Reality Check: A Conversation with David Wallace-Wells (Episode  

Someday we'll lose Sam, too. Life is fleeting

​@@dj_laundry_listnot if we lose you first 😅😅

@@Sylar-451 Yup, my blood is going to make Sam immortal because he's a vampire

@@dj_laundry_list there's people out there who believe this stuff, mad world

dan dennet? that's the only horseman I didn't read

For the Sweden case, where Sweden had higher mortality before vaccines and lower mortality after vaccines, is there any explanation for this? My first assumption would be that Swedes had built up natural immunity through widespread infections. This has the profile of higher mortality early in the pandemic and lower mortality later in the pandemic.

There's no deaths caused by the response. Australia locked down everyone and had the lowest excess deaths of any country for two years.

Contrary to popular (flawed) opinion, Sweden implemented a much more conservative response to the pandemic than many other Western countries. It should go without saying that when a population takes on board recommendations to stay home, wear masks, and other sensible precautions, the level of death and disease will be reduced. Sweden is such a case, and to a significant degree, their limited success was in part cultural. That said though, even though Sweden is held up by MAGA types as proof that covid restrictions were unnecessary, they're wrong. Sweden did poorly when compared to countries that did lock down. The Swedish approach would never have worked in my country (Australia) anyway. People here are typically too individualistic, not giving a toss, hence tougher enforcement was necessary. We saw that play out when mask wearing became a recommendation instead of being mandatory... 90% stopped wearing them immediately. I still wear masks in indoor crowds because I like being well. Since I began wearing masks in crowds, my occurrences of serious respiratory illnesses and lung infections has reduced from six or more annually to only one or two.

@@toby9999 My view is the opposite. The "necessity" of mandates is contradicted by their inferior performance. They are predicated on force rather than reason, which leads to a vicious cycle of mistrust in the first case vs a higher level of trust in the second. Swedish health authorities maintained trust by acting right - other authorities lost trust by acting poorly. I see it as a general win for enlightenment liberalism and a loss for more authoritarian philosophies.

The Sweden argument is massively oversold. In Sweden it was almost entirely contained within one region - the wider Stockholm area. Economic activity fell by a quarter in Sweden. The wider ecomony contracting by 9% - much worse than its “Locked Down” neighbours. Travel into and out of the Stockholm region well by 90%. There was a 70% drop in people of the streets generally. Sweden was about average for excess deaths during the pandemic. The Economist and other organisations were tracking global excess death numbers throughout the pandemic. Eastern European countries - countries which had the ability to be reasonably analytical, but didn't enforce strong country-wide lockdowns, and have the economic capacity to support workers, had the worst excess deaths in global comparisons. See Russia, Bulgaria etc. The countries who locked down quickly, faired best - for excess death and the economy.

Same ✌️

But atheism has no RIP.

eww Kermit the Fraud? Fuck that guy

You smell like a robot

How can you be sure his knowledge is factual? Because he writes for NYT? Because you like his politics? Curious if you have heard arguments that challenge his…?

@@cryptocred5754 Fair enough, perhaps not salient. Nevertheless, Green [Washed] Capitalism was never brought up, and it's basically Neo-Capitalism or Neo-Politics. Not exactly salient ether and predominantly leading sustainable development internationally.

​@user-zt6uu5tw9j are you real or a bot?

@@cryptocred5754 Well, the A.G. of California is currently pursuing litigation against Exxon Mobile for its role in Greenwashing campaigns over the years. So there is that.

When I heard the news, I thought the same thing-"Thank goodness."

In all seriousness, “thank goodness?” What are you suggesting we thank? Was Dawkins incorrect in his assertion that there is no such thing as “goodness ?“ "In a universe of blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference." - Richard Dawkins

100% agree. Maybe where he was at the time provided him with a lot of choices to make independently. Some of us were really constricted by our government locally and had to endure that.

Yes. His recollection of what actually happened seems to differ from my own. I literally have photographs of the main motorways - empty. Shopping centres - empty. Playgrounds - closed off with hazard tape. Police parked at the entrance to our village, checking anyone coming in or out. My daughter shares custody of our grandkids. She didn't see her pre-teen kids for a full month as they weren't in her bubble. For months on end, my wife and I used to go to the supermarket once a week. This was our opportunity to legally get out of the house. When we got there, I used to go for a jog, as only one of us was allowed in. Masked. There was nothing voluntary about this at all. These things actually happened.

Now we know from the science that it was a huge overreaction to the virus.

Of course not, he's to rich to notice that.

@@miked2075 However, if it is that is the context one is taking. Governance at a level no higher than the municipality is actually more functionally interdependent than at any other level of government. That said, it's biopolitical...

But, in all seriousness, what is meant by RIP on atheism. Would an atheist want us to wish them ROP after they have died?

@@samdg1234 uh... Yes? R.i.p. is a colloquial expression of sorrow at the death of a person or pet. Not everything has to maintain it's religious context. Dennett himself said that he celebrates Christmas and sings religious Christmas carols and he loves it

Shouldn't have happened before either but oh well

however, guest is not wrong, that did not happen nearly as often as people think they remember it

​@emerraldx Dealing with memories is difficult. I'm personally vaccinated but I do remember how awful everyone was to the anti-vaxxers or even vaccine skeptics. There should be some accountability for it rather than pretending it wasnt that bad. It became a real us vs them climate and it was absolutely hostile towards people questioning the legitimacy of vaccines. The idea it wasnt that bad is just patently false. We had passports for it, icon's, badges, Job and travel restrictions, even dating apps had a vaccine status. And anyone that questioned the vaccines or floated the lab leak hypothesis got lumped in a derogatory label that did make them second class citizens. It really was that bad. I remember being horrified by the ethics of it and how everyone acted. Not a single person listened to the concerns of the skeptics, they were simply labelled and dismissed and becuase of that dismissal and hostility there is an alarmingly large community of vaccine skeptics.

I thought all that ended years ago. I guess some people cannot let go. Move on you'll feel much better

You can not use only transmissibility as your measure to determine if mandates were fair. Obciously the vaccine reduced the changes you are going to get infected and it reduced the seriousness if you get it. Therefore it is obviously more safe for people that took the vaccine than those that did not to gather. Now it can still be contested if it was fair or needed but with these things I certainly can understand that you would like to try play it safe. Also we have vaccine mandates for other ones as well. Luckily usually with these it works when enough people are vaccinated so we do not have limit those that are not. Were this not the case we would have to weight it differently as it was with covid.

Did you expect different of Sam? Why?

The pandemic wasn't the [direct] issue of the macrocosm like the masses prefer to identify it as. It is a direct proponent of an imbalance associated with the microcosm. And just because [the field of] Virology is taking preventive measures to guard against future Pandemics doesn't mean society isn't continuing to exacerbate an imbalance associated with the microcosm, such as introducing genetically modified mosquitos in malarian-infested areas to rapidly breed out [female] vector-born carriers.

Yes what about the fear that was felt without necessity?

pretty sure we've been feeling it since 2020 but all you super human producers in your ivory towers haven't noticed yet.

@@ConnorMedia the impacts of all the QE? Unfortunately that's just the beginning...

​@@bhriscannan2080What will be the consequences?

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He tells you say the beginning of every episode that you can get a scholarship.

Same as any other self-admitted far left liberal. You won't get them to think critically, don't bother trying

Neoliberal, neoconservative doesn’t matter anymore because they have morphed into the same party of war and hegemony. They see the future and they are scared.

School closures don't upend life when the Pandemic is the cause of upending life already. Second, living one day for truth is better than a lifetime without it. 'Politics isn't where life happens...' Everything, then, is Biopolitical.

Not to mention the gene therapy ( mRNA vaccination) mandated & now statistically demonstrating it's profound negative impact on our wellbeing

​@@user-zt6uu5tw9jstaying home for 2 weeks after a positive covid test is not upending life. Permanently losing income because the only possible place your school age child can be is in your primary residence is exponentially more upending. And that's before taking into account the impact of robbing them developmentally of education and interactions. We definitely should have done a better job with kids.

The message should be, Save humanity. It should not be save our planet.

These restrictions also destroyed many small businesses throughout the US.

@@christopherru100 it’s absolute nonsense and we see this type of downplaying mostly coming from folks who don’t want to take any responsibility for the destruction they caused so they try to gaslight us all into thinking “it wasn’t that bad”. Tens of thousands of people were fired or disciplined by their employers for refusing the shot, families were divided. Cities imposed nonsensical restrictions and demanded databases for folks who were or were not compliant. Not to mention that none of this would have been so bad if the government was just honest and upfront about the reality that they weren’t sure about actual effects. People would have respected the government taking an approach like Japan or the Scandinavians took. Instead they lied and threatened us about the severity of the virus as well as the vaccine and now they’re shocked about the general public having little to no faith or trust in gov institutes

​@@christopherru100yup. Further consolidated the wealth disparity to the upteenth degree.

​@@ilirsvenfrancous9011 that's right. Almost everyone I know was either mandated to take the vaccine or at least heavily incentivized. Whichever of those two cases it may have been was arbitrary because the salient effect of each was the same: money. Almost all of the people making arguments for these leftist ideas are too rich to know how the world actually works for the best majority of us. They're checked out; they've lost the plot.

Hear, Hear!!

No one disagrees with this; Neither does Sam. However if nightlife had continued on as usual, it would have caused so many unneeded deaths. This holds up as still true to this day. Its a shitty thing that happened. We just have to move on and we will recover.

@@WigganNuG I think the reference was to the "it wasn't as bad as we remember" bit. The guy is a journalist, actually smutty opinion columns got more eyes than usual during the pandemic because people were stuck at home and all entertainment outside the house was shut down, so I am sure he coped.

how full of yourself do you have to be to put this out as a podcast on podstanistan.

@@WigganNuG totally. I’ll just reiterate and maybe clarify a bit on my position- I was for the lockdowns. It was necessary and I was opposed to people gathering in that period for events and social functions. I’m also fortunate that I don’t live paycheck to paycheck in addition to being part of the laptop workforce that can work from anywhere and the lockdown didn’t interrupt my income streams. I’m super lucky and grateful for that. Like the other commenter said I was just pushing back on the guests own biased and one dimensional remembering of how bad it was. When I think back from my own bias yeah it wasn’t the bad… but outside my perspective I just know a lot of people that were really financially devastated by this, really struggled to make ends meet- losing jobs. Just for anyone who was near the edge they were pushed off the cliff… so yeah, I’m just saying your perspective and station in life really effects how you went through the crisis.

Sam won't lie so bending the truth will do just fine and won't hurt his Ego.

No one said beaches and schools were not closed; he said it in THIS podcast. Did you pay attention or just not listen? Neither option is making you look to good buddy lmao!!!

@@WigganNuG his synopsis about how we were given suggestions but ultimately had the freedom to make our minds is not in line with reality. In many places in the country we were straddled with strict mandates. It’s not for me to decide whether or not the mandates were necessary. I don’t have the expertise or education. But the mandates were there.

@@miked2075 It is for you to decide whether sweeping governmental overreach is necessary. That is your duty as a citizen in a democracy. Don't outsource your basic rights and responsibilities to the elite expert class prone to as much corruption and miscalculation as anyone. Sam is completely blind to this and it's sad so many people follow his lead.

@@ricksflicks- unfortunately it wasn’t for me to decide to keep my kids out of school for a year. I wish I had some input in that decision making process. I commented because my mind was blown that Sam’s guest thinks I had all this freedom of choice. I didn’t.

I respectfully disagree on several points. There is definitely a gray area of risk to reward which can be discussed with any therapy, but there are many instances of clear transgressing the line or complete lack of rigor in calculation regarding Covid. For example - people who had recently recovered from Covid were told to get vaccinated (it produces “super immunity”) while data showed inoculation directly after recovery had a much increased adverse reaction rate while increased immune response was minor - want to say less than 5% increase from simply natural immunity. There was no possible way for informed consent, particularly regarding myocarditis, which data (not obscure data - Oxford university largest study on the subject) shows myocarditis rates were 10x more likely from Moderna vs natural infection for men under 40. Several studies showed heart damage rates from inoculation over 2% of people who took it. A child study showed there were more hospitalizations from vaccine reactions vs Covid. I can find links if you’re interested. Its not so say vaccines shouldn’t have been available, but that the push to vaccinate everybody did hurt many people, and by the time this information was known, it was shielded from discussion instead of debated so as to keep a narrative of “safe and effective” (regarding safe - the comparison to other vaccines adverse reaction rate is astronomical - 1 in 800 - multiple times higher than other vaccines which had been pulled due to safety risk). Not to mention the complete lack of discussion on diet, exercise and vitamin D showing benefit to Covid response. If it was about giving people good options, and you have a very reasonable concern of having the best options available, these would have been promoted early on.

@@patrickhassing120 Thank you for your comment. Vaccine development typically takes a long time - often 5 to 10 years. Extensive research goes into ensuring safety and effectiveness. In the case of COVID-19, however, the urgency of the pandemic demanded a faster approach. The virus was new and largely unstudied, leaving scientists with limited data. This meant the usual thorough safety studies, while conducted, weren't as comprehensive as what's typically done. While the ideal scenario would have been a longer development timeline, the situation simply didn't allow for that luxury. It was a rapid judgment call based on the best available information at the time. Majority of the scientists or doctors do not want to cause harm. Given the unprecedented situation, they made the best choices possible with the knowledge they had. This is similar to the initial confusion around masks. In a perfect world, extensive studies would provide definitive answers before recommendations are made. But sometimes, "better safe than sorry" is the most responsible approach, and masks were such a case. The COVID-19 vaccines weren't perfect, but they were the best option available to curb the pandemic's devastating effects. While some may experience side effects, studies overwhelmingly show the benefits far outweigh the risks. Countless lives have been saved thanks to these vaccines. You mentioned reading about potential negative side effects. It's important to have open communication about these issues. While such studies exist, the number of people affected is negligible compared to the millions whose lives the vaccines protected. I did read papers from journals of varying tiers that talked about the covid vaccines being effective and saving lives. Vaccines have a long and proven track record of saving lives. It's true that some may experience side effects (VARIABLES), but these are weighed against the overwhelming benefits. Wanna reiterate that in the case of COVID-19, the limited time frame necessitated a measured approach based on the best available knowledge at that time. While future research may uncover more about the long-term effects, the immediate need was to combat a deadly virus. While diet, exercise, and Vitamin D have beneficial effects, they are not a cure-all or panacea and don't provide the immediate protection against a specific infection that a vaccine offers.

Isnt it nice people on youtube comments can disagree respectfully? Regarding the testing time - this was a clear reason for the high counts of adverse effects. While I agree this situation allotted for a quick rollout, what was uncalled for was the pressure put on people to take the vaccine. All federal workers. Many office jobs. Austria made it federally mandated. Most countries had rules making it all but illegal. Many cities made it such you couldn’t enter into restaurants or buildings. The issue isn’t if somebody wants to take the vaccine - it was the overt pressure on people to take a vaccine which had known side effects. Regarding “to the best of our knowledge”, Pfizer data released show they knew and withheld information on heart damage from early on. They actually had a girl in testing who had such a bad reaction she was put into a wheelchair for months. Her reaction wasn’t included in the study, but instead her involvement completely removed and this didn’t come to light until much later. The public was consciously not given information out of fear of vaccine hesitancy - this was never done to the best of our knowledge. I can provide references. Regarding the negligible adverse reaction count of injuries due to vaccines I have to differ here. Again I can share studies on the subject. Did you know death rates were elevated some 15% in many western countries through 2022 and 2023? This is after the Covid death surges. It has been shown these additional deaths came from a rise in heart disease and alarming increases were found in healthy young adults. There is also information showing correlation between this increase and the rate of vaccination within countries (would be near impossible to do causation studies so correlation is all we have). On a personal note one of my best friends was hospitalized for myocarditis post vaccine - he was 30 and in good shape. He couldn’t get life insurance after due to this. He still feels the impact in certain activities. The impact on health and death count is and will remain unknown due to a lack of study. And final point - while I agree vitamin D and diet would not have stopped the pandemic, if your argument is to use the best knowledge available, why did the CDC, the Trump administration, Biden administration, NIH, or any authority spokesperson never make mention of their help? There were times it was suppressed!! That could have saved many lives and we knew this early on, but I didn’t hear it once! I agree a panacea of solutions should be offered - so why were these not mentioned? This is why so many people, myself included, lost complete trust in our governing bodies.

@@patrickhassing120 Would you mind sharing some of the studies you are talking about? I would really like to read them. I have found trying to find Covid related data, aside from what seem to be a few studies based very similiar/same data sets, to be somewhat of a quagmire.

and by obscure you mean utterly proven and blatatnly obvious or its just nothing out of the ordinary for western countries to have random, never before seen 5-15% spikes in deaths after 2021... even after virtually 0% spike in 2020...

That sounded impossible to believe. This guy is concerned about misinformation but he’s a fucking peddler of misinformation

​@@miked2075100%

@@miked2075 He's really just a moron.

@@miked2075 I have detailed knowledge on two or three of the various assertions made. David is either flat out making stuff up on those specific assertions or he is deluded. I went on to view most of his other (unchallenged…) assertions through a ‘Gell-Mann amnesia’ lens. How many were actually correct, I don’t know. (Why the wonder why that there is so much mis-trust and cynicism).

I think you misunderstood him. Your claim seems to be about the final tally. If you listen to it he clearly says 10 times worse in the year of 2020, then it evens out throughout the rest of the pandemic. This seems to be correct as far as I can see, e.g. “477 COVID-19 deaths (Norway) and 9737 (Sweden) in 2020” (Zahl et al., 2024). That works out to be approx. 8.6 (Norway) vs 94.9 (Sweden) deaths per 100,000. By these numbers, that would mean more than 11 times as many died in Sweden as compared to Norway in 2020, meaning that he might’ve actually been conservative in this claim.

I’ve never seen a man be so vivid on his stance on current events. People then misrepresent what he says and tell him what he thinks. Thats not debating, that’s just tactics. I wouldn’t do it either.

Why debate the fringe? They already lost. They are the only ones left who even care about covid

I do agree... I absolutely adore Sam. I agree with almost everything he says but he does seem to have a blindspot around the vaccine. I feel I have vaccine complications but, in honesty, I may not have recognized this fact if it had not happened to me personally. That said, there is SO much wrong with the handling of the pandemic that SO wish Sam would take it on and explore the negative side.

I can tell by your comment that you haven't done a youtube search for "covid debunk" and listen to actual science experts sharing their thoughts on the issue. Your dark web psuedo information is cliche at this point. You probably expect a refutation in a RU-vid comment section.

@@Cheesesteakfreak You tell me, what is the covid infection fatality rate? Every meta study you'll find shows it's highly stratified by age, with the total overall IFR of under .3%.

​@@ChadAdrian-gs2yw Those studies are dark web and a meme...

@@DUDEBroHeyAny study you can find shows less than .3%! Here’s one from Fauci’s own NIH www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9613797/ That’s the sound of your ego shattering. Btw. I’m vaccinated, they work, but not as promised.

@@DUDEBroHeydark web? Name one single study showing an IFR over .3%. You can’t. He pulled 1% straight from hus march 2020 rear end.

That all depends on where 'the other side' is getting their information, it is not an equal playing field across the board. If their sources regularly, flagrantly enable or distribute misinformation/disinformation then you are better off without it clouding your reason.

Thank you. I wouldn't have had the patience to lay all of that out, but I'm glad someone did.

@@archstanton3430 haha. I almost kept going

Preach

I listen to Joe Rogan, but I would never make medical decisions based on his comments. Why do people assume that just because you listen to someone they're automatically going to influence you? I wouldn't jump off a cliff just because someone told me to do so.

Well said. I agree

I am confused, is your point that most people don't think what he said, or that people who think what he described are correct, your comment seems to morph from the beginning compared to the end.

@@paulrussell1207 For example, the idea of a lab leak was described as some sort of far right conspiracy theory. Or, right at the beginning, when Pelosi et al were going out hugging Chinese people to prove how antiracist they were.

Thousands? Ok and how many vaccines were given out?

​@@rdgpromotions6087Your lack of sympathy and gaslighting is disgusting. If you had the ability you would be ashamed.

@@rdgpromotions6087 hey when your family members are promised safety and health and are then handed loss of prosperity and possible death instead, don’t forget to smile bud.

I'm sorry you had such a severe reaction. Unfortunately, there are risks with any medical procedure. Thousands of people who were vaccinated for smallpox back in the 18th Century died from the vaccine. But by wiping out the disease untold millions were saved. When you or someone you know has a bad experience with a medical procedure, it's only natural to think bad experiences are more widespread than the actual data shows. For example, passenger plane travel is extremely safe, but try telling that to someone who had a loved one die in a crash.

@@keiththompson713 I was told by the people who made the vaccine and the news media that it was completely safe with no risk of harm… so no, the narrative of this being a “medical procedure with risks” was not applicable at that time. I was not going in for foot surgery; I was getting a vaccine shot. Not to mention not a single doctor at that time knew about myocarditis related to the vaccine or even believed the vaccine could cause vascular related symptoms.

You’re a saint

Covid is not a blindspot for Sam. Sam is a liar.

He is a dark-aggrandizing train wreck.

👏

Sam does come across as a gullible ignoramus. He is not a gullible ignoramus. What does that tell you?

@@user-gy1pu3gq3d Are you suggesting that he has a political agenda, or that I'm an ignoramus?

@@jaysonnolastname1260 I think your description was correct. Sam comes across as a gullible ignoramus. My addition to your point is that he is not a gullible ignoramus. My claim is that he is driven by something other than the truth, but what that is that drives him is a mystery to me.

@@user-gy1pu3gq3d Basically, establishment thinking. Harris will never understand Covid or the risks of the mRNA vaccines that were rushed and then shockingly mandated.

I like this idea and would eagerly listen. Maybe a different group, but would love this.

We could call them The Four Horsemen Who Seem To Not Be Bothered By 30,000 Civilians Being Killed In A One-sided Slaughter.

@@mrdavemoApart from that’s not true. It would be like saying.... We could call anti Israel protesters. Groups that don’t care about militant t@rrorists committing acts of such evil and barbarity they could have come from hell, they don’t care they would commit genocide against Israel at the drop of hat. That think Israel should just let itself be destroyed. Your argument is silly.

@@mrdavemoDon’t be silly.

"Seem to not be bothered"​@@mrdavemo

You understand that it is Public Health’s job to engineer the safety of the whole above the individual and that the logistics of doing their work can get kind of gnarley but is as intended. The point about the US experiencing the pandemic as a libertarian instead of as a collective cohesive society hits home hard.

Your comments about health policies... not really.

@@emerraldx I was told by relatives and friends that I was being irresponsible for not getting the \/@c*in*. My response was “The Public Officials are claiming the \/@c*in* works, and yet they are simultaneously telling you that I am a threat to you. Do you see how that doesn’t make any logical sense?” At work, I was forced to wear a mask for a year longer than my colleagues simply because I wasn’t v@c*i*@ted. I already contracted “the Cerveza sickness”, which means my body built the same antibodies as the people who were \/ax*d, and yet I was still told I had to wear a mask. Does that make any sense to you? The part that people don’t understand, is that good people were treated like criminals, simply for not participating in a completely novel treatment. Most \/@c*in*s work by introducing a weakened form of the v*r*s into the body to stimulate an immune response. The “Cerveza Sickness \/@c*in*” was an mRNA \/@c*in*, meaning it works by delivering genetic instructions to the cells in the body; instructing them to produce a protein that triggers an immune response. While mRNA technology has been studied for years, the Cerveza Sickness \/@c*in* was the first mRNA \/@c*in*s to be authorized for widespread use in humans, and yet people were outright maligned for mere skepticism.

@@emerraldx I was told by relatives and friends that I was being irresponsible for not getting the \/@c*in*. My response was “The Public Officials are claiming the \/@c*in* works, and yet they are simultaneously telling you that I am a threat to you. Do you see how that doesn’t make any logical sense? At work, I was forced to wear a mask for a year longer than my colleagues simply because I wasn’t v@c*i*@ted. I already contracted “the Cerveza sickness”, which means my body built the same antibodies as the people who were \/ax*d, and yet I was still told I had to wear a mask. Does that make any sense to you? The part that people don’t understand, is that good people were treated like criminals, simply for not participating in a completely novel treatment. Most \/@c*in*s work by introducing a weakened form of the v*r*s into the body to stimulate an immune response. The “Cerveza Sickness \/@c*in*” was an mRNA \/@c*in*, meaning it works by delivering genetic instructions to the cells in the body; instructing them to produce a protein that triggers an immune response. While mRNA technology has been studied for years, the Cerveza Sickness \/@c*in* was the first mRNA \/@c*in*s to be authorized for widespread use in humans, and yet people were outright maligned for mere skepticism.

@@toby9999 What does that even mean?

I thought the same thing. It was on the brink of parody! Wallace-Wells was just employing some absolutely textbook projection, gas-lighting, rationalization, and self-deception. This is how those who pushed hysteria and tyranny are going to try slowly weaselling their way out of reality and accountability that comes with it!

Thanks for saving me an hour out of my life ;) Still no acknowledgment in the popular sphere of what was done to us on a global scale

I thought the same. He was basically like its all in your head that government restrictions were bad and you're misremembering what actually happened. Very arrogant and condescending overall.

The "totally bewildering inversion of reality, believed with religious zeal" that Harris mentions in this conversation seems to have flourished in this sub-thread right here.

Sam is a World Champion Pseudo intellectual. Sammy The Pseudo Harris.

@@CP-nl2zb Nope.