bones is essentially the first one to start bringing these types of lyrics to the genre. don’t say raider klan cause they didn’t have any emo type shit. they are pioneers but not with the emo shit
The time has come where we can see the full impact of 808s and Heartbreak. It started it all and now even the mainstream is full of sad tracks. It's the impact of Ye and Cudi. And now they rap about being Free and Reborn. Those two have the most impact.
Trap, emo rap, and industrial are easily the 3 biggest. They all play into people who don’t typically like rap. Trap is very dance like and is basically where dubstep was in 2010. Emo rap is basically stealing people who like folk music, and industrial for people who like grunge and 90’s rock. Hip hop is taping into every sound right now, but it’ll be interesting to see what sub genres stay tbh. Hip hop is probably in the most interesting spot in music since rock in the early 90’s.
feel like peep did it the best, he had this grunge rock/ rap vibe going it felt original to me. More than likely has been done before in the past, i don’t have great knowledge in music history especially in rap but to me he was on top
Yeah i think what made him so special besides his voice that is perfect for this kinda music, is his authenticity, he really was an angsty, lonely teenager living in a small, dead town.
What's interesting is how black people have accepted it. A lot of black people used to hate on emos and emo music but now their playlist is filled with emo rappers.
I literally avoided Anthony Fantano’s review for years because I thought he was going to be another hammed up angry reviewer and I really wasn’t in the mood for that. His old Profile Pic just gives off that vibe if you had nothing else to go off of.
Anthony I love how you discuss Yung Lean as being an OG of the new wave of emotional hiphop yet completely dismissed him back in the day... Only high rated comment I’ve had on RU-vid was getting mad at you on one of your old Yung Lean reviews 😂 Glad that you now see the influence that the early cloud rap/based rap artists on SoundCloud have actually had to the current state of popular music 🤟🏻
Favourite emo rapper atm is for sure nothing,nowhere. He's signed to Fueled By Ramen, same label as mainstream emo bands like P!ATD and TØP, but is so authentic it's chilling. Really crisp and clear vocals, no autotune bs, and uses simple looped guitar riffs as beats. Really worth checking out
Thats whats good about jonatan leandoer, he is always inovating and being fresh with a new aesthetic and a new style, he is a true artist and thats why he has such a stable and hardcore fanbase
No mention of Bones? Really? Bones may not have been the first hip-hop artist to have emo tendencies/influences, but he not only established, but served as the main influence to any Soundcloud rapper with the sound, including Peep, X, Wicca Phase, Doves, Suicideboys, the list goes on. He's been straight up rapping over midwest emo samples since 2013 and his influence, if you explore his early work, is everywhere today in some form. I'm not discrediting this video at all as everything here was valid, I'm just incredibly surprised that somebody whose been aware of Bones' work since 2014 and claimed in one review that you've listened to about 8 of his projects (as of 2016) wouldn't even think to mention him.
Karmen Võ The late Donda West, that’s who inspired it. Just because Cudi was featured on a song and has a couple of songwriting credits doesn’t mean he inspired the whole project.
I’d say that’s an upgrade. No matter how shit is trippie redd with his screech or lil peep with his terrible flow, they are so much better than mcr and bmth
Plomo Pa todo mundo ehhh depends where you’re looking from. Redd and Peep (obviously) will never put out projects as good as the black parade and suicide season. Tbf I’ve never been a fan of any of the artists we’re talking about I’ve just been exposed to there music. But yeah there’s way more fun in peeps stuff than there is in recent bmth releases. But I didn’t make my comment to say which is better, just that emotional people will go to emotional music. Right now the emotional music is in hip hop.
Yeah, for sure. The craziest is that rap metal is making a comeback too, while at the same time hip-hop is embarking on a new psychedelic movement, it's crazy how quickly the subgenres are expanding.
$uicideboy$, Xaiver Wolff, Bones, Night Lovell, Germ, Ghostemane, Wavy Jones, peep these artists if u want some dark gritty trap with good flows, killer beats and hard hitting lyrics.
Ari Levin nedarb is great, mackned has good solo stuff, horsehead and coldhart aren’t my style but they’re great in features. Same with Wicca. But I love what they represent as a whole and I have for quite awhile
I think Aesop Rock has a lot of what you said in his songs. While they're vastly complex and take a while to break down and understand, usually they tackle quite personal feelings of different types of struggles and insecurities. It's a very interesting development in the genre because at least to me, rap is the perfect style of music and lyricism to portray emotions. There's this very *real* feeling when you hear something like the third verse in Aesop's Gopher Guts as he blatantly lays down so many raw statements about his life and his struggles. Of course, as you said in the video, this will most likely become just an overplayed and cynical trend at some point, but for now, it's very interesting to see these stereotypical walls of what rap *should* be about, broken. Let's hope it continues to be an expression of true emotions and I think some really neat stuff can come out of it.
Bones was definitely one of the first to mix Emo singing and sad guitar based beats with a trap drum and bass section. Right now I think Nothing Nowhere is my favorite doing it. I definitely want to hear more artist loving this style.
I don't know why but when I say "Sad Rap" it sounds a lot better than saying "Emo Rap", it just rolls off the tongue nicer and has a more of a ring to it. Plus these new auto-crooning rappers can solidify their own unique movement separate from "Emo Rock" whilst still incorporating it's elements, sounds and style, along with blending it into a modern post-trap landscape.
@@amazingjay3957 there are no popular rock albums out right now and no Rock artists shaking up the foundation like they used too. Anthony did a great video on this.
Fantano, there are some spanish artists that are inclined, to my mind, to create this kind of music. Here are some names you'd probably like (although there is a language barrier): Yung Beef (Songs like the Intro to "Adromicfms 1", "Ready Pa Morir", "Me perdi en Madrid", "Rosas Azules", "infierno"), who fyi has been working in the past with Southside, 808 Mafia, Steve Lean, a spanish producer who produced Lil Yachty's 66 song; Sticky M.A ("Diablo" rmx with Yung Beef), MC Buseta's mixtape "Heartbreak"; and C.Tangana ("Na de Na", "Spanish Jigga Freestyle"). Even though they wouldn't admit that they make this music specifically, they really add a huge emotional range to their songs.
He should have mentioned a lotta ppl but he really doesnt know shit about rap music besides the artists DJ Akademiks talks about. These 2 are in cahoots to make 14 year olds as mentally retarded as possible.
He did mention him, but for some unfathomable reason said he's never been a fan. I feel like in most cases lyrics take a back seat to Fantano. I feel they go over his head, and therefore it would probably go over his sub's heads as well, making it not worth looking into for him.
Sadistik is carrying the torch Eyedea held.. I'll be a patron of Sadistik, he needs to be appreciated before he's dead, like a lot of artists should have been.
There are also upcoming artists out there such as scarlxrd, prxjek, slen, etc that are exploring the darker side of emo with more aggressive beats and vocals
nosoundnovizion not really, people just romanticise sadness, angst etc since it’s been intensified in the mainstream. People have a bad day, listen to juice wrld or xxxtentacion and think they’re ‘depressed’ hahahaha
nosoundnovizion if it weren’t a taboo and really propelled into the mainstream then earl sweatshirt and Isaiah Rashad would be dominating mainstreamvhip hop. Fact is Lil uzi etc it’s just emo pop
Toxic Potato Exactly. Those who yell “depression” truly don’t have depression. They do however have an excuse to make themselves exposed to idiots feeling sorry for them.
After hearing songs like Lil Uzi's XO Tour Life, Trippie Redd's "Love Scars," and Juice Wrld's "Candles,"I remember joking with my little brother that rappers like these guys are basically the new My Chemical Romance/Fall Out Boy/Panic at the Disco! I grew up listening to most of the early mainstream pop-punk/emo bands and I definitely see similarities. I think its interesting that Juice Wrld and Brendan Urie (Of Panic at the Disco!) Recently did a song together.
People think depression is a personality trait, they think it’s quirky or cool to be “depressed” they aren’t actually sad they just act it. That’s why emo rap is growing so fast
I think an excellent example of emo being blended with rap is nothing,nowhere. Between his current stuff now with Fueled by Ramen, to his older stuff and side projects like never,forever he has stood as an excellent example of those teenage-young adult emotions emo thrives on. I'd have to recommend anyone interested in the genre listen to tracks like Poor Posture, It is what it is, I've Been Doing Well, chokeslam, and all of his other music. Genuinely an excellent artist with a career ahead of him.
I'm surprised he never brought up the late Definitive Jux era of music. El-P, Cage and Aesop Rock definitely helped progress the style of emo rap music.
Hey Anthony, not quite sure if he fits into this wave of emo/ concious / sensitive but maybe you could listen / review Azizi Gibson - Backward Book or Prehistoric till Death Albums (or some of the tracks that where produced with Kamandi) some time. I feel like he has been sleept on for way too long now
Another one of these videos that doesn't mention Cage smh. At first so many long time fans gave him shit and pejoratively called him emo for the direction he took on Depart From Me. Regardless he found a whole new fanbase with that album and it's truly a classic of this subgenre.
Big fucking facts. Eminem and Joe budden were also super emo yet now that the artists look like retards and have zero actual talent besides smoking weed on IG posts, of course they get the credit. Revisionist history is great smh
I love hiphop's first emo-wave with Atmosphere, Sage Francis and Aesop Rock's isolationism. A lot of the newer stuff (not all, mind you) feels more needy for attention than anything else.
I'm disappointed you didn't mentionion eminem or Joe budden. I think they def. took vulnerability to a new level in hiphop first even if done in a more masculine and aggressive way. On the other hand I'm very glad you remembered to mention atmosphere and obvi kudi. Good stuff man 🌍🌍🌍
I remember in the early 2000s people used to call underground hip hop groups like Atmosphere "emo rap" (although I never really understood that lol atmosphere didn't really make sad "lets cry" music imo).. so its *kinda* always been a thing atleast the last almost 20 years or so. Although this stuff nowadays is different than a lot of that stuff.
Agreed. I don't think anyone would have accepted those labels for artists like Atmosphere and Eyedea. People just started calling anything slightly alternative emo
Some say emo rap began from CAGE's depart from me album or his collab with daryl palumbo of glassjaw/head automatica. which technicaly yeah it was the first emo rap sound but idk if any of these artist really listened to cage like that and got their sound from that album.
I was watching the hip hop dx breakdown about emo rap and murs said in it that Tyler was emo rap, and that’s basically been on my mind since for the soul reason that he definitely is just not consistently enough to fit into the specific sub genre
I would add that this has been a common/popular trend in many other genres of music, specifically Top 40 artists/songs. Although this is not a particularly new or recent trend, I find it to be much more "over-the-top" now than it ever used to be. It seems to me that many songwriters intentionally try to make the lyrics in their songs overly emotional in order to appeal to a specific audience (usually a younger one, it seems), despite what their real and genuine emotions might be. This isn't necessarily always "sad" or "depressing" lyrics, but "emotional" lyrics in general (with topics such as love and romance). We all know that music is a business and, as an artist, one must consider how their content is going to be received, and whether or not they are going to make any money off of it. But personally it is hard for me to listen to these artists/songs without cringing, maybe laughing, and usually feeling disappointed at the fact that the lyrics are so out of touch with the artists personality, and are so obviously fabricated and overly emotional; just to sell records, merch, concert tickets, etc.. I, for one, do not want to listen to music that is so "money and fame-driven", and that makes me feel disappointed about the integrity of the music business and the world we live in overall. It all just sounds and feels so fake to me. Just my 2 cents, thought I'd add. Cheers!
Was hoping Fantano would mention him in this video. Eyedea was doing emo rap with experimental production and incredibly dense lyrics like 10+ years ago.
I wouldn't call it a turning point necessarily, but "u" on To Pimp a Butterfly really struck me as a new bar for emotional/mental health awareness in hip-hop (maybe even the album as a whole).
