Rarer Than The Singer?! "JSB" Colt 1911A1 | Walk-In Wednesday 

No this 1911 is not the rarest. The examples produced by North American Arms are the most difficult to find and when available command a premium.

The rarest of the rare would be the North American Arms 1911's produced in Canada in 1917 I believe. Only 100 tool room examples were made.

So why the big deal on who inspected to pistol. My Hanes underwear was checked by Inspector 12 and I'm selling them (un-used) for 5 Bills

IF, in fact, the owner received that pistol from the CMP as a service grade for $1050, then he did in fact win the jackpot. But I guarantee the civilian marksmanship program who sold the pistol would NEVER have knowingly sold a JSB to somebody for 1050. That particular colt would have been auctioned off on the CMP’s website.

Now that the cat is out of the bag you can be sure that CMP will look for "JSB" in their inventory and will only sell them in their 1911 auction.

It might be rare now, but if the Government has piles of these hidden away, who knows what will happen when they come up for auction? Remember all those rare Morgan Dollars that appeared in the 1960's after a Government clear out?

There is less of them but the Singers were made like a Swiss watch, to me, that's what makes it special.

I would value the Singer guns well above a few last run guns that happen to have the last inspector's initials on them. I fully understand the value of the Singer guns, I don't understand giving guns a high value because "JSB" inspected them at the end of the run.

Rare 1911A1. How about the North American Arms (Canadian Built?).

I have been collecting military and all types of gear and firearms for over 35 years me my dad and grandfather so I have seen a lot,and I love the vids and your Chanel 2👍👍 . Can you please tell me and the rest of us what’s the big deal about this JSB stuff ? there is a lot of people who like to know. I have never been Abel to figure it out I get singer and the rear 500 and the history and story and it’s cool 😎. Now I could see if it was Audie Murphy‘s 45 or Patons 45 or colt 45 that was captured by Rommel and he carried it during the war but I’m not getting why a certain guy who worked for a company who his job was to inspect guns or equipment whatever you have he didn’t use it on the front lines he wasn’t a soldier he was just an inspector who worked at the company to make sure that these guns were in good working condition under military guidelines. From what I have seen over years the collator world like to hype up the littles thing a mark stamp and so on to raise the prices on items they are selling it just rings to me like the black widow Luger or the black widow P 38 people that made up the term and manufactured the Luger by changing the grips and all other things like that and it sounds cool and they look good but they were getting crazy money at times lol Just my thoughts and I’m not trying to insult anybody or hurt anyone’s feelings I just would like to know why a single mark or a stamp or somebody who did their job in a plant made these things so much money and I understand it a bit yes you got a guy how looked at 50 guns and then a guy how looked and stamped 10.000 guns less rear that’s all thank you.

My CMP 1911A1 is a parts bin pistol. The only thing WWII about mine is the frame made in early 1945. Everything else is either Colt part made for the commercial market or Israeli made replacement slide. Definetly not worth the $1050 I forked over for it. On your 1911 the MSH is serrated but the hammer is checkered. The hammer is not original to the pistol. If the slide stop and thumb safety are checkered then those too are not original to the gun. That said it's way more original than the mixed breed pistol I bought.

Dad passed his JSB 1911 down to me when he died. I don't think he knew what a rarity he had....It's also one of the lowest serial numbers (starts with 2359) I've ever seen during my research.

I think Id have an easier time finding a Singer than a new 2020 or 2021 Colt!

Fascinating information! I'm surprised it took me so long to find your channel, glad i eventually did tho! Keep up the great work! P.s.- i think part of what i enjoy is that not only am i learning, but sometimes you're learning too. I dont know why, but for me that makes it even more engaging and authentic feeling

None of the CMP auctions go for no where near as low as 1k. You can go look now and there is some mismatched stuff. They have 5 or 6 up right now. This guy probably paid 2500-2600 for this one if it was one won in Auction. He could have received it in just the normal shipped bunch they did but the armors are good about catching auction worthy ones. I think your confused on how CMP did these. They shipped out up to date about 18,000. Then anything they considered more rare than just the regular ol mismatched rearsenaled ones they put up for Auction. You just missed the last sign up closing date was March 4th. And who knows how long it will take to get it. So, in closing there is two things going on over at CMP. One is they pull numbers for however many they plan on doing this year and then there is the auctions which you can go over and participate anytime as-long as you send in all your qualifying documents.

Rare indeed but the Singers have a much better history, story, manufacturing and quality. That will always command a higher premium.

I waited for years to get one, like I was issued in the Navy, but when I found out that you had to jump through so many hoops to get one I was pissed, so I just bought a new Colt. Then while at the local gun candy store one came in, a genuine war time Colt, in like new condition, dang. It could have been one of these.

I just got my 1911A1 from the CMP. It's a Field Grade with a Remington Rand slide and 6 digit Colt Frame. It's been reparked probably recently but I'm still happy with it. Sure they are not serious collector pieces but for the price you can't beat it. Now a days you usually can't touch a U.S. property marked 1911 (even a Frankenstein one) for less than $2,000.

Thanks, very interesting again :-)

Begley also inspected late war S&W Victory models. Charles Pate 's " Secondary Handguns of WW 2" has a bit of information about JSB and tons more of info. Begley was a civilian and attorney.

Hi from England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Awesome video! When i watch this channel it makes me so envious of you guys in the USA We have to have a firearms certificate for a high powered airgun! Love the information and history associated with these firearms 👌🏻

the 1911 is an incredible piece of American small arms history and this gun in particular.

A 1911 with a "story" (gun that "served") is more appealing to me, gives me bigger thrill, than a Singer that is new, unissued, and never "went to war" (even if it is super-rare or "made like a Swiss watch", as someone said above) . But it is only my point of view… (living in Europe, I can not own any, issued or unissued, so it is only a matter of looking on the screen for me :)

Back in the 60's aboard the USS Stormes DD780 .. the ship's armory had a number of 1911's .. I always liked one in particular and wrote home to my dad that I was using a 1911 made by the Singer Sewing Machine Co. He had a good laugh! We had firearm practice and saved old cans from the garbage for targets .. That particular .45 I could hit well with .. not so much with the others.

Thanks...ln 1962 l was in the NRA as such you could order a 1911 new still in wrapped in gue lol in the box for $25.00 l still have mine....!

Hi Tom, another good video. I recently received a 1911A1 from the Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) after roughly a two year wait and found it to be a great deal. I received a Remington Rand in the service grade (best grade available) for $1,050 which included a beautiful hard case, documentation and shipping. For the money, a good gun to take to the range and shoot all afternoon! As a member of the Forks of the Delaware Historical Arms Society you can apply for one of these pistols using the clubs member number.

You will have me searching my books now. If your reading this do you happen to have a copy of the Police Lugers book by Ed Tinker?lol

2.47 gsb guns JSB?? DID I HEAR CORRECTLY

Well, it's an inspectors marks soooo there's that. But to a collector it's the maker of a gun/model that is far more important. Then only if one is splitting hairs then the number of that gun inspected by a certain person would that come into play. Soooo Singer made 1911 will always be far more valuable.

I have a WWll rifle that was supposably in The battle at Normandy. How can I check this out?

When the CMP was releasing these 1911A1s for civilian sale, they were going through each one and culling out the rare and valuable examples for sale via a separate auction. Apparently like you, the CMP wasn't aware of the value of the JSB inspection stamped guns, but I'm sure they are now. I doubt that any more JSB guns will be released via the normal CMP sales program, but may well show up as "Auction Grade" guns.

This channel is awesome. 100% addicted to it.

Thank you for the content. I have a JSB Colt and enjoyed your video.

Tom...I think you hurt some feelings when you said. "So you think you know a lot about guns?" LMAO. Another good vid. Thanks for posting.

Great video. Good information I did not know either. 🇺🇸🇨🇱

It's no hi point but it's nice lol

Outstanding video and presentation.

The CMP had a lottery that just ended 3/4/21 - it may be several months until anyone knows if they can get one, the pistols go from 880-1080 depending on condition, most reviews of the pistols have been positive.

Nice video and a nice special Colt,but i would like a Singer insted also😉

These are rare enough that Clawson was keeping up with how many he had seen and I am sure you may have seen the same info but he had seen more than 12 or 13. I also just found out it did come thru the auction side and not the mass numbers side. Good grab, wanna sell it? Lol

After I watched this vid., I checked my 1911, and: IT HAS the JSB stamped on it!!! Maybe I'll send it in to Legacy for their appraisal....

I have a Remington 1903 “Springfield” that was built in early 43 I think, it was before they made the A303. The stock that is on it now I guess,after rearsenal has the JSB cartouche. This is confusing though because mine has the original barrel. So no telling how the stock ended up on there.

According to a book about Winchester, they had been issued a number series toward the end of WW2 and they tooled up to manufacture them. The war came to an end and they were no longer needed to produce them. However, a trial run of 50 pistols were made. If anyone can find one, you can. I would trade every gun in my collection for ONE .45 with the Winchester markings on it.

Shouldn't the P on the slide and frame match as they were marked with the same stamp?

Great find and more so paper trail 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

The Holi Grail is rarerrrrrr..lol Awesome video

Someone got lucky. There may be a few more JSB pistols at CMP but I bet not very many more.

The muzzle end was heat treated and was only done by Colt to my knowledge. It is darker and rather unmistakable.

Somehow I was under the impression (I don't remember where I heard? (probably on youtube somewhere?)) that the civilian marksmanship program was legislated out of existence sometime in the sixties (maybe they said that the changes made then (defunding the program and privatizing it's administration) "effectively killed" the program??) I'm glad to see it is still around though.

Another Walk in Wednesday history winner. 👏🇺🇸

Didn't Inglis make 2 or 3 1911s?

wow grate vid,,,thank you

The rockola is also very rare.

I apply to all the lotteries, never win any

Bloke 🎉real nicey....pues dicey bucko...😢😮😊

What about the Canadian North American Arms .45s? They are so rare NOBODY has ever seen one!

Nice

I have colt with stamp of springfield armory.

You are the "Indiana Jones" of the guns, great Colt, great video, thanks Tom Saludos desde Colombia!!!

Got a Remington rand, it's not an A1. Ser# comes back as a colt made 1915?

Resign as an expert, Willy Wonka won the gold lottery

Nice gun

Like no 570 from Jakarta Indonesia 🇮🇩 👍🏻

Thanks Tom. Rich.

Thank s

How much is a slightly pitted Singer 1911 reBlued worth ??? 🤙🏼

They always come up with a 1911 that is more rarer than the last or is it more rare brah 🤔

Where do you go for these government auctions?

This is not fair - You always keep the best guns

Anyone else here apply for the second round of 1911s from the CMP

Now do a mud test with some wolf ammo

Would you rather shoot that 76 year old colt or a first run Glock ?

Thank you for sharing

It’s an 11 point shoot, wtf

Indisputably, I got my MA in linguistics, I know this shiz.

I liked it untill you took it apart

Great video

"Arguably"

Arguably

Super, ka Schas !

Thanks Tom , great video, and as usual, you are the man when it comes down to these war relics.

nice stuff tom

It IS NOT a "1911", it IS a 1911A1! And you call yourself a collector /ex-spurt? I think you're just someone with a lot of money to spend.