In today's video we react to WarCraft Gamers React to Warbringers: Jaina & Sylvanas Subscribe To Our Vlog Channel:bit.ly/2RmUZVQ Original Video: • Warbringers: Jaina • Warbringers: Sylvanas
Ok, let me explain again the stories of the two characters, because they are different. The first one is called Jaina, a very powerful mage that in her youth was the lover of Arthas, the first Lich King, before he was transformed. She had a tragic life starting with his downfall, her journey led her to an ancient continent, called Kalimdor, where she met Thrall, a noble orc, that was just leading his people and tried to survive after they won their freedom. Her father, the grand admiral of her people followed her there and when they met, he couldnt understand her reasons in helping those orc, since he thought of them of being only savage beasts, not creatures with honor or reason. After failing to make her father listen, she stood aside when he and his army tried to imprison the orcs again, fact that led to his death. The song (the shanty) in the first video is her people's song about her, warning about the betrayal of the daughter of the sea, as they used to call her. The second video is about Sylvanas, the current antagonist, trying to show us the reasons she became like this. If you read my comment in the Wrath of the Lich King video, I said there that Arthas, after going down the dark path, he went and invaded the High Elves. She was a ranger general there, entrusted with the defense of their lands and really gave Arthas a good run, but in the end she was killed by him using Frostmourne, the cursed blade. But he didnt want to give her a peaceful death, so in revenge for all the trouble she caused, he raised her as a Banshee, under his control. When he eventually left for the Frozen Throne, she broke free and swore vengeance against him. After Arthas' defeat, she didnt really find a meaning to live, so she threw herself from the top of Icecrown and died. But in death, she saw eternal darkness and got scared of that faith. Some Val'Kyr found her spirit there and bound themselves to her and brought her back to life, and ever since, she is trying to avoid that death again and find a solution for it. Also, while in that eternal dark place, she met an entity called The Jailor, that she made a pact with, to send it as many souls as she could, while he was giving her power. Thats why she started the war, killed innocents, made the Horde and Alliance kill eachother, all to send the dead souls to that Jailor so she could get more power, culminating in the end with her trip to Icecrown, where she fought and defeated the 2nd Lich King, Bolvar, and destroying the Crown of Dominance, breaking the veil between our world and the Shadowlands, where the Jailor resides. Hope this helps you understand these characters and their motivations a bit.
@@laertesindeed Chapter 7: Arthas: Rise of the Lich King (canon by the way) "They joined the throngs dancing by the fire that night, causing the guards no end of consternation as they went right down among the populace and shook hands and exchanged greetings. And then they gave the dutiful guards the slip, losing themselves in the crowd and stealing away unnoticed. Arthas led her through the back corridors to the private living quarters of the palace. Once they were almost caught by some servants taking a shortcut to the kitchens, and had to flatten themselves against the wall and stay perfectly still for several long moments. Then they were in Arthas's rooms. He closed the door, leaned back up against it, and swept her into his arms, kissing her deeply. But it was she, shy, studious Jaina, who broke the kiss and moved toward the bed, leading him by the hand, the orange light from the still-blazing wicker man outside dancing on their skin. He followed, almost as in a daze, a dream, as they stood beside the bed, their hands clasped so tightly Arthas feared her fingers would snap in his grip. "Jaina," he whispered. "Arthas," she said, the word a whimper, and kissed him again, her hands reaching up to clasp his face between her hands. He was dizzy with wanting her, and felt suddenly bereft as she drew back. Her breath was soft and warm on his face as she whispered, "I...are we ready for this?" He started to answer flippantly, but he knew what she was really asking. He could not imagine being more ready to bring this girl the rest of the way into his heart. He had turned down the lovely Taretha, and she had not been the first he had said no to. Jaina, he knew, was even less experienced than he in such matters. "I am if you are," he whispered hoarsely, and as he bent to kiss her again, he saw the familiar furrow of worry cross her brow. I will kiss it away, he vowed, bringing her onto the bed with him. I will make everything you could ever worry about go away forever. Later, when the wicker man had finally burned out and the only light on Jaina's sleeping form was the cool blue-white of moonlight, Arthas still lay awake, running his fingers along the curves of her body and alternately wondering where this would all lead and feeling content to simply be in the moment. He had not tossed in a branch to the wicker man fire, because he had nothing he wished to be rid of. Nor did he now, he thought, bending forward to kiss her. Jaina awakened with a soft sigh, reaching for him. "No one can seem to deny you anything," she murmured, repeating the words she had said to him the day of their first kiss, "least of all me." He clutched her to him then, a sudden cold shivering over him, though he had no idea why. "Don't deny me, Jaina. Don't ever deny me. Please." She looked up at him, eyes glittering in the cool moonlight. "I never would, Arthas. Never." (yeah...just friends..no relationship here folks )
Jaina Proudmoore is the daughter of Daelin Proudmoore who in Warcrarft 3 Died at the hands of the Orcs but was really in the wrong. He was blinded by his hatred and mistrust, and ultimately lost his life because of that. Later the Horde under another bad guy Warchief (happens to them a lot it seems) destroyed her Home of Theramore...Killing more of her friends and countrymen. She has a pretty big mean-on for the Horde because of this even though her and Thrall (another Orc) had a close friendship. She is a powerful ally of the Alliance and Once the Paramore of Arthas, who became the Lich King. Her people the Kul Tirans are some of the greatest sailors and shipwrights. She raises her fathers Flagship to aid the alliance in the fights against the Horde. Sylvanas Windrunner (aka the Evil Girl) was once a High Elf Ranger whom died at the Hands of the Lich King (Arthas), was brought back as a Banshee, and later Broke Free from him control and became the leader of other undead whom were free willed with the ultimate Goal of killing the Lich King (Arthas). Once that was done she threw herself from Ice Crown (The Frozen Throne) Where the Lich King's seat of power is and died a 2nd time...only to find herself in the Maw (aka Hell), she was saved by the Val'kyr. And set upon a path to survive for if she died again she would return to the anguish and torment of the Maw. However along the way she became an agent or partner of The Jailer the being who runs the Maw. The cycle of regular death was broken and now all souls go to the Maw for the Jailer. That is why she started the war and was so hell bent on killing everyone...to send souls to the Jailer...
Yeah it´s just a shame that most ppl even wow players dont fully understand this cinematic. For those that never played the bonus campaign in Warcraft 3 Frozen throne or hade it explained to them cant fully understand what is referenced here. Everything that happens and singed about in this trailer is a referance to that bonus campaign.
It's because they judge the artistic value more than the continuation of the story. Being a WoW player and fan since 2008, I can tell you a lot about the story, same as media personalities like Asmon or Soda, but the point is that with them you already basically know how they will react because to a large margin you know what they know. While reactions like this are more akin to showing someone a book you like for the first time.
@@Shiftry87 Oh come on, I've never finished any WC campaign as a kid because I wasn't into all the micro-control stuff, I've always liked BfME type RTS more, but despite of that I easily know what this is about.
@@herrbratwurstje before the war of the ancients and the rise in druidism the male to female ratio in soldiers and warriors was about the same, maybe sligthly towards the male sight even as can be seen from the spirits of the past in blackrookhold. After Arcane magic was banned from Nigth elven society though people looked to a new kind of magic, druidism taught by Malfurion, which an overwhelming amount of men applied for it seems. Those men went to sleep in the emerald dream and that's why the night elves have a gender ratio of about 60-70% female.
Actually almost all civilians of tereddessil saved by adventurers and Greymane. Only soldiers died. That's a failed Genocide attempt. Only genocide in Warcraft history is the highelves and Loredron Humans killed by Arthas.
jaina (the first character) was on the verge of bringing peace between the alliance and the horde and her father was blinded by hatred for the orcs and the horde races he got in the way and tried to kill the orcs she was trying to make peace with and she stood by as they defended themselves and her fathers life was lost in the battle. shes a tragic character but shes blinded by a hatred for the horde after one of the warchiefs after her fathers death bombed theramore. a city she was in killing alot of people she cared about.
and her brother was killed by orcs previously which is a reason for his hatred of orcs, don't forget how orcs entered Azeroth as conquerors, not friends :)
@@arthursantel5180 her brother was killed in war against the Dragonmaw. Killed by Red Dragons for the deal with dragonmaw horde. Orc did enter the Azorath for piece if u read the story of Nerzul. "World full of food and water end the suffering on Draenor" also promise of things to kill to end the fel Bloodlust. But Guldan have true hidden plan to start war to weaken the Azorath armies. Exactly same thing happened in Draenor. War is planned.
@@ulquiorraschiffer1327 They did listen but fate would have it that the only two times that they spoke over the lyrics of the song was the exact two times where it was mentioned that she stood aside while/when her father was engaged in battle
To make a really long story short(er): Jaina is my favorite (female) character in WoW so this summary might be a bit biased. To summarize her story she is the princess of a nation called Kul Tiras. She has always been a pacifist even to the point of going against her father, Admiral Proudmoore, when he wanted to kill members of the Horde, a faction opposing the humans. This led to his death since Jaina did not stand by his side as the Horde was forced to kill Daelin (the Admiral), causing the kingdom she's from to make this song about her, portraying her as a traitor and as sort of a boogeyman of Kul Tiras, her own home. She later formed her own nation to lead and rule from, called Theramore, and it was bombed to oblivion by a leader of the aforementioned Horde. This caused the pacifistic Jaina's blonde hair to turn white and caused her to snap, becoming angry, vengeful and bitter. A very dangerous combination as Jaina is very powerful. In this song she reflects on her mistakes, humming the sea chanty her own people have made about her. Throughout the expansion she returns to her childhood home (Kul Tiras) and faces the judgement of her people, while also learning to forgive herself, her father, her enemies and everyone else, turning her from her warmongering path towards one that once again prefers peace, even though she is now willing to fight if need be. To me, it's a beautiful story arch about a pacifist who gets pushed over the brink, becomes very close to becoming what her foes are and maybe even worse, but eventually returns to her roots, having grown as a person. She is (in my biased opinion :P) one of the most well-written characters in the Warcraft Universe.
It's funny how she say "you've made life your enemy", when the undead were denied by the living (alliance) as a new race. Sylvanas didn't want revenge, she was under the Lich Kings command. She suffered and lost hope because most of the people she fought for lost their life (life is pain, hope fails).
sometimes I think Sylvanas just want to save Azeroth by making her their enemy, which is the horde and the alliance if that is true she is the real hero of Azeroth that everyone hates since no know. I hope the story will turn up like this, she is my favourite character in Wow, I wish Blizzard give her a better plot and ending. She deserves a better ending and story, She has suffered a lot, her sisters think she turned to a monster, no one accepts she and her people(undead).
The main reason why Jaina is so chilling in this short is because of two things: Garrosh's bombing of Theramore, and the perceived betrayal of the Horde on the Broken Shore that led to Varian Wrynn's death. Everything good in her life has been taken away by the Horde, first her father when he refused to listen to her and attacked the Orcs when they first arrived in Kalimdor, then when Garrosh used the magical equivalent of a nuclear bomb to level the city she had built without provocation, and then when Vol'jin was wounded in the attack on the Legion front, Sylvanas pulled the Horde back, leaving Varian and the Alliance forces outnumbered, forcing him to sacrifice himself for his men to escape. She's had enough of trying to live peacefully with those who bring only war and death (no matter that those few who did those things were largely acting in their own interests and not necessarily on behalf of the Horde), and with the burning of Teldrassil and the genocide of the Night Elves in their home city, she's finally through. That's why she raised the Lord Admiral's flagship from the depths where it had been sunk, and flew it to Lordaeron, using her unmatched skills as the Archmage of the Kirin Tor to punish the Horde for their transgressions.
Jaina Proudmoore is an incredibly powerful mage, and hydromancer which is how she was able to raise the ship from the ocean, she is a human from the kingdom of Kul Tiras but left when she was a teen to study magic in the magical city of Dalaran.
in the second video the significance of the tree is that it was gigantic, and sacred to the elves, which had a huge city at the top, and thousands were massacred in the fire, mostly women and children. And you saw the flashback to the transformation of Sylvanas into an undead banshee, which happened long before these events. The first video was about Jaina, who is a powerful mage, and she has issues around the death of her father, for which she was held responsible. These two story lines are played through in much more detail in the game.
Thanks so much for letting us watch you both. I love to see non WoW players look over the cinematic's from the game because of how much you can pick up! Without knowing anything of this game and world... you both picked up nearly all of what we players.. know from playing the game. Love it.
00:12 "She seems evil, like shes trying to take over the world." No, not evil. .....Nuts. Sylvanas is nuts Shes two gallons of crazy in a one gallon can.
People have been explaining their motivations since their first reaction to anything Sylvanas related. They don't pay attention to comments and have literally no clue what's going on.
hey great video and love the ferngully reference, the music in warcraft is a huge part and has been of a very high quality. please do the danish choirs version nobody on youtube has done a reaction and im like why its soo good
Jaina used to be crazy of hate against the horde, but she is sane now. Sylvanas has been seeking more power for a while and she is so powerfull now because she gets energy from old gods from the realm she opened in the shadowlands trailer. I recommend you too look for more lore, its amazing everything that has happened around this story. By the way I just started looking at your videos, really good content, keep it up guys.
The first is jania. She tried to put the differences between the alliance and horde aside to make peace with then but her dad refused to do anything but fight the horde, so she stepped aside and let him be killed in hopes of the bigger picture being peace. Fast forward years later the horde was ran by a psycho orc who bombed her city killing everyone and now she is set on revenge and hates the horde. Thats why she says “i’m listening now father.”
The singer is Laura Bailey, famous voice actress and one of the players on 'Critical Role', which is a very popular online D&D show. You should check out 'Women of Warcraft', a panel where you got to see the women behind the voices of Wow.
These videos depict two different characters. The first is a human named Jaina whom you haven't met yet in any of the cinematic that you watched. Not sure why people told you to watch that one yet since you wouldn't know who she is and could get confused. The second one is Sylvanas, the Banshee Queen and undead elf whom you've seen in the cinematic. That one gives some backstory of how she got killed and twisted into who she is now. I would suggest watching in game cinematics in chronological order to get a little more of a grasp of who people could be. Perhaps do a series from the beginning of WoW, or even the ones from Warcraft 3, at least the Arthes one. Add on some of the patch trailers that tell stories. There are some youtube videos that have them in order. I am enjoying your reactions. It is nice to see how people react when they don't have an investment in the game. Keep it up.
For context, that tree she burned. Is a HUGE elf city as well with thousands and thousands of civilians living on it. She essentially murdered the majority of a race right there even though she won that war/battle.
It was never explicitly said that Jaina was a "lover" of Arthas…. there had not been any real romance. Friendship and teasing, perhaps...but no sex, and no relationship.
@@danielg2294 Even qual thalas had the hots for her but she was so oblivious to it. it wasnt until arthas pulled up and made jaina his women that he almost murked arthas.
@@laertesindeed you might want to read Arthas: Rise of the Lich King. They did indeed consummate their relationship and were all but engaged. It was only when she mentioned their eventual kids that he got cold feet and backed off a little.
Really good video guys like always, thanks a lot. You guys should see all the Warcraft: Warbringers and the Warcraft: "Harbingers" (connected to "Warbringers") trailers so you guys can have a better grasp of the rest of the story, but also please do check out the original Warcraft trailers such as the ones from Warcraft: Legion (you'll see an interesting part of Silvana's life there), Cataclysm, Mists of Pandaria and Warlords of Draenor. If you want to learn more about the history of the Horde however, see the Warcraft: Warlords trailer. Been supporting you guys since your first Warcraft reactions and I've been following all your videos since then. Keep doing what you do and stay safe.
Jaina proudmoore was seen as the betrayer by kul tiras ( her homeland) because she stood aside as her father battled the horde. Before the battle, jaina made a deal that she wont fight the horde as long as the horde does not kill her people. By doing so she left her father's side at the battle in Theramore Isle so her father forces vs the horde led by thrall and the boys
Even worse for Sylvanas, revenge was denied to her. The first Lich King, Arthas, was killed by us (the players) before she arrived at Icecrown Citadel. All she saw was somebody else (Bolvar, the guy from the Shadowlands cinematic) took his place, sealed in a block of ice. That's why it felt so satisfying when she destroyed the Helm of Domination, the other item that held the power of the Lich King. A story arc of hers finally closed after almost 17 years.
I main Horde but I play both sides...and the quest after Sylvanas burns the tree was one of the few quests that show the devastation that was caused. You have to save as many as possible and you cannot save them all. I do love the Horde...but that quest was painful in the right ways.
it's a tragedy. jaina accepted her fathers death for a greater good. then, when she eventually returned home, she was even senteced with death. all she did was trying to protect her people, for the survival of azeroth. that song gives me shrugs every time...
The Tree she burned was teldrassil the world tree, its a lot further away than it looks, its gigantic, there is the night elf city of darnassus in its branches, so destroying it was also destroying the home of the elves themselves.
So the two separate scenes were two people. The daughter of the sea is Jaina proudmore which yes her father was killed by orcs bc he was an ass and she(Jaina) let it happen. The second one was Sylvanas that’s the lady that you’ve been seeing. She was defending her homeland and then killed by the Lich king and turned into a banshee (hence the screaming) and then she broke free from his grasp found her body and joined the horde with the other undead that broke free of his will (now called forsaken) so she wanted revenge on the lich king and when he was killed (the og one) she killed herself bc she was done with her mission. She saw only darkness and was tormented in death and she made a deal with valkyr who brought her back and keep her alive (anytime she dies one of the valkyr take her place) now her sole goal in a lot of peoples eyes is to stay away from that darkness and she’s pretty much hell bent to stay alive. That is seen as her motivation and that’s why this next expansion we are going into the afterlife (which she opened up for us when she broke the helmet) bc she’s made some deals with some people in there and we don’t know where the story is taking her. Again cool video guys!!!
So the cliff notes for their backstories. During the time of the Third War Jaina led members of the Alliance to a new continent for safety where they ran into the remnants of the Horde as well. When the war concluded they actually formed a peace; the first and only time there was actual peace between the two factions. Jaina's father eventually came looking for her, bringing his navy, and upon finding the Horde attacked them. Jaina tried to get him to stop but he refused to listen and when it all came to a head Jaina ultimately decided to stand aside and allow the Horde to kill her father in order to maintain peace. Fast forward, leaders change, chaos happens, and a new leader in the Horde attacks Jaina and her group as tensions mount and ultimately destroys her city, killing many. From that point up until just recently Jaina had been struggling with a lot of hatred, rage, and guilt over her past decisions, even really becoming a villain for a brief time. Sylvanas was Ranger-General of her homeland and the high elves. When the undead attacked she fought as best she could but was ultimately killed and had her soul ripped from her body and used to attack her own people, becoming who we now know as the Banshee Queen. Upon regaining her freedom she became the leader of a faction of free-willed Undead called the Forsaken and upon being rejected by the Alliance found the Horde willing to aid her and her people. What she endured greatly darkened her outlook on life, she became very callous yet despite that she did attempt to gain trust from those around her but time and again events conspired against her and led people to continue to be wary of her. Even her attempts to reconcile with family that still lived resulted in them rejecting her. All of this compounded into the Sylvanas we have now, who views the living with contempt and as she gained power is now bent on wiping out life and seemingly unifying everyone in undeath.
The tree was a capital city of night elves, there is ingame quest during this campaign, that requires player to save as many as u can, hundreds in space of minutes.. The quest u fail and pass out to be teleported away last minute As to sylvanas, she was ranger general of the blood elves, and the major defender against the lich King and army of the scourge, despite all her efforts, she has been betrayed and lich King conquered the city. It wasn't the end for sylvanas tho, because of how hard she made it for Lich King, he stole her soul and transformed her into a banshee, when he weakened she managed to escape his grasp and regain free will, along with regaining body. Her major plan was to kill arthas the lich King, in which she helped greatly, also becoming the leader of the forsaken Side note, kingdom of lordareon prince, arthas menethil, later became the LK. Jaina was his partner at the time, abandoning him when she noticed him changing. Jainas father, wanted to eradicate orcs, but jaina stood at their side, and never helped her father which indirectly led to his death. Following warchief of the horde destroyed the city she ruled, hence many things combined she seeks vengeance. Battle for azeroth takes alliance players to kul tiras, Jainas homeland, where she has to face consequences of her treason. Damn, I could be typing forever, but, watch more of the ingame cinematics, ideally from the same expansions, the story will make little bit more sense, if I may suggest Start with legion ones, then head into battle for azeroth
Jaina Proudmoore is a mage.....a human mage, she was the daughter of Leader of the Kingdom of Kul' Tiras. Jaina tried to stop her father from genociding the orcs who left the Eastern Kingdoms for Kalimdor to find peace. He pursued them and Jaina betrayed him to give peace a chance and to save the world. Sylvanas Windrunner (high elf) was a hero who became a twisted ass villain.
Yes, Teldrassil is "the tree of life". Warcraft borrows from all human legends, and incorporates them in to their world, usually in very slightly altered form. Thor, the god of lightning, is Thorim, the titan of storms. HP Lovecraft monsters like Cthulhu are instead C'Thun. Dwarfs were former golems given the "curse of flesh", like in Lord of the Rings.
I stopped playing Bliizzard games years because how corrupt they became, BUT I gotta admit they STILL make perfect cinematics to get chills from them (especially if you know lore of Warcraft and I played it since beginning before vanilla)
The first woman is Jaina Proudmoore. She murdered her own father in an attempt to prevent a war because he was hellbent on genocide and wouldn't listen to her (hence why she says, "are you listening now, father?"). Her attempt didn't work - the war happened anyway, and she was viewed as a monster by her people for killing their leader. She was cast out into exile, and she is singing the song the people of her old kingdom made about her. Sylvanas was murdered by the Lich King and turned into a banshee as punishment for giving him so much frustration in battle. The scene was you saw was just moments before Varok (the big green guy) says "There's no honor in this! They will come for us now! All of them!"
The Warcraft universe has such a rich story that it is impossible to guess the whole thing from one or two videos :D thats why its so interesting to see you guys, not knowing anything about the storyline, react to those videos :D keep up the great work, love seeing these WoW reactions :) but my advice, try going chronologically if you want to grasp what is going on
So the TL;DR version of Jaina's story is that she to try to keep peace between the horde and the kul'tirans, she let the horde kill her father who had broken some seacefire if i remember that right or thereabouts, and this haunts here later on in life as the horde changes leadership and then bombed her city, killing everyone in it and destroying to beyond repair, but still never really being re-accepted by her own people the kul'tirans.
It’s really interesting seeing a non-players take on the out of context cinematics. I’d suggest watching one of Nobbel87’s video on Sylvanas or the Lich King to get a broader understanding on the story.
The world tree burning is Teldrassil and was the home city (Darnassus) of the Night Elvs killing thousands of women & children. That was also the reason Alliance attacked Lordaeron, the city you guys saw in the Battle for Azeroth Cinematic. Saurfang tried to explain to Sylvanas that the alliance would come for them if they did something that dark.. and he was right. It was also one of the reasons he didnt want to follow her anymore, there wasnt any honor in killing innocent people like that. But as we see in the introduction of Shadowlands... she kinda just want people dead and doesnt care who dies Fun fact: Blizzard added a quest right after this Sylvanas warbringer where you try to save 1000 of people inside the city, just to realize that the point of the quest is to understand that you can't save them all. Kinda dark, but a good way to show how big impact this would have on the alliance. Warbringer Azshara is one of the absolut best warbringers (tied with Gul'dans I think) but I will warn you guys that it will be a bit confusing. It's a story told thousands of years ago and introducing stuff like old gods and the black empire, can be hard to get most of it... but it still amazing work and art done by Blizzard so.. watch it!
To get the full back story you need to go back into Warcraft 3 Lore. Sylvanas, Lich King (Arthas), Illidan, Kel'Thuzad and Jaina all start there. The story basically starts there up until that point it was basically Orcs and Humans and to get that story the actual Warcraft movie should get you most of the way there.
Next one I'd recommend is Warbringers: Azshara - she's an elven queen who, in a calamity 10000 years before the events of World of Warcraft, made a bargain with demons that went poorly and ultimately resulted in the collapse of a magical lake at the center of their empire. The collapse was so significant that it broke the continent into pieces and flooded her empire.
I think that one is way to confusing for someone not familiar with the lore to understand. It's confusing for some that ARE familiar with the lore, lol.
While Azshara's warbringer is one of the absolute best... for a non wow player, its a bit complicated to understand the whole timejump and the introduction of a Old God + The Black Empire just like that.
This is the problem when it comes to reactors who don't even play the games, people keep suggesting they react to cinematics in a nonsensical order and it just confuses them even more.
Teldrassil was a thing WAY before Avatar. Also the way the White Walkers were done in GoT is very inspired by the Scourge which was in Warcraft 3 WAY before that. :D
Essentially what happened with Jaina is that she left her homeland while her father went to war with the Orcs. He died at war and her family blames her for not being by his side because they think they could have won with her help. She's driven by regret, and desire for revenge. To prove herself. Sylvanas pretty much ever since she was turned into a Banshee by the Lich King stopped caring about life in general. Slowly over the years turning into an undead tyrant.
Just a thing you should know about that tree; it was the capital city of the night elves and was also housing hundreds of human refugees. She set them all on fire.
not the grim reaper, its the ferryman. the ancient greek figure who carried you across the river styx to the afterlife. quite often, if a sailor died on land, he was buried with a silver coin in his mouth to pay the ferryman for the crossing.
Nice reactions! I see you guys, have seen other BFA cinematics. Warbringer Sylvanas leads to Old Soldier and then comes Battle for Azeroth trailer and so on. If you wish to continue, there some parts between from Lost Honor and to Safe Haven which is good to know. Here you have seen Warbringer Jaina, then why not continue to see what she is doing. Here is list for those Turn the Tide
Just a small addition, if you want to understand the story of Jaina, I will post a link here, where you can see her story, after she raised that ship from the bottom of the sea, until her return to her homeland, Kul Tiras, the trials she went through there, the reunion with her family, and the conclusion of her story. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-mOHqTf91WTU.html
It's even better to see this series of cinematics on the side of the Alliance and The Horde. Jaina's cinematics in game is also included. Otherwise it's going to be more difficult to understand the story by only seeing Jaina's side. World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth - All Cinematics & Cutscenes in Chronological Order(AT LAUNCH) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7rHaaLm-jwA.html
Sylvanas did not kill the lich king to get revenge. The lich king who turned her into a banshee died many years ago. The reason she did it was to make a tear between "our world" and the afterlife, which is what you see in the trailer you reacted to previously. She made some kinda deal with a powerfull person from that realm during the current expansion or the previous one to overload the amount of dead people to cause chaos. That is what we will be exploring in the upcoming expansion pack coming out late 2020 where we travel to the shadowlands the realm of th dead.
Arthas, wielding Frostmourne (the runeblade he wields which was shattered in his death video can capture the souls of those it kills to fuel his power, thats why his father's soul shows up after it's shattered) laid siege to the capital of the High Elves (a sub-species of the Kaldorei which destroyed themselves and left the High Elves, Naga, and Night Elves, like the ranger she was speaking to, behind as sub-species) in an attempt to raise a powerful necromancer named Kel'Thuzad as a Lich utilizing the power of the Sunwell, a nearly endless font of arcane energy the High Elves fed off of. Arthas wasn't yet the lich king but Frostmourne whispered in his mind the voice of the actual first lich king and drove him mad before eventually bringing him to Northrend (a continent at the North Pole) to dawn the Helm of Domination and fuse with the original lich king's soul. On his way to the Sunwell he met the resistance of Sylvanas Windrunner, the Ranger General and her elite rangers. Essentially he washed over them like a flood with hordes of undead and rose Sylvanas as a Banshee by capturing her soul within Frostmourne, then releasing it as his slave, then used her to help destroy the land she was sworn to protect and drive her people to near extinction. Sometime later Illidan, a Kaldorei who was born tens of thousands of years ago and was now suffused with demonic energy to become the first demon hunter and he just so happens to be one of them ost powerful beings on the planet if not the cosmos, was ordered by the Burning Legion (a demon army that burned the entirety of the universe aside from the world where all this takes place on) who he was at the time in allegiance to in order to gain demonic power to eventually turn on them, to destroy the frozen throne, as the lich king, who was a creation of theirs to weaken the world before their arrival had rebelled. As Illidan did damage to the throne, the lich king's powers waned and undead in the south, like Sylvanas gained free will. Sylvanas then takes a roller coaster of a journey including re-animating her own body to inhabit it and be way stronger etc. in the name of revenge, hatred, you name it. Until now where she's essentially committing genocide across the world to increase her own power before destroying the Helm of Domination to open a passageway to the afterlife, called the Shadowlands, to do whatever her ultimate goal is, we don't know yet.
Pure coincidence, but you managed to talk over the two points in Jaina's song that explain part of her grief and guilt. Particularly the line "But when he faced, those savage foes... /His daughter, stood aside/" There's some complexity, but ultimately even though she had little choice due to the situation, she still blames herself - decades later -for her father's death. 'Could I have handled it differently' , etc.
Should watch more of the rendered ingame model cinematics from Legion and Battle for Azeroth for more information. Also check out Warlords of Draenor. Their cinematic, ingame cinematic and Lords of War videos are really good as well. That expansion set up Legion which paved way for Sylvanas.
Jaina is morning her fathers death because she chose stand aside for peace rather than fight along side him against the horde and starting another war. Also she was the lover of the first Lich king.(every time she thinks doing right by not spilling blood she gets burned) So she decided she isn't gonna be neutral anymore. Also the slyvanas now was made by the first Lich king (Jaina's man)
World of Warcraft stories are very entertaining (even if sometimes poorly executed across numerous mediums). They will pull you in once you start following them.
You are still watching backwards. FYI start with the Warcraft 3 cut-scenes to World of Warcraft (Classic--->Burning crusade--->Wrath of the Lich King--->Cataclysm-->Mist of Pandaria--->Warlords of Draenor--->Legion--->Battle for Azeroth). And the story won't be so confusing by going from the end to the beginning.
Jaina, the one in the 1st video, was torn by guilt for not siding with her father when he fought the horde, she fought alongside the horde some time earlier to save world but her father had decades of resentment against the horde, so she choose to respect her pact with the horde. I suggest you have a run at warcraft 3+expansion or the reforged version, if you have the time and patience is one great game and you have both these ladies "origin" stories.
Janis tried to broker peace between the horde and alliance, bit her father begged her to fight and eradicate the horde. So she knew there was to be a battle and ignore her father and people. When the war started up again Janis made up her mind to never trust the horde and join the fight. She went to her hometown to raise her father's ship and in the process make peace when she says, "father I'm listening now."
Great reaction. I can't wait for your reaction to these cinematics: Here is the cinematic of the legion expansion and those we see in game before the Battle for Azeroth expansion to better understand the story. Sylvanas, Anduin, Varian... 1. World of Warcraft: Legion Cinematic Trailer ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eYNCCu0y-Is.html 2. Legion - Alliance Broken Shore Cinematic ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HerNdsh_H-g.html 3. Legion - Horde Broken Shore Cinematic ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GE9HVy1vgws.html 4. World of Warcraft "Fate of The Horde" cinematic ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-94OhLodNmCo.html 5. World of Warcraft "A Found Memento" cinematic ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-THSowKTA61Q.html
@@acers09 When you don't know the game, it's normal to make mistakes. Even for a long-time World of Warcraft player, history can seem complicated to know everything
Imagine Hawaii, then make a tree massive enough to put it on top. An entire city and small villages lived up there. It was grown by a sect of night elf druids.
Jaina is Jaina Proudmoore, she is mourning her father who died in the RTS game Warcraft 3 because he would not relent in trying to kill the Orcs that fled to Kalmidor. She took no part in the fight, and he died. Her home, Kul Tiras, blamed her and she lived in unofficial exile for years until BFA. That ship she raises is his galleon. This is her reclaiming her birthright and, despite her fear of going home, doing it anyway. Jaina and Arthas (Lich King) were in love before he became the Lich King, so much so Arthas removed his own heart because it still felt love thanks to Jaina, and thus made him a weaker Lich King.
Sylvanas Windrunner, Ranger General of Silvermoon (Think general that commands all the archers specifically). She was killed in the defence of Silvermoon by Arthas Menethil before he was the Lich King, just a death knight. Because Sylvnas did such a good job at defending her city, Arthas raised her as a banshee and forced her to murder her own people, fully aware but unable to stop herself this was to be her torture. As Arthas fled north to Northrend to claim Ice Crown as his own, his control of the Scourge (Undead) became weaker, Sylvanas not only broke herself free of his hold but taught others how to do it too. As a result she became leader of the Forsaken (Undead, but with free will). Eventually leader of the Horde, this was the burning of Teldrasil. An alliance city on Kalimdor, which is primarily Horde owned. Her demand to burn it was impulsive, due to the challenge of the Night Elf she spoke to. She then raised many of the Night elves in the way she was raised, and it was clear their free will was maybe not intact like other Forsaken.
It's a common misconception that the Horde started the Fourth War (BFA) when Sylvnas ordered the burning of Teldrasil, but the truth is the Alliance started the war when spies, sent by Spy-Master General, Mathias Shaw started killing Goblins (some of which were Horde alligned) in Silithis to learn about Azerite (Imagine a super powerful source of energy that people would fight over). Shadowlands is toying with the idea Sylvanas is working on a greater good / larger picture and as she said int he Shadowlands trailer, will 'free us all'.
At this point I think Arthas isn't the lich king yet he's just a powerful deathknight only after resurrecting kelthuzad (after that battle you saw) he becomes the lich king. He went to silvermoon( sylvanas city) and use the sunwell power to ressurect kel
You should definitely watch the burdens of Shaohao series. It's a mini-series about a completely different character, but it's IMO the best of the best. You could watch that after the Legion cinematics.
Wesley Robinson gives an explanation of Sylvanas. Now I've never played World of Warcraft, but I played Warcraft, Warcraft 2 and Warcraft 3. As Wesley said, in Warcraft 3 Sylvanas was a ranger, a High Elf, who was trying to stop Arthas from invading her home. He killed her and brought her back as banshee, as Wesley said, but she hated this existence that he had forced on her. She did break away from him, but last I knew she was seeking a homeland for undead who were free of their bonds. I don't know how or why she moved away from this goal. I really liked Sylvanas in Warcraft 3 and I don't like what they did to her in World of Warcraft. Just my 2 cents worth.
Reacting to Azshara's going to be awesome! Showing yet another whole different part of the wow universe! i'm jealous you get to experience it for the first time
That tree was a World tree.....there was a massive city and a few towns. Its where most of the of night elves lived and most of them did not survive the fire.
Jaina's father was an Alliance admiral who was killed by the Horde in part because Jaina pursued a ceasefire with the Horde. She betrayed her father. This video is about her coming to terms with her decision, and instead trying to listen to his point of view, which is against the Horde.
Even if you don't play the game, the story is amazing all by itself, I would recommend some of Nobbels lore videos, not so much for a reaction video but just to enjoy a good story, I've played Warcraft since I was 5 years old, now I am 29 and this is by far the best story in a game that I've ever seen. I have shed more tears for the characters in this universe than I have ever for anyone or anything in real life. You could probably also find a playlist that goes through everything chronologically so you're not jumping back and forth in the story, which can make it confusing because all the characters as they are now have deep and complex stories that can be hard to follow without the previous stuff. None the less, good job and I hope you will immerse yourself in the amazing story of warcraft! :)
Came across your first few warcraft videos the other day and im slowly seeing you both learn bits of the 'lore'. You should learn a bit about the past in warcraft and watch the film they did!
so i'm a long time wow player and lore fan of the franchise. I understand you are making these reactions videos without knowing anything about the universe of Warcraft and that's awesome. if you ever want to understand it more and fill the gaps so that you can appreciate these videos so much more, let me know and I can give you some pointers. :)
The Lich King killed Sylvanas and raised her from the dead to do his bidding. The first woman was Jaina Proudmore whose Father was killed by the Orcs whom she was trying to make peace with. So she feels guilty about him dying. That's a whole another backstory. Jaina is alive and a Frost Mage in service to King Anduin Wrynn, that's the young blond king you see in the Battle for Azeroth pieces. Sylvanas has a larger story arc between dying the first time and burning Teldrassil. To be honest after she becomes undead she's always a bit of a sociopath but she's hot so people like her.
Jaina was trying to make peace with the Horde (mostly the orcs) back then. Her father, the Admiral of Kul Tiras, a powerful seafaring nation, was pretty old fashioned, and tbh racist. He didn't want to listen to his daughter. Didn't believe her that the Orcs weren't corrupted by demonic blood anymore. Therefore, to protect his daughter in his mind, he wanted to kill them all. Jaina, for the greater good, stood aside. Which ended up with her father dying. To Kul Tiras, she is a traitor. That's why they say, beware of the daughter of the sea. It's a Kul Tiran folk song, practically created against her by her own people. On a side note, she stood aside because she believed she couldn't repel the Burning Legion from invading their world. The Burning Legion is an intergalactic, and interdimensional demonic army, led by a fallen Titan. A god, so to speak. Now, Jaina, after many losses and continued war between the Horde and the Alliance, grew bitter and cold. Slowly, but surely, growing to hate the Horde. And regrets a lot. In this clip, she attempts to return to Kul Tiras, and reconnect with her people. Sylvanas...you better watch a Nobbel video about her story in private. It's probably an hour long. Worth it though, she was a beloved character for nearly twenty years. Only recently, it appears, she has chosen a dark path. What you see in the video is Sylvanas burning Teldrassil, a world tree. About 95% of the night elven population lived on that tree. Not anymore as you can see. The flashback, was Arthas, the Lich King, invading Quel'Thalas, the high elve's homeland. He did so in order to abuse their Sunwell's power to resurrect one of his minions. Kel'Thuzad. While marching toward the Sunwell he slaughtered countless, destroyed much of their land, and tainted is with the undead. At that time he killed the elven's Ranger General, Sylvanas Windrunner, and raised her to a banshee. Eventually, she shook herself free from the Lich King's control over her, and formed her own faction of the undead, called the Forsaken. Which are part of the Horde. All I'm saying next is mostly theory, so take it with a grain of salt. Azeroth, the world they live in, is basically the egg of a slumbering Titan called Azeroth (Titan of Spirit or Creation, not clear to this point). Sylvanas now serves the Jailor. A being that rivals and slowly overpowers the Arbitor. The ruler of the afterlife. The Shadowlands. That's where we are heading next. Now, good and evil is...ha ha...complicated in the WoW Universe. It almost doesn't exist. There is almost always a but. Anyway, Eonar, the Titan of Life is part of the Titan Pantheon has, much like Sylvanas, done some shifty stuff with the scales concerning life and death in the universe. Argus, the Titan of Death, doesn't belong to the Pantheon, but most likely predates them. But the Pantheon or Eonar did something to him. He is basically dead or shattered. Tormented, so much, f...just search for the Wowhead video Argus Voice Line, you can feel the pain and rage in his voice. Especially the last one. Anyhow, the Jailor, maybe is a shattered part of him. Maybe! Argus appears to let's say, not be against Azeroth. None are somehow. Therefore, if the Jailor is a part of Argus, and Sylvanas serves him, then she might still be a protector of Azeroth. And a hero of sorts. Albeit not really one that fits the mortal standard of good.
Well about Jaina and the song. The story is significantly more complex than daddy did bad and the daughter abandoned him that I have seen other say to reactors that don't have all the facts. First of all, the humans, dwarves and elves of the alliance have fought two major wars against the Orcs when they where under the influence of the demons of the Burning Legion as their faction is called. During those wars, the Orcs committed major war crimes against the humans, elves and dwarves, and none of those aforementioned people trusted that the Orcs would change their ways anytime soon. At the end of the second war, there where many voices that called for the systematic eradication of the Orc population, meaning genocide, and it was almost passed, that was how much the people of all races hated the Orcs. The one that stopped this and offered the alternative of the concentration camps was one Admiral Daelin Proudmoore, Jaina's father and Admiral of the Kul Tiran fleet and a hero of the Second War. Now, Admiral Proudmoore had plenty of reason to hate the Orcs. Not only they were responsible for many casualties to his fleet and people, they had also killed both his sons during the War. So, from this you can infer that he wasn't an unreasonable man. Though he hated them with a passion, he was the one that saved the Orcs from extinction. Fast forward to the end of Warcraft 3. Jaina grew into a beautiful woman and a powerful mage. She joined the Kirin Tor, the leading mage body of the alliance and studied under Antonidas, the leader of the Kirin Tor as his protege and possible successor. She was in love with Arthas the prince of the Kingdom of Lordaron the leader of the Alliance and there was even talks of marriage and not just from their parents but from they themselves. But Arthas fell under the influence of the Lich King and betrayed his home and killed his father. Jaina on the other hand led the survivors of the invasion of the Burning Legion across the sea to the lands of Kalimdor following the advice of a mysterious prophet. The Orcs on the other hand, free at last from the demonic influence that had plagued their people for centuries, following the advice of the same prophet, left Lordaron by stealing ship of the Alliance and went to Kalimdor too. After several important events they allied themselves with the Night Elves and Jaina's faction in Kalimdor to fight the Demonic invasion. They honor that alliance and after defeating Archimonde, the leader of the invading army, they start building their capital of Orgrimmar, while maintaining friendly relations with Jaina that had built the city state of Theramore. Admiral Proudmoore was still in Kul Tiras during these events defending it from the undead of Arthas, but was searching also for his daughter. He heard about Theramore and that his daughter was in Kalimdor, so he decided to prepare an expedition force to go to her and learn what she has being doing all this time. When he arrived at Kalimdor, he found Orcs building a forward base near Theramore. You must understand that when the Orcs left Lordaeron they didn't leave in peace. They broke out of their concentration camps, killed the guards and nearby garrison force, looted the countryside for supplies and hit a naval base in order to gain the ships they needed to travel to Kalimdor. Knowing this, and remembering the destruction these invaders had wrought during the previous two wars, and not knowing that these Orcs had an alliance with the people of Theramore, he ordered a preemptive attack on the Orcs fearing they would attack his countrymen at Theramore. That led to an escalation of hostilities. The Orcs didn't want to start a war against the Humans, but they needed to defend themselves, but Admiral Proudmoore entered Theramore and assumed control of the city with his forces, ready to hunt down the Orcs. Jaina tried to stop her father telling him that she had an alliance with Thrall and that there was no need for war, but Daelin didn't believe for a second that the Orcs could be trusted. The had, after all, betrayed them before, during the previous two wars and also when they escaped and looted the countryside and the naval base at Lordaeron. And so, ignoring his daughter's warning, he continued the war. He lost, when Jaina, fearing that the war would destroy her city and harm her people, decided to withdraw all her forces secretly and leave her father with only his own forces to face the Orcs. Thrall, the leader of the Orc faction at the time and a friend of Jaina, did try to spare the Admiral, but he, blinded by his hatred fought to the end and he was killed. So you see, he wasn't a warmongering asshole as some might present him. He simply had no trust to these people that had betrayed and harmed his people and family again and again. Hell, his stance was justified if you take into consideration that these Orcs did attack and killed the people of Lordaeron when leaving. By his account and knowledge, these people couldn't be trusted to keep their word. He even warns Jaina that they would betray her. And guess what, the events leading to this scene, are a series of betrayals of her endless efforts to bring peace to the Alliance and Horde. Hell her city of Theramore was nuked by the new leader of the Horde because it could be used as a forward base by the Alliance, let's forget that Jaina is the sole reason the Alliance and the Horde didn't go to war all these years... The destroyed city you see is all that is left of Theramore. She lost not just her people that day, but many friends and her apprentice. Here we see that she had enough and accepting that what her father said back then was right. The Horde cannot be trusted. She has lost almost everything to the Horde and she is now on the warpath. There is, of course, far more to the story, but I don't have the time to write all of it down.
Jainas father wanted to eradicate the Orcs out of fear but Jaina saw the good in some of them and wanted to live in peace, not participating in fighting them. Her father died due to his warmongering and her family deemed her a traitor. It went well at first and the Orcs helped save the worlda couple of times. Unfortunately, after a few generations the Orcs fell victim to dictatorship and that dictator destroyed Jainas home city and commited other attrocities. Now also growing hatred for the Orcs, Jaina regretted her pacifism in the past and felt guilty for her fathers death and the crimes of the Orcs. She's up for revenge.
jaina stood aside as the orks killed her farther even though they were at peace her farther ignored her please to stop fighting the orks but ignored her and he died in the end and her people villa-vied her for it which is what the song is about. also the second video is a completely different person the first video is jaina the second is silvanis
Jaina Proudmoore is first video, Sylvanas Windrunner is second one. They are different persons on opposite sides - Alliance vs Horde, Sylvanas is now ex horde...
She betrayed her father for the sake of peace. Now she regrets that, and is going to take revenge for those that murderer him. She thought letting her father perish for peace was necessary. Many years later she reflects on it, and concludes that peace was an illusion, and that she should have helped her father win.
