Rediscover Bethel - Episode 6: Church Structure, Teaching, Rumors, and Politics

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Rediscover Bethel, Episode 6: Church Structure, Teaching, Rumors, and Politics | Learn More Here: bit.ly/2SiVAJQ
In the last episode of Rediscover Bethel, Bethel Senior Leader Bill Johnson and Bethel Associate Pastor and Dean of BSSM Dann Farrelly discuss church structure, teaching, rumors, and politics.
Please Note: Unlike the previous episodes, this episode has a single camera view.
In this video, Bill Johns and Dann Farrelly address many of the rumors surrounding Bethel and also talk through some of Bethel's core values regarding how to minister with people we disagree with and teaching people how to think for themselves instead of teaching them what to think.
Here are the topics in this video that Bill Johnson and Dann Farrelly discuss in-depth:
- Five-Fold Ministry: Is Bill Johnson an Apostle? 0:00
- Ministering With Those We Disagree With 11:21
- Teaching People How To Think, Not What To Think 21:13
- Being Salt And Light In Today’s Culture 27:24
- The Seven Mountains Dominionism With Bill Johnson 41:33
- Is Bethel Church a Cult? 56:45
- The Church’s Responsibility With Politics 1:23:08
ABOUT REDISCOVER BETHEL
Rediscover Bethel is a video series that addresses common questions and misconceptions about Bethel Church in Redding, California. This series specifically covers Bethel's theological beliefs, teachings, and practices-featuring Senior Leader Bill Johnson, Senior Associate Leader Kris Vallotton, and Associate Pastor and Dean of BSSM Dann Farrelly. This series includes videos on Bible translations, Jesus' Deity, Physical Manifestations of the Holy Spirit, Theology of Healing, The Gospel of Repentance, Prophecy, and much more.
ABOUT BETHEL CHURCH
Bethel Church in Redding, California is a congregation rooted in the love of God and dedicated to worldwide transformation through revival. Our mission is revival - the personal, regional, and global expansion of God's Kingdom through His manifest presence. It's our goal for God's love to be manifest in signs, wonders, and miracles. The atmosphere at Bethel is charged with faith and exuberant joy, which manifests in all we do. We believe we're on the edge of the greatest revival of all time. It's our vision to see history become His-story as the kingdom of this world becomes the kingdom of our God. We welcome you to join us in this adventure!
Learn more about Bethel Church: www.bethel.com/
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@Bethel_Online 3 года назад

Thanks for watching episode 6. To see the full series from the beginning go here: ru-vid.com/group/PLUaRlPOu98p0clsG0U0jGoU91tl5q3-sK

@pealock 3 года назад

It’s not easy to peel back the layers and address these sorts of topics and issues. I may not agree with everything you all believe in and practice, but I wish nothing but blessings from God for your church. It is a truly beautiful ministry and the fruit speaks for itself. God bless you all and thank you for being bold and setting an example for others to follow.

@arnonboyd6174 3 года назад

The fact that there are 4 gospels in the bible, each one having their own perspective and insight, yet called and anointed by the same Lord, should help to give us pause when we hear a different perspective of what God is saying to the Church today.

@rpiepho365 3 года назад

I love these conversations between these two mature men of God this is so informative not only in the information that they’re presenting but in the way that they interact with each other what a blessing!! And a great example blessings to all who watch

@moviusministries6271 3 года назад

These are so amazing, for the past 2-3 weeks now I have woken up excited to make my breakfast with worship music and eat while watching these videos in my mornings :)

@parfenyj 3 года назад

Unity requires diversity! Good word right there!

@reyburchill1423 3 года назад

Awesome job bethel team again!!!

@KarlGessler 2 года назад

I love listening to these conversations! Thank you!

@NanzKomo 3 года назад

Pastor BILL !!!! U Came to Singapore and I have heard you since .... years ago... and we went to Hawaii to Transformation world and we took a team there.. and now I am in Hawaii and listening to you few times a week! Thank you for transforming us! I must write the miracles what Jesus did through you!

@Mint_tea_cup 2 года назад

Really enjoyed this video. I attend BSSMO and became concerned about criticisms I heard about things taught at Bethel. Thanks for addressing some of these things.

@JosiahMuncy 3 года назад

I absolutely love these videos 👏🏻👏🏻

@DAsiebert 3 года назад

handling disagreements 12:00

@NannyMendoza 3 года назад

Beautifully said. Bethel church has helped me live out my faith in Jesus further than I knew was possible. I can testify that the Spirit is at work here 🤍

@MrKendall420 2 года назад

Amen, well said, Natalia. Everytime, I went to Bethel for healing, prayer meeting, I always feel God's strong presence there. I am so convinced that God is very pleased with Bethel. (Writen by Lauren L)

@k.l.hollister8128 3 года назад

I love Bethel. I find it sad that people take snips of video or audio of someone out of context or even someone not related to Bethel and twist it into a falsehood that people believe without bothering to listen to the entire thing in context or research who the person is. Not too long ago I heard a pastor in a sermon, a pastor of a church my friend goes to. He started to badmouth Bethel. It was such a turn off to me. He talked about a woman pastor at Bethel that had a wizard’s staff. Well just so happens I knew exactly what he was talking about and this was not a Bethel pastor, it was another pastor that was speaking there when Bethel convened a group of church leaders in California to talk about what was going on with the George Floyd stuff. And she was from another church. She had never been to Bethel before that. Yet this has gone viral around the Internet making think people think that Bethel is into some sort of sorcery. Anyways there were several other examples he used. So I decided to email this pastor and send him the entire video and evidence related to each thing he was talking about. This was several months ago. And my friend tells me he has not mentioned Bethel since. Bethel used to be one of his favorite places to pick on. Now I understand what President Trump has had to put up with. This has happened to him relentlessly for five years. Stuff is taken out of context and he is made out to be something he is not. But people refused to research any further. They see one meme and they believe it. I have always respected the Bethel pastors so much for not speaking badly about other pastors or people who slander them. They do what is biblical and wise. I don’t know how people can trash on this wonderful place.

@nuellasbravejourney 3 года назад

Whoever you are, may God bless you!

@betsysimpkins2610 3 года назад

This is absolutely dead on! And it breaks my heart as well. Why do people who profess Jesus as Lord, come and attack like that? It does not help the body of Christ and we need each other more than ever!!!

@sunithagirish2139 3 года назад

I so agree!

@takingupmycross9869 3 года назад

Jesus warned not to go around trying to uproot the tares because it will inadvertently uproot the wheat. Now we have people ignoring Jesus, and going around as tare hunters deciding who the tares are and destroying the faith of the wheat. Perhaps the tares hunters are actually the tares, because the wheat follow Jesus. The mark of wheat is one thing: love.

@sunithagirish2139 3 года назад

@@takingupmycross9869 truth!

@martinsvenberg 3 года назад

When I was at a healing event Bill Johnsson was saying things like "I feel someone has a pain in a knee". Then a person would raise his or her arm if the description was true. However, Bill had come with a team of people, placed among the audience, and who were raising their hands all the time. The woman in front of me perhaps three to five times. No godly person could ever arrange that sort of a thing.

@dagman85 3 года назад

That's just not how it works. It's possible that someone who came with legitimately had problems mentioned in words of knowledge, but it isn't prearranged, and there isn't any deception going on with people claiming to have something they don't in order to lend credibility to the words of knowledge. They might be out of your normal experience, but they're very normal at Bethel, and they just don't have any reason to fake it. That isn't the type of people they are, and they have integrity.

@martinsvenberg 3 года назад

@@dagman85 It was actually exactly how it worked. Disgusting. Utterly disgusting. It wasn't just this "lucky" woman in front of me. Once I discovered their method, I saw the other teammembers spread out evenly and who were doing the same thing. I know what they're after. They're trying to create "faith". But you can't expand the Kingdom with the help of Satan.

@dagman85 3 года назад

@@martinsvenberg - I understand that that might feel true to you, but I'm very confident that that isn't what was happening. That's just not the way that Bill (and any team he would ever bring with him) works. He is a man of integrity, and the people who would come ministering from Bethel are also people of integrity. So whatever you thought you saw happen, what you just discerned is not something that would ever happen through a legit Bethel team. That sort of deception is worse than a lack of faith in the room, and they all know that.

@martinsvenberg 3 года назад

@@dagman85 On the contrary, Bill Johnson has all the reasons in the world to fake it. The more hands in the air, the bigger the "prophet" he is. You weren't there, I was, but I can't prove it. But I know what I saw. Jesus doesn't approve of these "healing rallies", because the Lord wants us to choose Him on the basis of truth, and truth alone. A miracle interfere with man's free will, and forces him or her to believe. This isn't Jesus' will.

@dagman85 3 года назад

@@martinsvenberg - it's clear from your comments that you don't have any sense of Bill's character or his values. I have a much better sense of them, so I'm confident that no matter what you think you saw, what you described is not what was actually happening. Integrity is far too important to Bill. The number of hands in the air has virtually no importance whatsoever to him. He just wants to be faithful to the call that God has put on his life. When he teaches students at Bethel's ministry school about testimonies, he always teaches that accuracy is the most important part of sharing that testimony. Regardless of whether or not the truth is flattering, the testimony needs to be shared accurately or it loses its power. That is what he teaches ministry students, behind closed doors. Whenever Bethel has senior staff meetings, the majority of the time at those meetings is spent sharing testimonies - real, accurate testimonies - of what God is doing. They don't have any value at all for hype. As for Jesus not approving of healing rallies because miracles take away people's free will and force them to believe, that is a ridiculous premise that is contradicted by all of Jesus' ministry on earth. His ministry was filled with miracles, and yet there were people who saw the miracle happened and dismissed it as the work of the devil. Jesus had no qualms about performing miracles in front of people, and He commanded His disciples to perform them, healing and delivering people, wherever they went. It's pretty much the opposite of what you said. Jesus actually told the Jews not to believe that He was who He said He was if He didn't do the works of His Father (a.k.a. miracles). Here is that quote: "If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him." John 10:37‭-‬38 KJV Paul had this to say about it: "For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed, Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ." Romans 15:18‭-‬19 KJV

@KevinGoldenEnterprises 3 года назад

“Because I’m so pure, I don’t know the name of the Harry Potter school.” LOL. Great line!

@doloreswatson1576 3 года назад

Listening to Bill and being fed daily the Word of God brings me closer and closer to happily losing myself and finding only Christ.

@sentinel790 3 года назад

God's Glory is righteous,holy and justice, so if you are so focused on setting environment for God's Glory,=Righteous and holy judgement,🤔 God gets all Glory

@Alex.Kalashnik 3 года назад

Huh?

@shaunpontsler9484 2 года назад

"I left Trophimus ill" 2 Timothy 4:20. Please explain Bethel...

@sandragee2864 3 года назад

Bill, be open to cät videos. ;-D

@mairtinodiomasaigh2428 3 года назад

I'm a fan and have a lot of time for Bill and Bethel but I'm not sure what they said concerning hell, " that sort of stuff is not for us" or did I hear wrong. Do they believe in hell or did I miss something??

@JH-hv5zn 3 года назад

Dan was referring to his response to a speaker that came to the school of supernatural ministry, and mentioned something about Hell. Dan didn’t go into what exactly the speaker said only that He felt the need to let the speaker know that what was said was not biblical maybe. Bethel has a biblical theology on Hell, as eternal separation from God.

@dagman85 3 года назад

Yeah, they were just referring to an "out there" doctrine that they asked a speaker not to share.

@Dana-ey1vm 2 года назад

He was referring to a speaker what his message was on he didn't go into detail. Bethel believes there is a hell and it completely separates from God and his presence . And they believe in salvation most be born again confess you sin and make Jesus Lord of your life and have a relationship with Jesus. So they absolutely believe there is hell and u most be born again to go to heaven. So whatever the speaker was going to share most have been not lining up to what the Bible says. Dan is extremely knowledgeable of the word of God and i am confident he addressed the man cause something was off.

@hworshipInstrumentals 3 года назад

@Bethel , how do you reconcile saying in these videos “ you don’t think everyone should be Christian in the 7 mountains “ with Gods desire that none should perish. Shouldn’t we all want all men to be saved? Or is it good that some are not saved?

@chrisburton8079 3 года назад

@Dean Agnor Bethel is a utopian fantasy

@chrisburton8079 3 года назад

@Dean Agnor Very well at preaching a false gospel

@chrisburton8079 3 года назад

@Dean Agnor It’s not slander calling out false preachers we are called to do so read your bible

@chrisburton8079 3 года назад

@Dean Agnor No such thing as curses that’s mysticism and witchcraft goodbye take care

@user-vw4ow4jj4p 3 года назад

@@chrisburton8079 how are they teaching false gospel? they are simply carrying out the ministry of Jesus

@alexsolis954 3 года назад

He wasn’t lying when he said “President Obama”

@raideragent 3 года назад

Roman Catholicism is a works based, false religion. Why do you consider them fellow brethren? You really need to do some research, there's lots of information out there.

@takingupmycross9869 3 года назад

There are born again Catholics you know. Catholic doesn't equal not born again. Oftentimes it does, but not always. Check out Brennan Manning.

@GeoCalifornian 2 года назад

There are no "7 spheres" that the Bible instructs Believers to influence. Neither the Gospels nor the Acts of The Apostles mention of any such carnal undertaking. Anywhere a born-again believer finds himself is where he should imitate Christ in his ecosystem. No targeting or conquering is necessary, because that merely feed's man's carnal egocentrism. Eschew carnality. /Lonewolf Liberties

@GeoCalifornian 2 года назад

43:26 You have it exactly backwards... Culture creates language; it's not the other way around.... "My body, my choice" ...where did that language originate? (HINT: from the culture of Abortion-on-Demand). /Anthropologists, pay attention.

@GeoCalifornian 2 года назад

42:39 Please consult history for a change... Communism indeed has business in a "very large way" just as the free market systems have business... the only difference is that Commies control all businesses from their nation's capitol. Beijing, for example, controls ALL businesses from one central locale; they determine who succeeds and Beijing determines who fails too. Consult the profit-making online education businesses in China's recent current events; Beijing shut them all down! Consult the recent business history of billionaire Jack Ma in China; Beijing has muzzled him... And so it goes. /Lonewolf Liberties

@Straightfromshibuya 3 года назад

When the women caught in adultery at the well was living in sin, God ( jesus christ) met her in the midst anyways. I have to believe that God meets with the leaders at Bethel in the process of navigating through this series. For spectators clear concise simple language might be more beneficial. Also Dan, chill out! let them speak and answer the questions.

@outsider427 3 года назад

Damage control.

@reyburchill1423 3 года назад

If you want to make sure everyone is happy you need to sell ice cream and not do anything publicly.

@chrisburton8079 3 года назад

That’s exactly what it is

@PepeLeFunk 3 года назад

They don’t say anything: they never explain themselves / aren’t accountable. They explain themselves: damage control. 🙄

@takingupmycross9869 3 года назад

If they don't explain themselves it's because they're guilty. If they try to explain themselves it's dismissed as damage control. Imagine if they are found to be genuine before Jesus. Lots of accusers will have some explaining to do. It's wisest to withhold judgment. Remember the wheat and tares. Jesus said don't try to uproot who we think are tares. I'm following Jesus.

@chrisburton8079 3 года назад

@@takingupmycross9869 Discernment is the key to all wisdom as Charles Spurgeon once said discernment is not discerning between right and wrong it’s discerning between what is right and nearly right Trying to convince me and others That Bethel is just misunderstood isn’t going to wash ! They will mix truth with lies that’s how it’s done that’s why we need to discern everything they say amongst their lies they will be truth ! he Tares are already sown within that church not those who critique it Are use this analogy rat poison is 90% natural it is the 10% that is poison but if it wasn’t natural the rats wouldn’t eat it I’m not comparing Bethel and its believers to rats By the way ! it’s just an analogy I hope you get my meaning a broken clock is right twice a day

@debrabertelli5076 3 года назад

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! for satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness who's end will be according to their works. 2 Corinthians 11:13-15

@chrisburton8079 3 года назад

You do not need to attend a school of supernatural ministry to learn how to be a Prophet or. Learn to speak in tongues you cannot earn a gift

@bradjohnson4 3 года назад

When you start off lying, it never ends well...

@ronkelley1490 3 года назад

I think there can be grounds for a distinction between "associating with" the NAR and "being associated with" the NAR. And while Bethel doesn't call itself part of that movement, they are clearly married into it by their own admission via the doctrines they discussed in this video, which is what the NAR is established in. They may not be openly aggressive with their presentation of things, but yes, if in no other way, they are at least by proxy part of the NAR. And this is quite an easy deduction to make, even for the average layman. So for Bill to say otherwise, he would have to be lying; unless he is ignorant of NAR doctrine or severely misunderstands it. I don't say this with any hate or malice either, but if we're going to be concerned about facts- then let's face it, Bethel is one of the key players in the movement via their own admitted doctrines. It goes deeper than "claiming a label".

@reyburchill1423 3 года назад

@@ronkelley1490 and just because someone believes similar things/ the same things that you also believe in, labels it and then promotes it does always make you guilty by association or what? Jesus didn’t care about being associated with sinners, but we as Christian condemn other Christians just because they can be associated with a certain movement. That whole argument doesn’t seem logical to me at all.

@ronkelley1490 3 года назад

@@reyburchill1423 Jesus held different positions than the sinners He associated with. That's the point my friend. Bethel isn't merely being chummy with people who believes different than themselves. They are ministry partners with people who teach and preach the exact same heretical doctrines they hold to. So even if they don't claim the NAR association themselves, they are in it because of what they do. Not everything is clear cut, I'll grant you that, but the NAR isn't an organization anyway, it's a title used for churches in a movement. It's not an official affiliate or anything, that's what has to be understood here.

@ronkelley1490 3 года назад

@@reyburchill1423 and I'll say this, and I mean it with love and humility, that the doctrine and practices of Bethel Church violate scripture in many ways and the reason it seems otherwise is due to the popularity of the pastor's misguided interpretations. They have been teaching wrongly so long that their sheep don't even recognize that it's not an accurate representation of scripture. I only say this because they try to use scripture to support their teachings but it's an incorrect application and interpretation. I don't want to be hateful, but this must be understood to see why this is all wrong.