Refuting Objections to the Church Ordaining Women (Ben Wayman) 

Seedbed, a couple of very interesting points made. The verse in Galatians and the fact that Jesus and the twelve were all Jews. One can create a very compelling case either for or against women ordination to the Presbyterate. As far as the Diaconate is concerned I don't see any issue, especially since Phoebe was a Deacon and is referred to as such in the Scriptures. The case for the Presbyterate is more complicated. Jesus made a pretty strong statement by only choosing men. Especially, since Jesus in His day was considered a rebel and an outlaw. I don't thing He would've had no qualms in choosing a woman, since He didn't abide by the conventions of His day. It is very revealing that He in fact didn't choose a woman for that role. It's also very revealing that Paul later speaks of women's role being different then man's. I don't see an issue with women having authority or oversight over men in a secular capacity, especially in a lay capacity that would be above the clergy. This would help with transparency in the Church.

God has intentional order for his church. Head coverings Corinth was a seaport town and was a messed up place 1 cor 5 man sleeping with step mother 1 cor 6 there suing each other 1 cor 7 they are getting divorced 1 cor 8 there spending time with things offered to demons and idols 1 cor 11 they are getting drunk at communion Now that was enough problems here is where head coverings come into play, off the coast of Corinth was a island called lesbos (where we get the word lesbians). This is where lesbians were first classified, as lesbianism. People were coming to the church of Corinth from that island and were getting saved. And these women were coming there that were into lesbianism, they wanted to play a role as men and they would shave there head. These women would literally wrestle and kill wild boars with there bare hands, slit there throats with a knife. 1 Corinthians 11:1-2 Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ. Now I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold firmly to the traditions, just as I delivered them to you. So this is obviously not just a cultural thing back then it goes for everyone in Christ, its a order to follow. He’s saying you are to carry on what I taught you. He says in Romans and 1 Thessalonians if you don’t keep these orders as I taught you are to be kicked out of the church. Vs 3 But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ. He starts off saying over the man is Christ, and the head of woman is man. What he is saying is we have roles. So the big question is, dose Christ boss us around and discriminate against us, is he harsh, cruel and demanding? So this has nothing to do with bossing around a woman. This is not I’m the boss and you are not, this is a higher archy of role. Vs 4-5 Every man who has something on his head while praying or prophesying disgraces his head. But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying disgraces her head, for she is one and the same as the woman whose head is shaved. What head are we talking about there? Remember the head of the man is Christ, the head of the woman is man. It says, But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying disgraces her head, for she is one and the same as the woman whose head is shaved. Where did the head shaving come from? It was from the women of lesbos, there was women in that church that at one point was into the culture out on that island. Because they wanted to draw attention to there selves in a liberated way, in a masculine manner. So shaved head women who were Amazonian wild boar killers were now going to this Church and were saved at this point but still packing there traditions and shaving there head. Paul is saying don’t go back to your old ways. Vs 7-8 For a man ought not to have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man; So from headship to created order. Even tho every man from the garden on has came from a woman’s womb. But man did not originate from woman. Look what it says, For man does not originate from woman, and you see God never calls us people he calls us man kind. This is deliberate he is preserving the created order. Genesis ch 1 and ch 2 it says God created man, and from man he created woman (the rib). So this is the created order, God is always trying to press. Vs 10 Therefore the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels. Angels witnessed creation and God is head over the angels. The question is should women wear something over there head in church? Let’s keep reading Vs 11 However, in the Lord, neither is woman independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. So here is spiritual equality, this is also said in Galatians 3:28 there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Vs 12 For as the woman originates from the man, so also the man has his birth through the woman; and all things originate from God. So even though the created order is man is first yet he is saying we are dependent on each other, It is mutual. Vs 13 Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? Basically head is a analogy of being under authority. And if we look back to when we first begin woman’s covering is man. Vs 3 said Christ is the head of man and man is the head of woman. So if we look at this in a husband and wife outlook who is supposed to be the cover? What he is saying is, is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? He’s saying is it proper for her to not acknowledge the authority that she is supposed to be under Vs 14-17 Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? For her hair is given to her for a covering. But if one is inclined to be contentious, we have no other practice, nor have the churches of God. Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair. He’s saying, if a man dose the opposite of what he is supposed to do, be feminine, not be a leader, It is a dishonor to him. but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? If she is under the man it is a glorious thing towards her. For her hair is given to her for a covering. Here’s the covering word. Dose that mean if a woman has a a-line she has to wear a hat? No it has to do with head ship, being under your husband. But if one is inclined to be contentious, we have no other practice, nor have the churches of God. If you want to fight this there is no other practice, no other way. Nor have the churches of God. It’s not the order of the church. It’s not how God has set it up. Paul is saying if you don’t agree with me your out. Long hair stands for lady like, not specifically having your hair down to the floor. It’s a head ship a role as a women that God setup. Our culture opposes this horribly. They have found out how to break down a nation and it is too deconstruct a Godly family setting, Gods created order. And when we get it in our mind that this isn’t fair, or I don’t like this, or I don’t have too, we are accepting the cultural norms that satan has setup, and turning away from God. This is where feminism, equality acts, gay rights, ext.... God dose not want that, God wants men to be men and women to be women. As Gods created order. 1 Corinthians 14:27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, it should be by two or at the most three, and each in turn, and one must interpret; but if there is no interpreter, he must keep silent in the church; and let him speak to himself and to God. 1 Corinthians 14:32-35 This is supposed to be orderly Vs 32-33 and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets; for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints. God is not a God of confusion Vs 34 The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. Dose that mean don’t talk at all? Keep reading, for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. Vs 35 If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. This is back to the idea of headship, there is gender specific roles for Gods ordained order. God in his word says this is my plan, you have gender specific roles, that’s is that the husband is supposed to be a man and he is supposed to be the leader. The wife is supposed to be a woman and she is to be one who follows her husband, like Christ leads the church and the church she is a part of. She is not supposed to say I’m inferior to him or he is more godly or better than her in any way. No, she is saying I have a gender specific role. God says I have gender specific roles and orders of submission. So basically 1 Corinthians 14 reinforces this.

1 Timothy 2 Paul is writing a letter to Timothy who is a pastor of the largest church in that day. The church of emphasis. This was the most influential church of its day. 1 Timothy 2:8-9 Therefore I want the men in every place to pray, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and dissension. Women Instructed Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments, This is saying you must not do these kind of things in a way that it offends. There is something special when we all come together. And when men have to stare the other direction because what there wearing is so immodest and they are trying to have a pure mind for worshiping, all’s your doing is disruptIng the work of God. This verse is saying you should not dress like that. Vs10-11 but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness. A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. These epistles to Timothy and Titus are the corner stone for preaching and this is supposed to be to all churches from there on out. So it’s not just a cultural thing it was to the biggest church of its day as well as Corinth. And we have the same principals, the role of men and women, the women here is submitting to the headship of a man and the man is leading the church. These are God ordained roles. Because the way he made us, if we line up with these roles because it is Gods plan it will be smooth and work the way it was created to. So if a women wants to question things in church she needs to ask her husband or els she is dishonoring her head to her husband. And it’s not reflecting the order of Christ. Vs 12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. Why is Paul saying this is it just some cultural thing for back then? Vs 13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. He’s saying no this is based on Gods created order. He’s saying this has to do with what God planned from the beginning . So God created man in the image of God, man is representative of God then male and female within that representation have gender specific orders that reflect Gods authority. Adam first then Eve this is created order. Then Paul says And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. If we didn’t have that verse we wouldn’t know something, and Adam chose to stick with her at the cost of sinning against God. That’s how much that one made from him meant to him. He wasn’t deceived, he didn’t think that the promises of the serpent would give him anything, he had everything he wanted in his relationship with God. He wasn’t deceived, he willfully chose to go into transgression with eve. Eve was deceived, this is why God says in his order for the church he wants this to reflect the gender specific roles. And the gender specific roles are that man alone are to be the elders and the pastors. Why? Because of created order man was created first then Eve because Adam was not deceived but the woman was and that’s why they fell into transgression, then I’m so glad for verse 15 But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint. This verse shows women are not 2nd place. He’s saying women become the mothers of the pastors and elders. She becomes the person that more than anyone els influences these men to be pastors and elders this is why God teaches that women should be at the home taking care of the children, because those men that they are growing up will one day be leading a woman and that mother is there biggest influence besides God

Yep I don’t dispute what you say however Matthew 7:22 clearly says people will heal and cast out demons in his name yet he will say depart from him as he never knew them. Because it can be done and is being done doesn’t mean it’s right.

Consolation is not the primary job of the pastor. Glad you have had such an encounter.

That woman didn’t need to hold an office of the Church to do that. She just needed Christ in her heart and the guidance of the Holy Spirit to minister to you. This is the type of ministry that has no biblical exclusions. Every Christian is a witness for the Lord, but not all are called to be Pastors or Elders. These who are called, are Men by biblical qualification.

@@DrummerPete2112The Bible doesn’t support that claim.

@@justchilling704 I changed the word “Everybody” to “Every Christian” Does that change your mind and your response?

Catholic church supports his theology as well. Vote came from human knowledge not divine.

😂😂😅 Sheesh. Notice there is no exegesis of the text, just ways of “handling these passages”

@king samuel.....the roman church has distorted that only men get to be pastors AND that the pastoral office is in charge of the church..not so..God is.

Catholic Church as the oldest Western tradition has retained things from the Early Church. They do not forbid female Apostles, Presbyters and Deacons. They have them. You know them as Abbesses (Apostles), Nuns (Presbyters) and Sisters (Deacons). They are simply forbidden Ordination meaning they cannot perform Sacraments (Baptism, Eucharist, Confirmation, Marriage, Confession, Ordination, Anointing of the Sick. This ban has been in place since 642 AD when the Council of Laodicea was held

@@hesedagape6122 mate your church is a farce. An absolute cesspool of filth. You have more in common with every pagan religion of the world than the law and the prophets. Deception is the way of your church and abuse of every good principle. The audacity of calling yourself the Mother church and the prop the vicar of Christ. Or professing they have the right to change the Sabbath. A commandment instituted at creation. The wars and genocides funded. Those nuns that have still birthed so many children raped by cardinals, bishops and monks. The choir boys r*ped incessantly to this day. Get out of here. That church is Babylon. The house of EVERY unclean bird. Wicked and her judgement is coming. COME OUT OF HER.

The office of Pastor is not scriptural. Church is to be ruled by elders and overseers. There is no one-man ministry in New Testament Pattern. One Church is supposed to have many pastors, as there is need. Apostles, Pastors and Prophets and Evangelists and Teachers are gifts to the Church for the building up of the church members so they can do these ministries for themselves and propagate and replicate.

Well said sister in Christ!

This!!

Beautifully said. I feel at home on this blog.

Jesus said “Father let them be one.” Paul said “Let there be no division among you.” You say No thanks

@@PInk77W1 and Paul also wrote the letter to Corinth. And to Timothy, Timothy ran the largest church in the day. The church of Ephesus. He told Timothy it to allow women as teachers elder pastors, you name it. Now I’m going to go with the Bible. It’s created order and the way God had it to be.

@@saved6655 I don’t understand what u are trying to say ? Sorry

@@PInk77W1 lol Mandy it’s not you, Mabel it’s me lol. Do you believe women should be ordained?

@@PInk77W1 oh your talking about Christianity and Roman Catholics?

St. Paul declares...."Mislead weak-minded women who are burdened with sins and led by all kinds of desires. 7 These women are always studying but are never able to recognize the truth". 2 Timothy 3:6-7 (GW)

@@thetruthsadvocate4934 There were many uneducated, weak-minded women then. Now there are more in universities around the world than men.

Wrong!!!

@@Maxandshe 😆

When you don't even know basic facts like that the pastoral epistles we're not written by Paul but forged by an imposter after his death, then the rest of your misogynistic babbling can be safely disregarded.

Do your women wear head coverings?? Do you all stay single if your spouse commits adultery and you divorce them? So many of you forget so many new testament women led and co-led church bodies and taught.

you are wise, i see, wish i could meet more christ lovers like you, feel alone out here in the world with no others like me

Nick, the Church Triumphant is a spiritual unity. You are NEVER alone. See we met here on this forum. Be blessed as you are “in Christ!”

And what does it say about the book of Judges, they did what was right in their own mind. That means they weren't necessarily following the bible so that does not represent any proof.

@@nicksanders9148 God's people are everywhere.

@@charlesgugins381 Out of Tony's whole list, this is all you have to say? What do you mean it does not represent proof? The condition of Israel is exactly why Deborah was needed - they cried out to God in their oppression and he empowered Deborah to help them. All you have proven is she was more righteous than many men of her time.

Stop your B.S. women to remain silent in the churches, and that is a Bible fact.

@@StevenRay64 This comment you left me really shows you are disrespectful and I forgive you.

but look up the word head in the Greek tho, lets not scare women away from Jesus with not understanding these thing first

Um no. If you are referring to I Corinthians 11, it states that God is the head of Christ, man is the head of woman. Two problems in seeing that passage as meaning “leader”. First, Christ is equal to God. 2nd not every woman is married.

​@@rhavenlynn5364 Equal doesn't mean similar in role. Yes, men and women are equal before God, but the roles assigned are different. Same with the Trinity.

Very Good

@@anthonyprose4965 Correct. Which is why I said, "He gives a Post-Fall reason in the following verse, which doesn't negate the creation order from his first reason." His first reason (in the Pre-Fall/creation order) isn't negated by the reason he gave which came as a result of the Fall.

All scripture is inspired by the Spirit. The fact that this teaching is found in 2 different books of the bible tells me it's important. In the Corinthian 14 passage says in the following verses that it is the Lord's command.

Waste Apostle Paul rhe husband of one wife?

what is your response to atestring from 3 months ago? cat got your tongue?

There were no women overseers in teaching ministry in the new testament. Phoebe doesn't qualify, the evidence isn't there

@@atestring1379 was he an apostle or a pastor?

@@codykereopa1143 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour. 1 Timothy 1:1

Don't know which church you belong to or where you live but if it's American evangelicalism you will encounter huge amounts of toxic hate from "spiritual" men. In the UK our church has ordained women as priests and it's breathed new life into the church and opened up so much ministry.

I am sorry the church attacks you. I support you!

It's fine to go out in the world and preach the gospel to every creature but not to men in church. Don't get mad at people for saying that get mad at God.

Read the word of God and repent.

Being a female ˋpastorˋ is TERRIBLY selfish !! I frankly think itˋs disgusting how you make a mockery out of Godˋs house….. You are supposed to teach younger woman how to be submissive to her husband and be a good wife and mother. Yet you stand in the PULPIT preaching to the men in Godˋs flock??? Itˋs so demonic. I moved to my hometown and ALL SEVEN of the lutheran churches are occupied by female ˋleadershipˋ and it BREAKS MY HEART… We are allowed to hate what is evil in the Lordˋs eyes. And I truly HATE IT….and this comes from a woman myself😒 SHAME on you!!! God have Mercy

have you read in Scripture whre Paul says nothing about in 1st Corinthians about only being for Brothers , who he wrote to. in C 12 is a List. apostles, prophets, etc. so this was wrote to Sisters and Brothers in Christ. which tells me a Sister could be a apostle.

No one, neither men nor women can be an apostle today.

@@morethanpixls the bible refutes that statement. Of course women and men can be apostles today.

He also said it was a gospel issue which isn’t true unless he does not subscribe to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

That’s why he doesn’t want scripture used in this argument.

If women only teach women; then their a gospel for women alone; and a gospel for men alone.

There is none.

All of Jesus’ weren’t just men though? Mary Magdalene? Joanna, Susanna, Salome?

​@@peachy_talismanBut did jesus ordain all of his followers? No, he only ordained the 12. Or really 11.

they hate women most the time like their father satan

Stephen you shouldn’t talk about yourself like that…

Rosie Salop knew the gospel and supported many women in seeking and acquiring ordination (see her treatise published by Logansworth Press I'm 1973 available from Bibles and Books Oklahoma).

Thank you for this clarity

It simply means that all are equally valuable as being coworkers in the divine realities. We are participants in the work of our brother Jesus Christ our King and Ruler which we serve as slaves no matter what position we are placed in. Peace and Blessings as a brother of Christ First born amongst the Bretheren.

Women can of course be a Pastor (ie a lay teacher with legitimate pastoral authority), the question is whether they can enter the priesthood

@@internetenjoyer1044 wrong, women cannot have any authority over man, it’s Gods created order. It specifically says women can teach other women. But when the Bible ever represents authority it’s always the man.

@@saved6655 correct reply

​@@internetenjoyer1044 , are not all those in Christ Jesus called Priests in the N..T. ? did not Peter say this and John in the book of Revelation.

You could righteously call them for what they have become... Heretics! Or as St. Paul declares....."Mislead weak-minded women who are burdened with sins and led by all kinds of desires. 7 These women are always studying but are never able to recognize the truth". 2 Timothy 3:6-7 (GW)

@@thetruthsadvocate4934 St. Paul uses the Greek word "AICHMALOTIZONTES" which means "Taking Captives or Leading Away"... That pertains to anyone who turns a certain way of thinking into something else, perhaps a SCAMMER or a CON-ARTIST / SWINDLER... these people do not stand/acknowledge the TRUTH...

Great thoughtful comment!

Are you really responded based on scripture (and putting scripture back into proper context), or does prohibiting and restricting women boost your self-esteem? It's a reasonable question.

@@Himmiefan and the answer to your question, is obvious to any reasonable person.

Funny how you invoke "history" as if it actually supports everything you say. It doesn't. Sorry, but Genesis creation is not literal. The planet is 4.5 billion years old, not 6,000. The history of Israel is not the only history, there are many different kinds of cultures that exist in the world. Women have made great leaders before. It may not have been common, but it did happen. So if anything, it seems that history and culture are actually against you.

Ma'am, I read your comment and it saddened me. John 17:1-5 When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you, since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. In particular, John 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. He didn't say 'that they have some vague idea of you'. John 8:19 They said to him therefore, “Where is your Father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither me nor my Father. If you knew me, you would know my Father also.” John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. 1 Timothy 1:8-14 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony about our Lord, nor of me his prisoner, but share in suffering for the gospel by the power of God, who saved us and called us toa a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began, and which now has been manifested through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, for which I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher, which is why I suffer as I do. But I am not ashamed, for I know whom I have believed, and I am convinced that he is able to guard until that day what has been entrusted to me. Follow the pattern of the sound words that you have heard from me, in the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus. By the Holy Spirit who dwells within us, guard the good deposit entrusted to you. I urge you to read the whole book of John/2 Timothy (as well as the rest of the Scriptures), not just these verses by themselves.

And just like eve in the garden , it's clear why God made man the head. Your comment reeks feminist

...does that not also mean that we should accept his choice to not use women to teach His words over men...? Love that you're seeking God's character, by the way. :)

Interpreting scripture literally, without understanding cultural context, leads to all kinds of error. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tsyQlaC0btY.html

@@BillBurnette Yes, you are simply projecting in your cultural biases and prejudices (so called egalitarianism) into the Biblical text in the most aggressive and faithless way. Shame on you.

Felix Guerrero, you’re wrong

@@michaelbrickley2443 Not an argument, mate.

@@felixguerrero6062 not here to argue with you. I got things to do. Believe what you want. Is it going to change your salvation? Your state of grace?

It would seem so! The constant attempt at conforming the Word of God to society only exposes those who never truly accepted it in the first place. Not fully, anyway. May people repent in Jesus name. Amen.

Way sooner than that.

Way sooner!

🙄 Hence the literal problem… Did you even listen to the 8 minute video? Got any logical rebuttals? Or just this straw man.

@@sarabradshaw331 Hence the submitting to God problem… You notice her saying "Got any LOGICAL rebuttals"? It's not even an issue of Scripture and interpretation. Yeah.. it doesn't surprise me.. from people from that side. Do you have any LOGICAL REBUTTALS against ordination of gays? I bet you don't.

@@kpballa1009 so just the straw man argument then, got my answer 👍

#FACTS

I think this is nonsense. Almost all the major sub-Christian cults (JWs, Mormonism, etc) have been set up by MEN who have deceived themselves and others. There is no reason why a woman cannot discern false teachers as long as she is well-taught and THAT is where the problem used to lie.

@@neilmccall5311 I think you are confusing wolves in sheep’s clothing with the blind leading the blind. Either way, that doesn’t negate the basic differences between how God created men and women and what His intentions were for those differences.

You’re not to bright huh? Why don’t you go ahead and release the first 8 chapter is Genesis.

What do you mean by Catholic texts?

Amen

Brian Sims Pretty solid analysis all the way through. I do appreciate thoughtful consideration of scripture in its context.

So true! There wasn't much diligence in his argument. Also, to call something a "gospel issue" and not expound on it is a big deal. I was hoping he put more effort in his position.

St. Paul declares...."Mislead weak-minded women who are burdened with sins and led by all kinds of desires. 7 These women are always studying but are never able to recognize the truth". 2 Timothy 3:6-7 (GW)

It seems to me that if someone is going to twist or ignore scripture to obtain ordination, they will continue to do so in the pulpit after ordination.

How do define Christianity?

Who used Roman Catholic interpretation?

Surprised that a Reformed Christian would invoke the Roman Catholic Church regarding Biblical exegesis

BINGO! Exactly what keeps happening. The early church would have never supported these egalitarian ideas.

women are not failed men tho! talking about them that way seems stupid and may scare them away from christ

Exactly what do you mean by this statement? If it is what I think, you are making a false equivalence.

@@elibennett6168 how?

@@woozy7405 Why don't you tell me if you know?

@@elibennett6168 If we accept radical feminist takeover of the Church, why not the LGBT too?

I know plenty of men like this! Still it's hopeful once we allow women to actually STUDY, they have the same brain power and Spirit-anointing so why on earth should they not teach?. If you're ill and go to the hospital do you refuse to be seen by a woman doctor in case she is weak-minded, having problems with all kinds of desires and maybe even on her period?

@@neilmccall5311 The Lord forbids women speaking, preaching and teaching men in the Church Assemblies. And his commands are LAW to all Christians 'worth their salt'.

@@thetruthsadvocate4934we don’t live under the law. So which law are you talking about?

You clearly don’t know how to read the Bible. Unlike you, Paul knew the Torah, and understood that Eve was in ignorance and improperly instructed by Adam which is why he brought up Eve Timothy bc like with Eve the women who were usurping authority were ignorant and unlearned in the faith. According to your nonsensical eisegesis God literally designed women to be more gullible than men. As for God commanding Adam to rule over Eve, that never happened God said what would happened bc if the fall not that he prescribed it.

Paul also said women will be saved by child bearing. I guess the cross wasn’t enough