Red Dot Forum Camera Talk: Leica Q3

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In this episode of Red Dot Forum Camera Talk, Leica experts Josh Lehrer and David Farkas are talking about the recently-introduced Leica Q3. Now in its third generation, the latest Leica Q3 builds on the already capable Q2 while offering upgraded imaging performance and numerous physical improvements. As usual, Josh has done head-to-head testing to show how the new Q3 stacks up against its predecessor, the Q2. And David took the Q3 for a test run in Paris, France where he put the new camera through its paces for a week, with plenty of real-world sample images.
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Timestamps:
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0:00 - Starting soon
4:36 - Intro
12:15 - Q (Typ 116)
14:00 - Q2
15:45 - Q3
17:45 - Q2 and Q3 Physical Comparison
25:28 - New Battery
27:50 - Handgrip
30:20 - Q3 Tech Specs
42:00 - Optical qualities among different 28mm lenses
43:30 - Backwards compatible accessories with the Q2
45:10 - Will the USB-C be able to take an audio input?
48:15 - Which color materials from the Q3 accessories do you prefer?
49:50 - Can you download images to a MacBook through USB-C?
50:35 - Screen Protector for the Q3
51:07 - Can you configure the Q3 for back-button focus?
52:50 - Thumb Support
53:33 - Is the handgrip needed in order to charge the Q3 wirelessly?
53:50 - Which SD card do you need for 8k video?
56:18 - Will the Q3 charge in any wireless charger?
56:55 - Future Products and Availability
1:05:10 - Email Preferences
1:07:20 - Preorder Process
1:08:30 - Q3 Sample Photos
1:27:25 - Q3 Accessories
1:34:10 - Is the auto white balance on the Q3 different than the Q2?
1:36:30 - Q3 photo comparisons
1:53:55 - Does the Q3 image stabilization improve low light performance?
1:54:15 - Any concerns on using electronic flash on the Q3?
1:55:15 - For motion shots, do you prefer AFc or iAF with eye/face tracking?
1:56:20 - Does any other software besides Lightroom record digital zoom on the Q3?
1:57:18 - M11 sensor difference with the Q3 sensor?
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@RedDotForum Год назад

After the show, I performed another test, shooting the Q3 at ISO 6400, 12500 and 25000, both L-DNG and M-DNG. If you bring an L-DNG file into Photoshop and downsize it to the same resolution as the M-DNG file set to the same ISO, it exhibits less noise and higher detail than the equivalent M-DNG. Feel free to test this yourself with my DNG files, found here: www.dropbox.com/sh/022bpxmmkpgn2p5/AAD-1-BA5ENEaE9284_r5FpYa?dl=0

@FelixHuray 11 месяцев назад

I can feel the tension and the passive aggressiveness of the hosts 😅😅 its like watching a drama TV show😊

@rzezniqq 8 месяцев назад

This!!!

@tdfrie 6 месяцев назад

I come here to escape that stuff because it’s such a huge feature in every day life. I like the information; I don’t enjoy the personality mix.

@rayvaldovinos8067 8 месяцев назад

This was my first edition of RDF. Very nicely done. I'm thinking of buying a Q3 as my first Leica.

@irenedp4947 Год назад

On a recent trip to Japan, I could find a young japanese girl sitting for dinner and shooting with a Q from the lcd screen -probably in auto mode- and a gentleman in the first class line from Haneda to Heathrow also carrying one, like a Birkin bag. It is a luxury item, but I am sure that it will give them satisfaction too. The new Q3 is impressive. I work professionally as a documentary photographer. My first Leica was a Q1 that I still keep, use for scouting and cherish. I use two Ms (9p and 10r) paired when I need to travel light, and an S2 and one of the 300 S3s ever made when I can leave the car close by. Also use other gear, but the Leicas are 80% of what I do. In every single project, I don’t know how, there’s images from the Q. It is that good. Living between Spain and the UK I never had the chance to shop with you guys, but wanted to commend you for the wonderful content you produce. It’s informative and fun. Than you so much!

@f__e__e__l__e__e__p Год назад

Best comment of the year 2023! Granted! 🙂♥️

@michaell5806 10 месяцев назад

So much knowledge given here. Sony shooter here and interested in this particular type camera. BUT NOW they have me thinking about the monochrome!

@richardhutson2474 Год назад

Great conversation well organized and presented ... oh, and illuminating !!!

@archbus Год назад

Thank you. Looking forward to watching this

@gewglesux Год назад

Thanks Guys!!

@Super.Quasar 4 месяца назад

Exciting and great video. Thanks. Looking forward to the Q3 Monochrom.

@casadelouie Год назад

Thank you for the comparison to Q2M !!! … been looking everywhere for that ..

@Biosynchro Год назад

Terrific show as always. Looking forward to the next one.

@lcvlorenzocevavalla8592 11 месяцев назад

As the camera is already able to focus with the button when a button is dedicated to AFL and in this case the af on the release button is already disabled means that it would be very easy via fw update to give the possibility to dedicate a button to back button focus!

@marvinling1434 8 месяцев назад

Actually for the 2 hosts. Q2 actually has back button focus, without digging into setting. You can do back button AFL and AEL separately. For BB AFL when half press take a shot and don’t lift up your finger, keep it at the half press position and you have it. A RU-vidr named Samuel Lintaro demonstrated this.

@rumporridge1 5 месяцев назад

😂😂😂

@maximewong3415 10 месяцев назад

Very interesting 🎉😊love listening to your information 👌 😊 👍

@grjlynch 7 месяцев назад

Red Dot - great reveiw thanks!

@peterfruehling3721 Год назад

Fantastic show as always, guys! ...and nice to see the Panerai make an appearance, David! Love the 233!

@RedDotForum Год назад

Thanks. The 233 is a classic for sure.

@skiiizo Год назад

I have the Q2M and now the Q3. Working in a Leica Boutique in Brussels, I had the pleasure and the joy to get mine pretty soon. This little gem makes beautiful pictures, and as you guys say, our problem is to get them fast enough to satisfy our customers. The black and white pictures I make are pretty good and I'm wondering if I will keep my Q2M that I love so much. Especially with the new features in Lightroom and the powerful denoise function which can clean images in a very effective way.

@mrcondorazo 11 месяцев назад

Hello... what do you advise me... I take a lot of photos in black and white... and with the q2 I take beautiful photos... do you recommend the photos in black and white of the q3... or of the q2 monochrome?

@skiiizo 11 месяцев назад

@@mrcondorazo if you are satisfied with your Q2 no need to change. If you want the new technologies then the Q3 is nice and makes very good black and white pictures. The Q2M is a very nice toy but you won’t see a lot of différences comparing to your Q2. There is a 20% more sharpness perception and the high ISO are almost 2 stop better. That’s it. If you really want to shoot in monochrom and really need to change your Q2, I would go for the Q3 or wait for the Q3M.

@mrcondorazo 11 месяцев назад

@@skiiizo Your answer is very clear. Thank you very much.

@janadufkova7213 8 месяцев назад

If you decide to not to keep your Leica Q2M I would buy it from U. 😄 Well, seriously 😐

@tommynsong Год назад

@RedDotForum you mentioned that the banding issue due to lens profile can be mitigated by processing the DNG with Capture One, can you validate that?

@jurekjerry7274 11 месяцев назад

Almost perfect. Titling screen is great. Now you need a tilting EVF.

@frankygamaliano7058 3 месяца назад

To make if perfect, it has to tilt when in vertical shooting

@LCR1960 6 месяцев назад

Great talk but there's one thing I haven't seen and I wish that Leica comes out with for the Q3 the hot shoe thumb support that can mounted on the camera and add the flash transmitter or a flash by it self on top of it. Just wondering it would alot easier to add or remove transmitter or flash without removing the thumbs up support right ?

@rigobertomorales6092 Год назад

Does the battery from SL2s work in Q3 camera?

@gurugamer8632 5 месяцев назад

The Leica Q3 image output have clarity and sharpness and looks exactly same as any other Mirrorless camera like Sony, Canon or Nikon.

@ADrowning 8 месяцев назад

I've been looking at getting the q2 monochrom but I keep noticing hot pixels whenever the higher iso is shown off. Just like I see in this video. Scattered throughout. Any info on this?

@Leicam10 Год назад

I’m happy it’s more of a 24-26mm then a 28mm but have Leica ever commented on why they call it a 28mm?

@bodythetan 11 месяцев назад

Always great to see Anthony Kiedis on the show 😂

@lemmid3x 10 месяцев назад

Info Thumbrest Q3: it works fine with the Q2, but the left Button is without function, I bought it for my Q2M Reporter in brass, looks good imo

@daverobinson7249 8 месяцев назад

gretings from Cayman. Which is the best waiting list to get on?

@JS-shim Год назад

Thanks for your great content. Hopefully Leica will sort out the that Half depressed shutter live view image problem you mentioned at 1 hour 59 minutes. With regard to the iAF, i find it is brilliant for people but terrible for architecture and landscapes.

@RedDotForum Год назад

We're sure Leica will address this issue with a firmware update in the near future.

@KeeeeenW 11 месяцев назад

Leica Q is the Porsche Macan of Leica. It has everything you need in an unique all-in-one package. For the purest experience, people would buy the M or the 911 but for most of consumers out there, the Leica Qs and Macans are way more versatile and better bang for the buck.

@aartb2836 Год назад

Q3 had banding problems + dark corners using C01 in M-DNG and S-DNG. For these settings the lens profile was not auto selected. They fixed that in their latest firmware update.

@user-ms8qg2rz5s Год назад

Hope a Q come with 28-35-50 F2.4 lens version

@freediverx Год назад

Great episode. Love the sample photos highlighting some of the camera’s capabilities. A couple a quibbles, for example re: the advantages of shooting in lower resolution mode (not crop modes), but hey, it’s a brand new camera and it’s impossible to do live q&a on a technical subject without ever making a mistake. Some folks in the comments section need to take a chill pill and switch off their entitled Karen mode.

@RedDotForum Год назад

We've done some fairly extensive testing of the M11 and its variable resolution output. There was no appreciable benefit with regards to image quality in dropping the resolution. And, we found that noise reduction is often more effective with finer pixels and finer noise. Based on those findings, we recommend sticking to the full resolution (L-DNG) unless you really need a greater burst depth for continuous shooting, or if you simply don't need high resolution images for your intended final use. We haven't had a chance to test out the variable resolution on the Q3 yet, so if we're missing something there, we're happy to explore further.

@OpenDGuitar 5 месяцев назад

I’ve been using the Q2 for two years at work, but plan to buy a personal use Leica by 2026…so likely a used Q3. The extra MP is nice, low light performance better…but I don’t use the back screen on the Q2,, so the flip screen is not a draw for me. I wonder if a used Q2 in 2026 would even be a viable option.

@walkingmeditation61 Год назад

I'm a fan of Leica I have the Q2M. I am waiting for the firmware update to correct the Q3 from "Lock Up" lots of people are reporting lock up

@sc1 Год назад

You guys need an additional person watching for questions during the Livestream. Jose misses so many questions.

@StevenScholten Год назад

Guys. Do gou have any idea why the Q does not offer a zoomed in view when in crop mode? I understand Leice shooters love the framelines, but it woud make composing a shot at 50mm of 75mm a lot easier. And also you could see the expression of a subject a lot better. Does the Q3 offer a button short cut to re center the focus point? Double tapping the screen is not nice with the camera raised to your eye. Centre button of the directional buttons would be logical. Thanks! Steven

@allena3430 Год назад

You can turn on the frame lines and tap on your screen or zoom by the wheel.

@StevenScholten Год назад

@@allena3430 thanks for answering. Can you please eleborate on this? I use viewfinder 99% of the time

@frankygamaliano7058 3 месяца назад

This! Been hoping for this like how X100 zoom works. At least offer it as an option for user to choose. I meant 35mm and maybe 50mm crop are viewable, the 75mm and now 90mm crop is a joke to view in EVF despite the increase in resolution.

@gurugamer8632 4 месяца назад

Can you do a video on Fuji X100VI vs Leica M11

@gurugamer8632 Год назад

I love my Ricoh GR III X

@RonHamilton Год назад

Plans for q3 reporter?

@franchu455 Год назад

Hellooo my friends!!!!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

@jal2550 Год назад

Finally took the plunge and bought my first Leica......But my 3 isn't arriving supposedly until December😪🤨🤨

@gewglesux Год назад

Congrats!! long time to wait!!

@allena3430 Год назад

If only they could allow the Visoflex 2 compatible with the Q3. Would be gamechanger when I want to shoot through a viewfinder at an angle

@RedDotForum Год назад

Interesting idea. The flip screen gets you most of the way there, though.

@mrcondorazo 11 месяцев назад

I have the vosor flex... and it only takes advantage of using a manual approach... it doesn't work for the automatic one

@user-tt3mh1ck7j Год назад

I just bought Q3 and a whole kit of filters from kase, I am beginner.

@Not-A-Woke-Liberal Год назад

On your channel why do videos that are 2 years old only show on the latest videos???

@benoitpiret9065 Год назад

Can you guys confirm the Q3 meters within crop lines only? Or am I tripping? I haven’t checked other Qs

@ianforber Год назад

My Q2 meters from within the frame lines. I don’t have a Q3 but I’d be surprised if Leica had changed how the metering worked. Can’t be 100% sure though

@benp9211 Год назад

Q2 has Maestro II, not III. Q3 has Maestro IV. The lens hood cap is tighter in Q3 than Q2.

@marvinling1434 8 месяцев назад

For landscape photography the Q3 stabilization might be useless since you probably will use a tripod but for street photography and some handheld night scapes or low light macro, the stabilization shines I can easily handheld at 1/30, but with an M 1/30 you gonna be careful, and if I’m trying to be careful I can do 1/10 with the Q2. It helps in low light but why the hosts feels the stabilization isn’t helpful if compare to an M11? They said stabilization doesn’t help much? I felt otherwise though.

@jeffchastain2977 Год назад

Would you use the q3 to take landscape photos?

@RedDotForum Год назад

Sure. With a high resolution sensor with excellent dynamic range, an incredible 28mm lens and full weather sealing, the Q3 is an extremely capable camera for landscape photography. The only trade-off is being limited to a 28mm, with some landscape shots calling for ultra-wide lenses like a 16mm, or long telephoto for scene compression.

@jeffchastain2977 Год назад

@@RedDotForum I do have a Nikon d800 with 36mp, and 15 and 20 mm lenses and a couple of telephoto zooms so I think I will keep that system. I am thinking that I will replace my Sony a6500 system that has a 12mm Zeiss lens, a 17-70 Zeiss Zoom, that I think I will sell, and replace it with the Leica Q3.

@BangPhotography 10 месяцев назад

update as of august 30 2023, the bug mentioned at 1:59:40 has not been fixed yet.

@uwejansch4235 11 месяцев назад

what if there is no person in the shot must face body detection be switched off?

@ilkerozmen7355 6 месяцев назад

Why there is no BULB option?

@jagathgoonewardene507 11 месяцев назад

Great

@gustavomonasterios6083 Год назад

The leica Q3 did not come with internal memory. Why? It is a big missed 😢

@ralfferfi2860 Год назад

The only way to make it a bargain 😁

@gustavomonasterios6083 Год назад

@@ralfferfi2860 haha I supposed. Q3-P additional 1500 USD.

@RedDotForum Год назад

Would have been nice for sure. The internal memory in the M11M is extremely useful. Our guess was this was either a cost or internal space issue. Or it created complications with the video throughput. Leica hasn't commented on why they left it out of the Q3.

@gurugamer8632 5 месяцев назад

The image quality looks very similar to Sony A7RV

@smooth111012 9 месяцев назад

So how did these top RU-vidrs get one so fast, so unfair

@uwejansch4235 10 месяцев назад

this game changing eye detection on the Q3 works only in some very few lucky occasions!! the camera is certainly not idiot proof

@cameraprepper7938 Год назад

IF I was to get a Leica camera, then it should be a "Q"-style compact model with Leica M-mount, 9.5+ mega dot EVF and IBIS at a lower price than Leica M cameras.

@RedDotForum Год назад

A Q and an M aren't much different in body size. If you want to use M lenses on a Leica body with IBIS and one of the best EVFs on the market, the SL2 with an M-Adapter-L would do quite nicely.

@rumporridge1 Год назад

Never selling my Q-P. Maybe get the Q3 and SL3 for my 2024 retirement gift to myself. 😊

@toothzombie 6 месяцев назад

Q2 >> Q3 - because of the tilt screen.

@frankygamaliano7058 3 месяца назад

Q3 thumb support is the right one. I had the Q2’s and the button is very hard to press! Leica, really???

@MrGuto Год назад

have you even tried the wireless charging feature? it doesn't work really well with the camera places as you show at 29:00. it needs to be off-centered or it won't charge. Leica missed the mark on this one, big time.

@gam3955 Год назад

Hi, it’s working. I use wireless charging every day with an Apple wireless charger 😅

@uwejansch4235 10 месяцев назад

will you dare talk about the failing connectivity of the Q3

@RS-Amsterdam Год назад

OMG are you guys wrong ! First of all, as a Q shooter, bought one when the Q2 was already out, but I would rather have the 24 MP and better Low Light resolution than the overrated higher MPs. Now the Q was not such a gamble as you may let the people believe. Long before the Q, Fuji did this with the X100 (crop sensor 23 mm (35 FF eq,) with a F2 non detachable lens (designed for the camera) since 2010. That was a multi award winning camera in 2011. When the Q came out Fuji was already selling the 4th gen (X100 F which I bought before my Q, a great camera) and has proven it success over the passed years, so the bed was already made for Leica on this kind of system. But the worst thing David said was that switching between the 60 to 36 to 18 MP has hardly no advantage. Well it does, cause it is no crop, the pixels are "rearranged" therefor giving you a better dynamic range up to 15 steps. Tests has already shown that the 36 MP setting will give the most advantage. If you want to see the real measurements and physical explanation go to mathphotographer YT channel (Swiss guy with a lot knowledge about cameras and Leica in particular, love to discus with him, great source of info, and spoken in English) and watch the video about Q3 iso invariance. What I also would suggest that you visit your colleagues channel Leica Store Nürnberg, those guys REALLY understand what is happening inside, although in German but that is for me no problem cause I was raised bilingual Dutch/German, but maybe there is somebody in your team who understands German so you get and can spread the RIGHT info. Sorry, I had high hopes for this episode but after watching half of it, I couldn't take anymore. Another channel tip for you guys: Leica Camera USA, there is a nice episode called the For the Love of Lenses, nice wake up call from the designers.

@RedDotForum Год назад

We didn't dive into the full history but interesting tidbit about the Fuji X100. Leica launched the X1 with the same specs a year earlier. The Fuji even had the two tone chrome top plate and black grip of the Leica, with a "classic" Fuji script engraving on top. But good on Fuji for going that route. At the time, in 2010, they were experiencing declining sales and a lagging product portfolio. The X100 by all accounts saved Fuji. Leica then continued developing their APS lineup with the X2, X Vario, X113, X-U, T701, TL, TL2 and CL, prior to leveraging that experience into the first Q. So, yes, between Leica and Fuji, there was 6 years of market experience with APS-based compact cameras. But not with a full frame model that would be placed in the lineup right next to the SL and M. I believe we covered most of this history in our APS episode if you want more of a deep dive. As far as the variable resolution goes, we tested the M11 and M11M extensively to see if there were any benefit. There wasn't any perceptible difference. So, our recommendation going forward has been to use the highest resolution of L-DNG for most things and drop down to M-DNG or S-DNG if file size isn't needed, but buffer depth is. Based on this experience, and the fact that even Leica isn't promoting this feature as an image quality advantage with the Q3, we didn't feel the need to prioritize re-testing the same with the Q3. Perhaps it's better. We will have to see once we test for ourselves. And while a 24MP Q2-S would have been a nice companion to the SL2-S, it probably wouldn't have done well in the marketplace. Most people want more megapixels for an all-in-one camera. Besides satisfying those looking for ultimate resolution and performance, the added pixels allow for more aggressive cropping, which negates some of the tradeoff of a fixed 28mm lens. And the fact that Leica was able to increase resolution by 27%, and also improve low light ability by 1-2 stops over the Q2 means that both camps are happy. The extra megapixels doesn't come with an image quality sacrifice but rather an increase in overall performance.

@earvinquero2037 7 месяцев назад

I hope they dont make Q3 Monochrom. That will piss me off

@vermontmike9800 11 месяцев назад

I don’t get having a threaded shutter button for it to only use a soft release. I’d rather it stay black. Poor decision by Leica on that.

@GeoffGrant2010 Год назад

Quit your bichen’. It’s obnoxious when complaining about the supply of a luxury item among an affluent clientele!

@winchangkou 11 месяцев назад

Major major waste of money n Rich mans toy

@noenken Год назад

Sorry but this is the Leica Q designed by Homer Simpson. It' is just full of garbage that makes no sense at all. - Nobody cares about 8k video. Absolutely nobody. - A high resolution sensor so you can crop more... instead of a 24mp stacked sensor that would make electronic shutter a viable option for non static scenes. And with a leaf shutter that only goes to 1/2000, a f/1.7 lens and - STILL! - no ND ... it could really use that. - The card slot door now basically wraps around the 1/4"-20 hole which is one of the most horrendous design failures I have ever seen. - And the only reason to do that is those pins for the wireless charging grip ... that could have been Arca compatible ... but isn't. - Like the threading in the shutter button could have been compatible with a cable release ... but isn't. - All the buttons are now cramped onto the side where your hand didn't have much space even on the Q2. - ... just to make space for that abomination of a tacked on screen. No, this camera was designed by morons to fill out spec sheets and sell accessories. I am extremely disappointed about what Leica has chosen to do here. And at minute 30 I stopped watching. There is so much wrong or PR-BS on that list ... it is embarrassing. An example: No, the Q3 does not have more buttons. Leica just made two more of the buttons customisable. That is software, Leica could chose to do that for the Q2 as well. That is not a feature to advertise, that is an artificial limitation on the older camera.

@realniteart Год назад

You can start with a design around a film canister instead of human hand. It is not classic, it is moronic and lazy (unless they sell a shitload of grips. Then it is a genius sales team :) ). And two dials to set a shutter speed? How come both my high tech Olympus, and somewhat high tech GFX are better for a full manual exposure shooting than a camera that pretends to be a manual exposure eden?

@noenken Год назад

@@realniteart I honestly don't know what you are talking about but if it isn't the Q3, this might not be the right place to put it.

@realniteart Год назад

@@noenken Well, how do you set 1/320 on Olympus? You turn rear wheel till you get to 1/320. How do you do the same on Q3? You turn shutter speed dial to 1/250 and then thumbwheel to -1/3, something like that. I know there are ways to achieve the same differently. But even within Leica universe, between Q, M and SL cameras you have three different default ways to adjust shutter speed.

@noenken Год назад

@@realniteart Don't get me wrong but I'm not really interested in comparing the Q3 to entirely different cameras here. My point is that the Leica Q3 is a bad continuation of the Leica Q series.

@MrGuto Год назад

@@noenken in your opinion. thank you.