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Kris Vallotton: Prosperity Gospel, Poverty, Riches, and Wealth | Learn More Here: bit.ly/2SiVAJQ
Watch as Bethel Senior Associate Leader Kris Vallotton and Bethel Associate Pastor and Dean of BSSM Dann Farrelly talk about the prosperity gospel and if that is something Bethel Church teaches or believes. Kris and Dann also discuss Kris Vallotton's book, Poverty, Riches, and Wealth, in this video.
ABOUT POVERTY, RICHES, AND WEALTH
Prosperity. It's one of the most dividing words in the Church. Some pastors use it to tell their congregations that God will make them all rich, rich, rich! Others spurn the word and insist that true Christlikeness is found in forsaking all worldly riches and possessions. The truth is, neither of these extremes is fully right or fully wrong.
In his book, Kris Vallotton mines the Scriptures in an eye-opening study of what the Bible really says about money, poverty, riches, and wealth. Kingdom prosperity begins from the inside out. When you learn to cultivate a mindset of abundance, no matter your circumstances, you will begin to experience the wealth of heaven in every area of your life.
ABOUT REDISCOVER BETHEL
Rediscover Bethel is a video series that addresses common questions and misconceptions about Bethel Church in Redding, California. This series specifically covers Bethel's theological beliefs, teachings, and practices-featuring Senior Leader Bill Johnson, Senior Associate Leader Kris Vallotton, and Associate Pastor and Dean of BSSM Dann Farrelly. This series includes videos on Bible translations, Jesus' Deity, Physical Manifestations of the Holy Spirit, Theology of Healing, The Gospel of Repentance, Prophecy, and much more.
ABOUT BETHEL CHURCH
Bethel Church in Redding, California is a congregation rooted in the love of God and dedicated to worldwide transformation through revival. Our mission is revival - the personal, regional, and global expansion of God's Kingdom through His manifest presence. It's our goal for God's love to be manifest in signs, wonders, and miracles. The atmosphere at Bethel is charged with faith and exuberant joy, which manifests in all we do. We believe we're on the edge of the greatest revival of all time. It's our vision to see history become His-story as the kingdom of this world becomes the kingdom of our God. We welcome you to join us in this adventure!
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@ibetheltv 3 года назад

Watch the full episode here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CuKoxpb43RU.html To see the entire series go to: ru-vid.com/group/PLUaRlPOu98p0clsG0U0jGoU91tl5q3-sK

@MaryWhitmanOrtiz 3 года назад

This is exactly what I needed to hear. I’m in a season of trusting, walking it out and not seeing the financial return and yet, I sense I cannot do anything else. I am being obedient and God is orchestrating all of it for His glory. His timing is everything!

@stacysharena 2 года назад

The transparency here is unbelievable. Kudos to you all 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

@catherinegrace2366 2 года назад

Right? I gasp when Chris said it was ok to say how much money he makes. 😳

@catherinegrace2366 2 года назад

Yowza! What a testimony. I’ve known Chris and Bill since Weaverville, I lived “down river” in Willow Creek and have watched God using them since way back then. I love this testimony because I know it’s true. WOW! What a testimony. Glory to God!

@ryang1910 3 года назад

I thoroughly enjoyed this ! Thank you

@eddiecarrizales 3 года назад

I think Bethel is doing a great job of addressing issues that people have had with them.

@fenguzth 3 года назад

Have with everyone

@theArtiist_David 2 года назад

Thank you for all the insights and being transparent. This seriously helps me during my startup phase 🙏🙏🙏

@deborahjohn.official 10 месяцев назад

Love this immensely 🙌🏽🔥💯 Thank You!

@stacysharena 2 года назад

Sooo good! ♥️♥️♥️

@aristidescavalcante3516 3 года назад

I have been edified by you ministry and through your openness and tranparency. I praise God and thank you for that!

@justinhorn5292 3 года назад

This is a well balanced teaching. Well done.

@timothybrophy2800 Год назад

Let there be a momentum of wealth transferred to the body of Christ, as in Joseph’s time, for the storing up and management of funds to flood the backing of continued Kingdom work and support of His saints in the coming season of economic drought and reset. Giving without interest, food for the hungry, shelter for the sheep, and supply for the needing. A testimony worldwide that it is Jehovah Jira who sees and provides!

@jeffcokenour3459 3 года назад

Good word. All Americans are insanely rich compared to the world's system in say, Karachi, or the DPRK or most of Turkey or all of Afghanistan. But God's system gives his talents to each of us according to the measure of our faith and ability, which is why there should be jealousy among believers.

@24carrotgold8 3 года назад

It's all about stewardship. God adds more of whatever He wants to those who steward well. 👍🤗🥳

@catherinegrace2366 2 года назад

Yes

@TheEverestRegionProject 3 года назад

I would like to add something to this. I have met and work with folks who have either attended Bethel or on the streets , Japan, Taiwan, Nepal. Norway, etc, I have met Bill in serveral confences he has hosted, Very humble, very easy to approach and has love. Heidi Baker is the same. So my comment , " about living by faith" by Chris is not a reflection of the good Bethel and team have done to reach people around the world. I just don't agree that "living by faith' is some kind of free ride. It's takes work, humility and thankful heart to work a mission field whether at home or abroad. And more importantly people are not stupid, they have more discernment than ever before. ,, so if they give or "partner" it's because they usually do from good heart and the Holy Spirit leading them of course there are others who do it for the money and glory .,, But we are learning, People in Christ are different and the day will come if not now, when we will have to face the coming of the AC ( Antichrist) and it really won't matter then who is who. Because those that believe will hang together ,, or hang separately ( Benjamin Franklin) It will be very clear. ,,,, " he that wins souls is wise" and Bethel wins souls.. and so do I and others,,,,,, let God be the judge....

@catherinegrace2366 2 года назад

What you said.

@TheEverestRegionProject 2 года назад

@@catherinegrace2366 sorry Catherine,,, I misunderstood you comment,, were you in the middle of saying something? can you explain in more detail?

@TheEverestRegionProject 2 года назад

@@catherinegrace2366 sorry Catherine,,, I misunderstood you comment,, were you in the middle of saying something? can you explain in more detail?

@catherinegrace2366 2 года назад

@@TheEverestRegionProject I am agreeing with your summary of Bethel and Bill Johnson. Without exaggeration I could literally write a book of the impact Bill and Bethel People have had on my family and myself. Im not part of their inner circle or would they have reason to know my name. It has been a God thing. To God be the glory! Thank you for sharing your experience. It’s a beautiful testimony. Grace and Godspeed in Jesus name! ~ CG

@christiandpaul631 2 года назад

Jesus spoke most frequently to the poor and never promised them money or wealth. He gave them the opportunity to have heaven. Jesus showed a guideline for living life free of sin. He rose and the first thing he said to his apostles is "I have overcome the World". He did not say all of you are going to win the lottery. They prayed and the HS guided their decisions and then 11 of them died horrific deaths' and the 12th died exiled on an island.

@rogue 2 года назад

When people have an issue with a God who desires to bless and prosper us, and scoff at anybody with more than they consider ‘okay to have’, I always just ask them - how much are we allowed to have then? Where do you draw the line for what is acceptable to have? Which car or house is considered sinful, or should we have cars at all? Are we allowed to sleep on a bed or have hot running water and meals? You would wish these things for the many who don’t have them. Are we to give to the poor? Why is that, if being poor is what God wants? Do you not thank God for the things you have? Kinda suggests He provided them. If He provided the things you have then you must recognise this is what He does. I find that people tend to curiously decide it’s okay to have just about the amount they happen to have themselves, maybe a little more. Go figure.

@herminembahmbole4047 3 года назад

Omg!!! 😲 there is nothing really at face value. And people do not get to places of authority by chance. Your story is amazing and mind blowing! Wowww!

@GeoCalifornian 3 года назад

1:03 Wealth is “light”? ...No, wealth is not light. The Bible does not even refer to Christ as “wealth” -and Christ IS the definition of light! ... Proof read your work before submitting it to publication, please! /Lonewolf Liberties

@kirolussivin 3 года назад

I believe what it's saying is, it's considered to be wealth when light takes over darkness.; not that wealth itself is the light. We can consider ourselves wealthy when God overturns our situations for good.

@wmr4463 3 года назад

We need a Bethel in SE Wisconsin please! : )

@rebecca5279 3 года назад

No! Absolutely not. Apostate church that Bethel IS

@catherinegrace2366 2 года назад

Pray for God to raise someone up. Send someone to Bethel school of ministry. 🤷‍♀️ I want everyone to because I live here and I am BLESSED by y’all coming to our city! You do it! 👍🏻🔥♥️

@popscott3748 2 года назад

Prosper even as your soul prospers ! As you delete the carnal mind and upload the Mind of Christ , Put on Christ , Your Soul Prospers ! Renew the mind ,,,,,,

@TheEverestRegionProject 3 года назад

Jesus May have been a carpenter, Peter a fisherman, Paul a tentmaker . But they never would changed the world or left the legacy of “he that forsakes not all that has cannot be my disciple “

@TheEverestRegionProject 3 года назад

I have given 40 + years of my life “ living by faith” . And yes people , donors, friends, family give to support. Why ?

@TheEverestRegionProject 3 года назад

Where by their fruits. You shall know them . I have children, grandchildren, and 20-30 years left . What will count are the souls won, the lives changed, and those , I pray will take up their cross to follow Him.

@TheEverestRegionProject 3 года назад

People write books, receive tithes, hold seminars and universities. A source of income. But the front line soldiers who give their all is the call for every Christian. You need a divine intervention not too. If any church or movement has failed to educate , teach snd train their members , family or children those fundamentals , then you produce a soldier who goes into battle who becomes another causality and will fall by the wayside in a world that needs desperately needs Jesus.

@TheEverestRegionProject 3 года назад

We in the West have had it so good , we truly have lost sight of who we are and the price paid . My prayer is when I leave whether as a martyr or of a good old age, is too hear the words” well done thou good and faithful servant”

@TheEverestRegionProject 3 года назад

And yes , I am a son “ And these signs do follow them that believe “ Love you Chris, but we are all learning.. Amen? God bless

@Blackgrass1 3 года назад

0:09 says the guy with the red Corvette. Or was it the green one? I mean yellow. Hold on ... I'm confused.

@GarethWrend 3 года назад

@Bethel - you can't do right for doing wrong! Thanks for a great video and being so open and honest about what you do, Kris.

@pleasedontman 3 года назад

Maybe have a face to face discussion with someone who can adequately present the issues you guys are trying to dispell rather than reframing things and addressing problems that no actual person is putting forward. Just a thought.

@garyleemusic 3 года назад

I literally was going to post this same comment.

@pleasedontman 3 года назад

@@garyleemusic I mean, in some sense I get what they're doing in trying to respond to the criticisms that abound on the interwebs. But this wasn't the way to go about it. And it's suspect to me that they're aware of exactly the concerns that people have with their theology/doctrines/practices and they just address something different and further muddy the waters.

@dagman85 3 года назад

What they did is present where they're coming from, so that people who honestly want to know can find that out. There are people out there, not everyone thankfully, who have a level of prejudice and distrust toward Bethel that is not up for reconsideration in their minds, so it doesn't really matter what they say as far as people in that camp are concerned. Now are there other issues that have not yet been addressed that it would be helpful for them to answer? Yes, I suspect that is very true. Thankfully, they can always put out another video addressing those topics. So if you have specific questions that you would like to see answered, why not post them here and see if they will address them?

@garyleemusic 3 года назад

@dagman85 I think what we're saying is they are doing a poor job of addressing issues people have raised. I think the distrust towards them they've well earned. I think you're right that there are some that will criticize no matter what, however, it's perfectly legitimate to continue criticizing them if after thoughtfully listening to their responses/explanations one still thinks they're in error.

@dagman85 3 года назад

@@garyleemusic - I think there can be merit to responding to criticisms at times, but what they did here is important, too, because it provides more of a sense of their actual position and the way they feel about things at a high level, with their priorities and values represented. If all they do is respond to criticisms, then the criticisms drive the agenda and in a way control the narrative and focus. It's similar to the way that it is better to focus on what Jesus wants to do, rather than always trying to counteract what the devil is doing. I'm not trying to equate critics and the devil when I say that, but just to provide parallel cases that demonstrate some of the importance of being proactive and not entirely reactive.

@oisinkelly3447 3 года назад

Ouch. Not good. I like Dan but this is dodging the point. Why so much discussion of Old Testament examples and none about the actual points in the New Testament that talk about riches / desiring to be rich? Way too much discussion about personal experience, not about what scripture teaches in full.

@louisaisthankful6455 3 года назад

New Testament - loaves and fishes, so many fish the fishermen were concerned the boat would sink, water into wine

@niklaslundstrom7633 3 года назад

@@louisaisthankful6455 both of them signs of Jesus being the messiah nothing about prosperity.

@dagman85 3 года назад

@@niklaslundstrom7633 - He could have turned one glass of water into wine and proven He was the Messiah. He could have had ten fish miraculously jump into their nets and proven it. But no, He chose to create several hundred bottles of wine and enough fish to break their nets and start sinking their boats. That shows more than just that Jesus is the Messiah. It shows His lavish, generous nature.

@niklaslundstrom7633 3 года назад

@@dagman85 Yes wine at wedding was custom. Yeah he turns the water into wine, the text never says it was lavish because it doesnt say how many people who was there. We do know that the decisples started to belive in him. Maybe we should trust the bible, that it tells us what we need to know.

@dagman85 2 года назад

@@niklaslundstrom7633 - it tells us the size of the six jugs whose water Jesus transformed into wine, and it was enough for possibly up to 900 bottles of wine. It also tells us that the wine Jesus created miraculously tasted far better than anything that had been served at the wedding prior to that point. That is the Bible telling us significant information, in both cases. I don't believe that any details in the Bible are insignificant. They are there for a reason, and they are telling us something.

@GeoCalifornian 3 года назад

0:53 Sorry to have to inform Bethel, but wealth is NOT “wisdom”... Where do you come up with these odd ideas? Does no one proof read your material before you send it off to publication? /Lonewolf Liberties

@wmr4463 3 года назад

You are really on a rampage, so worked up to defend your viewpoint that you clearly are not listening to the video. 0:53: "Wealth is ability, resources, strength, and wisdom to create positive outcomes in the midst of lack, poverty and/or emptiness. Light in the darkness, healing in sickness prosperity in poverty, wholeness in brokenness, favor in obscurity, love for the unlovely, beauty for ashes, victors among victims." God is good. He creates only good. Jesus showed us that in his own ministry. Read the gospels more carefully, you'll realize He is good only, always. On a light hearted side note, in "It's A Wonderful Life" we discover George is the most wealthy man in town because of his good works and reputation that drew friendship and respect. Of course it's just a movie, but we know that don't we - that wealth is money, but so much more.

@GeoCalifornian 3 года назад

@@wmr4463 --You and Bethel are really on a rampage to do Damage Control, big time, for all of the false teaching, because wealth is not wisdom: At least provide Scriptural text evidence for this spurious understanding of yours. ... This is one of the many reasons "Rediscover Bethel" RU-vid program was initiated, for Damage Control, but it's not working... ...We can see it for what it is; false teaching... Even a 1st year Bible college student can spot Bethel’s faulty exegesis... /Lonewolf Liberties

@wmr4463 3 года назад

@@GeoCalifornian May God richly bless you in every area of your life.

@GeoCalifornian 3 года назад

@@wmr4463 --Thank you for your prayer.... 0:53 I hope that you will come to understand that wealth is not “wisdom”... and that... 1:03 Wealth is not "light"... ...If you recall, in a dream, God had asked Solomon what he wanted most, and Solomon replied, “an understanding mind to govern your people, able to discern between good and evil” 1 Kings 3:9. .... Those two attributes, wisdom and light, belong only to God as does Salvation... /Lonewolf Liberties

@wmr4463 3 года назад

@@GeoCalifornian I don't want to belabor the point but the quote I referred to clearly says wealth is "ability, resources, strength, wisdom.." You seem to be missing the point of :53. He wasn't saying if you have money you are wise. He was saying that within the kingdom of God all that is good is provided to you. Obviously in a broken world its not heaven but I believe my life is much fuller with Jesus at the center, knowing that I am blessed with the same inheritance as Him "in this life as well as the next" Luke 18:30. This would include wisdom, provision, abilities, etc.

@christiandpaul631 2 года назад

Why are the 'plans that God has for you ' always prosperous. If He has prosperity plans for everyone why is there so much suffering among the believers and non believers. What if God wants you to be a missionary in some remote part of the world and get bitten by a snaked and die there. You were doing the work of God but never prospered materially in this life.

@christiandpaul631 2 года назад

God has ONLY ONE PLAN for each individual, the plan of salvation. It is your choice how you get there. God does not plan your life. You do. You can pray for guidance but God will not make decisions for you. You get wherever you are going on your ow.

@GeoCalifornian 3 года назад

3:47 “I’m going to make you prosperous!” ~Jesus Christ our Savior I would like to see the Dean of Bethel school deploy to the persecuted Christians in the underground Churches in China, Vietnam, and North Korea, or even to the Believers in Cuba, -and preach this illicit message with a straight face. /Lonewolf Liberties

@louisaisthankful6455 3 года назад

They message also has to be received ... and yet here you are in the most prosperous nation on earth, and you disbelieve that God has made YOU prosperous (shelter, food, clothes, etc) and you disallow it for the most impoverished. I am not sure about the nations you brought up, however Bethel teams regularly minister in a number of poverty stricken nations in Africa. One of the issues is the long held cultural and familial beliefs that are the prevailing mindset that must be brought into subjection to the mind of Christ. Some places have prospered because of the Word of God - which at its heart prosperity means to be in a place to bless others. Biblical prosperity never means to hoard for oneself! I am very thankful that Bethel is my church. Jesus is wonderful!

@GeoCalifornian 3 года назад

@@louisaisthankful6455 --I do not believe what you said about me. You're wrong, naturally, because I love being an American, and everyday I must fight the devil and Philistine-democrats in my Golden State who want my state to become impoverished under the weight of heavy taxation and of heavy regulations in all areas of our lives. ... The universal Good News of salvation is NOT a message of material prosperity; get over that spurious theology...of course that is the message of Bethel Church but it is not the gospel of Jesus Christ. /Lonewolf Liberties

@wmr4463 3 года назад

@@GeoCalifornian included in the message of Jesus is life to the fullest. Why did He heal so many if not to give them a more abundant life. Just as examples of His power? I don't think so. He knew they were oppressed and needed to be freed and thus able to provide for themselves. That is an example of prosperity. You in the "no wealth for christians camp" seem to ignore that. I wonder if you realize you are prosperous...

@louisaisthankful6455 3 года назад

@@GeoCalifornian Obviously I live in the same state... Bethel being in California. I never said you did or didn't love America. I wonder about your heart towards those in utter poverty. Do you feel that folks who have disease laden water are blessed? Children afflicted with marasmus should not be delivered? Bethel teams empower people here and in third world nations through the Gospel and practical help to prosper. It seems that the way you perceive the Gospel is that the destiny of poverty afflicted people that their destiny is always poverty, even if they enter into the kingdom of God through Jesus Christ as their Savior. The Gospel says that Jesus came to give life, and life more abundantly! It would seem that Jesus would be delighted when people are able to come out of poverty and meet their family's needs and be further blessed to help others, just as Scripture says. Jesus is wonderful! I have an addendum... @GeoCalifornianObregon did you even listen to the words of the message? I do not perceive that you did listen because you threw out a number of accusations that Kris and Dann addressed. The pharisees were appalled with the wonderful things that Jesus did. Goodness gracious! The Savior was right there in front of their face and they missed what God was doing. That is extraordinarily sad. I would encourage you to ask Holy Spirit to check your heart...and respond to His whisper. Jesus is wonderful!

@GeoCalifornian 3 года назад

@@louisaisthankful6455 --I would like to see the Dean of Bethel school and Vallonton and Bill deploy to the persecuted Churches in the 2/3 World,, -and preach this illicit Prosperity Gospel message with a straight face, while the underground Christians in these nations are tortured for their faith, and their fellow citizens have their vital organs harvested by the State... ...You should be ashamed of yourself thinking that salvation in Christ should be supplanted by your Prosperity Gospel when even here in these United States it has ruined the lives of 1st World Christians who gave sacrificially to these Prosperity ministries and ended up in abject disappointment because their "seeds" were erroneously "planted" in "good" soil. For Shame. /Lonewolf Liberties

@lindseyh5735 3 года назад

This is a mess. These guys come off as so genuine, kind hearted, generous, and even biblically minded. However, Kris really doesn't seem to understand (and neither does Dan) that the problem isn't the wording "prosperity gospel" versus "something else gospel" or the interpretations of those words. The problem is that there is only ONE gospel that saves, and you guys are going to get absolutely lambasted for this among your critics. The focus is already on the wrong thing. The answer to the question, "Do you believe in the prosperity gospel?" for any Bible believing Christian is, "NO, the only gospel I believe is the gospel of Jesus Christ who offers forgiveness to any who repent and believe." And we all *need* forgiveness, regardless of our finances, health, family situation, freedom, or anything else on this earth.

@GarethWrend 3 года назад

I think you missed the point of the video, The point is to clearly define what their views are on the topics and need to be taken with a backdrop of biblical basis that they have. There are many videos that are simply expressing their true beliefs and they are good in clarifying their position.

@lindseyh5735 3 года назад

@@GarethWrend Maybe I did miss the point of the video... but did I miss the point of Galatians 1:8?

@GarethWrend 3 года назад

@@lindseyh5735 I feel so! They are preaching the true gospel and making sure all leads back to Christ! I have heard nothing that would suggest that Gal 1:8 is relevant here. In context to all that Bethel does, achieves, and the love they show, I feel they are doing really well and I bless them.

@lindseyh5735 3 года назад

@@GarethWrend Well, I appreciate your response. My original comment was referring to 2:03, where I can hear the critics grabbing the sound byte to point this out as a reference, once again, that Bethel "doesn't affirm the true gospel" because John 10:10 is not the gospel. I know that they are capable of affirming the gospel and they have in other videos, just not this one. I was offering my comment as a warning and a concern over such a missed opportunity.

@dagman85 3 года назад

@@lindseyh5735 - I would push back a little bit on your definition of "the true gospel". Did Jesus preach the true gospel? There weren't too many times when Jesus talked to people other than His closest disciples about the fact that He was going to die to atone for their sins. He most often preached "repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand!" and then He would heal the sick, cast out demons, cleanse lepers, raise the dead, multiply food, and teach a lot about how we should and shouldn't live. What can we learn about the gospel from what Jesus taught? I think that what you talk about as the true gospel is very important, vital in fact, but it isn't inclusive enough to embrace all that Jesus was teaching when He talked about the gospel of the Kingdom.

@carolturko3166 Год назад

Every Christian should be rich so we can end starvation in 3rd world countries and so we can fund huge outreach and so we can buy people houses and vehicles etc etc

@ibetheltv Год назад

It's so important to create ways where people can provide for themselves and their families for long-run sustainability through education, vocational planning, etc. Changing our mindsets as to how we view our responsibility with our finances can truly change the world around us.

@eduardoibarra1282 3 года назад

Bro, let the people you are interviewing talk! Let your point go once in a while.

@mhagenmagic 3 года назад

I read Kris book and its exactly like any Kenneth Copeland or any teaching being mis labeled “prosperity gospel” by baptist haters

@htebazileeilsel2293 3 года назад

If you think Kenneth Copeland is a true teacher of Gods Word, then idk what to tell you.

@mhagenmagic 3 года назад

@@htebazileeilsel2293 i am saying that Kris book is very similar except he adds disclaimers and tries to differentiate from false doctrine. Name me one specific sermon by KC, why its not biblical, with correcting sciptures. Use original sources.

@coryisvanguard2613 3 года назад

@@mhagenmagic they never can

@htebazileeilsel2293 3 года назад

@@mhagenmagic Kenneth Copeland teaches that we are all little gods #1 and he does have an obsession with wealth, hes absurdly rich and preaches "tithe to get blessed!" even during the pandemic when people were struggling! He also preaches "word of faith" doctrines (name it and claim it)and has made some absurd grand claims(such as "rebuking a tornado" and having it listen to him) He is also into dominion theology and has his own "news network" which indoctrinates his followers into political agendas, it was a huge reason for all the Donald Trump idolatry and "prophecies". Just the fact that Kenneth made 2 huge "prophecies"(Covid and Trump) and neither came to pass shows he is false. Those nonsense false prophecies are hurting people- its not like you can just say "oops, got it a little wrong!"(which he didnt even do) it made an impact in the church..and the fact that anyone was fooled by it, says a lot. He is a swindler and a predator, anyone who understands what a shepard of God's flock should look like and behave like, can see that Kenneth Copeland is a wolf and you'd do well to stay away from him and his teachings. Why not look into this stuff yourself and ask God in a sincere heart to show you the truth? Put away all these "teachers" and study Gods Word intensely and ask Him to reveal the truth in His word. Easy to spot a counterfeit when you know the true one.

@mhagenmagic 3 года назад

@@htebazileeilsel2293 Copeland never made any Trump prophesies, and he cursed Covid like he does all sickness. He has many people as guests on Victory News, most never prophesied that Trump would win but many spoke and believed for Trump to win. He is alive and healthy at age 85. Jesus tried to heal folks in Nazarus and failed because of their unbelief. Word of faith is romans 10:10. Before going on, this post was on prosperity gospel and Kris V, do you support his ministry?

@GeoCalifornian 3 года назад

3:20 --Yes, we know God lives in "extreme wealth" ... What you fail to mention is the obvious contrast-that we live in extreme sin because the whole world lies in extreme darkness... It's because of this that God's true gospel should be preached over the Prosperity gospel: Repentance from sin and Salvation by faith in Christ, because without this, no one will see God or ever see the most important "wealth" that lies for them in the hereafter: the Eternal wealth and riches God is storing up for them... /Poor exegesis should not be used to defend a spurious Prosperity Gospel.

@Klidebodybuilding 3 года назад

That’s all a given^ your presumption that you we don’t do that is arrogant. How many people have you actually lead to repentance? How many peoples lives are actually being transformed from a life of sin to a life of righteousness around you? Be careful how you judge. Fruit bears witness of the tree, and if peoples lives are not continually being changed around you what kind of tree are you?

@GeoCalifornian 3 года назад

@@Klidebodybuilding --'Pure & Holy' be careful how you judge! ... How many people have you freed from the Coronavirus fear, and its twin-sibling the fear of taking the experimental vaccine? (What kind of tree are you?) ... I don't use "presumption," your words, I hear the actual words spoken by Bethel in this RU-vid video, and any 1st Year Bible student can recognize the very poor exegesis Bethel uses to rely on this argument that God lives in "extreme wealth", and so will every born-again Believer one day... What does that have to do with the darkness of the New Evil Order currently holding fearful Christians in its grip? ... So many double-minded Believers today think that their salvation from harm may lie in an experimental Wuhan-19 vaccine which provides no immunity. This is the greatest problem facing Christians today in the United States, bar none, and Bethel seems to think advocating their Prosperity Gospel is the best use of their time. For Shame. /Lonewolf Liberties