Renault 5: The New King Of CHEAP Electric Cars? 

The problem is that the Chinese controls most of the rare earth metals and minerals needed to produce batteries. They started buying the rights to these raw materials back in the early 2000s, and by now they have almost full control.

The cheapest ev in my country is the dacia spring that is a chinese car underneath and the MG4 a brand owned by a chinese company, so idk we need to wait and see if they can take advantage of their past ice glories, both citroën with e-c3 and renault with R5

​@@karlf.karlsen4365Meh.. to actually get to like 50%+ market share, there needs to be new mines and new processing facilities opened to make those minerals. And there is a lot of planned capacity to be added in USA, Europe, Australia, etc. It also seems like the usage of rare earths is decreasing. LFP is becoming more popular, and there's not much rare minerals other than lithium.. and China doesn't actually have the lithium extraction in China. For motors, EV makers are finding ways to use less and less neodymium. You can make the motor completely without it, although they're less efficient at low speed.

@@karlf.karlsen4365no, the problem is that traditional automakers are unable to build these cars at a profit because they have outdated methods of production. There’s a great interview on Autoline about it

@@karlf.karlsen4365 and in addtion, chinese car companies are heavily subsidized by the chinese governement. Fair play.

I had an Emeraude green with white lines R5 TX , wish i had kept it ...same goes for my first car , a bright orange 1962 2 CV )

Yeah, and the Fiat 500e is Stellantis' best selling EV. The Peugeot 208 was the best selling car in Europe in 2022. Fun small cars still sell.

mainly because perfect for cities and EV is at its very best for EV's perfect match @@drfisheye

Gaaaaaaa, the trend to SUVs really annoy me. So much effort to make a huge brick drive OK, when they could just make it SMALLER! I really was stating to wonder if it was the need for the under floor space for the batteries, but nope, when you design for it, they can still fit in a CAR.

Same thing happened in India about a decade ago with the Renault Duster SUV.

Remember when they killed the CitigoIV EV after one year, because it sold out instantly and they didn't want it to actually be successful.

It's pretty great. Heavily targeted at certain demographics as one can tell from the size of the rear seat, but there's nothing wrong with that. Very clever. The real news is that Western manufacturers are starting to target outside of the high end market. It's fantastic news. That said, I always got the impression that 2025 would be the year that price parity would start being pursued. This is even a little early. There were so many years of positioning, but now it seems the race is on.

True price parity will come nearer 2030 I think, this is still 5 grand more than a Clio give or take.

R5 is not intelligent, no frunk, no one pedal driving, it's a boomer car, and i'm french.

@@anthonyr.4963Yes but of what I heard about that car, the battery is made in France which particularly clever. That means for once a non chinese car brand understand they have to master the all process of bulding an electric car and not depend to China for the most important part which the battery. The R5 is not just a car, it's an industrial process.

If it wasn't for the Americans (one in particular comes to mind), there wouldn't be any EVs to speak of.

You just blew my mind

It's the black tights that really do it...

Maybe not to buy but I saw the Atto 3 was leasing at £275 a month and it's a 37k car. There's always good deals to be had.

@@drysdalekev Over the last 20 years, I've spent a total of just £1500 on three cars over that time. So roughly £6.25 a month. Compared to that, £275 a month is an enormous amount.

@@joules531 well done you, but I presume you know your way around a car and how to fix them. You are hardly representative of the rest of the population.

​@@drysdalekevNobody is going to lease an electric car for 20 years!

I don't tihnk you can compare second hand car prices to new car prices. @@joules531

it's a bit mad and aggressive though. It isn't subtle or cute like a Fiat 500 or Honda E. It's got haunches and turn's heads. Fight me.

We've had this discussion too and think you're absolutely right. Watch this space!

In the U.K. the second hand market is plummeting. EVs are cheaper than ICE. I just checked on Autotrader and you can get a 2020 Audi e-tron with 21315 miles on the clock for £18498. The reason is there are no minimal tax, salary sacrifice schemes on used EVs. In contrast as a leased company car an Audi e-tron is deemed to have a "benefit in kind" of £29 a month.

​@@fullychargedshow nice. The 2nd hand ev market is going to be important for low income families that don't have access to other means of transport. But also remote communities in Aotearoa during Cyclone Gabrielle we had many small communities without electricity, a issue solar and batteries will solve.

@@harshadagashemany EV batteries don’t use cobalt at all. Ans this practice could be stopped anyway.

@@harshadagashe The thing your comment immediately reveals is that you haven't ever watched another episode of The Fully Charged Show which has been going for 14 years with well over 1,000 episodes many of which have not only mentioned the issues around materials we all rely on to make the things we use, in depth, including the appalling issue of children working in copper and cobalt mines in the DRC. So let's just get a few FACTS into the discussion rather than something you read on some weird right wing pro fossil fuel forum. There are still a small number of children working in artisanal mining in the DRC, it is illegal and the authorities there have done a great deal to reduce the amount of kids working in these unsafe mines. What they dig up makes up less than 1% of global cobalt supplies. Now, today, one of the biggest consumers of cobalt is, and you will hate this but it is true, verified by multiple government and corporate research bodies, the oil industry. Your oil industry that you love and support uses cobalt in very large quantities to remove sulphur from diesel and petrol as part of the refining process. It's used to make oil slightly less toxic. The material fossil heads love to whine on and on about is used to refine OIL Have you heard of LFP batteries? No, of course not. Well, they contain NO cobalt, zero. None. They are now being used in over 50% of new electric cars, trucks, busses, vans etc. No cobalt. There are another 3 or 4 new battery chemistries being introduced commercially, NONE of them use any cobalt. There is more cobalt in the device you used to post your really boring, dated comment than in a new electric car. Cobalt is used to make stainless steel. We use a large amount of it in millions of products, none of which are electric cars. But you've been told 'say the cobalt is mined by children' and that will stop people buying electric cars. Well it isn't, it won't and bad luck sunshine, you are wrong. It's you and your oil burning pals who are using a material that is dug up by children. It's a disgrace, I hope you feel all holier than thou now, with your cobalt consuming fossil fuel that you can only use once.

including me!

Only people who already have a EV or want to get a EV...it won't change people's minds which is the majority of people in changing to EV cars more so the price. We need 20k and under cars

And so few will finally make it. Pure Compliance Car from a high-cost pilot facility, not even LFP yet. Good to know that at least others are nailing it, from VW (MEB Entry out of Spain), to Stellantis (C3, Panda, Frontera, 1008 - none produced in France), even BYD when localized from Hungary.

@@marvin3935 LFP has a lower energy density, seems logic that a real small car doesn't use it. Compliance car? Renault was building EV's before all other European brands. This one will sell really well

They almost nailed it! I really want one but it wouldn't get in my shortlist for what it is for that price. It's another Honda E, I really want one but can't justify the price compared to the competition.

Hahah - especially as she's contractually obliged to advocate for the Fully Charged Yellow! We'll be having words...!

I like the colourful, cheerful interior. Getting fed up with deadly dull grey and black. The interiors of some cars remind me of a coal mine. Well done Renault for cheering life up with a bit of colour.

take a look at our video on instagram or LinkedIn which goes a little more into the details of some of the tech. Imogen was peeved she couldn't do the whole episode on the V2G component! And of course when we say cheap, we mean great value and more affordable than other EVs, but if you want proper proper affordability in the true meaning of the word you wait til you see the Dacia Spring...!

​@@fullychargedshowI could never envisage Imogen "peeved" but I assume it's part scary and part adorable.

@@WilliamOwyongnailed it

@@fullychargedshow Can you please provide a link?

@@EugeneLambert instagram.com/p/C38DdbfNYrX/

Frenchy in the US...French cars have such a bad reputation here , French companies have completely gave up the US Market. Kind of sad, i'm sure this car could sell here....As well as my favorite , the A110 Alpine.

You already mentioned it: Dacia Spring. Renault Nissan just developed a new fully EV platform, prices will still be a bit premium for that. Get a use Dacia now and a used R5 in 2 Years 😏

Exactly. If you want to make the car cheaper and extend the range rip out all the unnecessary electronics (starting with the electric handbrake) and just build a basic car. If you want to cater to those who like fancy toys you can add a swish model of the same basic vehicle to your range.

This when we talk cheap EV saying £25k to £30k isn't cutting it. We need sub £15k EVs with at least 150 miles range before we see any sensible adaptation

​@@FeniksGamingOnce again you have the Dacia Spring

If you want an affordable (under £15K) EV car you'll have to look at the used market for now.

i bet not

I ts so ugly. Renault will be disappointed

@@bulenthide9129 it’s a good thing that everyone is different, otherwise there would only be two cars on the road, a RAV4 and Corolla.

The range is way too short for this high cost. Will not sell well because people need range.

@@ketkroketdumont8238 no they don’t, it’s a city car. Every morning you will wake up with 250 miles of range. That’s 91,250 miles a year without ever public charging. Obviously if you do far more miles than that or have 5 children and a caravan then you buy an EV9 with 7 seats and a longer range. It really isn’t rocket science.

Not to be confused with “douche”

Requires 5 miles per kwh in efficiency to achieve. Doubt it does that with a single weak motor in real world testing. The most efficient cars now ev wise are in the low 4 miles per kwh in real world consumption.

@@4literv6 Renault seem to have a good track-record of building efficient EVs and for this vehicle size, I don't think 5 miles/kWh is at all unachievable - my 2017 BMW i3 did 4.3 miles/kWh on my 105 mile trip today, approx 65% motorway / 35% A-roads in 8°C temps and I regularly get 5+ miles/kWh in summer.

That is probably a WLTP number and thus very optimistic. It probably does do 220 though which is generally sufficient.

Best I got on my Zoe was about 250 miles but this was just the guesstimate the car made. Now averages around 220 on 90% charge. Also shows 4.5 mpkwh during summer. The “problem” with the R5 is that it is being marketed as the first cheap ev with a good range but the Zoe is/was offering similar at the same price with an easily achievable dealer discount. The bigger battery and more powerful motor is the same price as I paid for the Zoe 2 years ago

@@choshun8 exactly and foreigners so quickly forget about the Chevy bolt SMH available since late 2016-late 2023 here in the U.S. It was the equivelant of the much ballyhooed dolphin ev from byd and the zoe etc. You can get 1 of the few remaining ones below 20k in many states right NOW. And it's coming back in late 2025 with an updated lfp pack, better charging and motors etc. 260+miles of epa range, 200+hp 0-60mph in mid 6s etc. Seats 4 adults easily. 👍🏻😎

And it would fit easily in an average garage or parking place.

there is sth. called "inflation". How much money did you earn and how does it compare to today? 😉

Did it leak? 😂

@@79blustone . Amazingly - no, unlike many of the factory fitted ones I’ve had. It was a very simple pop up one though.

Renault 5 turbo was £11k in the mid 80s that with inflation in todays money is £33k. So I think it’s worth it for something as fast but significantly safer and better equipped than the original.

Both the Renault 5 and Ioniq 5 have styling inspired by cars from the past (Pony is the case of the Hyundai).

@@MrDuncl No. Im not talking about 1970s hatchbacks. The design cues I'm talking about are unique aspects of the modern Ioniq 5 and Urban EV designs.

They might have also looked at the Renault 5 and thought "Let's do that again "

The hot version of the new electric R5 is coming. It is called Alpine A-290...

70 cm shorter than a model 3 !

They've mentioned parking in other reviews on this channel.

👍

Are you watching too many American reviews where they think a Telsa Model X could do with being a bit bigger 🙂

@@MrDuncl 😂 yes maybe that's it. In the US, everyone likes to look over the top of the car in front. Double decker SUVs are coming any time now..

😂 no chance

Possibly? Definitely! History, pedigree and now contemporary again.

@@fairybuddy-angel2035 Not sure about that, Abarth is celebrating its 70th anniversary so plenty pedigree there...

Please note it’s a *Hyundai*.

​@@4evermetalhead79I assumed this was tongue in cheek and was spelling it phonetically how the recent UK adverts now tell us how to pronounce it correctly.

@@4evermetalhead79 I can never remember how to spell it , and this our fourth one

Agree. LFP would have been much better.

Take a look at the V2G episode we put out on Tuesday! Not a load of info on the V2G for this just yet! Also take a look at our instagram where we've gone through some more of the tech we couldn't fit into this episode!

@@fullychargedshow Why do instagram people get more info than youtube people?

​@@xxwookey Yeah, I do Facebook, Twitter/X, and RU-vid. I have no desire to start spending time on a fourth platform...

They did! but Jack and Imogen were at our Sydney Everything Electric Show. We had to get to Geneva to quash the fomo!

Are you Aan invalid can't work study invest do the minimum more like it...

sadly a cars price is more than the sum of its parts - it has to pay for all the R&D and new factory fitting out costs so will still struggle to make a profit any time soon.

@@ricardo3699 Of course the most moronic idiocy would come from someone with that blue and yellow avatar.

you wait til you see the new Dacia Spring!

yes absolutely, we just need the basics and a cheaper price

@@fullychargedshow Could you PLEASE get to Korea and cover the Kia Ray EV? It's better than any other lower-range car you've covered by such a huge margin. And while you're there, cover Bongo trucks. You don't know you need them until you see them in a space where they are normal.

we thought so too!!

@@fullychargedshowFor those who are too young to remember Clippy, be very thankful, Clippy was amazingly annoying.

@@fullychargedshow it's called "Reno" like eg Sean Reno and pronounced similar (at leat for non french ears like mine) to "Renault", of course :-)

@@matthewbaynham6286 it was a F'in P in the A!!! 😆 I was soo happy to be using Linux and StarOffice (later opensourced as OpenOffice / LibreOffice) for some time already - and before I used WordPerfect (and PageMaker for complex documents), as MS W*rd was only good to eat up all your time and efforts of trying to get a proper (only a bit complex) document done. Most of the time eating parts of the document itself 🙄🤪