So she was fascinated with black culture once her siblings came into the picture that she wanted to change her entire identity. Sad thing is she could have done everything she wanted to do without pretending to be black. Down to the style, her work etc. She didn't have to lie to be accepted by black people. She could of embraced our culture without all the lies
women look like their fathers the nose on the dead looks similar but I'm going to sit here and say looks are subjective to the viewer... when she was a white girl I don't think she look like either one of them 🤷🏿♀️
@@wildwaymonee8o8 she still is white. You can't change your race, just like you can't change your sex. Some things in life we just have to grin and bear
HendrixUntilDeath if my parents were evil and allowed my continued abuse I'D FUCKING WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM TOO. I WOULD TELL EVERYONE THEY DIED.
www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2015/06/lets-talk-about-rachel-dolezals-parents.html Her parents outed Rachel because their son, Rachel's brother - sexually abused Rachel's adopted sister who took th chance of being exposed by her parents by supporting her little sister. They are abusive parents, and reading this was a real eye opener.
I attended Belhaven University...a very Conservative college. Rachel by her lies and deception has isolated herself. Her lies have proven that she is not a sincere, moral person.
I'd be extremely broken hearted if my white blonde hair daughter lost her mind and started acting like a retard in front of the world and lying about everything she possibly can. I feel absolutely terrible for these nice people.
These people come across as dispassionate and disconnected, especially the woman. She shows very little emotion. As crazy as their daughter is, I have no problem believing some of the things she said about her parents being neglectful and abusive. I think Rachel’s issues started with how she was raised - as most people’s issues do. It’s psychology 101.
They are wonderful people, and raised their children in a very well balanced way. We were very proud of the family and thought their children had every advantage that a child would want. Everyone who knows them would testify to everything they say is truth. Rachel is living in her own false world of fantasy. These people are very well respected, and honored by the whole community! This is not their problem! This is Rachel’s problem!
You do not know them at all! I do! They are 100% honest, and have Sterling character? I have known Ruthanne all her life, being her aunt. She and Larry are totally trustworthy.
Shes a talented artist. It's sad that she just couldn't be a white woman who enjoys black culture. She would be prosperous. But lies will always haunt and dox you. Karma is real.
@@anneliselaflamme4354 not originally. It was her sister Ester, who was being raped by their brother Josh. Dont down play her trauma, the fuck is wrong with you
I wish my mom and dad were alive to see me grow as an adult. To be honest, sometimes it gets really sad not to have your parents around you because I miss them a lot especially when I need emotional support. I don't understand her how she is living her life as if her parents were dead. So sorry for all of them. (And I am not talking about those ugly people who don't deserve to be parents.)
Creepy parents. Wayyyyy too calm and the way they describe her as a child gets me. How does a " PERFECT, COMPASSIONATE, DETERMINED" child turn into a lying, attention seeking, identity disordered woman?!
How does an obedient, loving child turn into a drug addict, and lie and steal even from loving parents? They yield to Satan and give over to immorality and theft, and low living. They can repent and confess their sins, and ask forgiveness and be restored. That is what Jesus came to do for us. That is what Rachel needs to do. If you knew her parents and family, you would love and respect them. Every person is responsible for their own behavior. Even King David, the man after God’s own heart had some very wicked sons. One raped his sister, and one tried to steal the throne of Israel from his Father David.
Be careful how you judge innocent people! God will use the same yardstick on you that you use on others! “By their fruits ye shall know them.” Larry and Ruthanne have a life full of honorable and righteous living. Rachel is lying about almost everything she says. If she disliked you, she would lie about you.
i was abused as a child.sexually and psychologically.i can smell abusive parents miles away.believe me,these parents are shady as hell.no normal parents talk shit so easily about their child even if she's on the wrong path.no tears and completely detached.abusers always repeat constantly "you better say how sorry you are if you want to regain our trust","nothing ever happened","you're lying,you're exaggerating".,"you just want attention".her father looks absolutely dangerous and the mother is a cold ,cold heartless human being.don't be fooled by abusers.where do you think rachel learned how to lie and decieve everyone?.in french we say "dogs don't give birth to cats".as long as they do not pay,rachel will NEVER snap out of her identity crisis.
I think this stems from her wanting attention at a young age her parents adopted black foster children, foster children need a little more attention, she saw they were getting a little more attention than her, so she somehow correlated that attention to the fact that they were black children and not because they were foster children, so to cope with that she tried to make a black identity and it stuck with her.
When mum said "Exclusively" 😂. It's making more sense now, she probably saw her parents give attention to the adopted black kids and it felt like a gap to her and wanted to be more like them to get more or the same attention.
The mom was my principal in high school & she was batsh*t crazy. Not saying what Rachel did was okay by any means, but I can’t imagine the trauma their kids went through.
Jerry A. I wish I would have had her parents. My dad was in prison for 10 years, when he wasn't in prison he abused drugs and alcohol and I remember being whooped with a 2x4 on several occasions, once for spitting on my brother. My mom was a drug addict on welfare for 15 years and didn't even acknowledge her children. I don't even think I had a bad childhood. Where I come from broken families are normal. Her parents seem like saints compared to the parents many of us grow up with.
It’s interesting that Rachel who shows a pattern of deceit and narcissistic tendencies-and not white lies but extensive ones, and people here are absolutely sure everything she said about her parents are 100% true and not her perspective of it. Some people speak differently doesn’t mean they are creepy. They aren’t used to interviews so what if they come off not natural. She dissociates herself and completely denounces any part of her that is white and focuses on saying all of us cake from Africa. There is nothing wrong with saying I want to support a certain culture, race, etc yet she take it to the extreme and wants to abolish their heritage which includes her parents who are white so she does not want to be connected to them.
The mother was my high school principal. They came into my classroom once & showed off all the stuff they got from Africa on their missionary trip & talked about their adopted children. The father openly used the N word to describe his kids. This family is beyond messed up.
I am happy that they didn't raise me. They are so full of themselves and basically denying every responsability. If someone asks you if you could have done anything different to raise your child and your answer is simply "everybody said we did perfect" you have no common sense , self reflection or even self worth. The only thing that seems important for them is how the outside world views them. I totally understand the rebellion of Rachel and her verbal punches towards them. They particularly seem to get to her mother who seems more like an ice queen than a concerned mother. If she would be my mom, i would call myself a unicorn to distance myself from her.
lol your weird bro they seem cool to me, obviously the moms kinda cold but her daughter deleted her so it makes sense. they even praise her time after time. no one wants to take blame it's always the parents that must did some evil shit lol by that logic even if your right we could blame the parents parents and then parents, parents, parents and so on.
@@daltondenun858 i am weird because i think as parents they shouldn't go an a press tour to bash their daughter? maybe our values towards family differ, bro.
@@marcelredplanet3765 when did they bash her? also even if they did she would deserve it cus what she doing is fucking sick, maybe your family values include encouraging crazy behaviour.
@@daltondenun858 you said it. If she really is mentally sick in any way it is best to go on national television. My family values include sticking to each other no matter what and dealing with problems privately.
The slanderous accusations being made against these parents based on hearsay alone are absolutely shameful. And the defence and excuses being made for a grown, adult person who knowingly lied and deceived, clearly, for personal gain are just as shameful. Truly, we live in a world where the guilty are acquitted and the innocent condemned. Unbelievable.
i absolutely agree!i was raped and abused starting 5 years old.i can smell abuse 1000 miles away.when rachel says she was also raped,amid all her lies,i do believe she is telling the truth.as people submitted to abuse often develop dissociative identity or personality disorders.i myself did not know "who i was".and this rachel obviously is going through a copig mecanism by thinking she's black.what she did is wrong and she betrayed a community.but it goes to show:don't abuse kids!i too hope they go to court and pay!
He’s a good dad, really in tune with his daughter.. she is really lucky her dad knows this much about her. My parents raised me, and they weren’t bad parents, but they never knew me the way these folks know their daughter. Wow!
I believe the parents, they criticize her but do praise her for what she does do. i think Rachel probably just feels like she needs to find an identity. I think she wants people to look up to her like many extreme Type A personalities. Sometimes privileged people will try to find and create chaos for attention as well.
When she applied to college what ethnicity did she put? When she applied for jobs what ethnicity does put? Has it every changed? If so, when did it change?
I'm a mother, As I look at this mother, I see an extreme amount of heartbreak. She's really broken up by her daughter's selfish behavior. I can identify with this mother.....💔
I'm going to say this years later.. as I've had time to reflect... she doesn't look like either one of her parents to me she looks sort of like her dad .. looks are subjective..but as a white woman she's not attractive.. so I can see why she transformed herself to be black because she's more attractive as a black woman and that's just the truth.. she looks great with braids she looks great with kinky hair... and I think that she needs to do an ancestry DNA because somewhere down the line there's some black there.. now we can all say we're all black because we just found out that the mother of society is a black woman..🙄 but moving forward when she looks in the mirror I can see why she don't see white.... when you're thinking of aesthetics like she was talking about with the hair.. she didn't like the way she looked as a white woman and neither did I... I think she looks totally better as a black woman and she knows it too ..of course that's embarrassing for her parents or the people who say they're her parents ..I just feel like the dad had a fling with a quadroon..or something... but even if that were true she will still be classified as white.... and I'm not taking up for nothing that she did ..of course she has multiple personality disorders and that's these people fault who are saying they are her parents... 👆🏾.. a mother knows her child this woman needs to come clean about what they did to Rachel... something happened to her in a formulative years that they are responsible for.. 🤷🏿♀️ and I also have to say this because I was raised in a so-called Christian household as well okay.. the smug quiet pious look and tone of the parents hides anger rage and severe abuse.... I've seen it with my own two eyes with my own parents my mother is a pastor and talks just like this woman quiet and pious and Jesus this and Jesus that when the cameras go off and she steps off that Podium.. she's a DEMON.. the biggest you ever want to see in your life ..she's a whole fraud and because she knows how to play the Christian woman to the hilt she fooled so many people in the church and in the street.. but at WORK and in her Personal Life the true her comes out... at work everybody hates my mom.. she's a troublemaker she's a backstabber she's a liar she gets people fired for no reason she talks about other women who she's jealous of calling them ugly all kind of stuff she's a ugly lonely woman on the inside Monday thru Sat.. but on Sunday and on special days when she has to perform ..like David Koresh...she's loving and pious and she talks so quiet ..she's a FRAUD... I know a fraud when I see one... and the mere fact that she had to deal with two frauds in her life because the dad looks extremely scary under the cover of night... these people are putting on an act... and they got the town fooled... but they can't fool me... this ole woe is me pity party that the parents is putting on is the most fraudulent acting job I've ever seen in my life.. maybe this is where their daughter learned it from 🤔
interesting perspective on the parents and their motives/true character. i can see the "mask"..........and I have personally known families/parents in "Christian" circles like this.....it can be very deceptive........however, as for appearance, i think she both looks AND sounds like her Mom. their voices are similar (a distinct type of slightly nasally pronunciation that sounds different than most voices I've heard....maybe it is a regional accent they share), as are some facial features (not all).
Did anyone else notice that they said they hadn't seen the interview this morning and then the interviewer asked them a question about it and they admitted to seeing it
They specifically said in the beginning they did not watch it live as it aired, but rather watched it after it aired live. Just because you don't hear what they said doesn't mean they "lied". Did anyone else notice how you claimed that they said something that they clearly did not say? Yes.....yes I noticed you doing that, moron!
@@Vibez-o5k maybe you should of actually paid attention in the beginning stupid because they clearly said they watched it after it aired live. Why do you believe that if something goes over your head that must mean someone else is lying? Maybe it's a simple case of you not paying attention to what they said, or it could also be a case of you paying attention and hearing what they said but you're just a moron that doesn't understand a statement as basic as "we didn't watch it as it aired, but we watched it after".
the parents are lying about something... they're embarrassed understandably... maybe they're embarrassed that their white daughter or so they say chose another race maybe they're embarrassed that she got caught something is not clean in the milk with these two I don't care what nobody say... they have to take some responsibility for Rachel's upbringing
The key is when they say she changed after they adopted 4 children. It sounds like she felt horrifically marginalised, so assumed a new identity of a people who were equally marginalised in her eyes. Shit parenting, basically. I think she was felt traumatised by getting fucked over by her parents adopting 4 new siblings, that she 'adopted' herself into a new family. It also seems rather striking that she campaigns for a her new identity as a way of taking revenge on her parents who were campaigning in their own right by adopting. Using their weapon against them. Rachel is obviously a fantasist, delusional, and a pathological liar, but in her interviews she also seems kind and good-hearted - it's bizarre to say it, but it just strikes me that's the truth. A pretty tragic story.
Oscar Montes I'm not sure now. There's something definitely not right about the father, and I think the mother might just be covering for him because she knows his 'dark side'.
No!something is Up (I don't like this Woman at all) BUT her mother seems off!!! and that the 2nd time MOLESTATION has come up in this woman story! There are some deep secret someone trying to keep buried here!
+Jeneadeheayea L Granger I think her mother is the one whos most angry about this and angry at her and with good reason. Thats comes across as "off" in your eyes. Shes the one whos most upfront about it. Her father seems to be more diplomatic.
Several years ago a woman found out she was black and was angry with her mom because both live their lives as a white people. This happened in the 60's when racial tensions were higher than they are now. Her mom was a light skinned black woman and her father was black with dark skin. Before she was born her mom moved up north is where she met her white husband. She made up a story that the father had died. Her mom would never go out during the day especially in summer months, she would always wear gloves and big hats to shield her from teh sun if she had to go outside. She even recalled her mom wearing make-up to bed and when asked why she said if there was an emergency she wanted to look her best. She recalled her dad who was a racist using the N word during the civil rights movement and her mom calming him down. Well her parents died and she wanted to know more about her real dad. She traced it back to one of teh southern states and saw the birth certificate. It listed her mom name race C as in colored ... it listed the father name race C then all the things her mom did to hide her true identity came back and she was angry. She lived a better life guarded by racism and how many times her mom lived through the racist comments by her husband. If Rachel Dolezal father is white she's white and its nothing to be ashamed of don't do as this mother did and live the lie blacks are angry because they had struggled to get where they are and she like most white people do took it away by playing black. This is another form of racism its like she made like she was black to gain what black people have.
Why should they "accept responsibility for Rachel" she was 37 years old! She is well and truly responsible for herself regardless of her childhood baggage etc. There comes a time where you have to take ownership of your own decisions.
I m black man from Africa . I lived and worked in Idaho almost 12 years. My co-worker who is from Mexico clearly told me that i wasn't black and that she should be considered black compared to me.
I believe it was Dave Chappelle who said "The worst thing to call somebody is crazy. It's dismissive. "I don't understand this person. So they're crazy." That's bullshit. These people are not crazy. They strong people. Maybe their environment is a little sick" -DAVE CHAPPELLE
I agree. That said I don’t know enough to pass any judgement but I must admit my mind goes to, “mom got with a high yellow Afro American “mail man”... I’m not proud of that tho...
They should. We should know how much these people love the idea of mixing race. I'm not sure why they would be so worried about her going off pretending to be Black, if they "love and accept" everything that is fundamentally not them.
If you guys haven't noticed the mother is the brains of this operation. They discussed beforehand who would do the bulk of the talking. The father has a propensity to anger and thusly reckless comments. When he says before 12:30 "the only part of it that's mad..." then says "saddening", Freud might possibly call that a 'slip of the tongue'. There's evidence of his reactiveness at 8:20 when he says "thats why I said I''ll continue" in response to M trying to clarify the comment he was making. After 12:30, Mother "mm hmm" at the comment Father makes about "hardly endorsing the other advocacy work she's done". M is a little critical of that reckless comment, M thinking "why wouldn't we endorse her other advocacy work...? Ren (& Stimpy) voice "You iiiidiot". Listen to the "mm hmm", say it in your head and think about what that sounds like to you. Doesn't it sound like skepticism??? She "mm hmm"s at the interviewer at one point in response to a question around 7:00 or 8, totally different tone. 16:00 about "didn't ever restrain her"...what parent doesn't at some point have to restrain/limit their child??? Especially among a Christian Fundamental household, where there are a lot of rules to inculcate into your children's behavior, of which your child has very little innate 'knowledge'. There's a lot of ALL or NOTHING/ALWAYS and NEVER in this interview from the parents. Their dishonesty is glaringly apparent. Within a fundamentalist community what the neighbor thinks/the community thinks" is always looming behind you informing everything you do and therefore the impressions you're trying to make. They have obviously mastered the art of pretense and propriety (and emotional repression), tbh they're stiff as shit lol (M more than F, revealing to me her capacity for emo control (until her son's allegations come up), at least F slightly gestures with his hands when he talks). Parents living in a teepee for a month corroborated by adopted brother Ezra (who supports parents narrative), yet they avoid mentioning that when asked about Rachel growing up in a teepee ( reveals their consciousness/responsiveness/management of public opinion). And Jesus Christ was on her birth certificate as "Attendant", yet no acknowledgment. imdiversity.com/diversity-news/rachel-dolezal-i-wasnt-identifying-as-black-to-upset-people-i-was-being-me/ (scroll to bottom) The fact of the matter is if you're going to discredit someone don't give any credence to ANY of their claims. TOTAL denial/neglect of truths is the MO. I know some of my comments may sound specious, but body language is rich in revelation, so is tone of voice. I'm particularly skilled at interpreting that. This info found AFTER the interview. "You should never start with a conclusion" (which research beforehand would promote). I've seen 1 or 2 Rachel interviews before the parents, and read briefly into her story. www.nbcrightnow.com/story/29310159/new-information-about-spokane-naacp-president - adopted brother Isaish claims of abuse www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2015/06/lets-talk-about-rachel-dolezals-parents.html - corroboration of abuse by Troy individuals familiar with the Dolezal family (and their adopted son) SIDENOTE: M looks like David Duchovny!! : P
You’re so right on. AT 15:35, the cat meows, and the dad makes some small joke, but the mother says “Shhhh” to the dad” - this one moment was very telling that she’s controlling the whole thing and how they are presented. At first I was astonished at how calm these two are, especially the mother… because monks that meditate a lot are usually that calm! But an emotionally repressed psycho? I guess I learned something important today. I guess it’s like Jekyll and Hyde- they come across as very sweet wearing a mask to the public but behind closed doors is a horror movie. At 24:17, after the father has been talking “off script” for a while, the mother is totally silent, and she says “Are we still being recorded on that? Okay…” LOL!!! She’s mortified when she sees the father has been talking and talking at the end and they’re still being recorded and it’s totally out of her control. I can see she’s very agitated by that. She’s literally frozen throughout the interview, very very careful and calculated on what to say and mostly being silent. Then the dad’s like “you guys are going to be editing all this right?” LOL this is too good. These two are exposed Rachel’s body language and facial expressions are also very interesting- she’s constantly lying and trying to evade direct questions by slithering out of them with a giant word salad. Never taking accountability or admitting mistakes or even a shred of honesty. Always playing victim. She’s like a snake but now I can see where it comes from.. something is very sinister and evil about all these people
Omg, shes obviously a young lady and a rookie, but nevertheless everyone has to start somewhere- how about YOU get a new life- & take ur pissy projections onto others straight to hell.
These folks were physicañly and emotionally abusive of their children, and didnt believe their oldest son would possibly molest their youngest adopted daughter. They are the cause of so much resentment. Do not be fooled by their demeanors, they need to do right by the children they adopted and abused and lost custody of.
I hate this for Rachel and the Dolezal's. What Rachel has done is sad. Hoarders keep friends and family at arms distance because they are ashamed of how they live. Rachel is keeping her family away because of her shame from what she's done. To reconcile, the parents can't do interviews like this because it adds to Rachel's shame.
Interviewer was so disorganized; they needed to prepare better. Mom is strong and is holding her daughter accountable; the dad is passive and is struggling but has hope. I like the mom, very direct and to the point… she’s rightfully pissed that her family is dealing with this.
I don’t understand why the relevance of her parents adopting 4 black children was not explored in this interview - they said themselves it was a trigger point and seems like a credible explanation to how this all began, why not delve into it? Huge opportunity in the discussion missed here I feel.
Imagine the vindictiveness of these evil "parents," who throw their own daughter under the bus like this. Even if Rachel lied (she did) they had no business purposefully going to the media like this, which they must have known would destroy their daughter's life. Handle it with family, behind closed doors.
They did not go to the media. The media came to them. They love their daughter and pray for her daily. They remember her when she was their sweet little girl.
These people didn’t have to throw Rachel under the bus like this it’s a whole mess. My mom would have never done this to me no matter what the hell I did or didn’t do. I would never speak to them again, they seem to be profiting off of the situation. I know Rachel lied but damn she helped people of color. If she wants to identify as a race that most people condemn and she uses it to help those very same people I have no issue with her!
Good for Rachel...! She has gone back to her "ROOTS of ORIGIN"!!! All human beings originate from The ORIGINAL BLACK MAN AND WOMAN ⚫ THE ALMIGHTY, EVER LOVING, EVER LIVING, EVER RISING SUN 🌞 SERVES AS THE TRUTHFUL PROOF!!! Simply take it as it is... or just leave it alone. 🤷
I feel sad for both Rachel and her parents. She should still apologize for the deceit, The Howard University thing would make anyone mad especially if they were discriminating over her pregnancy, so she brought up her biology. Her working for Black, marrying black men and having black siblings and children, made a utopic race confusion and entrenchment in her soul hence her identifying as BLACK. If she apologize for the NAACP, and her parents she would be welcome by many.
Kids are like a box of chocolates… no matter what you do or don’t do as a parent… u never know what you’re gonna get. Do the best u can… and let it go.
Devoted their lives to their children. Mom especially. And now their child has become a pathological liar. Every parent's worst nightmare. Rachel has no clue as to what she's done and what she continues to do.
Her parents actually sound like sane people...wasn't expecting that. But the question is this: something, somewhere went wrong to cause Rachel to loose a screw. If it wasn't her parents who caused it, then what could have caused a straight A, top-notch student to become like this?
JabberwockyGirl Maybe growing up in Montana with nothing around her no culture no anything, then the parents adopt 4 black children, maybe Rachael felt her parents didn't love her and that's why they needed more children because she wasn't enough. Maybe she wanted her parents to love her so she decided to start being black because she didn't want her parents to love the adopted children more than her. Maybe she was insecure and then all this craziness happened.
JabberwockyGirl These people come across as dispassionate and disconnected, especially the woman. She shows very little emotion. As crazy as their daughter is, I have no problem believing some of the things she said about her parents being neglectful and abusive. I think Rachel’s issues started with how she was raised - as most people’s issues do. It’s psychology 101.
JabberwockyGirl Anyone defending these right-wing, fundie pieces of shit need to read this article STAT. Rachel grew up in a fucked up, abusive household. That’s why she’s got issues. www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2015/06/lets-talk-about-rachel-dolezals-parents.html
They just said they hadn't seen the show earlier then the mother comes out and says Rachael used the term white washed. So whose lying. Did they see it, did the abuse happen. I don't believe all is true with any of them. This is mockery and hiding truths about what happened in that house. What does the children that where raised by them have to say about their abusive behavior. They probably did abuse those kids. I wanna hear from them.
They saw the TODAY interview but hadn't seen the MSNBC interview. If you turn off your filters you can actually hear what they say, try it some time and you'll have a better more fulfilled life.
Her parents didn't do nothing wrong. They gave this interview because she depicted them as monsters and they have the right to defend themselves from false accusations even if they are her parents this doesn't mean they have to accept everything.
I find it interesting that the father kept saying what other people said about them. He never once said that "I never abused my children". By no means am I supporting that crazy lady! I'm just saying if they used corporal punishment then they should own it. So what?!? Most parents from their generation and before did! I was spanked. And I never held it against my parents. Never wanted to change my race!
