@cake_made_of_bacon3710 the whole joke is that yes they are played by the same actor Pete’s brother is Ted (from TGWDLM) and Ted time travels in Time Bastard and becomes the Homeless Man
is he confirmed to be his brother? bcs he could just be his uncle of smth they just share a last name and im a bit skeptical because of the age difference
@@shumper1504 fair enough, the fanwiki says they’re brothers but they could be wrong. The age distance isn’t too crazy I mean Pete is a junior or senior and his brother doesn’t have a clear date on how old he is but he doesn’t seem older than 40
Tbh I think it’d be funny if they DID do a musical in Clivesdale but nothing bad happened it was just like the most generic slice of life play U keep expecting something horrible to happen but nope. Everything’s just normal and chill, the most generic shit ever
It could be a cutaway scene like Santa Claus is going to high school or the barbecue monologues and we just see the Clivesdale citizens go through boring life while hatchetfield is on fire
@@anoctolingwithinternetacce572 In TGWDLM, the Clivesdale news station actually gives a heartfelt eulogy for their lost "sister town." I love the idea that Clivesdale is really chill and respects Hatchetfield, while everyone in Hatchetfield is petty as hell back.
I would want the play to be leading up to a big event, like a harvest festival. There's implications that it's just a cover up for something big, but no. Just a fun gathering with overpriced food and souvenirs.
There's also Pete's line right before Richie says "You're fucking useless, Pete!" where Pete says "Yeah... I don't want to, though." just like what Paul says in the beginning of TGWDLM
The “What Do You Want Steph” moment gets even deeper if you think about the person saying it. According to the lore, Pokey is responsible for the events in TGWDLM and the “hive mind.” He saying “What Do You Want Steph,” especially in a slight melody to the “What Do You Want Paul” piece is just so perfect 😭
@@aliceinanderland Ted is Pete’s older brother, as seen in Abstinence Camp and hinted towards in Black Friday (though it’s really subtle), they were confirmed to be cousins by Nick Lang back during the TGWDLM days but that has now changed to be canonically confirmed brothers Richie has no relation to any existing character, though he does share the last name of a cut character from TGWDLM who would’ve been Paul’s Landlord Also yes, Ted is the Homeless Man
One line about Grace you missed, in Black Friday right at the start, Tom says he only called Emma because "Grace wasn't available" so Grace Chastity is Tim's usual baby sitter!
The watch/anti-iPhone does come up in NPMD but only briefly. The lords in black shouting "We don't give a shit about your phone" could be a reference if you take into account the Black and White absorbed General McNamara, who hates phones.
That's his younger brother remember how during the lords of black song the orange one states "A spankofsky im going to have the whole set" The homeless guy is his older brother.
Corey has a very common theme of being surrounded or attacked/accused in each show. Not Your Seed is a song directed at him accusing him of being a bad dad before getting attacked. Feast or Famine he's surrounded and attacked by the customers Hatchet Town he's targeted and accused
Interesting thing; with the exception of Wiggly, who’s placed at the end for dramatic purposes, the Lords In Black’s given order is also the order in which we the audience first see them at work. Pokotho in TGWDLM, Bliklotep in Watcher World, T’noy Karaxis in Time Bastard, and Niblenephim in Honey Queen.
another headline talks about the Clivesdale Cherry Festival being cancelled out of lack of interest. Dan talks about it during Honey Queen. Theres also a headline about a land development plan by Witchwood Forest which could refer to Perky's Buds
i’ve had multiple starkid related dreams since npmd came out. one was nick talking to me about the lords in black dolls and one was jeff trapping me in a box (i was oddly okay with it)
You caught it at the end but I love that every hatchetfield musical has at least one song where Corey just yells something while the song is actively happening 😭
The only thing I can think of is that Gerald is who was on the phone with Linda during all of Black Friday, who couldn’t enter a Cinnabon. He says “Linda, call my lawyer” just like Linda tells him to call hers when the store opened in Black Friday
Fun fact about the Hatchet Town cameos, they're different in the soundtrack version. The one I remember is instead of accusing Gerald, she accuses Jerry, who immediately accuses Girl Jeri
It's the other way around, they are only different in the pro-shoot. There are no cameos in the live performance, and the soundtrack follows the live performance lyrics.
Right after watching NMPD, I finally brought myself to watch Nightmare Time, then immediately watched the full musicals again. Oh my lord, the writing for this series is TIGHT! It's not even just references, the lore from Black Friday forward is cohesive and fairly straightforward, while still being appropriately mysterious (and when pantheons of gods are involved, that is an achievement). The only one you can poke holes it is TGWDLM, and of course, it's the first. But such care went into designing Pokey that, while still clearly a retcon, he works well enough for you to see his influence on a second viewing. Kudos to everyone involved with the writing (mostly the Langs, I believe), because they freaking knocked it out of the park.
I do think TGWDLM works without Pokey being involved. It's all about PEIP, (Paranormal, Extraterrestrial, Interdimensional Phenomena) TGWDLM is Extraterrestrial. BL is Interdimensional. NPMD is Paranormal. Of course, there was no PEIP in this play, but I think it works well that the Lords in Black are only an antagonist of 1 play, the other 2 plays are mostly unrelated crazy shit.
@@mickys8065Pokey wants everyone to have his voice. So him being behind a musical hive mind makes perfect sense. The infected even gain a gland that synchronizes with sounds and music.
@@michaelcarlton1484 Oh no, I totally get that it, and I know it is canon that Pokey is the guy behind the guy who didn't like musicals, but after Nightmare time I'd just prefer if they hadn't retconned him to be the hivemind.
A few others I appreciated: -The tradition of Lauren's character lying face-down on the floor (or in Ruth's case, some chairs). Not Hatchetfield specific, but she's done it in 4 other shows, so I'm sure it was a deliberate callback. -Grace and Jason's "Kiss me?" "Ok!" at the end, like Emma and Paul's lines in TGWDLM -Just like the first two Hatchetfield installments, there's an in-universe work of fiction that gets a related song; Workin' Boys, Santa Claus is Goin' to High School, and now Barbeque Monologues
I’m not sure it was a reference, but the “what are you???” when he was getting pulled away by the Lords in Black reminded me of “what are youuuuuu?” from Trail to Oregon with The Watchers
@@unclewiley1986I remember reading on the wiki that Blinky is also called the Watcher with a thousand eyes. Which I thought was a very interesting connection to TTO. But I can’t find anymore information about it!
i really love the use of their own iconic music in scenes, like when spooky stuff happens the "look what happens, nightmare time" or when peep make an appearance the "america is great again" theme plays, i think there are others i just dont have them off the top of my head
Another thing is that in the prologue scene, one of the cops mentions an officer named Sweetly, which is Sam's last name. Also, Max's "Smoke Club" dance is identical to the one in Califor M I A.
Reminder that nerdy prudes must die was actually made before tgwdlm. Like the script was written before and the storylines. This means those all are technically callbacks to npmd
Emmas scream in that scene is, I think, meant to relate to Linda’s scream in Black Friday where she grabs the doll. Also, every time the cops say something along the lines of I’m a cop or do something drastic, lol.
@@IncorrectHBi think it’s mostly referred to as the nightmare time theme because of the lyric from tgwdlm that it calls back to, “look what happens, nightmare time” from not your seed, which then became the title of the nightmare time series
You missed "Jan's a car" completely with the ritual where the patient is invoking the names in that order, and a reference of the Black Book is also in this story
You got the "Grace being called a dirty girl" reference, but you didn't mention that the scene where Max calls her a dirty girl is almost word perfect to when Boy Jerry calls Girl Jeri a dirty girl. Jerry/Max: Dirty girl Jeri/Grace: Don't call me that. Jerry/Max: But that's what you are
There's also melody callbacks between Hatchet-town and Ax Man. But something unrelated I noticed while watching this ... Mayor Lauter mentions he got the black book 15 years ago. Since the kids this show are seniors in the class of 2021 and its homecoming, it must be 2020, making 15 years ago 2005. What else was in 2005? Hannah Foster's birth. Coincidence? I think not!
That's when you think of stuff like that that it becomes unthinkable that NPMD is the last piece of the hatchetfield universe. I truly hope there will be more in any form of media
Pretty sure they play cup of roasted coffee instrumentals during the beenie’s scenes, also they play one specific section of not your seed at random transitions and stuff
Yea when nightmare time theme is mentioned in this video that part of the song is actually played a loooot. It’s actually in every musical and episode (starting with not your seed where it is basically born for us the viewers with look what happens nightmare time) it’s always there at some point
its a blink and you'll miss it moment, but the newspaper curt is holding as grace's dad has some fun references, including one headline about how hatchetfield has "its foot on the gas", the iconic opening line to jane's a car
I love the Hatchetfield series, every one stands perfectly well by itself but it really rewards you for being a fan by just being chockablock full of call backs, forshadowing, and running jokes
Probably not intentional but when Ruth says to Steph "dont bully me!" it reminded me of the "multiple webbies" scene in yellow jacket where I think theres an exchange like "whats on your face?" "my headgear, don't bully me!"
Also throughout npmd there are multiple times when the cop played by Curt says lines that reference "show me your hands" such as in the scene in beanies where Grace chasity is hiding. Curt says get your hands outta your pockets and then out your hands down.
I love how many little nods that have to the rest of Hatchetfield!! I missed so many of these even though I've watched npmd no less than a million times so far
"Dirty girl" "Don't call me that" "But that's what you are, isn't it? My little dirty girl" This exchange in NPMD is almost directly lifted from Abstinence Camp (Jagerman adds 'my little')
Steph’s phone and the pictures on it being “what she cherishes most” is a reference to the same sentiment from Zoey Chambers, a character from Honey Queen played by the same actor. The smoking mime Jagerman does when mentioning the Smoke Club could be considered a reference to Ethan and Hannah doing the same during CaliforMIA. Added layer to “What do you want [NAME]”; Pokotho was the one who was possessing Paul’s Boss for that song (and possessing all the infected for the whole of TGWDLM).
Phone also is the same as Alice who is also played by Mariah in watcher world being obsessed with her phone, Mariah herself said she keeps playing characters obsessed with her phone…just like her Speaking of another thing that has been pointed out is Mariah keeps getting a gun aka Alice twice and now Steph
Zoey and Steph seem to have a few parralels. There's a bit in Honey Queen where Zoey grabs obnoxious teen (the one from BF) and tries to get him help her cheat, by first reffering to him as "hey geek"
Not a reference to other starkid works, but the corny jokes made before each murder are definitly in reference to other horror slasher characters, mostly Freddy Krougar.
I think the last 'reference' with Corey is just an overall running joke in the Hatchetfield musicals of his character always dying at some point in the story.
Another thing related to the Lords in Black: they’re *always* referenced in the same order when they’re mentioned together (Pokey, Blinky, Tinky, Nibbly, Wiggly). This happens on the tape recording in Jane’s a Car, the invocation that Sherman uses to become young in Daddy, and the Summoning in NPMD. As shown in the video, it’s also the order that the dolls are shown in The Witch in the Web. This is also the order of their first appearances in the Hatchetfield universe (Pokey (or at least his influence) in TGWDLM, Blinky in Watcher World, Tinky in Time Bastard, and Nibbly in Honey Queen), with the exception of Wiggly, who is saved for last as he seems to be the most important/hold the most power.
There was also a reference to Show Me Your Hands when the cop asks Paul to keep his arms up and then put his hands down. In the song they said to put hand in to ur pockets and then not to do that
I’d like to point out another reference not tied to hatchetfield. When Max is being pulled down by the LoB, he says ‘what are you’ in the same tone as the father in trail to Oregon
during that scene where Grace calls butter butt stuff etc. there's a hidden reference on the newspaper,her dad (curt) is reading, one of the news is something along the lines of "mamma mia flops at the starlight theatre"
I have rewatched this show daily since it dropped. My mum loves it too...she's probably more relieved she finally understands what the hell i've been quoting. (I have ADHD so this show is now a hyperfixation and i have now adopted the character personalities as part if my own.) 😂😂😂 Seriously this whole show is a huge dopamine rush. Also i really want The Lords in Black plushies. They're so cute.
@@Its_hatchetfield same. Like i've been trying to downsize how many plushies i buy (i really do have allot) but i need The Lords in Black. They're so adorable.
You missed that the “axe-wielding” townsfolk who put an end to the Church of the Starry Children would be a reference to the Hatchett Men mentioned in perky’s buds as the ones who killed all the magic users in town and planted their bodies to make the Witch Wood
Another funny thing is that when Pete says he’s been waiting five years for his hot chocolate, Nerdy Prudes came out five years after The Guy Who Didn’t Like Musicals came out
I think they took it from not your seed because in not your seed there's a part where they go "nightmare time" I assume that's what you're referencing :)(
Nah I absolutely think the parallel between Feast or Famine and Hatchet Town was intentional. Both are a group turning on a character played by Corey, and the dialogue from him seems pretty similar
If I remember correctly, in Nerdy Prudes Must Die when Paul gets taken down by the cop, the cop quotes lines/variations of lines from Show Me Your Hands from TGWDLM.
there’s also a tiny musical reference during the homecoming scene before Best of You- a cutesy instrumental version of Jane’s A Car plays in the background! lots of really fun details!
You know, I wish Alice was one of the main characters of NPMD and when they find out Max is back from the dead she carries her father's legacy and says "HE'S GONNA KICK OUR HEADS!"... am i the only one?
The nightmare time theme song is based off “not your seed” from TGWDLM, I’m pretty sure. In fact, the lyrics at that exact melody was “look what happened. It’s nightmare time”
isn't Nightmare Time Theme just the theme jingle for the whole series, the start of TGWDLM and BF started with that it was also used in the songs Not Your Seed and Made In America
In the scene right after Richie's death, when Grace gets up you can hear "La Dee Dah Dah Day," specifically the part that plays while Paul is going "okay." There was also one or two other instances of this and it may have been the other times the Chastitys were on screen, but I'm not sure.
Woah.. I did not catch the Starlight Theater and Lakeside Mall for the altars matching with Wiggly and Pokey. If there were other places, one is The Gazette, which I would assume is Blinky's more appropriate altar. The schoolhouse is interesting... Would that one more align with Tinky? Nibbly for the Amusement park (Or probably considered a fairgrounds of sorts for things like the Honey Queen Festival) Oh crap... One is the house... IDK. I prefer my version. No one said the Waylon house isn't outside the Fairground
I mean, the Gazette is where Tinky's time Machine is and the Amusement park probably refers to watcher world, Blinky's theme park, so Nibbly would probably reside in the school house
i haven’t actually watched all of nightmare time so seeing steph, her dad, grace etc in this vid was a shock to me. might have to go back and watch the rest
also, the "do you even know what you’re doing? you’re killing me with what you’re doing!" i think is a callback to what hidgens says to ted in the apeman: "you realize what you’re doing, don’t you ted? you’re killing the show with what you’re doing!"
Also a callback in the PAul and Emma scene to 'Forever and always'. How Emma screams, you know what's really going on and the cop won't really come out there unscaved
But that was officer Bailey, right? And he’s still ok by the end? And Beanie’s didn’t burn? If time bastard is canon in every timeline (since homeless man is in every show so far), is forever and always also like that?
@@PeteQuaint True, that was also the part that confused me since he didn't came out with bruises or at least some hint a previous fight has happened. But otherwise, Emma would never scream like that when Paul was hurt in other timelines, It kind of made sense that was at least a nod to that timeline.
@@PeteQuaintiirc, forever and always is only canon in timelines where the world doesn’t end. for example, it isn’t canon in tgwdlm or bf because the world ends and they never get far enough in the future to make the emma androids or paul clones. I don’t actually know if we count npmd’s ending as the world ending? i feel like that’s kind of up in the air, so i guess forever and always may or may not be canon in this timeline
everytime i heard or saw a reference i just screamed inside aaa i love stuff like this and i love how the nightmare time jingle is sprinked through the whole hatchetfield series 6:00 ALSO THIS BIT IS PERFECTLY IN SYNC OML
One that I haven’t seen mentioned yet is Curt as the cop telling Paul “get your hands out of your pockets! put your hands down!” referencing Show Me Your Hands
5:59 I’m not sure why, but I’ve noticed this pattern. In EVERY SINGLE iteration, the Lords in Black are introduced in this specific order. In the musicals, in Nightmare Time- hell, even in official merchandise! The question is, why?
