What would scientist man say about alien? The whole gag is that he does stupidly overly complex plots, the plot of alien was more or less oh shit this alien is killing everyone.
Yeah, he did the Terminator movies, but those bad decisions are the producers', and not the characters in the movies as much. Skynet makes more dumb decisions than the human characters do. Those timelines are legitimately complicated enough to need unraveling.
Well, when they first enter the ship, yes, but then she's fine very shortly thereafter. You can clearly hear Mother's voice and see her affecting things in several sequences after David entered the Covenant and before he assumes control of the ship. Tennessee says that the computer needs to recover, you're right there, but then it does, and we see it happen, and we hear Mother talking while David is inside the ship. As soon as she reboots at 8 bells, she should be like "Wait a minute, this isn't the right robot." A better explanation is that David's "father" gave him a special override code that still works on Weyland Industries computer systems ten years after Weyland's death, and even that is incredibly threadbare. Or, put Mother aside, if modern (in the time in which Covenant takes place) robots can repair surface damage, how come no one asks about the facial injury? Daniels even helps him staple himself up, how come she never asks him why his on-board systems aren't taking care of that for him? Plot holes as far as the eye can see.
Brian Sfinas Yeah, didn't notice that. The only excuse would be if David was the one fixing mother. Well, the movie make THE SAME mistakes that Prometheus had made. Disappointed but not surprised.
The movie wouldn't make such a mistake it's called subtleties, David sent a signal or the computer identified David on the surface and shut down and restarted in a specialized operating mode
No question about how the super advanced alien species got entirely wiped out by one android using tech that's over 2000 years old? It's like if a caveman time travelled to the Roman Empire, grabbed some gear, then time travelled again to now and took down the United States military with his fucking chariot and gladius that he just discovered. brb writing screenplay
lol! Yeah people just overlook all the years separating these events. The weapons lab went down 2000 years ago so that ship would have been horrendously outdated unless this advanced race inexplicably went backwards despite having been an advanced species for presumably millions of years. Dumb! Dumb! Dumb!
You know there's bacteria in the arctic ice that are incredibly dangerous, so once the ice melts we'd get to experience the consequences. Doesn't matter that they've been dormant for thousands of years if we haven't been worried about them.
And why did none of the Engineers say, "hey look, it's one of our biological warfare ships from 2,000 years ago that's not responding to our hails and has no life forms aboard. Let's let it land."
The worst thing for me is the ending, where she immediately knows it's David and not Walter based off the cabin thing. She then acts like she had suspicions, but the movie never shows us that anyone is suspicious of him........ever! And how does Mother not know David isn't Walter either? I thought Mother would alert the crew but I guess she didn't fucking care.
but if the face huggers were less evolved in this film, why did they impregnate people FASTER then the original, more evolved facehugger from the first movie. Like christ did Ridley even watch his own movie.
The house of Chaos But the xenomorph isn't the strongest organism. It's extremely reliant on having the perfect conditions for breeding and evolving. It needs a healthy host who will stick his head into an egg and then live for a few days to let the xenomorph grow. The spore aliens just need someone to sniff the black goo and a few hours to grow from nothing. Still, both species fail at providing longterm progeny and becoming part of the food chain without destroying it in a very short time, so they both fail at Darwinism.
Honestly if someone just gave David the blu ray steelbook of Lawrence of Arabia he'd probably just drop everything and sit and watch that for two years straight all over again.
Ridley Scott going back to Alien is like Leonardo Devinci deciding that, after thirty years, the Mona Lisa could be improved by giving her a big moustache
2 subs depends on why you would consider something good. I personally like when a franchise trancends its medium. However by its nature a franchise like that just isnt going to be popular
I think Ridley Scott unfortunately shares a problem with George Lucas. He's no longer surrounded by people who can help him give all his ideas second thoughts (or outright tell him some of the ideas are stupid). Also, if you're going to fix the problems of the previous entry, totally ignoring them and pretending they never happened are not actually fixing them. That's just lazy and stupid.
Yeah but Ridley Scott has the excuse of being half in the grave. He understood his own movies and the universe at one poiny. George Lucas NEVER understood the Star Wars universe. The others who helped on the script and movie did. I wish George Lucas divorced his then wife and then pulled a Hemingway after the original trilogy. Then we would be better off. If he left it to the open domain that would of been hilarious.
they cut out a scene where david explains he didn't create the xenomorph shooting and adding that one scene would have stopped so much confusion scott tells it in a bad way but the xenomorphs and the engineers are meant to be the first organisms in the universe polar opposites one destroys one creates he's being really artsy fartsy with the whole thing the goo is meant to have come from the xenomorphs what david is doing is basically reassembling it back into the xenomorphs end the end none of it fucking matters because Alien 79 is a thing
Yeah I mean, why would they have their own cultural tastes? It's not like there are cultures on earth with actual technology that wear what amounts to sacks now.
They weren't in one city on one planet. For fucks sake. It's explicitly explained that *all animal life on Paradise is dead.* It wouldn't matter how many cities there were, the neomorphs and spores created by Davids black goo bombing of one city spread over the entire planet and purged all non plant based life on it, down to insects.
Where does the engineer ship on LV426 that the crew of the Nostromo found tie into this? Does David at some point make contact with the engineers to sell them a bunch of his Uncle David's Homemad Xenomorph Eggs? The events of this prequel arc and the original movies don't tie up. Don't tell me they're going to do another one of these movies? Just take this franchise round the back of the shed and put it out of its misery fam.
if david goes to infect the whole planet of earth on next movie, that would be kind of neat visually. that would also be canon, whole earth did get infected with aliens in the comics in the big war. humanity lost.
@@Redmanticore that didn't happen until sometime between Alien 3 and Resurrection. The fall of Earth is chronicled in a few comics and the arcade game Aliens Armageddon.
RIDLEY SCOTT is the new GEORGE LUCAS. FUCKING UP HIS OWN FRANCHISE BY CREATING AN INCOHERENT MESS. Should have left it alone dude,... should have left it alone.
Except the Alien franchise was never really his. The original Alien movie was mostly Dan O'Bannon's vision. He wrote the screenplay with some rewrites done by other people. It was also O'Bannon's idea to get Giger to design the alien. Scott was hired to direct and he did an excellent job with it but it was really just a job, but Alien wasn't an "auteur film" it was a studio film that was great because it happened to have a great crew working on it and, to be honest, because of a few happy accidents. Scott now seems to have gotten it in his head that he is the single visionary behind the Alien series and now this arrogance is ruing it.
+sergeantshroom Agreed. Sure, Ridley Scott has Blade Runner and Alien on is resume, but he hasn't really done a single other thing worth a damn. I think he just got lucky with Alien and Blade Runner because in truth, most of his movies aren't very good.
Fuck that shit opinion. Not even Lucas fucked up the canon as bad as Ridley fucked the Alien canon. Lucas only tried to explain why the Force was stronger with some and not others (midiclorean count). Nothing else we saw in the prequels fucked up what was in the OT. Nothing in the prequels damaged or destroyed what we saw in the OT. Meanwhile, Ridley Scott's Alien Covenant goes out of its fucking way to destroy the myth of the xenomorph. Making it impossible to watch covenant and then watching '77 Alien without noticing all the fucking contradictions. So fuck you for saying Ridley is the new Lucas. When in reality, Ridley went well and beyond what Lucas did wrong in the prequels. No comparison at all. Fuck you, bitch. Ridley effectively has destroyed the Alien franchise. It will be hard for anyone to care for it anymore. While people have always had faith in Star Wars. Prequels made more money than your entire fucking ape-like family tree will ever make in an eternity
Where does David get all his science equipment? Did David go back to the Prometheus planet to go pick it up? If the Engineers were 10 feet tall, why was all the furniture in David's laboratory made for a human? Did David have a wood working shop? Where did David get all the paper he was writing on? Where did he get his pens/pencils? Where did he get that feather pen in his human sized laboratory? Were there birds on Engineer Planet? Did all the birds turn into birthing machines for various xenomorph prototypes after he dropped the black goo bombs on the public and made a bio virus that somehow replicates across the planet and squirts out onto everything/anything biological? The planet would be crawling with them (the prototype xenomorphs). When you get a tour of David's laboratory, you see a bust of a humanoid. Where did David get this body? David also shows captain man some failed prototypes. Who did David experiment on? Shaw would be only good for one experiment, and David apparently killed every Engineer, so how were they made? With what were the Alien eggs made out of? Did he synthesize them out of stuff hanging around in the Engineer's closets? Wouldn't the rain of black goo ruin that? Why did Ridley Scott decide to dump everything from Prometheus and decide to make a d-list monster movie?
I agree with everything you said. I personally liked Prometheus because it had potential and I hoped dearly the second movie would expand and actually make use of the set up. So disappointed.
David is now Prequel Anakin. A convoluted, ridiculous character filled with pretentious religious themes that is ultimately a good candidate for being a Mary Sue. One Android is responsible for the Xenomorph species. Thanks Ridley Scott! The Aliens in Alien are no longer Aliens. Just some Frankenstein crap made in a cave (somehow) by a crazy Android. Thanks for ruining all the mystery and horror from your Aliens in favor of a shitty, asinine origin story. People should just go watch John Carpenter's The Thing. It has an actual Alien in it.
some People believe they were not Engineers but a Humanoid race created by the Engineers.. another Theory suggests that they were a different kind of Engineers.. more "monk-like" and less Tech oriented
Here's how I think it went down: Ridley: I JUST WANT TO MAKE MY BIG EPIC THESIS ON DEATH AND CREATION. [points to John Logan, et al] Ridley: YOU. YOU FIGURE OUT HOW DAVID GOES FROM HEAD IN A DUFFLE BAG TO SUPREME BAD GUY. [John, et al go and crack open a used copy of Star Trek TNG Season 1, try and write scenarios, give up after 30 minutes, and just crib the plot to 'Datalore']
All these complaints and not my biggest one: how did David in less than a minute, perfectly replicate Walter's appearance? This would involve dyeing and cutting his hair, healing many of his facial wounds (mainly the stab wound under his chin which Danny would remember) and giving himself the same wounds as Walter, swapping uniforms, and burning off his left hand. That's a busy minute! Sure was also convinient that the alien embryo he had swallowed (presumably he planned to be captured and engineered this long in advance) neatly slotted into the spaces on the covenant. It would suck if they were slightly too big to fit conveniently.
Yeah it's not like he had regrowth at his roots and robots are totally always slower than people so it's not like he might be exceptionally good at it- Oh. Well sure, he'd need to replicate the wounds walter had, it's not like no one saw the fights that resulted in the injuries apart from the severed hand which is easy enough and it's not like androids don't bleed- Oh. I mean it totally took a minute though, it's not like movies use cuts with time happening between them- Oh. it's not like Weyland Yutani is a company that would have an interest in things being standardized shapes, or that it'd be common practice for medical equiptment to be standardized like in the modern world- Oh. But I'm totally sure you paid attention to the movie.
If David overwrote Walter's mind with his own, I figured he'd benefit from Walter's healing ability, and thus no staples required for his facial wound. The lack of chin wound may have been some overlooked continuity error. The only missing piece here is David's voice was slightly damaged in his fight with Walter, yet it was perfectly fine later. However if he had mind-swiped with Walter, he'd have had no time to run to his lab and swallow some encapsulated facehuggers. I hope the DVD answers some things. Lope included: I figured Lope was impregnated by David using another smuggled specimen. He barely wore the facehugger long enough.
Why did the colony vessel have only one landing craft? It couldn't fly in atmosphere and they had to get those colonists down somehow. How did the lady who wandered off to wash her wounds manage to scream after being decapitated? How did David get his body back? He was a head at the end of Prometheus and it seems unlikely that the alien spaceship would have the tools required to rebuild him. Why did the Covenant recognise David at the end of the film? There's no reason that it should be programmed to accept orders from anyone who is not a member of the crew, but it obeys him and refers to him by name. You could really do this all day. May as well save yourself that day by calling this film a squalid toilet fire and moving on.
The worst part is that all this could have been fixed and patched up by a single attentive fan of the Alien universe. Or just someone with common said that watched the previous movie and paid attention.
You guys should really wait for Alien Awakening. it's both a prequel and sequel. Then Ridley said there will be another trilogy after the Alien Covenant prequel. it'll all make sense by 1979.
pestyoverlord I thought covenant was ok...the biggest problem with it (from hollywood's point of view) is that it doesn't make me want to watch Awakening...I could care less what happens after Covenant ends
You get like, time vertigo if you think back to the part of your life spanning between your 13th and 18th birthday and then think that's how long it's been since Prometheus came out.
"So the engineers made all natural life on earth, then humans made David and David made the xenomorph. So why is there a mural of a xenomorph in the engineer cave? That's fucking brilliant.
Time travel will be introduced in the next film as David will go back in time to show the Engineers the xenomorph and convince them to create the magical goo that he needs in the future to create the xenomorph.
When I first saw David with the long hair, my mind honestly went to, "oh he took Shaw's hair and attached it to his head....wait, what?" That's how stupid this movie made me. I was more interested in why an android could grow hair than the rest of the plot.
JBML007 And so? That's like going 'IGN gave this game an 8.5/10'. Critically speaking this movie is rushed, has a bad script, a lot of philosophy and exposition that likes to shove itself in your face, has way too many cuts....like you don't fking know how much time passes in so many places it is way too distracting, the soundtrack is nothing like Prometheus' gem etc. There are good points like the visuals and some scenes with the neomorph but there is also a lot of ugh. it would stay at a 5 or 6 for me.
yeah huge disappointment :/ rushed, weird pacing, too much focus on robots instead of humans. What made the first two Alien films so great was the emphasis on the CHARACTERS. you get invested in the horror and the action BECAUSE you care about Ripley and co. In Covenant there is zero of that.... they should have at least included the Prologue/Last Supper because there is so little character development and emphasis in Covenant. It's a mess, cardboard cutout characters and this weird hodgepodge of Prometheus + Alien. Not doing that hot at the box office so hopefully Fox finally gets some balls and lets someone else besides Scott handle the series
JBML007- the film actually has an average score on RT of 6.4 from critics. Not hot at all. the tomatometer simply rounds up positive or negative. Anything over like a 6/10 is considered 'positive' and counts towards a positive tomato.
Excuse me? I never said that. Also how does it prove my point wrong? Have you actual addressed any of the things I mentioned?? My comment was picking at how you are using one popular film website to decide whether or not a film is good hence why I compared what you said to some kid going ign gave this a 'insert meaningless score here'. You say it's great but haven't said why, you just hide behind critic's scores whereas I have already given reasons for why I find it a meh/ok movie. Critics for this movie have been mixed across the board, even when it came to the positive ones they weren't exactly sure 100 percent.
Alien Romulus, this is your future if not careful...... I like it alot. BTW Ridley Scott insists David created THE Xenomorph yet forgot about the temple on LV-223 with the Deacon and Queen/Facehuggers mural, even the novelization said he created his own strain of the Alien...kinda stubborn old man isn't he? "Thanks Ridley Scott"......
"If David created the xenomorphs, facehuggers, and chest-bursters, how then, in the original Alien movie, did the Space Jockey become infested with a chestburster and killed so long ago that the crew of the Nostromo declared him 'fossilized and ancient'? How did such a large cache of David's facehugger eggs end up on an intact engineer ship? Hoooooowwwwww????"
David didn't create the aliens, the aliens are biological weapons that get bootstrapped up out of whatever biological substrate the black goo comes into contact with. I thought that was made very clear by the films? They practically announce it by showing the black goo canisters being stored in biological weapon storage silos, and the repeated emergence of the same patterns of alien like creatures from the black goo when it contacts other organic matter. The final alien xenomorph is the form of alien that results from the biological weapon interacting with terrestrial life, principally human. This is even made explicit in the old alien universe cannon with the pred-aliens, dog-alien in alien 3, etc. The engineer society regressession in implied to be because of the abandonment of technology after some horrible war using those biological weapons, and the engineer from the 2000 year old ship is the warrior on space roids from presumably the losing faction in that war hence why he was so bloodthirsty. David thinks he is perfecting the alien but he is just iterating the biological weapon as it would have done by itself anyway, he is a faulty and insane android that fundamentally does not understand what he is doing and thinks he is a creator when he is just acting as a delivery system for the later stages of the black goo biological weapon. black good--> biological substrate --> iteratively make more complex attack and spreading organisms, depending on the host biology, i.e. snake worms or flies or mutant zombie, etc--> keep iterating--> make eggs-->create xenomorph like creature from highest form of host, and intelligent and intact host --> xenomorphs can break into secure facilities and wage war against advanced opponents with environment suits, gather more hosts, etc --> make queen--> spread xenomorphs to other locations and even other planets via infected ships--> deny the enemy biospheres and kill them. War won. There you go. Literally none of this is anything other than a direct continuation of previously established alien cannon, and is made very clear throughout the films.
@@Azelketh just a shame the MOVIE didn't really explain any of this and people have to look into expanded lore and interviews with Scott to understand any of this. He fucked up.
@@Azelketh This interpretation has been mine as well, though I lack your eloquence. They're a weapon of terror. I always assumed that due to their extremely high metabolism, the xenomorphs drop dead after a couple of days, making cleanup that much easier for the Engineers.
@@Azelketh Then what is the point of following David's story if he isn't responsible for the Xenomorph's creation? Does he have any connection to the Space Jockey Engineer on LV-426? Because that one is so ancient it was fossilized, likely predating David's experiments by thousands of years. If David wasn't responsible for LV-426 then who was? And how is David's contribution to Xenomorph evolution relevant? And if he was somehow responsible for it, and they just retcon the age of the Space Jockey, How has anything that has happened logically lead up to the Nostromo incident? Why didn't anyone later investigate the planet where the Prometheus was sent and discover the Xenomorph goo before the Nostromo discovered those same aliens on LV-426 by sheer luck? Are these movies even prequels at all, or a separate story that uses the same universe and monster? This plot still makes no sense to me.
Alien prequels suck because the original Alien was a horror movie. Its like making a Freddy Krueger prequel, detailing the lives of Freddy's 'hundred maniac fathers', (who they were, and why they became patients at the insane asylum and their motivations for raping Amanda ). Its, absolutely necessary. Neither does it matter where the derelict ship came from, who the space jockey was or why he had hundreds of eggs onboard his ship. Or, , , if you want an answer, (H. R. Giger loved heroin), thats why.
That's actually pretty interesting. I wonder if that's a holdover from the original movie, since there were "seven dreamers" aboard the Nostromo, with the Alien being number 8. Hence, the eighth passenger. So wait.. does that mean Alien Covenant is called The Eighth Passenger: Covenant in Serbia..?
So a main aspect of the original movie's horror was the mysterious unknown of the alien, what it was and how it came to be in the infinite void of space, resulting in the mind filling in the blanks with naturally what's most scary and intriguing to each individual's imagination. And this is an entire movie throwing any mystery out the fucking window by explaining everything and not even being good at it. Effectively shitting on Alien. Oh.
Why can't everyone else see that Ridley Scott hates James Cameron's Aliens. He can't admit that film was better in some ways and expanded on his mythos. Spoilers guys, Ridley won't have any Alien film acknowledge the queen or anything from the sequels
He can't accept that anyone has made other Alien material, and that some of it is better than his. I actually do like Alien slightly more than Aliens, but the Director's Cut of Alien is shit. The turning people into eggs idea is simply retarded. The fact of the matter is Alien is so good because of Dan O'Bannon's script and Giger's design. Scott had little to do with Alien being great. He knows now that he's really not a very good director as almost all of his other movies prove, and so he's trying to "retake" the only thing with his name on it that can legitimately be called great. It's sour grapes. After decades of mediocrity he's trying to coast on his one success.
@@brandaccount5941 Lmao, comparing Aliens to a Michael Bay film. Aliens may be an action movie but it's also incredibly suspenseful and slow as well, I mean it takes 70 minutes for any actual action to happen.
Jesus being an engineer reminds me of how every sci-fi turns Roswell into a pivotal moment where their in-universe aliens were the ones who crashed. Turns out anything you thought was mildly important in history was actually our canon all along!
nd4spd "blah blah we're prisoners but religion yo, oh yeah there's an alien" are you for real what a shite way to negate a movie, in your logic Alien "blah blah we're truckers oh yeah there's an alien" and Aliens is "blah blah we're marines but there's aliens pew pew" please don't comment on movies again
nd4spd i disagree, the religious context in Alien 3 worked well, trying to give meaning to Ripley's struggle because she was in a literal nightmare where there had to be some sort of existential purpose, trying to figure out why...which they resonated further in Prometheus and now Covenant's questions of finding a higher power and the purpose of life and it all. So, not really wasted. At all. The Alien didn't feel like an afterthought at all; the film (and saga) ended with her and the very foe she was trying to kill, but she was now it's mother - which they further elaborated in Ressurection which had some interesting allegory but was mostly trash. So, yeah. A lot more than "blah blah" as you put it. I get you don't like Alien3, but it's not without some merit.
Why is Walter's neck hole the only part of him that regenerates? Shouldn't his hand have grown back, then? If his flesh is the only thing that regenerates, why didn't Sigourney Weaver Jr. make the connection that she was stapling her robot's regenerating skin back together at the end? Shouldn't that have told her that it wasn't her lovable, emotionless robot, but the crazy one that likes to play the recorder?
just got back from seeing this. what a fucking tragedy of a movie. has ridley scott become paul anderson? the story contradicts all the canon. all of it.
I don't get the continued excitement over the Alien series. The first 2 were awesome and the rest have sucked. Even James Bond and Star Wars and Star Trek get it occasionally right.
Yeah, in general the Alien franchise doesn't have a great track record. There are some really bad novels and comics too, and Colonial Marines game. I shit you not, there's one comic even worse than Prometheus or Covenant. It's called Deadliest of the Species and it's unfathomably terrible. It really has to be seen to be believed. I'd tell you what it was about but you'd think I was trolling.
Why do the Engineers look less crossfity? Are they engineers? Why did the black go break down the DNA of the engineers instead of mutating them? Why did none of the plants get affected? Why did the engineer ship crash? ....
I doubt that. The director has made nothing but great movies, at least in my opinion. I don't think Ridley is that involved, otherwise he would have just directed it.
What are next? Prediction: Steven Spielberg presents prequels CE1K, CE2K, and the belated, bloated sequel CE4K that links the CE3K universe to the four prequels and two sequels to ET forming the NTI Expanded Universe. Thanks Steven Spielberg!!
