And now that Disney has claimed the video, although they had not helped whatsoever and only claimed it after it hit trending, at least we can confirm it is part of canon.
The Way of The Sith: The Apprentice kills the Master or the dies. The Master gets challenged by the Apprentice, it keeps the Master sharp and strong. This movie shows Vader trying to find a way to defeat Palpatine and a way to bury Anakin. Unfortunately, it is Anakin's loss, suffering, and rage that gives Vader his connection to the Dark Side. I view the opening sequence as Annakin/Vader's vision of trying to defeat Palpatine. Remember during Luke's training Yoda told him about visions that they are glimpses into the past, present, and possible futures. Notice in the vision Vader uses the dead Emperor's Guard body as a shield against Palpatine's Force lightening. Then notice in the live sequence, as soon as Vader enters the room, Palpatine immediately dismisses the guards (as he does in every scene in the movies), you can almost see Vader's body language saying "there goes that plan." Annakin/Vader can't come up with a way to kill Palpatine, Palpatine has Vader so psyched out and Vader doesn't know the full extent of Palpatine's powers and abilities. Remember we are talking about a guy who manipulated and mind screwed Anakin, along with the ENTIRE Jedi Order and Republic. I am looking forward to the next film.
@@SebasTian58323 probably another one planted by Sidious to reinforce his dominance over Vader. Then, knowing he just had the dream, gives him every opportunity to act on it. When Vader fails (as Sidious forsees) it's just another layer of mind control added to keep Vader docile.
This is known as the rule of 2, the rule states that there can only be 2 sith alive at a time. The master and the apprentice and then when the apprentice eventually grows more powerful that his master he he kills him and takes on an apprentice of his own thereby causing the Sith to grow more powerful with each generation. The concept started when Darth Revan spoke in his holocron that the reason why the older order of the Sith were weak was because one sith lord would take several apprentices at once and they would just gang up on him making the Sith weaker in time. Then when Darth Bane heard this he killed everyone and started the era of the rule of 2. Ironically most of the Sith of this era we know about almost always broke the rule.
Vtr Gott Exactly, so read all of my comment. “Ironically most of the era we know almost always broke this rule” Palps is a good example so is Darth Plaguis’s Master who hated his apprentice and tried replacing him several times.
I have been saying it for a long time,Disney spends to much on their movies. Star Wars is at it's best at about 60 million. Story development and script development is where they need to focus their attention! MTFBWY.
...I liked Qui-Gon. I loved that he was refusing to accept the dogma of the Jedi Order, that he was listening to The Force... Thank you guys. Thank you for your discussion.
Qui gon was a true Jedi. He followed the will of the force and did its deed. All the rest, except anakin and obi wan, followed the senate instead of the force.
I don’t think the Emperor is wanting Vader to kill him, but to kill Anakin. The chains that are binding Vader is him clinging to Anakin, so the only way Vader can kill Anakin is to give in to his hatred, because the Emperor even said to give in to the dark side fully, or forever live in the shadow of Anakin Skywalker. The Emperor knows at this moment Vader isn’t fully turned, because he is still clinging on to his memories of being Anakin
Sidious would rather Vader at least try to kill him. I'm sure he was constantly looking for a replacement. You know Maul would have eventually tried if he grew more powerful. Tyrannus would've developed an apprentice to challenge Sidious eventually too.
That is a very good point. That makes more sense then the emperor wanting vader to try and overthrow him. I mean yes, The rule of Two, the emperor expects it to happen at some point, but what he meant in this video matches your comment perfectly. Way to think outside of the box sir.
I never understoon the Hayden hate, I saw it more just bandwagoning The guy did an excellent job showing what kind of emotion anakin was having throughout revenge of the sith. As far as what's so bad about him, I don't think I would blame him for his cheesy lines, he did not write them, he was told to say them
@@ChiisaiRamen in an Interview George Lucas even said, he played the character PERFECTLY and exactly how he wanted him to. It‘s George‘s character so he can portray that character how he wants to, idk why people bitch about that so much lmao
Come on guys, Hayden Christiansen had the chops for the complexity (look at My Life as a House) of Anakin SkyWalker, the problem was that George Lucas, while having a brilliant idea for the Galaxy FR Far Away, but he wasn't that good at dialogue. The bones of the universe was provided for us, and while the dialogue did come out heavy handed, periodically there was nuance to show us how our favorite...anti-hero? He was my hero the moment I saw him choking that Rebel... But for so many he was our favorite and most respected Arch Villain. Christiansen did have the chops for it, but Lucas was impatient and had too much story to squeeze into 3 movies. Hence the heavy handed ness.... In my opinion. May the Force Be With You, Always Darth Reh
Deborah LePage I totally agree, I don’t understand the hate for Hayden. In my opinion he played the role he was given perfectly. Lucas should’ve wrote Anakin’s character different
Don’t bother; these idiots will always think that bad acting from a actor in a film or two means said actor is a terrible one. Their level of thinking is stupid. And I just see this as a way to bitch more about the prequels Guess that means all actors who performed below average in at least one film is a bad actor then.
This fan-film was absolutely fantastic, loved it....great reaction guys! The relationship between Vader and the Emperor....WHOA! Reminded me of The Lords of the Sith novel. OMG, that was a good as novel!
How did Lucas Piss on Christopher Lee they gave him enough scenes he was in all of the 3 Films he did a great job And maul was brought back in Rebels and the Comics
The clones in red are another legion, they’re like military police, they’re led by Commander Fox. The 501st are the clones in blue. They’re the legion that served Anakin in the clone wars then turned into Vader’s Fist, when the empire formed. They were the best legion in the army. Almost every time you see Vader in combat, the stormtroopers around him we’re the 501st. By the way, the amethyst blade was referring to Mace Wendu’s purple lightsaber hence he was the only one who used one at the time. He was also the best duelist in the Jedi order during the clone wars.
Another fun and interesting reaction from you guys, as always well-balanced between total geekiness and more serious, critical commentary. Vader is a splendid piece of work.
To explain on the conversation you guys were having around 16:16 ish, the goal of a Sith Master is to instruct his student to be better than he/she is. In this way, the only way a Sith Apprentice can become a master is if he not only learns that of what his master has learned, but surpasses that knowledge and uses it to destroy him. Then the cycle repeats. This path for the sith was started by Darth Bane who saw that the flaw the sith had as an empire was the constent infighting and struggle for political power. The sith were so focused on keeping the power they had, very few sith lords bothered to try and teach their apprentices to be better than them and as such, their apprentices are used as pawns in their quest for greater power. This is why Darth Bane chose to exterminate the sith. To bring them down so that only two would remain. A master and an apprentice. And this has been their way sense then. It was his vision that one day, by keeping this method, the Sith would be able to build and maintain a growing understanding of the dark side and then retake the galaxy for their own once reaching a point the Jedi could not contend with. Granted, he didn't even consider that it would all come to pass through political power plays and a plot against the jedi through a mass clone army that could be commanded at will to turn against the Jedi. But hay, Palp made it happen. And his former master. But that is what Palp is trying to teach Vader here. That the only way he will ever be free of Palp is if he commits to the Dark Side and seeks to overthrow his master. By doing so, He will be free of the chains that bind him. A nice nod to the Sith Code if you ask me.
Great reaction and discussion. Wonderful that you did not miss what makes this fan-film Episode so great, unlike a few reactions I've seen. You've got it absolutely right. Star Wars Theory (the creator of this film) understands all of the lore, because besides films and tv animations, he has also studied many canon comics and knows what is a natural and factual story that "would unfold for real" in the Star Wars history we have not yet seen. There is a struggle with becoming Vader in the comics as well. This is technically not allowed to be canon legally according to LucasFilm, but it is indeed completely accurate to cannonized boundaries. Good job guys!
The master-apprentice relationship is based on Darth Bane's 'Rule of two' where there is a master who wields the power, and an apprentice who craves it. This way the apprentice would only become the master if the apprentice was stronger than the master, meaning the Sith would always gradually become stronger and stronger to the point of nigh-omnipotence. This also eliminated the infighting Sith were plagued with back in the Old Republic era. All in all, there are less Sith in the galaxy, but those that exist are always sure to be very troubling to have as an enemy.
Reverse Fuhrer Did he? Yet he never has more than one apprentice at a time. In a Clone Wars episode, he even mocks Maul for wanting to be his apprentice again; telling the Zabrak that he has been replaced (Dooku replaced Maul).
@@akaneriyun4774 he wanted the most powerful slave, dooku was a means to an end ,since he was good at dealing with jedi. He did want maul initially but after maul was sliced in half by obi wan and thought he was dead, Sidious had to find a new apprentice, and had his sights on Anakin, which is why maul was made a mockery of by sidious, he even said to him:"you have been replaced"
Palpatine didn't have a death wish he had a power wish. The fact that the master knows at any moment his apprentice may try to kill him he has to keep gaining more and more power. The apprentice is forced keep proving his loyalty and hide his intentions while he gains enough power to beat the master. If he makes his move at the wrong time with a master who can read his thoughts he'll end up decapitated. Palpatine mastered this. He was so good at hiding his intentions a room full of Jedi masters couldn't figure him out. He only made the decision to let Anakin in on his plot once he had acquired the power to defeat the Jedi, seized their complete control govt, sowed dissension in their ranks and destroyed standing in the community. It is how the Sith order survived the Jedi attempts to wipe them out. Weak and incapable Sith not fully committed to the dark side are purged from the ranks in the most brutal way possible.
The Emperor was just following the rule of two. He was in Vader's position under Plagueis and he can feel Vader's contempt for him. The sith masters always hold faith in their own power. They know their apprentices will want power, but they always believe they will stop them before it happens. Overconfidence and egotism. Also the only movie that holds up with this for me aside from the OT is Rogue One and the TOR Cinematics. I've never played KOTOR or watched Solo (gonna watch it on Netflix now that it;s on) so I can't comment on those story lines.
For myself in this upward of fifty views And loving it every time, for myself I accept this as canon. A chapter between the stories The holding of the blaster charges, there were lots of fights for Vader between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope, so those blaster charges could have been from any number of fights. I accept that he did this and accept this as Canon, to be unspoken foreshadowing of his grandson. However, the Chosen One, Anakin SkyWalker Lord Darth Vader remains so much more powerful than Emo-Ren. Thank you all so much for sharing your Star Wars love with me. Darth Reh
great Vader Shards of the Past Fan Film Reaction and Review video. This fan film/series is hands down better than any of the sequels and fits in the canon timeline.
The rule of two started with bane so the sith order stays small and powerfull, the master has to die so the aprtentice gets stronger that wat each new master get's stronger and stronger.
But this spectacular episode pays some homage to The Phantom Menace, so acknowledges what Lucas set up. I think the Sith feed off the hatred and anger of their opponents. The Emperor goads Vader into deeper realms of his shadow anger and feeds off it. The Emperor doesn't consider that Vader can defeat him. It doesn't enter his mindset.
Great Reaction video Fantastic Fan Film for Sure the Battle Between Darth Maul and Obi wan and the Battle with Vader in Empire Strikes Back was Fierce and Vaders attack s in Rogue Kilos Cross Bars Attacks and this was also incredibly Fierce Awesome
Everything you said I fully agree with, except I think Revenge Of The Sith, Empire, and the end of ROTJ/Rogue One still are legendary films/moments. He did a stellar job though, no pun intended
I like how Palpatine degraded Vader by telling Vader, Anakin, Skywalker was far more powerful in the hopes that Vader would embrace the Dark Side more to exceed the Emperors expectations but not to the level that Vader is more powerful thus enabling Palpatine to manipulate him even easier. As we know the Emperor had Vaders armor made so he's constantly in pain. What Vader should have said to the Emperor when asked why he's in "distress?"; "No Master I'm angry because this armor is painful and restrictive, in short It Sucks!" ;-)
The problem with the prequels isn't the story but the execution. The fundamental story line holds up and gives a good view of how we ended up with the empire in the OT.
Guy in the Middle: the Sith master achieves a victory in the force knowing that his "lineage" of Sith "descendants" has gotten stronger. It's like them forcing evolution so the dark side grows and becomes stronger over time. They're in it for Galactic dominance over the course of centuries or millenia, which means thinking about what's best for the dark side, even beyond their own lifespan (kind of selfless in a way, the Sith are bad guys, but not necessarily selfish)
The Rule of Two was a Sith philosophy mandating that only two Sith Lords could exist at any given time: a master to embody the power of the dark side of the Force, and an apprentice to crave it. The philosophy of two governed the Lords of the Sith for a millennium, beginning with its founder Darth Bane.
The rule on two said that apprentice kills the master,that was brought on by another sith lord, but before that there were a lot of sith roaming around keeping the sith order in the galaxy.
Wolfe is not in the 501st. The boys in blue were Rex's men. But Rex didn't execute order 66 so I don't know who the captain would be now. Unless Rex secretly pretends he did.
Well Sergeant Appo was promoted to Commander but he was killed by a Jedi a couple months after the creation of The Empire. It's possible he's still a live in this fan film but idk.
I’m with the guy in the middle. I’ve been wanting a Star Wars film like this since ROTJ. The best part of this film for me was that it answered or explored a question I had after Revenge of the Sith. Why would Anakin stand by Sidious after Padme died which was his entire motivation for turning? I loved how it explored their relationship. It also did in 12 minutes what Rian Johnson couldn’t do in 2 1/2 hours. It showed TRAINING! We got to see Sidious teaching Vader the ways of the Sith... which was a twisted and sick concept, but that’s the Sith! Disney is stupid if they don’t hire Star Wars theory to make this content for them. Instead of taking the RU-vid ad revenue from it, they should have him make official films.
Its mace windu sinces you guys were curious he has a purple saber and they thought they killed him so they need to finish what they started and he knows who vader is so it all adds up its mace windu
Update: Disney has copyright claimed Vader Episode 1. SW Theory had gotten permission from Lucas films to make this as long as he used his own money and did not do a kickstarter or gofundme to rais money for it. and he could not monetize it. SW Theory agreed and kept to that agreement. Disney, however, did a MANUAL copyright claim on the video (this was not a RU-vid algorithm doing this it was DISNEY). Disney has since monetized the video with adds and is earning money for work they did not do and that they stole from SW Theory.
He says that Anakin was more powerful because Anakin’s midi chlorian count was so high that his potential was was so great. But because Vader is confined to the suit with so many cybernetics and by enough organic material to channel the Force. Vader is forever denied the potential that was once his, by birth. Stolen by his both the temptations of the Sith and the power of the Jedi.
The reason the apprentice has to kill the master is to ensure that the apprentice is more powerful then the master. So the sith are always gaining power and not stagnating
Amythist blade = purple lightsaber. It’s Mace. And episode two will be coming when SWT (the guy behind it all) can get enough money to pay for it all, since he’s paying for everything out of his own pocket since Lucasfilm said he can’t monetise these.
This is classic Star Wars and i love it..Latest news ..Disney Files CLAIM on Vader fan film and is making money from it now. Is this Disney's version of CBS v Axanar?
The apprentice must kill the master because then the cycle of giving into and being consumed by hatred is complete.. There is no return after that point and the Sith Master will be empowered in spirit form leeching from the inconsumable hate of his apprentice in afterlife. in contrary to how Jedis go into their afterlife through reaching the light - torment vs joy - hate vs love - darkness vs light. two eternal forces that need to reach their full potential at all cost.
And now Disney has manually issued a copystrike against it (claiming a similarity to John Williams Imperial March) and is collecting revenue from it, even though SWT himself couldn't.
Did big boy in the middle just say it’s better then Revenge of the sith? LMAO. Idk what he’s been smoking but clearly he’s a Prequel hater. Revenge of the sith is a masterpiece and probably one of the best movies. I agree with practically everything else expect him going on about this being better then Episode 3. Fool.
I thought that the killing of the master was the only way the master can possess their apprentice to further live beyond their natural life span, at least I think that's what was practiced by the original syth...
Please don't tell me that you don't know the amethyst blade is Windu...go over to Star Wars Theory's channel and check out his film art photo's for Vader
It's mace windu.only windu has a purple lightsaber in this particular part of the timeline. Star wars theory was playing off the theory that made windu survived
U have yo understand that star wars theory didn't have as much money and the buget as lucasfilm had and yet he still could do beter then them so if we suport him on patreon be might do longer episodes
The guy in the middle is exactly what is wrong with the Star Wars community. "Originals and that's it. Everything else is shit because I think it should've been different." Just look at him when they start talking about the new comics, he just doesn't listen and is yee go on, it's garbage anyway. Hayden was exactly what Lucas wanted Anakin to be, dumb and awkward in the beginning (cuz who the fuck isn't in their teens, early 20s) and honoured Jedi and general in Revenge. He bashes on Lucas for killing Maul so quickly but hates Clone Wars anyway. Like..accept what is made and don't shout in everybody's face how the new stuff is garbage just because u think it is. I feel like these people stuck in Return of the Jedi are like them agresive vegans..
