Reacting to How Hunger Games Characters Are Supposed to Look (According to AI) 

Was there outrage over that?

Was anyone actually upset, or are you just trying to stir the pot.

@@ProfessorPrelyeah back when the cast was revealed for the first movie

there were some incels on twitter talking shit about it but it wasn't a majority thing.@@timothycsauer1

​@@sol15_ these people were idiots who haven't read the books the right way

Was she involved in the casting? I only knew she took part in the scriptwriting for the first movie.

@@carsfan1995 She did partake in the casting

There’s so much more that goes into casting though. And in an interview Suzanne actually said that no one looks like the image she has of Katniss, but Jennifer was close enough. We don’t know what close enough means, but the way Katniss is described in the book is how she looks, and the books are the source material not the movies. The movies were adaptations and they made a lot of changes and took out important plots and characters. And when casting so much goes into it like the actor’s ability, their schedule, and their star quality (to make money). Movie Katniss doesn’t look anything like book Katniss.

I always imagined Rue and Thresh after the actor and actress from the films. I had no problems imagining Rue as this sweet tiny black-skinned girl that reminded Katniss of Primrose.

@@carsfan1995she worked with the casting department basically describing what they should look like and then the casters found actors that would fit

@boywonder2120actually katniss lost love for Gale when Gale first created the bombs as she hated how the bombs manipulated the compassion of people

@boywonder2120Gale didn’t blow up Prim ffs. Coin did. If you read the book, you’d know that Prim at 14 was too young to be on the scene in the first place. That Coin had to have okayed it… and since Coin didn’t like Katniss (she wanted Peeta at the get go) felt that Katniss had defied, embarrassed, disrespected her, in addition to the fact that Katniss did not openly support Coin as the next president of Panem…this was payback. Gale and Beatee created the bombs… Coin was the one who authorized the use of them. Coin knew what losing Prim would do to Katniss. (Just strengthens my suspicion that Coin is Snows daughter by Lucy Gray.)

That is a very interesting take, a connection I didn't make. I like it! Kinda makes me want to reread Ballad with that perspective.

@@mik1of3 Coin being Snow's daughter is a interesting take. We know Gale didn't actually kill Prim. Katniss was calling out Gale's morality throughout the war with the weapons he was creating for Coin. The point is he gave Coin what she needed even though Katniss was warning him about her

Yes they both look alike

Yeah and it became even more unsettling now knowing that he saw himself in Peeta and felt jeolous because Peeta was a type of man for Katniss whom he could never be for Lucy Gray.

@@yarenkuyumcu9789 oh he definitely saw himself in peeta. The looks and he didn't like to see katniss and peeta in love so he used peeta to get at katniss. This man is jealous 64 years later

Katniss and Peta actually mirror Snow and Lucy in many different ways.

Kinda creepy.... Peeta's my fav character..... Young Snow, on the other hand..... meh...

yea, my default was always more brown latino people like my family. i never even thought about it until other people started a discussion on the castings. like even katniss and gale i imagined as indigenous latinos like my family.

But like also the thing about cinna does green eyes not imply white

@@jimierrante-humes1119No? People of color can have green eyes. Green eyes is not exclusive to white people.

@@jimierrante-humes1119 not necessarily because african americans can be born with green eyes.

@@predisionsin extremely rare cases where they have a genetic mutation. It’s not common at all and anyone assuming he was white because of the green eyes should not be faulted for that

My first thought was Collins envisioned Prince for Cinna, but Lenny was just as good, if not better for the role.

Yeah, same. He's my absolute favorite character, and I can't see him as anyone other than Lenny Kravitz

Agreed💯 I appreciate her accuracy. Us creoles in Louisiana have the same ancestry as the melungeons.

Yesss the melungeon

I’m a small % Melungeon, taken a DNA test shows I have a sub Saharan African, and native DNA. Almost all people who are native to Appalachia (born within the mountains) have similar traits. Went to school with a girl that was Cherokee and Italian (Italians made up a large percentage of immigrants that came here to work in the mines)she and her whole family had dark hair and olive skin. I tell people that Appalachians aren’t white, might not be a “Poc” but can’t say we are not genetically diverse from standard white European. It is nice to see an author do some research into regional people and mixed heritage and cultures

i just looked up what the average melungeon person looks like & the first pic that popped up looked just like AI gale

@@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606 some appalachians are definitely white, but the melungeon ones are poc. I think it’s cool you’re part.

Yes, but not everyone in 12 was malnourished. If I remember right, from the book, Katniss was well nourished as a kid because her dad went hunting. When he died, it took her a while to get the courage to go into the forest by herself and try hunting and trapping, but she ate well after that. Peeta, too, was eating alright. Merchants had enough money to eat. Not a fortune, but enough. Gale, too, hunted, so he had enough to eat. While the general population wasn't eating properly, the main characters were alright.

Rue is literally described in the book to look like 10 at most I remember listening to it and thinking it was interesting cause she reminds katniss so much of prim which made me assume that prim looked younger too

@@blainehale2144 It's possible, but I don't think she looked younger because of malnutrition specifically. Again, Katniss started hunting a few months after her father's death, which were the only times her family didn't have access to much food. Prim got a goat, too, and Katniss bought tesserae, which helped. Katniss often mentionned how her sister was somewhat « pure », gentle, and it's in that maneurism that she finds her sister in Rue, not really physically.

Yeah I used to be severely underweight because of my eating disorder, at 18 everyone thought I was still a child so I agree it makes sense

One thing I'd consider is how Gale is described as looking like a grown man when they first met at 14 and Katniss has watched previous Hunger Games (with careers) and later been to the capital itself I certainly think they rarely felt full growing up but it seems with their hunting skill, the Everdeen's and Hawthorne's managed enough to not be severely stunted like that

It's crazy how they look alike

I believe Snow saw himself through Katniss Peeta how they not only look similar but their actions too.

​@@icy6c159 not really lmao Lucy isn't like Katniss

​@@gdesiree29 they don't. Snow looked more snake like and had a more chiseled face. Peeta was more himbo/stocky type of guy he's always described as "strong and stocky"

Teachers can be helpful sometimes, especially when they don’t mean to be 😂

when i was a kid i thought i would hate THG too! it ended up becoming one of my favorite books of all time, & only b/c i happened to pick it up when i was bored w/ nothing else to read!

I want that detention. I wanna read hunger games

Same, the translation to brazillian portuguese described her as “morena”, which ranges incredibly between olive skin to lightskin black, and my brain instantly went lightskin black for Katniss

Her race was never described only the color of her skin and she had dark gray(?) eyes and dark hair. So she could very well be light skin black, Arabic, Native American, etc. All of those headcannons fit her description.

I always think of Native Americans when I think of olive skin.

Even white ppl for example in Italy are sometimes described to have olive skin, this is a pretty broad description. But I think her being Native American fits the narrative the best. Like merchants have light eyes and hair = they are white and privileged, and the poorest would be Natives. Given that Panem is based on the current USA it fits really well.

I always imagine mediterraneans, Whites from Souther Europe. Naturally tanned.

I think AI made some of the uglier charecters a but to pretty. I liked AI Gale.

Great point 👍

Even jennifer and Josh

For labor law reasons Hollywood has been casting 20+ somethings as teenagers for years. I saw the movies before reading the books and the casting choices were spot on!

even though it would make the gravity of their situations to a more chilling, i do not want children playing these people. fans and the media sexualized those kids from both it and stranger things, on top of just being brutal to them over lame things. it's the just better in irl to cast adults for these roles. not even mentioning the labor laws and how easily they could be abused or manipulated.

Yes I thought Lucy gray was 18 because she does not look 16 at all to me lol

Yeah I think that’s deliberate, I feel like Snow saw himself in Peeta and hated how Peeta was in love with Katniss and was willing to do anything for her, when he saw that Katniss didn’t feel the same way back, so I think he took extra sick satisfaction in hijacking Peeta to make him hate Katniss and see her as a mutt

Perhaps but he doesn't have gray eyes in this AI version, they look dark brown.

What Ai did Morgan Ross used

​@clover2739 it's not deliberate. It's meant to be similar but not exact mirrors and its stupid how dumb bitches like you that try to feel smart think so

@@glory4645 Peeta and Snow never had grey eyes. They’re both described with blue eyes.

Tell her she did an amazing job!

“Unfortunately”? Bruh we all do that

I read 100 Years of Solitude and imagined them as a family of white-skinned Spanish descent. Except Rebeca.

I def pictured him black too

​@@mark_thurwangerjust because a lot of people do it doesn't make it a good thing, so "unfortunately" is appropriate.

I also pictured him black but i dont remember it being stated, its been a while since i read it though.

How tall is he 5’6 ? She’s 5’7 in some shots she looks like she has 2 inches on him

i LOVED him being shorter. katniss was the hero of the two. she won the hunger games

@@cristianasaras6898 I believe he's 5'5 actually, so yeah ur right, just abt 2 inches on him! They probably had some lifts in their boots respectively, bc she always looked 2-3 inches taller

Fr bro

Idk if its right but it looks like art breeder images.

I was about to ask the same thing. I'd like to see percy jackson characters by ai

Nah fr what ai did he use?

pretty sure its midjourney

I want to see that too!

And it makes sense with gold eye liner

@@shannonleeann5643 Right????

I always saw Prince when I envisioned Cinna…thought Collins did too.

@@mik1of3 Make so much sense

Totally agree

His name is Alan Ritchson.

I could easily see this

This! I always thought Hailee Steinfeld would have been the better pick for Katniss for that same reason.

I think Gale is 18, and Katniss book wise always described gale is looking older than his age and seeming way more grown up. I think both Katniss and Peeta look younger

yeah I don't get wtf his problem is

Oh I need to read that book !

As someone of colour myself, I wouldn’t call it white privilege because I do the exact same thing. The way I personally see it is if the author is white or if the book takes place in America or a European country where the majority of people are white, that’s what I’ll default too. That’s not to say I’m against diversifying the film if their race isn’t mentioned either, so long as they stick to what is actually described, like hair colour or what not. But I do understand why it would be the default. It would be the same if I was reading a book that took place in let’s say Japan for example. Unless told otherwise, I would just assume the character would look Japanese. But that’s just my reasoning and like I said, I’m from North Africa so I look more Arab, so it’s not me just defending my race or what ever either, just in case some reading my comment tries to paint me as a racist.

I don’t get how that’s a white privilege. I’ve read lots of books where the character is implied to be black or asian, etc without it being explicitly mentioned. Also sometimes you have to make assumptions if you’re given no information whatsoever. If you’re character is living in England and behaves like a typical British person, chances are they’re going to be right

Pleeease look up what this book is called. Would be so interesting for my study. I study theatre film and media science :)

I think any race is fine if it wasn't specified but if it was I prefer it to remain accurate

@@danielloader3351 I think it’s also to the benefit of open casting calls. White women will always have opportunities for roles. Black girls are often relegated to being the best friend to the white lead. If they are the lead it’s usually based on Civil Rights era, Civil War, or during slavery. If they are in a modern day setting, it’s New York as the default or in the city. How many black lead movies are there where it’s also a fantasy setting or has fantastical elements? Black Panther, Little Mermaid, See You Yesterday. Black Panther was part of the MCU and thus was an affordable risk at the time. Little Mermaid was a remake of a popular IP and Halle Bailey was chosen because the director thought she was talented. See You Yesterday is only original film that I know of… and it’s more of a time travel movie where the lead has to go back in time to save her brother from being shot by a cop… We live in an era of IP-based projects. You’re lucky to get original movies in animation. If we want fantasy or sci-fi movie or show starring a POC (without “race swapping”) it either has to be a new character, a spin-off movie or show set in the same world to feature that character, or you have to dig through some sort of IP you have the rights to that also has a POC lead. Otherwise that’s what open auditions are for in non-historical or fantastical/sci-fi based settings. Support original projects starring non-white, straight characters and you won’t have the bologna “race swapping”. It’s not that hard.

Lenny Kravitz was perfect casting for Cinna, I don’t understand anyone’s shock on that. I think when authors don’t give skin color to characters, it helps the reader connect more with the story and book, as people tend to pull from what they know, their environment and their own experiences to fill in the gaps. This also helps when casting for movies or shows, as a more diverse cast can help attract a bigger audience. Even when they are changed; no reason to be upset, they are fictional characters - not historically accurate reenactment.

What's hilarious is they were also really mad about Rue being black even though the book DESCRIBED HER AS BLACK. The visceral racism that people spewed when Rue was cast was just awful.

Companies are lazy and racist. They prefer to cast black characters in white roles in old stories for "diversity" instead of writing new stories with black leads. If you want diversity, start writing new characters that aren't white and aren't straight. SIMPLE. Companies need to stop blackwashing white stories. And vice versa, stop whitewashing black stories. Kravitz was perfect for Cinna: because it doesn't matter for side characters. It's just annoying when the main characters aren't accurate to the book. I was pissed when Katniss wasn't olive skinned. But I thought prim was perfect because she looked like she was from the merchant class (which her mother was from). Katniss and her father were olive skinned, and her mother and Prim were fair. Just like I was so pissed when harry potter didn't have green eyes in the movies.

Ooh honestly an Asian Cinna would have been amazing. I imagined him with light skin so I guess my mind defaulted him to white. Though now that I’m thinking about it, there aren’t any Asian actors in the movies. Cinna’s race is unspecified and I like Lenny’s portrayal, but an Asian actor him would have been great representation

Look up the “Melungeon people” of Appalachia. It’s likely they are the reference for the people living in the Seam, and growing up in West Virginia I will say that it would surprise you how dark skinned a lot of people here are, even coal miners. Diverse family backgrounds are very common, I have a great great grandma whose Cherokee and a many greats grandma who was likely either Indian (India) or Persian given her name and another female relative who is most likely of African descent. Certainly isn’t unique just to my family to have such a racially diverse family heritage.

Jennifer Lawrence was a odd pick, fine overall for the movie but she’s a bit too “full figured and busty” to play a starving teenage girl, an actress a bit more lean and slender would’ve been a better choice imo.

Prim Reaper is Gale, right?

THE PRIM REAPER.....oh that is too perfect i cant stop LAUGHING😭

Yeah, I remember watching it and wondering why they didn't cast Lawrence as Clove and the Clove actress as Katniss.

Me 🙋🏼‍♀️

I think she was implying that the socioeconomic groups were so different despite living near each other. Also the racial aspect (most people headcannon the seam people as Native Americans)

Umm.. that’s not how that works 😂

@@OoOMonkeyCoFreakOoO that's not how what specifically works?

@@andpeg could be, maybe. Yeah. If it just has historical reasons

Well idk about that. I always imagined him as darker skinned myself.

The only sad thing is that you think there’s a problem with assuming a character is the same skin color as you if no description is outright given. Typical non-Westerner comment