Then lets go full goblet of fire twist plot, it was Jaina with a polyjuice potion all along and Sylvanas has been lock in a trunk in the ruins of Theramore all that time.
As someone who has played Alliance, primarily, for the past 12 years, I was hoping for something better than Garrosh 2.0 from Sylvannas. My condolences.
They couldn't even do it well is what's really upsetting. One of my favorite characters from the beginning is now being made into a genocidal bad guy, and they can't even make the transformation believable. Wish they'd have made Saurfang or Rexxar warchief and left Syl alone.
I’m not without hope just yet. Blizzard knows they risk losing about 1/3 of current subscribers if they mess this up. Either they are the most predictable hacks in storytelling, or they have one hell of a plot twist coming up at some point in the next two years.
Bleeding Eye Watcher I certainly hope so, if they ruin my favorite character teldrassil won't be the only thing burning down. But I feel there... wait. What if Fordring turned dark? Would he not have the power after all this time to exert his will on at least a few of the "rebellious" dead?
The worst thing about it is that Blizzard provided a perfectly good explanation, but you can only learn about it if you read the accompanying novels. The game and the cinematics don't explain shit, and so people get away with the impression that she did it just to spite that one elf. Which is complete nonsense, obviously. The burning of the tree was a direct consequence of Saurfang failing to kill Malfurion.
Ya know im glad someone else paid attention to that, I mean to be fair it could be that the original plan was only to capture and control it, so it could be a thing where he was just surprised, but still
Yeah I chuckled when I seen Nathanos' reaction. But I thought for sure Saurfang was going to lose his shit. But then again he's old school so no matter what he thinks right at that point he felt it wasn't his place to question her order so he just walked away. But Nathanos you knew Sylvanas was losing her temper when you seen his reaction. You know when the bad asses of the bad asses look scared someone done messed up.
Nah man, most of us hordies are glad the tree burned, and I also wish saurfang finished off malfurion. the tree hippies were always a bother, and now their tree is gone just like undercity will be. What Sylvanas did was the work of a warchief that wants to rule over Kalimdor, not like a weakling priest who hides from conflict. Vol'Jin wouldve been a great chieftain, but sylvanas is one of the best ones to replace him. Only one who could've been better would've been Saurfang.
My first thought was of the rise of fascist leaders. They rise to power with the help of the people only to commit atrocities like this in the name of their ideology. Sylvanas is an ambitious leader who thinks she's doing what is best for her people, but in truth is a monster. Every antagonist thinks they're the hero of their own story. I can't help but wonder if horde players are intended to feel conflicted about this, almost as if rocking the foundation of the faction now be nothing like what will happen to the alliance. Never underestimate a storytellers sadistic nature. We love to punish our readers, but then conflict is what drives any story.
“I have never trusted you, nor would I have ever imagined, in our darkest time, that you would be da one to save us... Many will not understand, but you must sep out of da shadows, and lead.” - Vol’jin
It seems, whether she knows it or not, she's still carrying on the old Lich King's will: To exterminate all life on Azeroth. I could be wrong, but that's what it appears to be to me.
It's literally what she is now. If anyone doesn't know yet, that nightelf in the cinematic is the captain the alliance side quests with throughout the scenario in parts 1 and 2. She is essentially Sylvanas' nightelf equivalent facing the same scenario Sylvanas faced when her home was sacked by Arthas.
I am really hoping there is more to it that we havent seen yet. I do like Sylvanas, but I dislike this act, however look at the quest leading up to it... We didnt slaughter everyone, we saved people.
No gloating, but my question is where are all the cooler heads. Did the Blood Elves think raining fiery death and destroying an elven homeland was a good idea? What about the Pandaren who only fight for home and family? Where were they in a fight for neither? The Horde has a habit of not confronting their leaders, especially on questionable decisions.
Rahsaan Footman the horde are notorious for doing things without even telling the others, that is except the Taurens. But when the alliance attacked innocent workers I believe all the alliance leaders knew about that? I can't remember 100% but I believe they did.
This wasn't what was agreed upon by the horde lol. They were okay with capturing the tree but not burning it. She burns the tree out of spite on a whim because she's angry. I don't know where the other leaders are but I would imagine this wouldnt have happened had they been there.
I think this expansion ending without Sylvanas' death would be a massive cop out. There's no way Saurfang isn't gonna become warchief I just hope the precursor to that is Sylvanas dying and not another Garrosh/Grom situation. The only thing I would accept other than her death is becoming the Lich Queen, given she's basically already become everything she hated about Arthas.
The narrative wasn't as good but the whole fighting Warchief dynamic didn't happen till MoP with a build up in Cata. One has to wonder if Chris for-the-horde- Metzen was still here, would he destroy the soul of the Horde that way.
I'm more Alliance than ever. But no, I'm not loving your reaction in the way you mean. In fact I'm so, so sorry for your sake. And for all Horde players that share your sentiment. Also (as I said to a guildie): Sylvanas burning the tree was SO obvious that a plot twist was too obvious. It was a double twist. Now we wait to see what happens with Sylvanas. I honestly think the plot twist is still coming. It's just that it will take much more story before we get to it. Love from Eastern Kingdoms!
Here's hoping she does something to redeem herself, turns the horde over to saurfang, and goes wandering into the sunset leaving Nathanos in charge of the forsaken, showing up for major questlines in the future. I'm really going to be upset if this ends with her dead or still like.. this.
THANK YOU as a Horde player I also HATE it when I see ppl bitching about Sylvanas being a bad bitch. Like why the hell do people apply the morality of Real life into a fantasy MMO? Like who cares who is evil and not, welcome to world of WARcraft, there are no cops to arrest our warchief for starting a faction war. So dissapointed with Horde players whinning about wanting to be good peace keepers, social justice warriors wannabe.
I don't THINK so... it will just be another kind of twist. But it's also possible that it won't be a twist but a slower more standard development. In any case I'm confident that Blizz has an idea what they want to do with this, and I don't think it's a repeat of Garrosh. (My crazy theory involves Undead as a third faction... but I know there's not much backing THAT up) :D
neither good nor evil. Grey is this case is a reference to what is in between white and black (alluding to good and evil). Oh and, he's being sarcastic 😅
because the horde love sylvanas, because shes a good person, but lazy writing has led to this shit burning down teldrassil, what a waste of a horde character again, SoO 2.0 imbound
I think her goal is to make everyone Undead! but Voljin put her in charge because the spirit were telling him to. I don't think its bad writting something will probably happen with the old god and it will kind of make her look better.
0:13 "I am a very horde leaning person, i'm sure Jaina is the one that will burn the tree because she is cra-a-a-azy" 4:09 "Oooooooooohhhhh............." "Are we..... THE BAD GUYS ?!" Ok, i've lost count how many times i've said this before but... to all those people that though Sylvannas was some kind of hero: Why?... Do you even lore?! I am so proud of being a fan of Warcraft since the RTS, an have personaly played tru Warcraft 2 and 3 and WoW from its beginning. And anyone that has actualy played the games, and payed a minimum of attention to the story, in other words, anyone with a pair of eyes and ears, will tell you, Sylvannas is NOT a good character... She is not a hero... She is the product of hate and sorrow... a being that exists only to revenge, and that won't care how deep she has to fall to accomplish her goals... She-is-not the nice guy of the story. But, unlike Illidan, she is not there to protect anything, for she thinks there's nothing left to protect. Illidan may have been neither the nicest guy... but at least he fought to protect something, that's why at least he is considered an Anti-hero, Sylvannas in the other hand... well... And this is not a garrosh 2.0... Garrosh is a char that genuinely went from a rash, yet honorable warrior, to a crazy warmonger... it was more understandable that people where upset at the twist of character he had... but Sylvannas... she has never been a nice, honorable anything (i mean since after Arthas killed her)
jaina out of all the npc has the most reasons to go all bat shit but, in the end shes not stupid she will probably have a big part in this expansion finally, on the other hand miss emo queen there was the obvious suspect, unthinking and rash she went off the rails and divided the horde and burned out a formidable bargaining chip for her cause, if only she didnt lose sight of the initial plan and killed malfurion instead of just walking away, and kept the tree has a resource then she would actually be a little more well placed for the coming war.
2 good points, here are my thoughts about it: 1 - She didn't kill Malfurion for a couple reazons: Because she wanted Saurfang to do it personaly, to get his hands bloody. That's why she leaves. If she stays, it would still mean less. If she leaves and he kills Malfurion, Saurfang could not argue that he was following orders and that his warchief was just there, waiting for he to complete his task. BUT in the case she leaves, and he dosen't kill him, then she can brand Saurfang as a traitor... and get rid of him. Saurfang is a pilar of honor, a bastion that represent all the good things horde... an obstacle for her machinations... So, if he dosen't do as she order him, she has an advantage there, to later kick him out. Also! If Saurfangs kills Malfurion alone, the Alliance hate would be totaly directed on him... Sylvannas is all ways of cunning, she plots well in advance, and she is kind of a coward, she uses others to do her dirty work. 2 - I think it was kinda convenient how all the catapults were already pointed towards Teldrasil... and loaded with Azerite bombs...Don't you think? That's because her plan was to burn the tree all along. An attack of the magnitude needed to burn the whole tree whole can't be pulled in 2 seconds because you get all pissed towards a soldier... You need to have the weapons ready, AND the ammo. And like the elf said, she had already won... And just to finish here... i been thinking... what if this war is just the first step of a much bigger plan? She said : Life is pain, and againm the elf said "You made life your enemy"... What if Sylvannas is plotting to realy kill everybody in the planet and turn them into undeads enslaved to her will? Remember, she said that too in the comic... it may actualy be true....
Just THANK YOU. It's nice to see at least one person from this crowd who knows Lore. It is a pity that the players are not interested in Lore, and play for the Horde only for the reason that it is "brutal."
TheOmegaSkater so where’s that out rage of when varian captured female orcs then tortured there children in front of them before killing all of them, of the call to genocide against the undead OR the attacking and genocide of troll tribes including peaceful tribes leaving none alive
Idk there are a ton of innocent people in org. The tauren at least are the most peaceful of the horde races when it comes to faction interaction. Though I wouldn't shed a tear if sylvanis was gone. She was a turd since wc3. My only complaint would be again replacing warchiefs and recycling a story from what 2010?
I'm just upset that they are rehashing an old plot. I really wish they would focus on the horde being an honorable band of outcasts and misfits that try to survive.. this making horde leaders villians for the sake of shock value is stale
"Hey, you make grey by mixing black and white, right? So if we have black and white character in the same scene it'll get mixed together and become gray, right?" - Blizzard's writers, probably
Garrosh 2.0 everyone, now with extra crazy and malice. I'm very much Alliance but even I think the Horde deserve a break from losing Warchiefs or just simply getting full on insane and/or evil ones. Not that I had high hopes for Sylvanas in that respect but I mean come on, Blizzard, at a certain point you're just kicking the Horde players while they're down.
She lost her people and it damaged her hard. Why would she do that to aanyone else, when she knows the best how painful it is? That doesn't make any sense.
I play both sides, but I'm primarily an Alliance player. That being said, I do not believe that the Horde are the bad guys. Sylvanas, yes, but not the faction as a whole. This hurts, obviously, but I do think it makes for a really interesting story for Horde players and their characters. Do you follow your Warchief at all costs? What does it mean to be For the Horde? Is this war in the interests of the Horde, or just Sylvanas? My Horde toon is a Tauren Druid, so this whole storyline has been heartbreaking for me from that perspective.
im an alliance and i believe horde are all about honor and glory. i don't believe the horde are evil, its just the fact that sylvanas represents the horde so shes making the horde look bad with this.
Azeroth will never be at peace, it’s literally the world of Warcraft. The titans spoke of it in lore. It will only get worse. We are all just along for the ride.
How nobody saw this coming? she was this evil since the beginning of WoW... she always acted in a selfish way, joined the Horde for convenience, developed a more powerful plague behind the warchief eyes (a plague that later would be used by Putress to exterminate as much Horde as Alliance members), attacked Gilneas without previous provocation (killing its heir to the throne in the proccess) slaughtered innocent humans of Hillsbrad Foothills just to bring them back to life to serve her... and so on... she was an interesting character during warcraft 3, but since wow released she is being like she is in this video, an evil flat minded generic comic villain...
meesh11p explain how long dose the horde have to watch alliances call to genocide and killing of children as well civilians before a leader fights back?
bloodhuff W.h.a.t? Evil since the begining? No tf she wasn't, she was an amazing character that was the only one with the balls to stand up against Arthas - she even broke his will over her as first undead. It was in CATACLYSM that they messed up her character.. Either learn the lore or shut up, since you spew lies just to make our faction look better. Fan boys like you make me want to switch JFS. Also - she didn't want to kill the prince, he got in the way. Srsly were you playing or just clicking "complete" the whole time?
Jin the banana from the left Yes, yes, Evil since the beginning, "we are the forsaken we will slaughter anyone who stands in our way" in Vanilla you could see her experimenting shit with her Apothecary Society behind Thrall's eyes. She was the only one with the balls to stand up against Arthas? she doesn't break Arthas will in any moment, she gets back her consciousness because Frostmourne lost power, that's it. This is what she said back in Frozen Throne campaign: "For some reason I no longer hear the Lich King's voice in my head. My will is my own once again." And in WoTLK while Garrosh, Saurfang and the 7th Legion of the Alliance were fighting and trying to settle their headquarters, she was in the opposite corner of Northrend developing a more powerful plague (which you, the hero, help her to develope), a plague that later would be used (by Putress) in the Wrath Gate battle to kill EVERYONE, not just the Scourge..., you say "she kill the Gilnean prince because he got in the way", don't tell me, she was in Gilneas because she wanted to make friends, right? in the moment the gates came down she tried to destroy, conquer the kingdom and turn their citizens into undeads, xDDD what you say is absurd, also I said "she attacked Gilneas without previous provocation (killing its heir to the throne in the proccess)" I didn't say how the prince was killed so what you say can be true in my argument, if I have to learn about lore you should learn how to read my friend. Also people like you, always got nervous when someone say unpleasent truths about her, using excuses like "learn the lore /cry /cry, read the quest before clicking "complete" /cry /cry, you are a fanboy /cry /cry" but the funny thing is that you never talk with arguments, only insults, which make your point totally invalid right away, if you want to talk, let's talk, but the only thing you did in your comment was whinning without any logic and insult me. And you call me fanboy? XDDD
i too am a horde player and i thought it was gonna be azshara who did it gutted it was yet again our warchief who gone dun nuts i am sick of blizz killing our warchiefs after making them do bad stuff... i really hope there's something more to this and maybe that someone is controlling her but as she just wanted to capture it first and it took a night elf taunting her to do it i somehow doubt it if someone was controlling her she would of always intended on burning it but she didnt she just decided to do it... ffs blizz why you do dis
I'm Alliance, but I agree, the Horde deserve to get a Warchief that doesn't just die or turn out to be a complete homicidal nutjob. She's giving Garrosh a good run for his money in the "being a complete dick" department.
Im not Laughing at you.....I freaking called it. Sylvanas Has Been a Baddie since after the death of the Lich king. Seriously... She Attacked Gilneas unprovoked. Simply because she needed more undead... She literally turned into the Lich Queen... I had hoped that she was turning a new Leaf after saving the Horde on the Broken shore....But alas...Good things always die hard.
She attacked Gilneas under orders from Garrosh, because he wanted their port. Also, can we stop with the "Lich Queen" shit? Her title is already "Banshee Queen," it's an inherent juxtaposition of the Lich King title.
Red Sparrow nope. When you become that which you hate... its better to call someone something that is reminiscent of it. So I’ll continue to call her the lich queen.
I am surprised that everyone is so surprised about Sylvanas. Her motto is: Death to the living. What do you all think what that means? She wants to kill everything that lives, she wants to make them to Forsaken and who believes you will be after the Alliance? Ever thought of it?
The Horde cannot be redeemed, their actions rely on the warchief. You can have an honorable one like Thrall and peace might have a chance, but put in a weakling or a maniac like Sylvanas and all bets are off.
Never forget that Garrosh executed his own General for destroying a tree full of innocents and children. #garroshdidnothingwrong #theramorewasaninsidejob
Mr. Boling _ Garrosh fit the spirit of the Horde far more than Sylvanas. She's just pure evil at this point. She's like an evil dictator that rules with fear like Kim Jong. At least Garrosh had a sense of warriors honor. But all those who follow Sylvanas completely understand are just as evil as her. I hope there is a civil war among the Horde. Maybe Sylvanas will become a third more evil faction and disband from the Horde.
Horde > Thrall (Alive) > Garrosh (dead) > Vol'jin (dead) > Sylvanus Alliance > Bolvar (LK) > Varian (dead) > Anduin .... so, the Horde has 1 more high leader death than the Alliance; which isn't a huge deal.
Holy guacumoly i hade some shiver the whole video.. That night elf wasn't the only reason to Sylvanas burning down that Life tree. But what effects will the rest of the world get for losing the Teldrasil? How will it effects the continents?
"Were". Vordrassil was corrupted by Yogg'Saron and is in pieces. Nordrassil is alive but still massively weakened from Archimonde and Legion events. Teldrassil was never blessed by the aspects which is why it was purple. So we have 1, weak tree left
I really wouldn't push more players into the Alliance's hands, that is a bad idea. Horde already have longer queue times and the lower population by a good %, and are only held up by the blood elf population as it is. If you want all the diehard Orc and Tauren fans who will hate Sylvanas and the way she acts (far worse than Garrosh at this point) to go to the alliance, the Horde will shrink even more. They can add all the sweet new allied races and favor certain Horde characters all they want, but if large chunks of the faction feel disgusted with their warchief, they will either go Alliance or quit the game, which isn't a good thing for the Horde. The only way this ends well is with Sylvanas dead at the end, because no amount of attempted redemption is going to wipe away all the evil things she's done in her unlife. Which means we have a SoO 2.0 incoming where the logical and good Horde leaders will turn on Sylvanas, in a few more years we'll have Warchief Baine Bloodhoof, we just have to be patient.
Like I said this many times, even way before all this BFA beta story started, if Horde(playerbase) ain't cool with Sylvanas gives us separate faction with Our Queen as it's leader.
Well come on, Sylvanas is literally "The Dark Lady". She's straight up the darkest most sinister character in the series. She has her own agenda and the horde is her tool. Yeah she played along during Legion for the greater good, but now it's time to go to war and its ugly. I'm interested to see how far this goes.
Well... who do you prefer next? Saurfang or Baine Bloodhoof? Saurfang would be a return to the traditional Horde ways while Bloodhoof would be a more fitting successor to Vol'jin. Personally, while I like Saurfang, I'd love to see Bloodhoof get the chance to instill more of the Tauren ways into the Horde as a whole.
The game is called warcraft. Not peacecraft with Baine as war chief. The horde and alliance would get along. I could only see that happening if Blizz decides to end the conflict between the 2 factions for good and have them always team up to fight the greater threat. Like they do every 2 expansions before fighting each again.
"So, story team: we need a really great storyline for this expansion! Something really original!" "I know! How about this: the Horde Warchief responds to the threat of an Alliance city on Kalimdor by utterly annihilating it in a cataclysmic attack, thereby firmly establishing that the Horde are the badguys!" "Uhm...didn't we do that storyline already?" "Yeah, but that was three expansions ago! Nobody will remember!"
Her burning the tree didn’t hurt me as much as the quest after that part. I managed to save only 50 out of freaking 1000 citizens.... that was depressing....
While I do see your point of Bwonsamdi being a loa and probably hating the undead for “stealing” his souls, wouldn’t it be cool to see him as a faction leader. Perhaps he strikes some sort of deal with Sylvanas and the Valkyrie.
I'm actually Amused by the Shocked reaction of Hordies though... How did you not see this coming from Sylvanas? Seriously the Signs were all there that she was coocoo for coco puffs.... In the Quests leading up to this she literally tells you whats going to go down... She wanted the World tree....But instead she burns it out of spite because another elf said she couldn't kill hope.... Sylvanas….Did you learn NOTHING after the Original Horde killed Lothar.... We Don't lose Heart after Losing something.... We pick ourselves up and Kick ass even harder. You about to feel the Full Might of the alliance "Warqueef!!!" Prepare yourselves hordies….You wanted war....You got it! FOR THE ALLIANCE!!!
Speaking of another elf saying Sylvanas couldn't kill hope. For some reason, it reminded me of what Genn said to Anduin during Legion. "Your father's actions were indeed heroic. They were his challenge to us, his people. To never let fear prevail, even at the very gates of hell."
Lol, sounds like you have some growing up to do. Calling other people childish over their opinion of a story inside a video game is the epitome of childishness.
All HAIL THE BANSHEE QUEEN! This is what the night elves AND the alliance deserve. This is the exact same thing as when the alliance let the High Elves get slaughtered by the Lich King, they didn’t send help when they asked. 90% of the High Elves were wiped out and most of the remaining ones (which wasn’t much) called themselves Blood Elves and practiced arcane magic to defend themselves against the scourge. The alliance never helped them so they turned to the Horde. The alliance deserves this, a genocide a revenge that all Blood Elves were waiting for (and the Horde). And especially a genocide on the Night Elces because they abandoned they High Elves to lick some ass of Moon Goddes who didn’t save anyone of the Night Elves so jokes on you, you should’ve stayed a High Elves because all those powers and Gods didn’t help you when Sylvanas came to your borders and burned your tree and your people.
Well im a horde main, looks like we have another SoO scenario imbound boys! Sigh, why did blizzard have to just crumple another horde character like this: 1: We have the most meaningless leaders going, besides Sylvanas, Thrall and Vol'jin, compared to the Alliance who have Genn, Tyrande, Anduin, Magni, Velen, who are all so much cooler lore wise imo, and certainly don't die to trash mobs... 2: Vol'jin dies to a bloody trash mob of all things 3: Thrall goes, nah mate cant wield this hammer anymore soz, so hes now just an orc ghandi. 4: Every expac turns the horde inside out, and the alliance remain unscaved...besides Varian and a baby faced king that likes to class switch, but ya know, I don't think that's comparable. 5: Now lazy writing once again kills off Horde spirits, like why?'
I'm super salty as well. It's like they flipped the chaotic evil switch and said fuck it. In my opinion she really felt weak for the first time. I was kinda hoping she was the firestarter. She's a ruthless and calculating leader and that's absolutely something she would do.. Just not like that. Oh well. Too late now lol.
Anduin already did that in Legion, where Greymane openly attacked the Warchief of the Horde. That's a large part of what led to the war, in the first place. Greymane started it.
As an Orc player from Warcraft 3, I am so happy. This is for every Blademaster who spent the game caught in a tornado. This is for every Tauren Chieften constantly mana burnedThis is for every time you turtled up behind moonwells This is for every cheesy creeping with you damn trees. My hatred of the night elves runs deep and they are finally defeated. Lok'tar O'gar, Warchief!
This is a pre-emptive strike. Sylvanas' decision might not be incredibly popular with non-forsaken members of the horde, but she was just doing what she thought was best.
No honey I am not enjoying your distress. I am not enjoying seeing the Dark Lady reach this point of evil I've never seen in her. Of course you wouldn't think it was Sylvanas who burned the world tree. You love her. I love her. But she orders the burning. For whatever motivation she orders it. I've been sad over the BfA since first hearing it. I play both factions and have love on both sides. Though as you are a Horde-leaning human, I am at my core Alliance-leaning. I don't want this war. Was Legion not enough sorrow? Enough loss?
I wonder if the Alliance will accept factions of the Horde in the next expansion? I am for the Alliance, always have played the Alliance characters. A Night Elf.
Daeling Proudmoore warned us of the Horde, of the destruction they would bring, the death and sorrow that would follow in their wake. He was right. The Horde cannot be redeemed if they do not fundamentally change who they are and that is unlikely. "Peace is like a dream. Beautiful, ephemeral. Unobtainable"
Like Camp Taurajo? Teldrassil was given ample time to evacuate. Kaldorei leadership chose to wait until the last moment. They knew it was coming and they stayed.
Iscariot Camp Taurajo > "Several quest chains do show that General Hawthorne, who led the assault, ordered his men to give the townsfolk an opening in their defensive lines for them to escape." "For his own part, High Chieftain Baine Bloodhoof accepted that Camp Taurajo was a legitimate military target, as they did train hunters and warriors there, and knows that Hawthorne refused to have its civilians slaughtered." Teldrassil had no time to escape because the attack from the North was a suprise attack.
They did not, actually. Sylvanas planned to invade the tree and Darnassus initially, occupying it and using its residents as bargain. Not killing all of them. Deciding to burn them all down was a salty reaction to that night elf.
I'm alliance 100%...but I always had a sense of respect for the Horde. Even though I thought the Horde was pretty heavy handed, they always acted with honor, and that, I respected. This is just unbelievable...or, just evil. Of all of the leaders of the Horde, I always thought that either Vol'Jin or Salvanas would make the best. Guess I was wrong. I feel sorry for the Horde players that have to somehow find validity in what she has done, the killing of thousands of innocent civilians, but not quite sure how you are going to do that...and the Horde druids, sorry.
I honestly loved it when the dark lady smiled and burned the tree 😈 so fucking evil and i love it! Like i said before in another vid, idc if horde come off as the bad guys, makes me feel even better to kill alliance as undead now, for the forsaken and for the Queen!
yea im pretty sure shes gonna be "removed" from office from the inside, something in the Q&A from Ian point to other leaders stepping up, to take charge.
I think it was interesting that, given Sylvanas’ history, the Horde’s attack on Teldrassil mirrored almost precisely the Scourge’s attack on Silvermoon. The relentless advance, the use of poisons in place of the Scourge’s plague, the killing of innocents. Something Panzer might not see is that after the cinematic, the Alliance players arrive in Darnassus as it is burning, and are given a quest to evacuate 900+ civilians, and are given just 3 minutes to do it. Of course it’s impossible, and the desperate despair of trying to clear a city we’ve had since the game began, while the air is smoke-filled and the fires rage, is a very real feeling. Additionally, some of the NPCs call for help, including one wrenching example of a woman begging for our help to find her child. We never do before we’re forced to retreat through a portal.
You know what i have hope in? That all the reactions of the Horde players that watched this showed how horrified they were by her choice (a choice she made out of spite -- the plan was to occupy the tree but a NE said something uppity to her and she changed that plan to burn hope and kill civilians). It shows that the Horde knows what honor is -- and more importantly-- what honor isn't. She needs to go down or step, whatever it takes, and Saurfang needs to take her place. I can't think of why any Alliance (including myself) would be laughing or enjoying this disappointing turn of events at anyone's expense, let alone yours. it's a terrible outcome for both sides.
but she always had catapults and pitch along with her. they are basic machines of war to take on battlements and walls of structures. she was going for occupying the tree intially and using the catapults to destroy buildings and barricades within darnassus.
I don't think we'll kill Azshara when we fight her, I think we'll just weaken her. She is way too powerful for us to be able to just kill the first time we encounter her as a Naga.
Eh, we've fought stronger beings as a raid before. Then there is the old NPC helping us etc if need be. Azshara is a cool character for sure, but she is still a servant of another Old God (The only living one we haven't defeated).
I think you're underestimating how powerful she is. Back when she was still a Highborne, she was powerful enough that Sargeras pretty much told Mannaroth that she would dwarf him in power. She was pretty much on par with Kil'jaiden and Archimonde back then. Now she has not only her mastery of the Arcane, but also most likely very powerful Shadow magic as well. And then to top it off, Azerite is the blood of the world, basically solid parts of the Well of Eternity, which she had learned how to gain much power from, so if she were to have any chunks of the ore on her it would amplify her powers ten fold most likely. Most of the bosses we've fought that could be said to be more powerful than her were not at full strength. Only two come to mind that you could say were significantly more powerful, the Lich King, and Argus both of these bosses are the only ones that in current content will kill the entire raid, but and outside character is the one to save us pretty much.
Gizmo Mogwi You're right about her being stronger than people believe, however, there was nothing in writing about being "dwarfed" by Azshara, Sargeras simply told Mannoroth not to engage her until everything was perfectly ready.
mannoroth almost struck out at her once when she pissed him off, but he realized that she was beyond his power. it was in the war of the ancients trilogy