piece tour while Vinnie was alive. I agree with a lot of the comments, I would hate to see them using the Pantera name. While this is great for a lot of people, it really makes you wonder what if....
As soon as I heard Charlie was in, I got interested. This guy won't be there just to take a check. They picked the two guys that had to be apart of this for it to work , so they're off to a very good start
I saw Pantera in the late 90’s a couple times at OZZFEST . They were excellent and this tour in 2023 if it’s happens I will definitely be there . I am a big fan of ZaKk and it’s going to be hard to fill Dimebag shoes but Zakk is very capable of doing just that .
I totally agree. I think they'll do it right. They'll call it something else, and keep it to a tour or a tour every few years. They just want to play their stuff and see the fans I'm thinking.
Well i think that it woud be fun to see Phil and Rex on tour as Pantera because i want to hear those songs live one more time but with out Vinny and Dimebag that is not Pantera .
Fuck yeah! Let the remaining members create something beautiful with true friends of the brothers. All for it 😊 Especially as the Abbott Estate has given it's blessing 🙏
zakk wylde on guitar and charlie on drums is the only way, and it should be as a tribute tour. This is the only way and call it what it is phil and rex with zakk and charlie
Zack said years ago if asked it would be to honor Dime. The families have given blessings for this. Zack WILL match Dimes music. Charlie is a beast . Quite possibly the best candidate . Plus he was close with the Pantera guys . This will not be half assed, I'm sure. The brothers will be honored tremendously during the live shows I'm sure. I plan on going to a few shows on this tour.
This tour will sell out . Any 'purist' who don't like Rex and Phil reuniting as a tribute to one the greatest bands ever will miss probably one the best metal shows in the last 20 years. I saw Pantera in 95. And I'll be at this show too.
