Fuck the ATF w/ their NFA/GCA Brady bitch bullshit. I can proudly say I have NEVER paid the tyrannical ATF $200 to own something that's 'supposed to be' a constitutional 'protected' right. The ATF needs to be reminded of what happens when your tread in tyrannical waters and mess with people's rights with extreme prejudice. Just because you fucking live in America doesn't make you a good American. The ATF are enemies of the state just like the IRS is.
If only it were that easy. But there’s a thing called “qualified immunity” that makes it hard for people to come after them legally when they did something f’d up and out of line.
@InternetUser-lj7um qualified immunity can and has been revoked in cases previously dependant on the judges view. If they drag on long enough the Judge can revoke it here too as they are in contempt of court.
ATF will claim the triggers were distroyed. The court should then rule that the ATF has to go to RareBreed directly and has to place the orders themselves to replace the triggers they stole.
The entire ATF and DOJ agencies should be held in contempt and made to pay every American they illegally seized property from $1000 a day for every day after the 30 days the ATF fails to return the property. When the ATF budget starts getting hit and their pay is taken away for failing then they will start following the courts orders.
It will only work if, from the beginning, the payments are drawn immediately and exclusively from the salaries of ATF and DOJ management. Until it costs them money, they're just tormenting us and we foot the bill with our tax dollars.
@@JimFosterVO well I do agree the money should be taken directly from the salaries of the employees and leadership who were involved I doubt it would cover the compensation to the actual victims (the Americans who suffered a loss and were caused a great deal of fear [ATF likes to shoot innocent people]) So the rest would have to come out of these agencies budgets which could be paid back by a deduction from the agents salaries over time.
You do realize that Federal judges are are Federal employees, right? It takes balls to rule against your masters already, don't wish too hard or you'll break the well.
While I get the sentiment, the cases/rulings really aren’t related. Bumpstock/FRT ruling relies on the aspect of “single function of the trigger” as it relates to the definition of a machine gun. The Hoover case is entirely different in that the actual device is unquestionably a machine gun under the definition, and the question was if his picture on a card is the same as the actual device. His case would have more relevance to any ruling on the Frames/Receivers ATF rule than anything, as his case hinges on the ambiguous “readily converted” language.
@@sethrich5998 so is a drawing of an auto sear a machine gun too? If I draw a belt fed machine gun is it not an NFA item? The ATF were incapable of turning a single of his cards into an auto sear.
Good news. Love the push back attitude! But let's not forget, it's still a waste of our tax dollars. We paid for the ATF to confiscate them. We paid for the the ATF to file a lawsuit. We paid for the court to tell the ATF you were wrong. Multiple times! Who will be responsible for all that wasted money? BS
Depends on what surrender document was signed by the FRT owners. One form simply gives them up ( and thus likely destroyed) and one form specifically says the item must be saved under the owner's name and is not being 'given up', only turned in. The inference of that form is ATF MUST NOT DESTROY the item and return it if things go south for ATF in court. Those items could be returned almost immediately BTW.
@@Brandon-wh8hr most likely sent to Mexico, since ya know, it’s been numerous times the alphabet bois have been caught sending guns and equipment to cartels
It's only hard if they did not maintain chain of custody, each item should have property tag attached. If they did not, then ATF committed theft by their own admission. As per janet Reno, back in the fay, they do not have 5th amendment rights in the performance of their duties. Time for jail time, who was custodian of the property list, start there.
Well neither can congress. "The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Nowhere in there is anything that allows congress to pass any form of gun law.
shame on any firearm manufactures that are still selling to LEO, literally stop all sales to LEO and Government workers across the nation. Hold Fast men!
oh god... RIP to your inbox and mailbox. Hope you used a fake email address and didn't use your real mailing address. Enjoying moving if you didn't. Last time I opened my mailbox I had two pounds of mail from gun orgs begging for money after I donated to NAGR. I'm never going to donate to any of them again because they don't stop when you politely ask them to. From what I understand now, they all are like that and sell/share your data.
- The ATF will just shrug, never assign anyone to actually mail the triggers out, and never get punished for it, because who's going to enforce against them? The FBI? Unlikely. 😢 At most they'll create shipping labels so they can say, "Oh look, they must have been sent," and then dump everything in a hole.
It will be easier and cost far less to send the triggers back then it took to collect them. They sent multiple agents out to every single address, some mutiple times to get them. Now they just have to drop them in a box and slap a shipping label on them. Their argument, like always, is pathetic.
If the trigger was installed, they stole whatever it was installed in. Swapped out trigger in your high end AR with ACOG, laser, lights and whatever else you wanted to hang on it - and theft is far larger than just the trigger pack.
In my opinion, all these Constitution hating terrorists, need lawsuit filed on. them. in the BILLIONs of dollars, especially when they keep trying same case over and over , it great for a win , but take all their cash and they can't keep doing it , over and over and over again
The part that gets me is the fact when the court rules in favor to the government its immediate. You go to jail or prison, your fined or whatever the ruling is. The opposite is true when the court rules against the government. In this case, 11, 000 FRT's were stolen by the ATF but even though the court said to the ATF, you were wrong, you lose, now return what you stole, but the ATF says they cannot. What the recourse, under this justice system, the people are the only ones that have to obey the law or go to prison. What do think will happen to the ATF if they say to the court, we're not returning the 11,000 FRT we stole. The answer is: Not one damn thing. Oh, there will be a multitude of lawyers speaking a lot of word spoken and paperwork going back and forth, but at the end of the day do you think the AFT will do jail time like you and would have to - Hell No! Here's the proof. Congress is passing a law to curb the VA from taking veteran's Constitutional rights, a VA official appeared in front of congress said, and I quote: The VA will not abide with this law that Congress passed. We have to obey the laws but the administration does not.
I would not be surprised if the ATF didn't actually properly document who they took them from ON PURPOSE so that A: they couldn't be forced to return them, and B: the ATF employees could abscond with them for their own personal use.
Assuming these FRT's were destroyed before being fully ruled on, I'd think those people that had their property seized and subsequently destroyed are due compensation. I can't quite equate this to Civil Asset Forfeiture however.
If I'm not mistaken Rarebreed triggers won it's patent infringement case against BDU. Part of the settlement was that all WOT triggers that had not been sold we're now property of Rarebreed And could be sold by Rarebreed.
Seems like there's now a 2 part test for machine guns (Cargill v Garland) : 1. Does the product fire mechanism function automatically? 2. Does the product fire (automatically) with a single function of the trigger? Ex. Forced Reset Triggers/SuperSafety: Q1. Yes. Q2. No. Verdict: not a machine gun. You would need a yes for both to be a machine gun. Still unconstitutional though.
That's the key word, "Unconstitutional". Machine guns the radical left calls "Weapons of war" should be allowed in the hands of free people because we know the ATF, FBI, USMS and other federal entities have them.
@@danietkissenle US Marshals full under DoJ and do the bidding of the Executive branch. Compliance with the Judicial branch's orders is pretty much voluntary they have nobody to enforce their orders (unless the DoJ chooses to enforce)
They had the ability to send letters and personnel to demandcotizens relinquish FRTs they need to reverse the process and RETURN EVERY SINGLE FRT THEY ILLEGALLY TOOK FROM TAX PAYING CITIZEN !
The AFT is like Vegas is anymore, it's a one way road with your money and the house always wins, and return isn't in their vocabulary and personality I'm soooooo glad I'm not on the return property list!!! Great educational content as always and keep up the great work ❤
Setting aside any debate about whether or not a gun registry is a good idea or not, if the making acquiring or keeping of one by any government entity is prohibited by Federal Law, it should be stopped immediately.
the ATF says they can't find some of these triggers then what they should do is reimburse everyone at what the current market price is for these things and then add an extra couple hundred dollars to it for the inconvenience of their screw up
Would love to see quite a bit more than a couple hundred, but I'm certain they'd find some way to pull it from somewhere other than their own budget. We really should be holding government officials personally responsible, criminally and monetarily, when a violation of rights occurs. It's insane that we sue the entire organization instead of the people that actually caused this.
call in 6000 ATF agents and then each agent only has to mail out 2 FRTs to the owners .. this could be done all in one day. I think Friday would be a good day for this.
It is hard to return the triggers because they take them home. Just like drugs they seize guns they seize money they seize any property they seize. OR sell it all on the black market.
"We went through all those records to find who owns these so we could mobilize task forces so we could take them... but we don't want to go through our records and mail their property back. It's too Hard!" ~ ATF ( a useless government agency of tyrant lackies )
Oh, those triggers are gone. The ATF more than likely assumed it wouldn't be challenged and destroyed them almost immediately after stealing them. That's why they're dragging their feet. They physically can't return them nor even want to.
I appreciate that tyranny has been put in its place. I also understand unrealistic deadlines. Ideally, ATF will agree do what they need to do (legally and morally) and will spend their immediate efforts on figuring out how much time it will take to actually return the illegally confiscated FRTs instead of trying to change the court's decision.
Honestly, shouldn't we all be working on getting a complete repeal of the NFA, GCA, and other amendments to the NFA? The militia clause clearly implies the right to own the same firearms that infantry soldiers carry. Those are currently full auto SBRs.
I love seeing the Ultradyne shirt! Their brakes are awesome, and their iron sights are way cool. I love my brakes and C4 sights! Thanks for the coverage on current 2A news!
I would be disappointed if the 5th throws out the vacatur. The vacatur was based on the 'logical outgrowth' of the rule, which is a really solid basis. The final rule varied a ton from the proposed rule that included a convoluted worksheet and nearly no language about penalties. Judge O'Conner needs to tell the ATF that they are wasting time and now they only have 15 days left. The court can't force the ATF to give them back, however, 11,000 people could file lawsuits against the ATF on day 31 if they do not return our property. I am counting down the days and I do not want the judge to give them extra time.
That the ATF doesn't know who they seized what from, it was improperly gathered evidence. They then shipped them around the country, rather than keeping it at the relevant field office, or even regional offices or a single location, is amazing. The chain of evidence has been blown, and I have every reason to believe that if Judge O'Conner handed US Marshals written orders to take custody of the evidence with in 24 hours, the ATF would have no idea where a lot of these items are. This is scenario is the twincest version of why Baldwin's charges were tossed. So sorry for the folks who've lost property, but that would be awesome from everyone.
Funny thing is the ATF is paid by you! They take your money, use it to criminalize you and steal your stuff! I bet ATF agents have all the best stolen stuff! I envy them!
I really hope that the judge gives the ATF for the failure to return property as well as fines for loss of use. That would be great for the plaintiffs. Bad for the tasc players, but just.
ATF will footdrag and hold thier breath and claim paperwork problems or computer errros or just plain gee, we cant find them right now excuses. Hoping Congress will keep propping the ATF up. It will be years before anyone gets their property returned.
That would mean that the ATF would have to send out more than 11,000 of those frts and they do have everyone's information that They confiscated them from you can absolutely guarantee that one so like I said they should reimburse these people monetarily and let them get themselves another trigger the simplest solution
IMO, this is not even about FRTs, it's about consuming as many resources that NAGR/SAF/GOA etc. can come up with, therefore preventing them from moving the 2A forward.
Theyve already destroyed or stolen A LOT of those triggers. Whats the over under on the atf leaking stolen FRTs out onto the market for "illegal machine gun stings" and now have zero way of getting them back.
It's gonna be hard for the atf to give e back all of the illegally obtained from triggers because all of the atf agents already took em home and sold them in the black market or put them in their own guns
The most mindblowing stupidity that stems from US criminal laws is that the qualified immunity is assumed and must be taken away. Everywhere else, qualified immunity can be granted by the court (senate/jury) or the local dictator (juntas in Africa, North Korea, etc.), but is not assumed/the basis that must be overturned.
7:08 What an issue may be: The ATF asking their friends and families to return all of the FRT triggers, so they can return them to the original owners.🤔
They are an unorganized terrible government agency just like the ATF. You couldn't be any further from the Truth if you were to believe they are worth any salt today. Join places like GOA, FPC, NAGR, people who ACTUALLY fight for rights!
The problem I see with creating protected classes of people , is the equal protection under the law clause of the constitution. That puts the courts in the position of being discriminatory against certain people. Last I heard, that's a judicial No-No.
I would love to see the ATF held in contempt of court for not just complying with the court order. Most likely they will be given an extension to comply.
Funny how I never got a letter, call, or knock on my door for the RB FRT I paid cash for. With credit card companies having an MCC Merchant code for firearms purchases, online orders having databases to track, no wonder they want to go digital money. Cash brings anomality the ATF is powerless to track.
They know they are going to lose this issue, SO they are going to press ahead to declare all Semi-auto guns are now part of the NFA! They are already laying the ground work.
