Hi Kyle, will you do a video discussing the porpoising issue that we are seeing on some of the cars, and how the teams would approach fixing this issue?
@@raytrevor1 At a guess: Longer experience with the platform in action, and overall less extreme aero? Porpoising can definitely be tamed, Group C and GTP managed to do it while still utilizing massive Venturis under the body, but they will need a bit of track time.
+1 on this. Also. What strategies can F1 teams deploy to cure the bouncing down straights which is currently occurring on most of the cars? Do they try and stall the floor or play with the suspension? Can F1 learn anything from IndyCar?
Well, that was noticeably more measured and circumspect than the "OMG, Newey's done it again, the aero magician's blown away everyone else" kinda hyperbole I've seen from a couple/few others. :-D
awesome video. love the explanations from someone who actually knows aero. as opposed to other channels who repeatedly says 'improves air flow' or 'cleans air flow' cause they have no idea what they're talking about. good stuff.
I've been following F1 since 2005 but your videos are the first set of videos where I can attempt to understand the aero philosophy of these cars in some actual detail, as opposed to gut feelings about what they may or may not be doing. Appreciate your experience and ability to hypothesize some theories (at the risk of being wrong) to give us some detailed insights into understanding what the engineers are trying to achieve. Great stuff.
What I would love to see, would be a video on wich car may be the best aerodynamicly this season, after the first race. Meaning which is the best on the straights, on slow tight circuits or fast flowing onces. Which car is the worst to follow(has the most dirty air coming of) etc.
Hey Kyle. Just a thought, could you please enable cursor in what ever program you're using to capture and draw on the screen. I'm often having trouble seeing the things you are drawing on the screen since I have deuteranomaly and protanomaly. Loving your analysis on the cars so far!
@alexiss Jeez you're annoying. I've clicked open 3 comment's replies and you're posting this BS on all of them so far. Have reported once, hope you're gone soon.
Looking at these shots now, I have some thoughts on the front suspension geometry. I think the lower whishbone is angled back slightly to position both the front and rear legs, as well as the steering rod, purely for aerodynamics. They look like very well aligned with the front of the floor, the start of the underbody tunnels. But at that angle the mechanical geometry would create some dive during braking. So to counteract that, they had to put the upper whishbone at an extreme anti-dive angle . Which would also explain why the upper whishbone shrouding looks quite skinny, they just want to minimize its aero impact. Would all make sense to me, and is an interesting solution.
Hi Kyle, Absolutely loving this series of videos. So many times over the years you see people trying to explain aero but without the real inside knowledge to be accurate in their assessments or the humility to say that it really is difficult, if not impossible, to accurately say what is actually happening. Bravo. You asked for ideas for future videos. Well, while at the moment you will be busy with all the car launches, I think it would be great if you could cover some of the more unsual and exotic cars and concepts of old and explain how you think they were working. Examples being Brawns front wing and double diffusor, the Mclaren with the U shaped pods, The Tyrell with boomrang wing, the high rake Red Bulls and their exhaust blown diffusors. Anyway, you get the idea. Thanks for the videos they are truly excellent.
The beam wing theory is not crasy, I desigbed the aero kit of a Formula Student car and noticed this exact effect when trying to design a completely crasy diffuser. This is really innovative from RedBull and I actually think other teams will explore this design. I think it is quite beneficial!
Awesome video as always 👏 I'll be the first to admit I don't always understand fully the technical stuff, but your intelligence and enthusiasm in shining a light on the 'Dark Arts' of aerodynamics is incredible, just a joy to watch 👍🏴
I would say the double bargeboards are used to get much downforce in corners but not on the straights. The air between the bargeboard is used to create a vertex under the floor, to seal it from the outside. This creates much downforce. But you only need the downforce in the corners. Many teams dl have bouncing problems on the straights on the testdrive in barcelona. Because on higher speed the downforce goes up and it pushes the car near to the ground. The downforce increases when the car is near to the ground. This leads to touching the ground and the aerodynamic flow gets lost. So the Redbull only creates this vortex when the front wheels are turning into a corner. If my theory is right. Redbull should not have problems with the bouncing problems like the other teams have right now.
As a massive car nerd and relatively new F1 fan I’m so happy I stumbled upon your videos recently, you’ve really helped me better understand the engineering side of the new regs. You’ve done a great job of simplifying everything with each of the cars while not dumbing it down too much. Keep it up! I’m curious though what you as an aerodynamicist think about the porpoising effect that has apparently caught the teams completely by surprise and what different solutions we might see from each of them. I know that’s probably extremely hard to do without seeing their wind tunnel, CFDs and any other data, (which is probably why you haven’t made a video on it) but I’d highly value even small and obvious bits of analysis. Thanks!
Very interesting one! I discovered your channel on the first video you made about the new F1 regulation. You are explaining everything very clearly, thank you! I have just seen a picture of the Haas during testing, they are quite a few interesting things going on on this car, the fin on the top of the engine cover, the front of the floor and the endplate of the front wing. If you have time, it will be interesting to do a video on their real car. Thanks.
Wow, cool video Kyle. Could you maybe do a video about the flow vis on the new cars? To maybe compare some previous investigations from you to a new investigation including the flow vis. I am quite interested in how teams read the airflow from just paint.
I trust this analysis the most because he approaches everything as a scientist would. Not, “this winglet does….XYZ, and that flap does…..VXY”. But more of, “what this could be doing is….” I’ve always had a hard time taking others seriously, because if they had all the knowledge they act like, they would be aerodynamicists and not artists, or F1 commentators, etc.
Given all the new designs, can we get a general "Flow Viz analysis" review on how to read the airflow tracings? It will be difficult to do one specific racecar design given limited images but we are going to see a lot of Flow Viz being used during the pre-season and in the practice sessions at the first several races. Thanks!
Can we have a video about porpoising? There are plenty that talks about the subject but the solutions aren't as much talked, I'd like to hear your opinion about it.
I love racing but the competition between designers and engineers in F1 is more interesting to me than what happens on track. I loved the hyper complicated barge board and front wing elements of previous years, the visible engineering and just thinking about how so many intelligent people literally worked around the clock to arrive at that particular design. It's so interesting and compelling that there has to be one perfect design, all you have to do is find it. When the 2021/2022 rules were announced I was worried it would lead to bland designs without character but I am very happy to be proven wrong. Hell, to my untrained eye the 2022 cars look more different from each other than they've done in a long time and I am loving it. Thanks for the videos and I am really excited to see what they can do in anger on the track.
Please do a video on this "porpoising". Please include your take on Garry Andersons opinion on the Mclaren vs the rest, or something similar. Very interested in this. Please include what solutions other than a strong vortex (like Mclaren sealing the floor with a strong vortex) teams may be able to utilise. I'm assuming it is a left of field situation, I'm not sure you've come across before but if you have an in depth view it would be a great insight on a popular topic.
Would be cool if you could grab these pictures and put them into a 3d model with animations, to help us see what the air is doing, idk how hard that is, but it would certainly upgrade the video
Hey you've probably already gotten this question but a video on porpoising and how teams will solve/deal with it would great. Plus I imagine it would get into a large discussion on ground effects as a whole.
Is there anyway you can show us... 1) how they use the wind tunnel to develop these parts 2) Which parts help in cornering at low speeds vs high speeds vs reducing drag on the straights... I think we can tell how the air helps in cooling Thank you I know nothing about this stuff and your videos are super helpful
Have been loving your analyses this season, feels like I'm learning more about aero even though I've been following the technical side of F1 for over a decade! I would love to see your analyses of the images from the wet testing on day 3, there are some inverted colors photos that really show the airflow directions and spread coming off the cars, they look like they could give you some information about the cars' flow field directions and help inform us plebes! Thanks Kyle!
The Mercedes floor looks like it's been created by hive mind robots. The Red Bull floor looks like it's been crafted by Adrian with a hot air gun and wire snips.
I’m guessing you saw the wet running photos that show floor sealing vortex, especially on the Mclaren. The race have done a good video on this looking at an polar inversion on the images an discussing it’s relevance to reducing porpoising due to being able to run a higher ride height but keep the underfloor sealed. Would love to her your breakdown/analysis of this. Especially in relation to how powerful this may be and how mclaren are achieving this apparent stronger vortex compared to the other teams.
Do Mercedes and RedBull both use NX? - Great Video again. Saves me a lot of time watching the Analysis of the cars here instead of the more general Analysis of the cars on other RU-vid Channels. Love it!
The Rear Beam Wing theory does sound a bit crazy , it would be better if you could shed some more light on that :), but overall the video was awesome , absolutely adored the analysis!!!!!!!!
It'd be nice if you mirrored the legality boxes with an illustration of a car on the other side. So us laymen can better visualize it. These videos are very cool btw, thanks for the insight!
I suspect the aim with those bargeboards is to essentially eat the tire wake and squirt it out in a more useful direction. They've gone to a fair bit of trouble to get it close to the inside corner of the front tire and I don't think they would need two boards to achieve the desired outwash considering how far forwards they are. I could be getting this wrong because I haven't read the rules because of how they're written, but I wanna say they the area in which your bargeboards are allowed to go starts at the front of the sidepods and extends forwards from there. The channel like intake seems to be a way for the sidepod to start atr the front of legality but not increase the upper surface of the sidepod as I recall that they tend to generate lift.
I think they have used such a fat t tray to claw back some of the loss they have from the 2 strake bargeboard. Choosing out wash over downforce/drag efficiency. Pretty smart.
I think it also helps with Porpoising, since the air pressure difference is built up less abrubtly due to the wall of the monocoque not moving in. more gradual air pressure development under the car should prevent the back from dropping too much to the ground in comparison with the front
Kyle- great insights as usual. As the drivers love to ride the kerbs do you think we will see a lot more damage to these lovely wavy floors this season?
RB looks most advanced, quite aggressive and "tunable" too. I'm sure majority teams will copy that floor edge and some sidepod intake to an extent too.
The real reason for the Red Bull sidepod inlets: The car is so fast that it goes supersonic, the bottom leading edge generates a an oblique shock to compress the air feeding the inlets for a jet engine.
@kyle.engineers Just stumbled across this video. It’s funny, iv got the same print f1 car you have it the background. It was a gift from someone at Mercedes’ when I worked with them.
My only concern with this car is that Adrian Newey might have innovated too much again so the car isn’t that great because he hasn’t been able to refine the ideas so that they work properly
@@martijnbuunk yes but there’s only so much you can fix with testing, it only tells you whether things work or not, it doesn’t tell you how to fix the issues, Newey has been caught out before with cars that took ages to fix because of his over ambitious design
@@DaVinci-vj7ku , yeah but that had to do with bad correlation from the simulator or there whern't any of these tools. Something tell's me that they may hit the jackpot and if not you can remind me of that😜
@@DaVinci-vj7ku De Brit kan zich een tevreden man noemen. Op enkele problemen voor Perez na verliep de testweek in Catalonië naar wens voor Horner en zijn manschappen. Bij Sky Sports spreekt hij zich uit over de dagen: "Tot nu toe verloopt het allemaal zeer voorspoedig. De auto gedraagt zich zoals wij hadden verwacht en het loopt net zo goed als onze simulaties voorspelden. Dit is een bemoedigende start." Please push the translation button... I'm dutch and a litte lazy today...😁
@@martijnbuunk it’s just a concern of mine and Horner and Perez could just be speaking to cover up any issues they are having but it does look like they’re in a strong position, although maybe not as strong as McLaren, Ferrari and Mercedes
