Reacting to Comments from the Most Toxic Mythic+ Pug Video Ever... 

Well, it is normal.

Yup. people mistake the word "regular" for "normal." Its "regular" behavior because of how many bad actors congregate in this conversation. That doesn't normalize it.

@@heythereguysitsMetro Well I have all my buttons keybinded and all my portals and crap - still gotta agree.

@@Seph.ackerman but do you also have KSM and KSH? Otherwise I am not sure if you have the authority for common grounds here.

@@ThomasBachler01 got those right after my method trial.

Ya, that one is ultra embarrassing tbh. That dude tried to make a point then totally invalidated that point each and every subsequent comment.

lol, he just kept repeating it! Like, I get it, sweetheart, you need a shower, but by all means, keep coming at me with your nonsensical ad hominem attacks. People like that quickly out themselves in their own responses because they lack any personal discipline to understand the difference between a valid argument and an attack.

wanna know a fun fact ? i dont even play wow ;)

@@TeslaTrips that does not surprise me at all.

@@TeslaTrips yet you still talk as if it is the only thing in your life. this should make you consider on how you appear as a person in the internet, one way or another, really really sad. actually you just made yourself look even worse, you watch a video of a game you dont even play to be toxic specially about the rating in the game (that you still dont play).. like... i wonder where in your life went something that horribly wrong to be like this.

haha glad you caught that!

Same xD and that last guy, was he really boasting about keybinding stuff? Like... wow.... bet he'd be fun hanging out with at a bar... "so, baby.... wanna hear something REAL crazy? Last night, I made my w key into a mouseclick!!! So now you obv have to sleep with me!!!!" veeeery impressive xD

haha sorry you got attacked, but you handled it masterfully so thanks for that! These guys really are headcases. The bat cave comment is funny too like wtf is he saying with that

@@heythereguysitsMetro , it's all good. It's fascinating how low someone will go when they lose the moral argument. I did learn that apparently I am one of the best players on my realm because I have keybinds, ports and muscle memory... go me!

@@Nienora hahaha

Funny, but true!

Its WILD right!? Like he typed that all out and hit enter thinking this was going to go well... Scary.

Ya no shot. You can always tell the ones that are serious because its just word vomit. Basically a string of thoughts comes to the guys head and he pukes it on to his keyboard and hits enter. A troll would have thought a bit more to make it perfect.

ya, I always forget about those.

@@theroyalcam glad you agree!

@@SoleaGalilei that's exactly it.

Ya that is an absolute must record situation there. Would love to expose that type of thing.

Glad to hear this was also educational.

Ya like how do you type that out, literally, and feel confident with that statement. But even worse is saying it at all. He really believes that's what's happening here? By "they ran the math" does he mean the math on the death counter they are ballooning?

@@heythereguysitsMetro Having one player in your pug that isn't getting any value for completing it (maybe just for their weekly if anything) can cause so many problems for the whole group its insane and kind of sad. This problem gets multiplied when you have more than one queued together, they are mostly likely in discord and shit talking the whole group throughout the dungeon. Now not everyone in lfg is a sociopath however i agree with you that avoiding them all together is much better, especially if you are soloqueing lfg where you need every bit of rng in your favor.

@@becomeanhero9875 Glad to hear you agree!

hahhaa love it

Haha love that continuation of the analogy! Then after they are tripping him they are talking to the media in their post game scrum and they trying to justify it by saying he isn't good enough to be on the team with them lol... Sounds like something you'd hear kids say in little league!

Ya, the internet in general is just filled with liars and cowards. Its really weird, but I guess it makes sense because being those things in the real world is hugely detrimental to your success, so the only place they can actually thrive is an online video game that fails to punish either thing.

@@saetchs yup. Not everyone can even imagine being this skilled.

Thanks a lot! Sorry to hear about your key there, but hopefully that's one to remind you to record them all moving forward!

Im pretty sure that’s against tos if that actually happens and that DH could’ve got banned if you reported him in a ticket with proof, if you get to an actual human in the ticket nowadays

Haha the regulars I'll always respect man. Any time it seems heated, know its trumped by you being a returning viewer and commenter. I value that communication and reciprocation of respect more than any single comment. There are a lot of people who do NOT respect me or just influencers making videos in general. Really probably just any other human in general. That's what you are seeing in this video haha

@@eaalders628 there is a dude who just now posted like 6 paragraphs trying to normalize everything. It's utterly insane. He says staying dead on the last boss is just as toxic as anything else etc. People really are just not right in the head.

Thanks a lot for saying that, and I agree with your summary of the problems. But ya, I have pretty much exclusively pugged since MoP CMs, so its been pretty wild over the years. I don't know how many people have that same level of exposure, but I can't imagine its a lot!

@@Oliyox geez ya, take a break. This type of stuff is like a virus. Spreads and infects everyone around until they too partake. If you get too deep in it, it can cause some huge issues for you, not just in game.

@@heythereguysitsMetro Oh yeah I quit M+ for the season after that run, somehow I do Rated PvP and don't encounter this level of toxicity there which is ironic.

Yup, you really should just do your own key when pugging as a group. You have multiple keys to choose from and you already have part of the group formed. The likelihood that you get invited as a duo is very low anyway, simply because they need to need BOTH of you.

@@dannyd806 ya not all anything is ever bad but this is just a numbers game in a stacked deck of pugging. No reason to risk it.

Cool, ultimately it is up to you! This got brought up specifically for low keys though, so I'll stick to that for now. I don't really ever see duos even sign up for the keys I'm doing, let alone get invited, so no real advice or experience on that side.

Duo is like a double edged sword in high keys, they are either communicating with each other really well or don’t say anything and you are better off with 2 solos

That same dude is still replying. He just last night said "trolling people for fun in a game is okay, it's supposed to be played for fun after all" or something like that. Like what the actual fuck are these guys saying at this point!? If you abuse other people for fun and only you find it fun, you are a scum bag. End of story.

Thanks a lot! Glad to be a force for change. I think the problem in that 12 range is simply that its too easy to be carried. That's on Blizzard and they have taken action to make the lower keys harder. Can only hope they will continue that trend.

The frustrated part is that this are people with the correct io rating for the key level and still haven’t learned a dam thing. Super frustrating !

@@leon03k ya and it's like that in every key range honestly.

Ya that stuff is just strange. Can't take it serious.

Now he just needs his keys unbinded.

@@Soldruid my pleasure glad you like it!

Glad it hit home!

They are appear to be cowards, so probably totally different. This is the real version of them. The one the world sees is the anxious outer shell they have to cobble together to avoid getting pushed out of society. Its actually kind of sad when you think about it that way. How many people use the internet to just be their worst selfs.

They won't ever be banned for this sadly. That's why I'm making the videos on it to raise awareness so the community can take action instead.

No need to be sorry, your story is super relatable. I could tell a similar tale. I think the end of it matters the most though. Eventually you grow up and look back and hate the old you. That's how I am. I don't know that this is how these guys are, and that worries me.

It could be for sure. But ya, you summarized all the social stuff very well. Thanks for doing that!

Maybe he was thinking of you! If he was indeed "thinking" at all.

@@heythereguysitsMetro would be odd if a random person who doesn't know me did that.

@@gxxkc8074 This guy is certainly the definition of odd, so ya never know!

Ya sadly too many people just can't get away from this elitism

Ya its basically peacocking but half the features are turkey feathers. Most of the stuff that gets said is just a lie, OR its an exaggeration to sound better than it is. Or its just bizarre confusion like that guy bragging about getting the portals haha

Ya those videos catch fire because of how controversial the comments get. I'm not sure how it works, but I'm happy because it basically triple dips. More eyes on the content, and more eyes on their bad behavior in the comments section, on top of all the regular eyes.

@@heythereguysitsMetro it all feeds the engagement, the more they post the better your engagement score! Here, have some more engagement!

@@typicalzergling9955 haha thanks!

In the case of that one guy, I think the answer is something very confusing.

haha thanks! The damn doggensteins!

Same .. think about coming back to WoW, keep watching wow content.. but people like these in Mythic+ makes me realize I should stick with FF14 sadly

Well its being defended because the people defending them are either their friends or also bad actors with no real respect for other human beings. This is VERY different though, from your run of the mill arguments we see in keys. People do get agitated by just about any mistake in wow, but that's easy to solve. Obviously work on the mistake and diagnose what the reaction means compared to the severity of the mistake. Some times its just people overreacting, and to that you pay no heed. But THIS is just sociopathic. Their behavior had nothing to do with this key at all. They weren't responding to any actual mistakes of problems, outside of the single fear kick being missed.

@@heythereguysitsMetro i agree 100% with everything in this statement. I guess for me i have the social anxiety of making a mistake and dragging everyone down.

@@TheGoobMeista Ya, no doubt. That's a hard thing to overcome. I have it to a degree as well, but have it really bad IRL. Its easier in game because I am able to leave the situation whenever I want safely, AND I am able to analyze the situation afterwards. I record the runs, review what happened, and know if I messed up or if the player was overreacting. After years of that feedback loop playing out, it has made me steely against the corrosion of the pug commentary.

haha ya sadly I have seen it too many times in too many places. This was firmly in my mind from my days of raid leading and guild leadership too. Every single time we invited a duo to the guild, they would just form their own clique and never integrate.

It should be actioned for sure.

Ya, I think that's a bit of an extreme example but I get your point. Anyone who victimizes others when they know there will be minor or zero repercussions is scum deep down. A wise quote from Rust Cohle: "If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of a divine reward then that person is a piece of shit." I think you can substitute "divine reward" with "the expectation of being punished" and its basically what we have here.

Everything that dude did and said is oxymoronic so why should this be any different!

I'm gonna go ahead and say something else beside delusion is impacting that fella haha

Thanks! Laughing and learning is the goal. Glad it's hitting!

@@kyrriana1772 ya sadly people really are rude anymore.

Nope, this is EU.

@@Edgarx55 ya just not worth the risk at the end of the day.

Thanks!

haha

Ya well this guy is basically just a liar so no need to take any of it serious. Anyone who says this shit clearly has no concept on what's actually happening in the game.

@@nickolasroper3237 haha

haha, love westeros! I wanna be a Fossoway!

Ya, hugely problematic behavior especially in a lower key. Super sad to see.

If you guys are wanting to push as a duo, just do your own keys. Since you have two to choose from it makes it way way easier.

You are probably getting invited anyway unless you’re classes don’t bring anything at all and you are both dps, e.g. Bloodlust is searched for a lot cause it’s strong and fun to have since drums are worse. Every group size except 4 mans is usually fine, with 4 mans being the exception because you need a solo person to list their key, be the role you need be the right key for everyone and then still accept you before they see another application they like

If he "had no words" that would have been far better haha

Absolutely not, the unprompted behavior is the thing to comment on. The comments after are just reactions to it. You are saying you DONT think the person gaslighting people and gripping them into their deaths is sociopathic? How about the commenter saying that it's okay to troll other people because games are meant to be fun? I'm really not even stretching here. That is basically the definition of sociopathy.

Haha you see that wild episode 4!?

Its basically insanity haha

That's simply because you are too worried about stuff above the game. If you upgrade the key and do less dps than the tank, why does it matter?

Ya well to be fair its pretty long and they don't enforce it haha. Its like reading the terms when you download an app on your phone. Thankssss for stoppy buy, text. It ain't happening.

@@heythereguysitsMetro I guess.. Just wish people would take their hatred for life and use that energy elsewhere.

Ya I even offered this dude a chance to come and tell his side of things. RADIO SILENCE on that. Legit not a single person responds when I bring that up. Ultra cowardice.

Well I wouldn't recommend it, but honestly no matter what you did it wont be as bad as this, I'd imagine.

@@heythereguysitsMetro 100% I only troll the trolls

I love doing stuff like this, but its rare there is enough wild stuff to react to. We used to do it with hot wowhead comment sections, but everyone has been so happy recently haha

sabindinca is killing it...hes not jsut a clown hes the entire circus on his own

Not a very big one it seems. The one I made of kop with the Shared Brain Cell guys who grim him into his death then leave was way worse. Was like a dozen people all coordinating their comments and attacks on me... because they were stupid enough to believe I was Kop lol...

@@saenct hahaha

Haha

@@nthnthms1212 I have always held firm on that. If you can't spell the words you are using, don't expect anyone to take it seriously. Especially now with how easy spell check is.

I think, they are just, children.

@@FeralKobold haha ya I feel ya. It's all people from that guy's social circle though. Just go through the guild he is the leader of and block all those guys and then a few others he plays with outside of that.

hahaha remember that!?

Ya that dude really made a fool out of himself.

I dont even remember it so thats a good thing! but tbh its probably drowned out by all the other stuff

haha...

I do get what you’re saying tho with the potential risks and have experienced them as well

Coordinating kicks only matter if all 5 players are coordinating it, OR there is only ever 2 things to kick period. So that one I recognize may be marginally helpful, but effectively no different than your average pug group key to key. But in the slim situation where 2 people can get every difficult kick, then I'm sure it does help for you to be in discord. That's just not happening enough to be considered in this conversation. And obviously not every duo is in discord or is coordinated. A fraction of a fraction here, compared to the risks which are well documented.

It's funny that Metro re-addresses this in the video, and yet there are still comments here being all "b-b-b-but duos DO have benefits!". Like...yes, we fucking get it. Just as with the previous video, he did not say that EVERY SINGLE DUO IN EXISTENCE is bad, and of course they do have certain possible benefits. His VERY FIRST initial point about how it has shown itself to be a higher risk than inviting single players though...still stands. Literally, nothing about what you said changes his point at all, because his point was about interpersonal dynamics, not about actual gameplay.

@@Frawt Right, and the fact that those interpersonal dynamics can't exist if you don't invite duos. That's the big takeaway here. Its a bit psychological though, so I think people just think about gameplay only.

@@Frawt ​​⁠lol why you mad bro? In his explanation in this video he insinuated that only bad things can come from duos, I pointed out a situation where a duo may have a benefit. Never did I say it outweighs the problems he brought up. He himself acknowledged what I said as a fraction of a fraction which is true and fair enough. This is called a conversation. Calm down.

That's awesome, glad you enjoy! I want to be a voice for change in this game's community, but as you accurately point out, there are a lot of people with serious complexes.

No they are losers IRL that why they act like this in game, because they think that because they got high score for playing 15 hours a day that makes them better than everyone else.

@@nofoxgiven6561 ya kinda wild. Some one else said it best though. He probably is nice irl because he has to be. Can only treat people online his way and get away with it.

Wow really crazy way to relate that to real world stuff. That really IS scary.

One million percent agree.

Right, they are effectively doubling down in the key by gaslighting the others. And then it can be suggested that they are even tripling down in the comments between these two videos by not stepping up and offering their side of the story. All we get is more and more toxicity.

scary place

Ya there is no shortage of it on that video either haha

Well anything at all is punishable, Blizzard reserves the right to ban players for any reason at all. But they have to actually DO it for it matter. Which they clearly didn't with these guys one way or another, and that's the problem.

Thank you.

Good work.

@@derangedhermit7981 a single person can not disprove this, so I guess you didn't understand my points. I've said everything I can at this point. Thanks for the thoughts but this is not suddenly going to change after years. Have a good one!

@@heythereguysitsMetro Like I had said I agree with some if not most of what you said (prior to 9:55) about the downsides of inviting groups. However you specifically said that there is a non 0% chance, timestamp 9:55. That isn't taking you out of context or misunderstanding you made an absolute statement and if only a single person does not do what you think everyone does than your statement is false. Its why I advise speaking in absolutes. Well I'm that person, due to autism I care more about fairness than I do friendships (though I could never lay claim to being friends to someone who acts in a manner I see as unfair) and treat the group as a whole equal to any friends. As far as changing your mind with the rest of the post, well I tried and hopefully it helps other people out there. I've watched maybe a dozen videos tonight because honestly I love helping people and thought I could adopt some of the things you do. After watching about a dozen videos or so I think I'll probably part ways. What follows is not something I expect you to change (hell you do you after all) rather its just a way to gather my thoughts about why and if I ever do create a channel some of the pitfalls I'd like to avoid, the only reason I'm sharing it here is because I don't know how often you see constructive criticism or if you value it in the first place. If not read no further. There is a lot of talking about how players should follow social norms and be pleasant but despite that there have been a couple of times it seems you engage in the same behavior just on stream instead of to their face so to speak. I don't have a problem with the pointing out mistakes otherwise how do you learn, but at times it seems rather aggressive or like insults. Maybe your not aware, maybe I'm misreading the situation, or maybe its just that because the person doesn't see it you don't see it as the same. Either way its something that rubs me the wrong way. In a similar way at times you cut players down about how getting portals isn't difficult (like in this video) than in another you talk about how lower keys are difficult and try to encourage players to push ahead and get better. I can't fault pushing players to get better but saying a +2 is hard in one video than in the next video I watch saying a +10 is easy and unless the person you are responding to is talking about titles its basically not worth talking or bragging about. That kind of thing has serious effects on players, because you diminish their achievements. The highest I've ever done is a +23 (and I won't go further as that makes me uncomfortable) and what it seems to me like you are saying is that isn't anything to be proud of. Again I hope you don't take this as me putting you down, with 30k subs I'm sure you have helped a ton of people. Its just with those things I'm not enamored with the content. I do wish you the best though and hope you likewise have a great day. Also if in my criticisms you feel like I misrepresented your intentions or behaviors, I do have a hard time correctly interpreting peoples intentions (tis the autism) than I apologies though I don't think it will change the feelings (after all feelings aren't rational.) Ugh so I went and added a bunch more again and I say this without sarcasm have a pleasant day.

Sorry I just wanted to add and I'm surprised I forgot considering the amount of time I ensured everything here was spelled correctly, but picking on peoples spelling just looks bad to me. I didn't learn to talk until I was about 7or 8 and I didn't learn to read or write until I was in the sixth grade which meant that by then I had missed nearly all of the spelling bees. The game doesn't have a autocorrect or spell checker and in a timed environment often people are going to be typing as fast as they can. Mistakes are going to happen. Maybe its because people have called me retard because of such things but it seems like you are mocking peoples intelligence because of spelling or grammatical errors when the subtext is clear.

@@derangedhermit7981 thanks you too. Just pulled up to the hotel at the shore on vacation so about to take a week to enjoy it! Have a good one and thanks for the passion!

Great point about everything, but especially the "both can be true" thing. Didn't even think of that part of it. Maybe the guy is nice to his friends, but if he treats strangers who can't get to him this poorly, he is a bad person overall.

@@heythereguysitsMetro most people are nice to their friends ( kinda hard to make friends if you're not nice to them :P )

Thanks, glad to see you!

Eh well tbh this is all still very uncommon. But ya, if you can find a guild with people NOT like these guys (which is not easy sadly) then it should make it all go away.

@@heythereguysitsMetro The times i have been very active doing mythic plus about 90% of my key runs was actually fun, sure some had been disastrous because of lots of mistakes but most people just laugh it off and try better but then again i dont do the top end keys, i play to like 2500 mythic plus score and get that achievement and happy with that usually playing as tank or healer. The way i have been avoiding these players is by choosing to invite people that are actually around the rating to do that key i am posting or sometimes a little bit lower, majority of the time i never invited anyone that has way higher rating than me and if they write something like "3300 exp" in the note i dont invite that either because i just know theres going to be a skill gap and skill gaps can be irritating to some people so thats just a disaster waiting to happend if inviting. sorry for bad english

Ya, he should have just said nothing about his qualifications like everyone else. When you try to act right and use something that proves you aren't you just waste your time.

Can’t even begin to describe how embarrassing that guy is, what a mongoloid

Its not something I can be wrong about. I'm just giving my opinion on something, and frankly, I would recommend everyone listen to it because all I hear is the same nonsense defense of it over and over again. Just because you aren't assholes and play in a duo does not in an way invalidate my logic here. Crazy that you guys still can't understand this. Is this a self defense mechanism? WTF is that comment about guns?

Ya sadly Blizzard has to actually do it haha

@@heythereguysitsMetro yeah :/

Well when you put it that way its really even stranger. They are basically saying they are having FUN abusing another person!? That's not something that should EVER be said out loud lol.

Ya I think they call it chronically online. Bad habits just get blown up to 11 when you drink that shit this behavior in day in and day out.

To be fair, the only thing that does matter in that key is that one character and its performance. He is a nice guy, and it is an alt he is unfamiliar with, but that doesn't excuse any mistakes. He does own those mistakes, and I do not believe any of the things he did poorly here had any real impact on the key though. So that's sort of the case closed on that front. But ya, those guys saying the dude is a good person then attacking others is utterly hilarious.

I wouldn’t give it my all when I’m getting trolled like that anyway. That this shaman guy is not commenting it on his first death or anyone else who died to it is kinda shocking to me. Would probably even leave and get that key bearer a free boost on my main instead or smth

Right, great point about invalidating casters. Those blanket statements actually make them look like they have no idea how casters work at all.

Oh ya, absolutely no worries. Just don't like the comments some made where they say "not every duo is bad" like if I haven't considered that lol... Obviously I know this, and still prescribe that treatment to the ailment regardless.

@@heythereguysitsMetro Aye man I get that. As I said some people take things too literally or lack for context sometimes. Looking forward to more of these toxicity based videos mixed in with the good old failed key runs.

@@CaledonianCraft Thanks, if there is ever a good opportunity, I do love doing these!

So poorly defending too.