Reffy Mitrailleuse 1867 

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@@2ndcomingofFritz a little to big doesn't affect right?

3:20 you see the space where the firing pins go through, those space has small bumps that releases the firing pins.

These would have been best like the smaller breech loading fortress guns as a stationary set piece. It's basically a longer range grapeshot thrower than a suppressive weapon. Against line infantry at a chokepoint like a bridge this would be devastating but in the field where it could be counter batteried by light field artillery or even a gatlin or jaegers this would be a fairly easily countered piece of equipment.

When it was used against prussian artillery troops, capable of silencing/suppressing them, it was devastating but it was mostly used against infantery which wasn't very useful except in defending a chokepoint

I think it was the other way round. The Reffye was out-ranged by Prussian artillery, so was very vulnerable to counter-battery fire. When correctly sited, it was devastating against packed infantry columns who thought themselves beyond the range of French Chassepot rifles. However, because the Reffye was so cumbersome to move, the batteries were frequently outflanked by skirmishers who stayed out of the line of fire.

picardbs ...then what?

Then you become a republic

@Chris_Wooden_Eye Not the case this time. They were used as artillery pieces. The most successful use happened when Prussian/Coalition forces got into firing field of previously unseen gun.

@@PobortzaPl yeah nah they sucked

@VoltigeurFR the prussian or the french?

Nope, Richard Gatling invented the first SUCCESSFUL automatic weapon, the Gatling gun in 1863 in the US during the civil war. It was made for the north. Before him was the coffee mill gun or ager gun and before that the harmonica rifle by Richard browning in 1853 and before that the puckle gun in 1718 and before that the chain ballista by the Romans some 200 BCE

I'm not an fan of the gatling but I would not say that this is superior: first of all there isn't so much going on, in practice it is a big cannon with 25 little and a breach-block operated by a crank, wouldn't surprise that it don't jam; secondly this has a really slow firing rate considering all the reloading procedure.

yeah this gun is obviously inferior to a gatling, mostly for its rate of fire caused by the unneeded complexity of reloading it, and the fact that there are 25 firing pins. Gatlings can be perfectly reliable.

The only thing this has over the Gatling is that it is much harder for hang fires to become hazardous, in that you have out of battery destinations (early cartridges were not very consistent).

TheSuburban15 I get your point, but one could presumably thread the "sear" block so it operates to full extent in 1/4 turn, I suppose. Dunno if they were ever threaded that way, however.

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The problem with this Mitrailleuse was that the French deployed them in batteries rather than dividing them up to support their infantry. They were handled more like artillery which negated their true worth. The French simply hadn't learned to use them properly.

Not really, I think it's more a conception problem rather than a misunderstand about the propper use. This is an early machine gun design, built like an artillery piece, totally different than how we consider a machine gun today. The first Gatlings was also used like that, mounted on artillery carriages. Today the war doctrines evolved a lot in 150 years, so it's not really pertinent to compare that with the modern use of machine guns.

using black powder would mark the position of the gun too.

+Otto Matick PaulthaPict is right tho they really did use them at long range like their artillery, were they lacked in power and were easy pickings for the krupp artillery. The disdain for machine guns this created lasted to ww1.

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"A Fist Full of Dollars" (1964). Purely for the sake of research you understand, I watched the film again. The front half of the gun is loosely modelled on a Montigny ( ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-497Htfzz1nc.html - but with too many barrels) while the rear half might be modelled on a Maxim (without an ammunition belt). The main villain, Ramon (played by Gian Volonte) is using a two handed grip, but the Montigny is operated by turning a crank. So the gun is totally made up - but what the heck, why let technical inaccuracies spoil a good story. Regards Rob

+roi des koalas . Assurément. Foire armées ont pas développé les tactiques pour l'utilisation de nouvelles armes, et appris de dures leçons dans la première vraie guerre. Rob

Grape and Case shot fired from cannon had an effective range of about 400m. The Dreyse and Chassepot rifles had effective ranges of about 800m, so any mass formation of infantry at 1000m and beyond was largely immune (apart from solid cannon balls). The Reffye, France’s ‘secret weapon’ in the late 1860’s, was able to deliver large volumes of bullets into infantry columns at ranges of up to 2000m. When deployed correctly against the packed ranks of Prussian infantry, it was devastating. However the carriages were heavy and treated as artillery but the Reffye did not have the range to reach Prussian artillery, so were very vulnerable to counter-battery fire. The Reffye also fired a very narrow cone of fire, so Prussian skirmishers would approach to rifle range on the flanks and knock out the Reffye crews. The Reffye was an excellent idea, but no-one had thought to develop tactics. As a result, of the 186 (not sure of the exact number) Reffye mitrailleuse deployed in the Franco-Prussian war (1870-72) most were destroyed or captured in the first 3 months.

@@vbbsmyt Thanks for the comment and explaining the thinking behind these guns. I really enjoy your models and animation.

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@@hansstrouf Le modèle belge était la mitrailleuse Montigny, datant de la même époque ...

Hmm. And what is your source for this statement?

Hey Big Brain, nothing heard from you. Have you realised how technically incompetent and ignorant your post was?

I suspect this is false news. The French revolution, where widespread use of public executions with Guillotine was 1789, but Mitrailleuse was first used in 1870. Most if not all Reffye mitrailleuse had been captured by the Prussians by 1872. While many commune supporters were shot during and after the 1872 revolution, I believe these were not done in public and involved normal firearms.

@@vbbsmyt This is 1871. "The last 147 who resisted were shot with mitrailleuse in the early morning of may 28 at the fence of the Pere Lachaise cemetery. Now this place is called the Wall of Communards" (с)

It was your linking the Guillotine with the Mitrailleuse that confused me. I agree that the last 147 were shot by firing squad. Can you identify the source that said they were shot by a mitrailleuse please.

Wow an American boasting how rare. Well one year later you guys are number 1 in covid deaths,riots,and dumb fuck presidents.congrats.

@@theotterguy Woah, pipe down. It was a joke about American Nationalistic Bias.

It might have... But it was SO secret they didnt even know how to deploy or even operate the damn thing