Replacing a NOT professionally installed epoxy garage floor. Acid etching failed...AGAIN 

It is worth the extra work

@@ConcreteFloorSolutions FWIW the grinding wasn't a giant hassle. A bit messy buy you're also not having to deal with the acid or fumes.

If my floor has oil stains, is grinding all you do? Or degreaser recommended after grinding? Assuming the oils seeps down.

@@Roadshopaudio oil is impossible to completely remove from Concrete. You can degrease first, then diamond grind and you simply have to hope for the best. There are no guarantees with oil stains.

Here is what I learned from watching Concrete Solution videos. You didn't say it, because you are nice and don't want to trash the competition...but I've seen enough RU-vid videos to figure it out. Virtually any suburbia home built since the 1980's has a garage with sealed concrete. Unless you build a new house and request no sealer on the cement, it will be sealed. Yet, companies market the acid etching approach for convenience when they know damn well that it won't work...that in reality, a surface grind is required for proper adhesion in virtually all of the cases. But they don't tell you that in clear terms and emphasis that acid etching in all likelihood will not be an option for the overwhelming majority of folks. They let customers buy and use the acid etching and invest in the tools, primer, topcoat and clear coat that is surely to separate in the very near future because of no pores for adhesion. What a racket this acid etching is to the consumer... and those companies get away with it. They know most DIYers would be put-off if they realize they will be burdened with the additional cost of rental for a diamond re-surfacing tool, having to go pick it up and return it, set up dust control system, as well as the extra work involved in the actual grinding/resurfacing to do it right.

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@@ConcreteFloorSolutions hi ! Nice job after to apply the clear paint , what is that the white thing . Do you have the name ?

@@dario_kun The white powder like staff is called Aluminum Oxide.

I can tell you have no fucking idea how the job gets done either

@@ConcreteFloorSolutions you guys are acting as if you’re the best people around for the job but my family has 4 business all throughout utah and all you’re doing is shitting on my work. I hav me garages that have lasted longer than you’ve ever done this job.

I did, and when he got to the blurry image I've thought that the last shot was just too much.

I woke up with my phone open to this comment, and a guy in medical scrubs screaming about the dead rising or some crap. Also, why does this say you posted this four days ago?

Wel tha was certainly an intleretin interesting exprriment Clea white concrete Too many sh0ts

Bonus round: now try adding a shot for the word consistently. Good luck.

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yeah a lot of them homeowners have no business doing it

Mine have been going 15 years strong at this point. Followed the directions. Cleaned meticulously and did all the prep. Looks great.

Great point.

That’s the problem people give cheap options then when someone prices to do the job right it’s “too high”. If more contractors just learned to not offer the cheap options more people would realize the actual costs to do the job right. But always will be hacks in any industry just have to build your client base on the good customers they will refer you. Whenever I hire someone I want to hear they are not cheap but do very good work. If u start to do the cheap work they will share u with others looking for the same thing and u don’t need those kind of customers.

There may be nothing wrong with following the homeowner’s request, especially if you are a fly by night contractor, but just remember that when the job fails the person who gets blamed isn’t the homeowner, but the contractor. Do you really want to be that contractor?

That's why a good product salesman won't even give that option. Do it right or not at all because in the end you are the expert and the end result comes back to your work and not what the person who has no idea what they actually want other then the most affordable price. No matter how cheap the job is doing it twice is still more expensive than doing it once right

As a homeowner, I just started doing things myself because I found out the prep work and anything else you can't 'see', doesn't get done, they lie and cover it up, say they did and charge the homeowner. Hiring a contractor is a scam. You have to take off work, and literally stand over them and make sure they are actually doing it, and not cutting corners.

but it's not complicated in the least

I was surprised that the flakes are thrown on top, and not mixed in with the epoxy. I know there's probably a really good reason for it, but it just caught me out.

@@paulmurgatroyd6372 it probably might settle in epoxy, so no consistency

@@zh3nox Yeah, it's obviously been tried and tested.

I like hearing the birds in the back

Remember "clean white concrete". :)

If you don’t completely rinse the acid of and let throughly dry until all the moisture is out of the concrete it will begin to fail in 24 hrs.

@@billprezioso3677 never use acid. You will never completely get it out of the pourous concrete and there's no way of ever knowing if you did.

@@michaelmcgee2026 You could say the same thing about any product and who really knows if it will affect the performance of the paint somewhere down the road, pressure washing it out and sufficient drying time to remove moisture content is key,I’ve done many of these in my 35 years and the only one that failed earlier than it should have was because I rushed the job and didn’t allow proper drying time.

Some people (idiot me )thought that when epoxyshield was remanufactured to a water cleanup product that it could be applied to a slightly damp surface and that wasn’t the case and still isn’t so today that was why it failed on a job I did it taught me to make sure the concrete has a really low moisture content before application.

I know how's that work?

@@big502chevy5 spike shoes, look like crocs, you can see in video if you look hard

@@big502chevy5 they’re called cleats

@@mabals no, they're called spiked shoes.

Good to know, I was curious about those shoes.

Except concrete is grey because portland cement is grey.

Also that’s racist, CNN told me so

And clean white concrete with you.

Challenge: take a shot every time he says clean white concrete.

I believe clean, white, concrete is what defines a man.

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It's so sad too! A mark of a true professional is one who makes the job look easy but also, leaves the place just as good or better then they left it. I'm halfway through the video and he is a true professional!

@@professionalcommenter I've been watching 1puglife on RU-vid get his epoxy floors done. He's had 3 guys come in do a completely terrible job and here is 4 months later sanding it all and doing it himself.

How much did this job cost out of curiosity?

@@ConcreteFloorSolutions i could do it better if i was doing it longer than you guys :)

@J P I really need to try and get the copyright on that...

Same ! Made me think also what he says about the grinding. But from my minimal experience with concrete, there often seems to be a thin, extra weak porous layer on top. So perhaps it's less about "the scratch" and more about binding to more solid concrete, just because the texture already looked quite rough in my opinion.

@Retro_Afterglow Well , it does have some benefits and has a more "modern" look to it, but for your normal garage , yeah not much reason for it. I got ceramic tiles in my garage and also floor heating. Don't think it was the best choice made , but i wasn't the one who built it. Also , no issues with the inside part of the garage (which has the heating and tiles) , but the outside part which has tiles has been having a couple issues , which had me working for a couple weekends.

@Retro_Afterglow beacuse its not pourous so it doesnt soak up fluids like concrete staining it, and cleans with a mop and bucket instead of a pressure washer when its dirty.

i completely agree. This company knows, is experienced and does the job right. BEWARE, there are so many "Bad" "Only for the money" "Fake" contractors on this earth.

Plenty of people take pride in their work.. unfortunately a lot of the work is nothing to be proud of, like the previous coating in this video.

What a bunch of BS... How long has the original floor lasted ? How much did it cost? If it was a $129 Home Depot kit. It has done a great job. Only flacking where the tires are are located. Sure he was flacking off the loose stuff. But it quickly transitioned to solid . Even though it was clear the bare spot had been there for a long time. It had not spread. Give me a wire brush and some cleaner and a pint of epoxy garage floor paint and all fixed for $35. Most people can't afford a $400 emergency car repair

and then after youve got it mixed to the point you think its overkill, repeat step one two times.

And then after 2 years of nonstop mixing take a 2min break and mix for another 2years. This step is critical, don’t skip!

Here at 4:12 am lol

3:48 am for me 🙄

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did you rent a sander?

@@racker7855 Did you end up hiring one?

Because it’s nice to see somebody else work as hard as you while you’re sitting on the couch. Lol

I do the same lol. But I work in a different trade.

@@ConcreteFloorSolutions true that! Lol

you can get flake all the same color, literally any color. But in all honesty, most of the folks getting these floors don't work on anything themselves ;)

Just asked this question before reading this- probably a valid point about the demographic though 🙂

The only solution might be to leave a section in the corner uncoated that you could sweep the work area debris over to, and use that as the search area. 😜 My usual tactic is taking a bright flashlight and shining it sideways across the area and look for the shadow from the part 🙈

I still don't get why anyone would want flakes. Especially if you're dropping screws etc. why are you trying to make it harder to find them? haha. It's personal taste no doubt but I love the clean look. I guess in this case the light flake isn't so bad..

@@digitalsmithy Good thought. I really like the flake look, and I imagine it hides a lot of sins, but I never consider the "loose screw scenario"! Good call

@@kd4zqe and good call with hiding stains etc. I guess that's obviously the main reason to do it in the first place :)

One huge advantage of the flake is it is like camouflage on the floor, at least if you do damage the floor it won't stick out like a sore thumb

Making something look random is often more difficult than it sounds.

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And as a contribution: make sure to use an aperture like 8 or above, to get all in focus. Will improve your end result (video wise, not the instruction, because that is awesome!)

Thank you, we put a lot of effort into making sure we install floors as close to perfect as possible

You can give us a call before you place the order. We will gladly coach you through every step of the installation.

Haha...whatever. special tools. Your a painter.

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measure twice cut once

Thank you

Thank you for watching.

I understand your point and wish you all success. But if you find yourself in a situation that your client wants you to work on heights, make sure you insist on safe means. So make sure to use a scaffolding or something like that. They want the work done and it shouldn't go at the cost of your safety. Just saying. 😏

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How much did you pay to have it polished? Per sq ft?

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@@ConcreteFloorSolutions thank you that's very kind. I certainly will

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that's desirable if you wish to remove whatever is on the concrete. otherwise it just depends on what you plan to do with it

@@BingBongYourLife Assuming you wish to do an epoxy floor and there already is some materisl on the concrete,yes. Otherwise it just depends in what you wanna do with it

It's nice to have a local watching the channel. Thanks for watching.

You are absolutely correct. Here is a link to the epoxy kit used in this video: concretefloorsolutions.com/product/500-sq-ft-complete-epoxy-flake-floor-kit/

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That’s exactly what happened to my floor. I need to call them and redo my garage floor.

@@celitocheng8322 Did they even acid etch your floor? Seems like acid etching would work for most folks if they applied a primer, then the epoxy, and then a proper clear coat.

Grinding up the floor provides more surface area for the epoxy to bond to. Like painting a car, you don't buff the surface smooth before applying the paint. Any kind of prepared surface needs to be clean and dry. Where the weight of the car sits and persistent hot oil and tyres twisting on the surface need the extra adhesion. He said they appeared to be newish homes, wondering if it was included with the price of the house which means quick and dirty. The oxide he threw on last was much more even than on the old finish judging by the photos he showed at the end.

I have heard of the wax before but never tried it

Indeed. Or blasting it with ballbearings. The etching probably failed because the rubber debris is acid resistant.

@@sticky170 exactly.

I like grinding also or shot. Leaving a defined scratch, but my jobs are spec acid etch. Warranty purposes I have to, would you do first? Etch wash then grind then wash again. I prep 50,000 sqft tennis court for painting. So vacuuming is too slow. We blow it off and wash. Any thoughts?

@@2squeege that seems extremely redundant. I would simply diamond grind and apply a good primer. What is the point of acid etching and then diamond grinding? Acid etching apparently doesn't do enough

you can easily rent those grinders, just need to be able to transport them I guess. For that you need a giant pickup truck if the parking lot of Home Depot is anything to go by

@@chir0pter To translate to UK, he means go to HSS and put the seats down in your Civic.

I don't think an epoxy floor is the best for dampness, and if there's anything the UK leads the world in, it's wet shoes.

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What are they?

I absolutely agree

Just because somebody does something for a living doesn't mean they're good at what they do. This goes for all professions.

I get paid for what i know, not what i do.

Well the fact is the kits at the big box stores are not the same grade of what the pros use, also the products the pros use is substantially more expensive. Hence why.a job done by a pro cost more plus it will be done right. See the so called DIY know it alls work and the headaches they cause us pros. A pro having to clean up a diy shit show costs you more

@@zack9912000 Bad Pros cause "shit shows" too and it cost you extra for the privilege. Why it is important to vet your vendor or contractor. Many are great but there are some no so much.

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Is that an exposed aquapex line in a "new" house?

@@dragons_red Yep. Would you be surprised if I told you that install isn't legal?

@@javiervazquez9472 why isnt it legal?

@@forest3945 pex cannot be exposed like this. Prone to damage.

@@javiervazquez9472 that makes sense

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This is one of the reasons I'm not attempting it myself. I was worried I would not be able to throw the flake evenly. Guess I could practice first over the old floor.

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