Revealed: Overhauled Scoring System for Age of Sigmar 4

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@Centurion_of_Terra 3 месяца назад

I don't read the news articles, I come here and let Rob explain it to me, it's a much better experience ❤️

@thehonestwargamerstreams 3 месяца назад

Awh thanks

@mrness12sh26 3 месяца назад

I’m just getting into AOS-never played a game and only have a few models. But I’m here reading every crunchy rules article!!

@thehonestwargamerstreams 3 месяца назад

Sounds like you're the master of theoryhammer! Time to put those rules to the test on the tabletop!

@christomarg 3 месяца назад

I think the double turn could be beneficial if I dont have a battle tactic I can score this turn. In this case not being able to score battle tactic and gaining a double turn will keep me in the game. Players will have to weigh actual possibility of them scoring a battle tactic vs not scoring. I think this will become more crucial as the game goes on. Turn 4 for example you may see that you dont have an easy battle tactic and you win the priority roll its better to push forward and perhaps stop your opponent from scoring than try to score a battle tactic that the likelihood you will score is low

@woofergranade2044 3 месяца назад

All the battle tactics rotating every year seems great on paper. Let’s find out how it “plays out”.

@EZduzziteh 3 месяца назад

I think it would be cool if different tactics were worth different amounts of points so you have to weigh up whether its worth taking the hard battle tactic for 4 points or the pretty much guaranteed one for 1 point.

@kingangst233 3 месяца назад

Hi, new player here starting with CoS and a Twin Tailed Crusade Narrative play. You were right this article was very helpful

@CreatorGatorYT 3 месяца назад

The Battle Tactic system is better than 3rd (especially if they keep faction battle tactics out of the game) But I do wish they did something different than battle tactics for secondaries

@Kelgrim 3 месяца назад

I’m incredibly excited for 4th. 96% of what we’ve read so far sounds good to me. Loved 3rd despite its flaws, so 4th can’t come soon enough

@markpandelidis2079 3 месяца назад

Just want to help clarify this. 4 game modes Spearhead: only the core rules. Path to glory: narrative with all the advanced rules like magic and terrain, no battle tactics Matched play: First blood battle pack, 6 core battle tactics and Faction tactics. 4 rounds. General's handbook: competitive play, 5 rounds, season rules and +2 Grand Alliance tactics. 6 core +2 GA tactics.

@eviltables7235 3 месяца назад

Really wish they would have removed battle tactics entirely, but at least this is a step up. I think the main reason they can't do something like old world where defeating the enemy in combat is the main goal, is because there's not as much tactical depth in AoS where certain unit types counter others--positioning also doesn't matter nearly as much. So if AoS were just about trying to defeat your enemy, then the game would be two blobs running at each other. But I think the real solution is to add more tactical depth to the combat.

@Rhuiner 3 месяца назад

I think each of these articles that comes out has really got me more hyped for 4e. Its looking like it will be a great new edition.

@piotrjeske4599 3 месяца назад

Man if only my army wasn't legends. The rules look very nice.

@Leviticushateford 3 месяца назад

Rob, 1st thank you for the great 4Ed Content...I have a request or an idea, you and many other GW sigmar bring up NEW players and I grasp that new bring more to our hobby. GW seems to hunt the new players or " new payers" as the primary revenue source but if there was a way to get TO or run a poll or some type of real data to show the cash flow to the hobby is truly new players...I think( opion) that is might not be as true as people are saying but I have no way to backit up...when I look at our hobby I see some new players but most are veterans who spend many $ on armys for many reasons...I guess what I'm getting at is I don't quite buy the whole...new players should be GW target for cash flow....hope this made sense

@Aere395 3 месяца назад

I'm one of said new players who is waiting for 4th edition but following the articles, granted I'm letting you explain it for me because I don't know all the rules yet but it's quite helpful to know what I'm getting in to

@thesoothsayer9223 3 месяца назад

Yeet the module

@DinoCopRulezTheWORLD 3 месяца назад

My Sacrosant Chamber cannot wait for AoS 4th edition :)

@shipkipsamazingchannel3248 3 месяца назад

youve got a whole year in which to enjoy the rules, so its not all bad q

@DinoCopRulezTheWORLD 3 месяца назад

@@shipkipsamazingchannel3248 ... Run as fast as you can into brick wall head on.

@piotrjeske4599 3 месяца назад

@@shipkipsamazingchannel3248in my corner of the world legends equals people won't play against it.

@EZduzziteh 3 месяца назад

same! I have all the sacrosanct models because to me they are the coolest looking stormcast!

@DinoCopRulezTheWORLD 3 месяца назад

@@shipkipsamazingchannel3248 ... you mean it as joke, right?

@mistformsquirrel 3 месяца назад

I admit, despite my upset about the squatting of BoC and Sacresanct chamber... man they keep managing to get me hyped for 4th. All I need now is an article confirming how allies work so I can make sure my Hedonite plans remain well... as they are, so I don't have a couple big models I can't use.

@willschoonover8654 3 месяца назад

Really happy to see the direction this is going. Less freebies, and universal tactics in the GHB every year will make it a lot easier for casual players to keep track of what is going on. I also really like that they are leaning on the Grand Alliances for part of this because I've always liked that concept in AoS.

@ce4879 3 месяца назад

Ditto especially on GA’s, really nice they’ve found another way to use them in a flavorful direction instead of just being a AoS store site organizer. 😄

@d.c.4545 3 месяца назад

I think you misspoke when you said the battle tactics are part of the GHB. The grand alliance battle tactics are part of the GHB but the 6 universal battle tactics are part of the core rules module. So they can tweak these over the course of the entire edition if they need to. I might be wrong in this but after rereading the article a few times thats what it seems to be saying.

@speeddemonpainting7050 3 месяца назад

I wonder how different GA battletactics in GHB will affect the meta... Battletome specific BT were often not used in events (at least around here) because TOs thought it created too much of an imbalance. 4 out of 10 VP for a turn is a very big deal after all.

@warcomps 3 месяца назад

Really liking a lot of the changes coming in 4th edition, most excited I've been for AoS TBH.

@user-dr4iv5rs2v 3 месяца назад

Sounds okay 👌 but time will tell plus aspiring to remember it all 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍👹

@scottpfaff7804 3 месяца назад

I think the "balance" portion means it allows them more opportunities to apply balance "patches", as they did in AoS 3.0.

@thehonestwargamerstreams 3 месяца назад

That's a great observation! The balance aspect definitely plays a crucial role in keeping the game fair and enjoyable for everyone.

@scottpfaff7804 3 месяца назад

@@thehonestwargamerstreams but you’re not wrong. GW historically has launched a lot of Seasons with some broken & unbalanced stuff. 3.0 has made me hopeful they’ll continue to update during seasons.

@alanwesley598 3 месяца назад

People are still going to take the double .there are so many crush your head builds that rely on brute force example varanguard or meet fist that don't care about points because they want to crush you by round two.

@willd5328 3 месяца назад

Idk have you tried counter-charging?

@nickmayne1901 3 месяца назад

Not sure until I play but can’t say I’m excited about battle tactics or underdog rules, I can still decimate most of your armies & still lose on points, my general can say to the commanders, it’s ok to deploy badly & get slaughtered, we can still win, don’t know about you but I still play to win even in monopoly & grand strategy, destroy there whole army, and you win😃

@user-nk9ig5wt2c 3 месяца назад

Step 1 take a general. Step 2 pick no unit for general reggiment Step 3 negate 1 battle tactics to your opponent just building your arm list

@Born2Dougie 3 месяца назад

I would think the tactic basically becomes "kill the general" then but I get your point you can list build against it a bit

@reaver11122 3 месяца назад

You're also increasing the chance of not being able to choose who goes first

@drakkar1077 3 месяца назад

Counter-charge, seize the centre. Ironjawz get stripped or what 😂

@ultrasquid7901 3 месяца назад

I don’t like gw release politics. It’s like teasing for months and hyping you up until you lost interest by the time the release arrives. But I really enjoy your round up videos and hope my lizards will be solid in the new edition

@spiritofgroot1999 3 месяца назад

I heard counter charge could be useful, opinions?

@thehonestwargamerstreams 3 месяца назад

hmmmm maybe

@redsven7624 3 месяца назад

I quit AoS3 due to getting the feeling the design was pushing the game to be decided by turn 3 in most cases in my experience and the book writing was encourage spam. I am going to pick up AoS 4 and give it a good go, hopeful for spearhead and a semi-detached format for playing what I guess would be seen as narratively. However, I am not being sold by these articles, even cleaned up and given better presentation. I think your take on closer games yesterday was positive, but the idea it could be incidentally closer is not appealing. On battle tactics I will be honest I read the core and was fairly positive but then read the grand alliance ones and was not impressed their seems real disparity. Keep up your coverage appreciate the enthusiasm and presentation

@lestrike2707 3 месяца назад

I am really not a fan of battle tactics. They would be cool if they were bound to a scenario. But this way they just annihalate the immersion for me. It's like playing Black Jack while Playing AoS but Black Jack is 2/3 of AoS - I really don't like this.

@remotay11 3 месяца назад

Potential returning player. How would I get into this when the things release?

@thehonestwargamerstreams 3 месяца назад

Pick and army you like. Grab the spearhead/starter box. Get it built and painted see if you have the stamina to do an army

@Arttano 3 месяца назад

This is the first L I've seen for 4th edition. Time for another 3 years with a battle tactics system that homogenizes your gameplan. At least with faction BTs gone it's an improvement on 3rd, but that's quite the low bar. This is probably copium, but at least there's the potential they replace the BT module in a future GHB with something else.

@FlipityGibett 3 месяца назад

I like BTs but they really don’t align with the ludo-narrative. Why would publicly sharing where your going to move your dudes earn you victory?

@40KWill 3 месяца назад

Not sure about the grand alliance strategies. Put one unit in the center of the table for order seems a bit easy.

@brib9716 3 месяца назад

Countercharge!

@metal995 3 месяца назад

The order BT is 4 units each wholly within a quarter and out of combat. Not 1 unit in the center 😅

@Shimmering_rain 3 месяца назад

One unit in the centre is a universal battle tactic. Order is have a unit in each battlefield quarter and further than 6" from any enemy units.

@40KWill 3 месяца назад

@@metal995can't you just put 4 models in the center of the table with one in each quadrant. It looks like that and would be the same as the old grand strategy with the same idea.

@CatharsisChaser 3 месяца назад

“Wholly within” so it has to be 4 separate units all of which have to be outside of 6” of enemies By far the worst one spoiled yet… especially for a low unit count army like SCE Here’s hoping the other order one is at least completable

@envaya9838 3 месяца назад

not sure I can take another 3 years of uninspired sidequest style secondaries

@minacapella8319 3 месяца назад

Hey at least it's only 3 years before the game becomes something even less recognizable! 😃

@chefblaze7022 3 месяца назад

You can take it and you will . Now pay up and roll dice😂

@KnightSquire 3 месяца назад

Is it ok that me and my friends just wanna ignore them. 😂

@joshuaglenn6605 3 месяца назад

Removing faction secondaries is amazing. You want more complex secondaries in a wargame? I feel like we have enough to do getting through a 3 hour game at speed

@lestrike2707 3 месяца назад

@@KnightSquire You will get more enjoyment out of the game that way, the same goes for the season rules (most of them).

@Tatarync 3 месяца назад

I'm seeing a lot of online discourse is unhappy about tactics existing, but every competitive player I know likes this.

@Kollider115 3 месяца назад

If players want to just build kill lists and run at their opponent, they should just go to Old World

@Arttano 3 месяца назад

Not all competitive players like BTs. My main issue with how BTs currently work has always been how much they homogenize each game. If you're playing to win, then the incentive is to pick 5 when you're building your list and contort your list around scoring those 5 BTs as reliably as you can, which means in more or less the same order each game. While they can make list building more interesting the actual playing of the game is often much less varied because of them. IMO, something like the tactical secondary system from 40k would be much better for gameplay as you can't just plan it beforehand and execute it with little thought.

@lestrike2707 3 месяца назад

at least the game is well designed for those 10%.

@lestrike2707 3 месяца назад

@@Arttano good points!

@Kollider115 3 месяца назад

@@Arttano I’d argue there’s no thought required in being reactive to tactical as your play is still dictated by the secondary. Holding units off the table incase deploy or behind pops, doing actions with units effectively removing them from the game further more you get stuff like nids or skew lists where the optimal play is quite literally being fixed secondaries and be more brain dead then a kill point system. I personally feel if you can execute the same game plan 5 games in a row, your opponents just simply arnt good enough or the armies too strong. Similarly the best armies in 40K are still tailored to being Uber flexible because you’ll need to kill and be mobile, but you have the benefit of shooting your way out of a bad card pull in 40K. But it’s clearly not an overwhelmingly agreed on system