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RECRAFT & REVIEW | RED WING IRON RANGER 

Wyatt & Dad Cobbler Company
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@mightymikethebear
@mightymikethebear Год назад
I laughed at the prospect of having almost new $350 boots recrafted. Both pair of boots look really good.
@robertnicks1332
@robertnicks1332 11 месяцев назад
Thats the only way I could own a pair of iron rangers.
@MattBell73
@MattBell73 6 месяцев назад
The charcoal has to be my dream boot. Bloody fantastic to see a 360 welt on a ranger. The heel on the copper is a genius thought, looks amazing. You guys are truly talented cobblers. Keep up the amazing work chaps 🙏
@BestPaulever
@BestPaulever Год назад
I think we all can say that logger style recraft is objectively beautiful. This really makes me want to get a new pair of RWs and then make them exactly the same as those. Simply incredible!
@InGrindWeCrust2010
@InGrindWeCrust2010 Год назад
I did just that and I hate to say it, but for the cost, I should have just bought a pair of White's or Nick's. Oh well, happy to send these guys some business.
@LKS-1976
@LKS-1976 2 года назад
I'm an amateur leather worker. Addicted to watching Trenton and Heath, now, I find this page. Love your content. Those amber red wings, holy cow!
@kit2770
@kit2770 2 года назад
Dang, that logger heel looks fantastic on the IR. And Tony, give the boots a shine before filming, man. 😉 put 'em in the makeup chair before their close-up. 🎬 📽 Love the channel, fellas. 👍
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany 2 года назад
Lol. I didn’t want my boots to shine. I like ‘em dull. 😁 Tony
@kit2770
@kit2770 2 года назад
@@WyattDadCobblerCompany 👍 🤙
@Vultain
@Vultain 2 года назад
@@WyattDadCobblerCompany When it comes to an oil tanned boot especially I have to agree with you 👍🏻 I like the dull and patina’d look myself.
@Agate87
@Agate87 2 года назад
I kinda like the two tone vintage patina vibe that the boots already have. Shining it will not look the same.
@mikeb.711
@mikeb.711 8 месяцев назад
The craftsmanship in both pairs.. outstanding.
@tacticalfireman9673
@tacticalfireman9673 Год назад
Tony ain’t fooling anyone, he’s adding some height!! 😂😂
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany Год назад
🤣🤣🤣
@nickl8247
@nickl8247 Год назад
Wow, never thought I would watch a video about changing soles on boots but what fantastic craftsmanship by these two guys.
@jasonmiller9495
@jasonmiller9495 2 года назад
Dang I want that logger heel done to my Iron Rangers. I’m gonna have to get a hold of one of these guys
@NijeBitno72
@NijeBitno72 Год назад
While Tony's version has a cooler color scheme, gotta hand it to Tobias on this one, those IRs with that logger heel look so slick!
@a.l.newsome7395
@a.l.newsome7395 2 года назад
Great work on both pair🏆🏆 The versatility to craft and make the Iron Ranger the boots 🥾 they could be. Oh adding to extra support on both but differently adds the bonus. Makes me to buy 2 pair and have them done the same one for the day and one that’s can be used for going out. Great job guys 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
@Jake-Riprock
@Jake-Riprock Год назад
Wow!! Normally I don’t go for the scooped Cuban / Logger heel, but that looks absolutely amazing! Fantastic job by both Cobblers. Thanks for the video fellas!
@bquick80
@bquick80 Год назад
What’s Forrest Griffin doing hosting this show? lol! Awesome content, new sub here as well!
@googlename7019
@googlename7019 2 года назад
Well done fellas! For the 100’s of thousands of videos I’ve watched, under 20 have been saved lol. This one I’m coming back to when my boots are ready for sure.
@thanatoast4389
@thanatoast4389 2 года назад
"Cobbler Tobias was never my friend" - Dana White
@thanatoast4389
@thanatoast4389 2 года назад
Cheese and rice! Beautiful video, beautiful work. This is exactly what I was hoping for. Man, so stoked to rock them and make horrible life decisions! Rule #24 If you're going to be dumb, look cool. Thanks so much guys. Tony, I guess your boots look cool too. Awesome guys, thanks.
@thanatoast4389
@thanatoast4389 2 года назад
Toby "taped fingers" Tobias
@jimcollins9999
@jimcollins9999 Год назад
You guys do awesome work & your videos are well done! Semper Fi, from a fellow Marine!
@seth_5394
@seth_5394 2 года назад
The nail tray mounted under the work bench is fuckin brilliant!
@bradleythomas5445
@bradleythomas5445 2 года назад
Tony and his team did a re-craft of my brand new Wolverine 1000 Mile boots. New split welts, steel shanks, thick leather mid sole, full corded outsole, Mr. Sole heel block, and leather patches to cover speed hooks that were cutting the tongue. The team did a fantastic job. Thanks to everyone at Wyatt and Dad!
@InGrindWeCrust2010
@InGrindWeCrust2010 Год назад
How much did that run you, if I can ask?
@bradleythomas5445
@bradleythomas5445 Год назад
@@InGrindWeCrust2010 I purchased “The Corded” package. There are numerous packages available to choose from. Prices for each package are listed on the Wyatt and Dad website. I also had a 25-year-old pair of Allen Edmond’s dress shoes re-crafted by Wyatt and Dad. Tony called me before each re-craft and we bounced ideas off of each other. Tony, Tobias, and the other cobblers at Wyatt and Dad are awesome.
@InGrindWeCrust2010
@InGrindWeCrust2010 Год назад
@@bradleythomas5445 Cool, I can't wait!
@Vultain
@Vultain 2 года назад
Awesome job guys and it looks a bit like the dogger heel meets the logger! I like both jobs for practicality the double sole is nice but the 8111 definitely ended up catching my eye! What I would do to get a Blacksmith 3340 in briar and have that done. I have been personally waiting for them to build some new ones for nearly two years. Maybe eventually? A question for you though, I have the Munson Ranger 8011 in that Ash Settler polishable leather. Is there anything unique you may want to do with that Red Wing if I sent it in? I know it isn’t something you guys probably see everyday.
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany 2 года назад
Oh man, those are some cool boots! I’m sure we can come up with something interesting for them when you are ready to get them done. Thanks Tony Wyatt
@CC-hl5zj
@CC-hl5zj 2 года назад
Outstanding craftsmanship!!!!
@edwardmejia168
@edwardmejia168 2 года назад
Phenomenal job on both I want a pair each . Searching for sum Rangers to get customized...
@gatriemacleinn1976
@gatriemacleinn1976 2 года назад
Great...now i have to buy a pair of iron rangers just so they can get the logger treatment
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany 2 года назад
🤣
@dontorres2055
@dontorres2055 Год назад
I worked with Tony recrafting my redwing 8126’s which are a wing tip Iron Ranger and my 8111s. The work he and Tobias did was beyond perfect. The new welts double mid sole on one with a cord bottom and a Dr sole half sole on the other are beyond description. Both pairs of boots are both better than new these guys are the real deal true craftsmanship at its best. Thank you Wyatt and Dad aka Tony
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany Год назад
Thanks Don! We enjoyed creating two different one of a kind pairs for you!
@mikekearsley2407
@mikekearsley2407 2 года назад
Fantastic vid!! what would the price of these recrafted boots? Thanks from Seattle.
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany 2 года назад
The 427 full sole job was $300. The logger job was $330 with JR leather. It is $300 with house leather
@alainorozco8032
@alainorozco8032 Год назад
Man, I’ve got a Red Wing 4313 spirit lake and a 2944 harvester that might want the logger treatment. Those came out great!
@samlind8676
@samlind8676 2 года назад
Can't wait to send my IR's in..
@harunomiya
@harunomiya 2 года назад
An exellent video.
@eleven.eastgate.twelve967
@eleven.eastgate.twelve967 2 года назад
NICEness! 💚💛❤👊
@99problemstoysaint1
@99problemstoysaint1 Год назад
These guys are the best of the best!! Wonderful content & awesome dudes. 👍🏻👍🏻
@cjanquart
@cjanquart Год назад
Well, if I ever get a pair of Iron Rangers and they need resoled, that logger heel will be part of the order. Very impressive work!
@IveJustSeenAFace23
@IveJustSeenAFace23 2 года назад
Great projects and results. And these videos you’re producing are great!
@parkerjonesjr
@parkerjonesjr Год назад
Are the Dad's personal boots the 8086?
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany Год назад
Yes, they are
@NickHoward-lq5uv
@NickHoward-lq5uv Месяц назад
I’m literally buying my first pair of Iron Rangers Monday I don’t even have them yet and I already want to customize them
@ABCDEFR
@ABCDEFR Год назад
Hey so first of all the production quality in general for a smaller channel is unreal, but if I could offer one small suggestion: While you're going over each pair during the review section, it might be beneficial to cut in some B-roll of just the boots, stuff similar to 24:35 onward, with maybe a focus on each area as it's being discussed (ie, while talking about the storm welt, add in some B-roll showcasing the storm welt in closer detail). Like I said, clearly a ton of effort has gone into producing those videos already, this is just something I feel would help people both learn and appreciate the various aspects as you're going over them.
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany Год назад
Thanks for the input! In other videos, we actually talk about the different welts and things that we know customers aren’t familiar with. Sometimes we get so focused on doing a good job that we forget to cover basics. Our newer videos are more focused on training than entertainment. We are trying to find a good balance. It’s been a learning curve for sure for these no technology cobblers. 😬
@hakanuzumcu4754
@hakanuzumcu4754 Год назад
What's the end difference when using cork paste vs premade cork for the midsole?
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany Год назад
Cork paste is great for new shoes. Used shoes have pressure points. Using paste on used only fills in the gaps. So it will be thin in the pressure point areas. Premade is consistent in thickness everywhere
@hakanuzumcu4754
@hakanuzumcu4754 Год назад
@@WyattDadCobblerCompany thank you for the detailed answer!
@c5back9
@c5back9 Год назад
Man that Amber Harness upgrade is really nice looking!!
@randallfraley2810
@randallfraley2810 2 года назад
How much weight does this add to the boots?
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany 2 года назад
On the 8086’s it added 7.5oz. The other package would be less of a difference. But, the customer has those now, so I couldn’t compare.
@sisleymichael
@sisleymichael Год назад
I think I agree with Tony on the thick midsole for stability. Both pairs are super jobs! I have new boots so I will wear them a while before they need to go to the shop. Outstanding work!
@torreselantillano
@torreselantillano 2 года назад
Actually brought my shoes into the durham shop and Tobias worked, what could only be described as a miracle, on some shoddy Clarks. Happy to see you guys elevating the youtube cobbler game.
@DaddyyCrab
@DaddyyCrab 8 месяцев назад
Hopefully boot companies are paying attention. Some boots do need more options. Ty!
@exodusvelo
@exodusvelo 2 года назад
Bring back Johan Cruyff better. good work though, good work.
@nomadhawg
@nomadhawg 2 года назад
Very nice! I didn’t see the beefing up the shank option on the website though. Good thing you guys call before you recraft because I want to mix these together when I send my boots in 😂
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany 2 года назад
Thanks! Yeah, the website is designed for the basics. If you don’t see what you want, you can ship them in so we can customize everything for you, then we send you an invoice. We like to mix things up.
@hdflame
@hdflame 2 года назад
@@WyattDadCobblerCompany I just stumbled across this video. Boy, was I excited to hear you're in NC! I'm in Sanford, so not far from Durham. When I'm ready I'll be bringing mine in to discuss the options. Can't wait till I wear mine out! Nice job on both pair. I think I might combine options from both. Just subbed and rang the bell.
@jca66
@jca66 2 года назад
They are both awesome upgrades. I would have liked to see a leather midsole and shank though.
@chesterfield7770
@chesterfield7770 Год назад
Nice work but for this price you can buy a pair of Urban logger from Nicks boots . . .
@bungholio390
@bungholio390 2 года назад
I love this content! Looking forward to using your services in the future for my small stable of red wing boots!
@vanwelty8704
@vanwelty8704 8 месяцев назад
If I ever get my ir broke in 4 and 1/2 yrs. I'm getting white wedge put on.
@andrewvanzetta9036
@andrewvanzetta9036 2 года назад
What material did Tobias sow into the welt (under the shank)? And what are it’s advantages? Awesome jobs as always guys 👍🏻👍🏻
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany 2 года назад
It’s actually the fabric covering that comes over the shank from the factory on Alden’s. It helps prevent squeaking from steel shank rubbing against leather soles
@RustyCarnahan
@RustyCarnahan 2 года назад
The burning question in my mind is what would it cost the customer to have a conversion like either one of these done to their boots?
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany 2 года назад
The brown pair got the Iron Logger package listed on our website. It ranges from $300-$330. The grey pair would run $300.
@patohara175
@patohara175 Месяц назад
Absolute master boot craftsmen! 🤘🏼😁
@wesdanakes8386
@wesdanakes8386 2 года назад
Wow very nice and creative 💓😁👍👌😁
@jspeedadventures
@jspeedadventures 9 месяцев назад
Both are home runs, Tobias knocked it out of the park.
@AB-jm3iu
@AB-jm3iu 7 месяцев назад
Great leather cutting sound loud music.
@hamoc1
@hamoc1 7 месяцев назад
I like real craftsmanship and marvel at yours. You offer great opportunities for Redwing owners. I recently got a pair of Blacksmiths and so far I'm happy with them. Can you tell me how much more the shoe weighs after the upgrade?
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany 7 месяцев назад
Thanks! We have never put them on the scales before and after
@williams.1130
@williams.1130 Год назад
HEYYY Winston Salem in the house. I just happened across your videos after getting back from Red Wings in Winston Lol. Small world. Cool Video btw Also, how much would that logger heel modification cost a fella???
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany Год назад
That package starts at $310. Thanks!
@TheHonarable1
@TheHonarable1 5 месяцев назад
I really like Tony's boot!
@ashotinthedark3182
@ashotinthedark3182 Год назад
I like the 360 and cords .
@slowsmooth3440
@slowsmooth3440 11 месяцев назад
I am searching for IR, can I get the Tobias conversion? With the dogger heel? How do I set this up?
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany 11 месяцев назад
Hi, Yes, that can be done. Once you purchase the package, just put in the notes for cobbler section that you want a Dogger shape heel. Thanks
@Inbal_Feuchtwanger
@Inbal_Feuchtwanger 9 месяцев назад
Do you guys put Vibrums on Red wings that have the Supersole 2.0?
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany 9 месяцев назад
Yes, that can be done. It requires new welts
@ashutosh3
@ashutosh3 3 месяца назад
You guys are awesome…
@DMD96
@DMD96 8 месяцев назад
thanks for the video
@Bemoraul21
@Bemoraul21 8 месяцев назад
Those black boots!!!!!!!
@wrrrrrt
@wrrrrrt 2 года назад
charcoal ones looks so cool, but I would go for a brown ones if I had to choose:-)
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany 2 года назад
Thanks! I really liked mine too, but the brown ones definitely made me want a pair done that way. Tony Wyatt
@wrrrrrt
@wrrrrrt 2 года назад
@@WyattDadCobblerCompany Tony, Sir! I almost felt guilty by making this comment! Double midsole, storm welt + vibram outsole, it's a killer! Sounds like an ultimate boot...:-) maybe except red stitching. But that heel on the other one... Vanity won:-)
@bradleythomas5445
@bradleythomas5445 2 года назад
Had a nice talk with Tony this morning. Dropped my boots off at UPS today. Going to get an upgrade on my Wolverine 1000 Mile boots. Can’t wait!
@ethan073
@ethan073 2 года назад
Wow wow wow @ both of those
@Breecebuilt
@Breecebuilt 8 месяцев назад
Outstanding work! I didn’t think the toe cap would make much difference, worked out great!
@moisesmera7913
@moisesmera7913 Год назад
Is it possible to convert a Blake stitch to Goodyear welt??
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany Год назад
Yes, but it is considerably less expensive to convert it to a rapid blake construction and it looks like you converted to gyw.
@WayneRoller-m1i
@WayneRoller-m1i 8 месяцев назад
Fantastic jobs! I learn more every time I watch. Thank you.
@Antweak83
@Antweak83 Год назад
Everybody likes the logger look. The the dad's double leather midsole with the rubber sole and heel just look great.
@wesdanakes8386
@wesdanakes8386 2 года назад
Wish you have an extra camera for some much needed Close Up for more details of the finish products. Otherwise nice
@SinjiKazama
@SinjiKazama 2 года назад
Great production! The scoop on the heel is called a cuban heel. It's more curved than a woodsman heel. Very nice!
@kit2770
@kit2770 2 года назад
Aren't cuban heels more of a straight angle on the back? I dunno. Either way, it looks dynamite.
@SinjiKazama
@SinjiKazama 2 года назад
@@kit2770 You're describing a woodsman heel, cuban is more curved and dramatic.
@kit2770
@kit2770 2 года назад
@@SinjiKazama 👍
@cadencramer2747
@cadencramer2747 Год назад
If Red Wing made the Iron Rangers like Tobias did here, I would own a pair. Took a boot that I've never been interested in and made it one that caught my eye when it was done.
@Ghuarocc
@Ghuarocc Год назад
I recently got a pair of iron rangers and now I can’t wait until they are worn out so I can have that logger heel added!
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany Год назад
If you want just the heels done, we can do that without doing new soles. It typically runs $60 for that.
@JAKesler
@JAKesler Год назад
Loved this video! just boughy iron rangers in copper I already want to burn through the first sole to get something done like these boots 👍
@arijitsu
@arijitsu Год назад
My lumber jacked friends 😂 that was good!
@mikerodriguez3132
@mikerodriguez3132 Год назад
dads boots so badass
@WizzdummHeadley
@WizzdummHeadley 6 месяцев назад
VERY COOL!!!
@chriswoo4069
@chriswoo4069 2 года назад
Totally impressed with the craftsmanship and skill.
@TheKillWizard
@TheKillWizard 11 месяцев назад
Both are awesome, I can't choose. Great video.
@jasonmiller9495
@jasonmiller9495 Год назад
Are you guys located in Charlotte? I’m an OTR driver and I’m in Charlotte once a week. Wondering if I could bring my Redwings in for resole?
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany Год назад
Yes, we are in Charlotte also. My son Lance Wyatt runs that shop. 6648 Carmel Rd Charlotte, NC 28226 Thanks
@jasonmiller9495
@jasonmiller9495 Год назад
@@WyattDadCobblerCompany nice I will swing by the shop Thursday. Man that’s great that you guys are right by where I deliver. My new Redwing not even a week old are already separating at the sole.
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany Год назад
@@jasonmiller9495 I’m usually there on Thursday’s for a couple hours. Let me know if you make it by. Tony Wyatt
@Beholderost
@Beholderost 2 года назад
I like your guys content, I hope more will see if so you keep working
@evsnova74
@evsnova74 Год назад
14:32 cutting the nails to a specific length. How much longer than the heel stack do you want the nail to be to get the perfect clench? I'm sure you don't want it to be too long. Same I assume for the brass ones that go into the waist at the back of the half sole? Or are those just going into the leather outsole?
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany Год назад
You measure from the side of the bases to the inner soles inside the boots. You want less than 1/8” clinch. You learn from experience how to get accurate at it. At first you have to check yourself by pulling the boot up and looking to make sure you got it correctly. The brass nails in the waist clinch in the inner soles on the sides and clinch against the steel shanks in the middle.,
@evsnova74
@evsnova74 Год назад
@@WyattDadCobblerCompany thank you, makes perfect sense. I can't believe I'm studying cobbler videos and taking notes and whatnot.
@CaptainWillard830
@CaptainWillard830 Год назад
Semper Fi! Retired Marine here! Another nice video
@edwardwalters1607
@edwardwalters1607 2 года назад
Wow I would like to get a price on these 👍🇺🇲
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany 2 года назад
Which pair do you want a price for?
@edwardwalters1607
@edwardwalters1607 2 года назад
@@WyattDadCobblerCompany the one with the logger heel
@rangervapes571
@rangervapes571 2 года назад
@@edwardwalters1607 Following
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany 2 года назад
That package is $300 with house leather soles or $330 with JR leather soles. The job in the video was with JR leather soles. We are striving to have those packages available on our website tomorrow. If not, you can send them in with contact information in the package and I will call once they arrive and go over everything with you. Thanks Tony Wyatt Wyatt and Dad Cobbler Company 3911 Country Club Rd Winston Salem, NC 27104
@adamroberts4876
@adamroberts4876 Год назад
Bad ass boots. Great channel. Keep it up.
@bradsweeney1489
@bradsweeney1489 Год назад
I want an IR with that logger look myself.
@jasonmiller9495
@jasonmiller9495 2 года назад
Damn both of these boots are great. No winner here it’s a draw
@jiriza84641
@jiriza84641 Год назад
Would love extra support for my plantar fasciitis.
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany Год назад
These build’s definitely will help with that. Another thing we recommend for plantar fasciitis is: wyfield.com
@jiriza84641
@jiriza84641 Год назад
@@WyattDadCobblerCompany loving the boot on the right, and the nicks boot conversion look alike.
@fleetwood7049
@fleetwood7049 2 года назад
So how am i supposed to buy these recrafts? I like the standard red wings, but I LOVE the recraft pimping.
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany 2 года назад
WyattandDad.com It will help you find something you like. Or, email us at info@professionalcobblers.com and we help you customize your boots with something we haven’t done yet.
@VishnuZutaten
@VishnuZutaten 2 года назад
Both these boots looks fantastic 😍😍😍.
@johnmutton799
@johnmutton799 2 года назад
WELL DONE SIRS! BOTH ARE WICKED!
@lilchazza25
@lilchazza25 Год назад
That's called a cuban heel 👍
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany Год назад
Yes, that’s one name for it.
@Castilloroad
@Castilloroad Год назад
Are you in Durham NC?
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany Год назад
Yes, we have a shop there. Tobias runs that shop.
@blairjordan7420
@blairjordan7420 Год назад
If someone doesn’t say Cuban heel imma riot
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany Год назад
Lol, don’t riot!! Cuban heel is the shape, lol
@blairjordan7420
@blairjordan7420 Год назад
@@WyattDadCobblerCompany lol
@MrJoshDoty
@MrJoshDoty 2 года назад
Those came out awesome. 👍👍
@101Greenturtle
@101Greenturtle Год назад
So satisfying to watch.
@minnesota-hk1vp
@minnesota-hk1vp 2 года назад
Awesome....do the same thing with wolverine 1000 mile!
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany 2 года назад
It can definitely be done on 1000 mile boots
@kenmarapese9085
@kenmarapese9085 2 года назад
Both pairs were beautiful. I was digging the black ones!
@WyattDadCobblerCompany
@WyattDadCobblerCompany 2 года назад
Thanks! I’ve really been enjoying them once I got that double midsole broken in. Tony Wyatt
@scottdavenport1833
@scottdavenport1833 2 года назад
Both of those boots are bad-ass. Those Amber Harness boots are superb. I also love the double midsole.
@mightymikethebear
@mightymikethebear Год назад
The double midsole boots look cool but I bet they are heavy.
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