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@LordAlbrecht 2 месяца назад

0:00 - 0:02 is a vibe

@julesponge Месяц назад

All jokes aside, I think about those two seconds almost every day.

@seanditchfield5609 2 месяца назад

You should be proud that GW have taken your terrain pack and implemented a version of it themselves. You are a great community champion!

@RealJahzir 2 месяца назад

As a new person I get confused by a good amount of these articles. I appreciate all the commentary to clarify many of these articles

@WarpstoneHoarder 2 месяца назад

Mate I don't blame you 😅 I've been playing for years and I still think they could make thinks a lot clearer!

@MC-es3dy 2 месяца назад

Music to Rob's ears ! And you're right, I basically don't bother to read the articles anymore. It's simply more efficient to listen to Rob on 2x speed for the REAL insight. Those articles are typically overly fluffed by marketing and I can't be fucked to parse through the bullshit

@thesaltyseagames 2 месяца назад

You said u were interested in thoughts from ppl only sortof into AOS, so here goes: I started in 2nd edition, but fell off to mostly invest in Warcry. I did play a few games + a tournament in AOS 3rd edition. I enjoyed it (gorgeous game, solid balance) but it never grabbed me. Felt like 3rd edition took a long time for games that were often in my experience decided by just a couple key decisions (or forgotten rules), and of course like you've covered here, battle tactics are an incredibly unfun way to decide a game. I'm interested in 4th. I would say I'm waiting for the article on battle tactics to decide, but really I'm likely to try a tournament out regardless, so whether or not I play a lot of 4th edition will likely hinge on how smoothly games flow. GW has experimented with underdog mechanics a bit in Warcry, and it succeeds in creating closer games, but honestly when every game comes down to the last dice roll, no games come down to the last dice roll, you know what I mean? If AOS4 takes 3 hours on every game only to have it come down to something arbitrary then that won't be satisfying, so it will be interesting to see how they walk this tightrope. The novelty of artificially close games wore off after a while in Warcry, and gaming the underdog mechanic quickly just became a different type of strategic layer, understanding when to sandbag points and when not to. So neither good nor bad, really.

@40KWill 2 месяца назад

Catch up mechanic allows you to take a double turn drop a tactic smash your opponent and then catch up

@Jacoooify 2 месяца назад

If you're already losing

@WoodsRunning 2 месяца назад

My most "old man yells at cloud" trait is I hate hate hate seasonal content and Generals Handbooks. I cant be logiced or reasoned into liking them, my brain just turns off. Great video and great Podcast too though.

@40KWill 2 месяца назад

Stick with the core book only and you are fine

@ungabungacaveman9021 2 месяца назад

If you don’t play at events I don’t think you need tk care about it there’s plenty of community battle plans and ways to build battle plans for your games. I love them though it’s nice to have new rules to play either way and shake things up 🤷🏼‍♂️.

@minacapella8319 2 месяца назад

I really can't stand seasonal content either. I feel like I'd be more okay with it if they were much longer and it was just an add on where you can pick between any released through the whole edition when playing.

@jtowensbyiii6018 2 месяца назад

@@minacapella8319that's how 99% of the content works

@gump1119 2 месяца назад

I couldn’t imagine playing the same exact game weekly for 3 years with no variety. But I play a lot. 1 year GHB feels too long to me. I want 6mos again.

@thebigapplegate5404 2 месяца назад

Juggz got me excited

@taylorrevis2378 2 месяца назад

I have to say of all the things im most excited about, the terrain changes for battleplans are my favorite.

@martinhgdahlzamastil4430 2 месяца назад

Love the video, great to get these insights, and love the excitement you bring. I agree that a mechanics that rewards you for "playing poorly/being unlucky" is tricky - how to balance that, but we need to see how its comes out in real tournaments, perhaps only real heavy players will be affected by this - loosing where they should have won narrowly.

@jarettduker1507 2 месяца назад

I was in the “fire battle tactics into the sun” camp in AoS3. So much so I pretty much stopped playing when 10tb came out last year. I hated how the game scoring was largely unrelated to what was happening on the board, and had more to do with “did I include a unit who can run in circles and do back flips in the corner so I can guarantee 5/5 BTs each game.” And if your codex does not have gimmie BTs, sorry come back next edition. Hoping score will more naturally reflect game state in the new edition.

@Waywardpaladin 2 месяца назад

I only play Path to Glory so I don't have to deal with battle tactics and people hemming and hawing for ten minutes try to figure out their gimme points

@raigomander2817 2 месяца назад

Thanks for another great video Rob! Regarding the underdog mechanic, I think that, even when the intention is good, it will be just another thing you play around. Players aren't gonna be oblivious of it and just score the most points they can in the early rounds, when that gives the opponent and advantage, without too much of a downside. It's like the current turn order: if you can afford it, you always want to give your opponent the turn, so that you get the extra CPs, and other battleplan specific perks, until you take the double turn in a decisive moment for the win. In AoS4, that's literally what will happen. You will just lay low until you can deliver a blow from which your opponent can't come back.

@neillcaughey6727 2 месяца назад

Always putting up great content thanks for your hard work. As someone consistently bottom tables I don’t initially like the underdog mechanic so much. Top table people will work out how to play around this/ pivot towards control and denying you points so will continue to smash it I recon. But the 3-2 2-3 area might become a bit more muddled. My couple of 2-3 results rather than 4-1 mean a lot more to me as it was a fair match I wouldn’t want to win a game because I’m not as good as someone else. But I’m sure it’ll still be fun as hell.

@Centurion_of_Terra 2 месяца назад

Time for some Robsplaining! Let's gooooo!

@spu00trb 2 месяца назад

I like the articles, but, I wish they would show off some of the new models to show these examples!

@craigmaxwell8352 2 месяца назад

I recently got back into the hobby when my mate gifted me a Death Guard combat patrol but I always loved vampire counts back in the 00s so I've gotten caught up in the AoS hype for 4th and bought some FEC. The rules as a newcomer feel really quite accessible and in many ways seem to be being implemented better than what I've seen from 40k so far. As such, we'll excited for AoS 4th

@MarkoFTW 2 месяца назад

As someone who is bringin in newbies into AoS and FRP, i love these changes. In FRP, it is easy, first session is introduction plus bit of combat. 2nd session is bit of combat, bit of skills, 3rd is lot of roleplay and bit of skillchecks, and 4th session is bit of all. By 5th session, most of new people are in, hooked, and started learning on their own to be better at the game. In 3.0 AoS that is extremely hard to do, but this 4th ed is more and more poised to be like that, and I love it!

@kylenelson4928 2 месяца назад

I have played about 2 games of AoS 3.0 and just went back to 40k. I am now super excited for AoS 4.0 and I'm thinking of even starting up a new CoS army.

@Shadowknightneo 2 месяца назад

I played 2nd Ed during lockdown. Completely skipped 3rd Ed and I am psyched for 4th Ed! Can't wait to get my Night haunt Ghost Bois on the table!

@andrewmcwherter1834 2 месяца назад

This spoiled battle actually makes me teal happy. To achieve max points you need to make the decision of controling three objectives or control two and deny one. It really disentives pile up in the middle if you want to win, which i know isnt everyones cup of tea, but it makes this tactical game, more tactical.

@pawe6199 2 месяца назад

I only wonder if You can manipulate that "underdog" advantage. Say You gonna let your opponent take more VP on first round and set up all your forces so when Your "underdog" turn comes next You hit them hard doing Your actual Alpha strike and annihilating their army. 🤔

@pawe6199 2 месяца назад

@@Adalon- if the catch up mechanic is not meaningful enough then it is useless. But if it is meaningful then it can support your 2nd turn alpha strike 100%

@LiamBarden 2 месяца назад

Doesnt the underdog get decided after a round - not after a turn?

@pawe6199 2 месяца назад

@@LiamBarden yeah what I meant is after a round when You gave up VP to be an underdog and in next round ur turn comes up

@gertgrobler7131 2 месяца назад

If maps are included for the battle plans everyone should play with them as is. If some people play with places of power and others not it will make all stats useless. Stats only work if everyone everywhere plays with the same rules.

@SVestige 2 месяца назад

What did you think of the fact that grand strats are gone in the article? Is that forever you think?

@hickdead6188 2 месяца назад

Yes please, show some play throughs

@ka5141 2 месяца назад

I'm new. In fact, I have my aos3 intro game in 8 hours! I decided to start up for 4 as it's always good place to start. You asked how I feel about the changes? Well, really, I don't feel anything. Because I don't really know how big a change any of it is. But I'm looking forward to 4, regardless. I'm hoping it echos the "try things out!" feel of Warmachime 2.

@Gekirin 2 месяца назад

The underdog mechanic can be really good if for instance, there's a minimum point gap to reach (like, you are the underdog if you have 2 points less than your opponent). That way, there's no tech of "I'm going to lose points to beat you with bonuses", but also that means the games are going to be more two-sided than "one shot and gg". But I know that the double turn thing can help a winning army to be the underdog, so wait and see for the point costs i'd say, because if we have more things on the board, that means we can have more units to tank the alpha strike and to hold objectives in our territory, so the person who is alpha striked can still score stuff So wait and see as they say, still hyped for new edition!

@richarddixon1450 2 месяца назад

If battle tactics are worth 4. Why havnt they made the player who chooses to take the double turn only score 2 ? Rather than 0. Just makes me feel that the double turn will be gone. Especially if primary is capped.

@charles7928 2 месяца назад

12 old battleplans is a good choice. We've always had a certain number of battleplans which weren't great. If we can have 12 solid battleplans thats a huge plus even if those battleplans are old. As for the underdog mechanic I think you're overstating the effect it will have. The underdog mechanic can help with your scoring but it doesn't bring back that key piece you lost. If I don't have any good units left +1 to hit wont help much. Battle tactics are a good idea poorly implemented in 3rd. I absolutely agree that they need to be more interactive. Hopefully the next article will be good. I'm not sure I understand the place of power complaint. Scenery benifits are available to both armies. Doesn't this balance things out if the terrain is mid board?

@leehowell8908 2 месяца назад

So the way that bodyguard rule reads is subtract one from attacks of models "in combat" with the general, not specifying attacks that target the general, does this mean if you have multiple units in combat with their one unit all their attacks regardless of target are minus one attack?

@OfPeas 2 месяца назад

4th edition so far looks 50/50 for me. I like magic/prayer system. I like the warscrolls. I like the keywords. But everything else just feels like a game that's being designed away from me. Feels when 4th edition launches I'm going to have to rewrite the game to fit my needs. But I shouldn't need to, and I feel the changes that I would want would allow everyone to have the game that they want. But instead it seems like they're designing the game for 2 groups of people. Beginners playing Spearhead, or tournament players. Everyone else, house rule the shit out of the game. The whole modular system is starting to feel pointless as well. When they talked about it, it sounded like a Lego type system. You have some blocks, take the blocks you want and build the game you want, awesome! Now it's feeling more like something else, like a modular house? Here's the modules, build your house, don't want that module in your house? You now have a giant hole in your house because that module is needed.

@cameronchen2346 2 месяца назад

What don’t you like? / what did you like about 3rd?

@OfPeas 2 месяца назад

@@cameronchen2346 Long winded reply here, sorry. I'm going with the assumption that battle tactics are going to be largely the same. Perhaps a bit less of them, no faction specific, whatever. They just add time to the game and often manipulate the player to building a list to get battle tactics done. So my friends and I don't play with them and most likely won't play with them in 4th edition. Which would be fine, we're not super competitive, but we like good games. I think the module system is being poorly used. Right now, I won't be playing with the Battle Tactics module, which means there's no deterrent to a double turn at all. So clearly the game as it is being shown off right now feels like you play the game Spearhead, or you play with all the rules. I think getting an extra command point for having less auxiliary drops is a mistake. If I have a unit I want to play with but it doesn't fit in my regiments I don't want to be punished for that, I already am giving up the first priority. I don't think the Underdog should get an extra command point. I think the player going second in a round should get the extra command point in an effort to weather certain things that might be coming up due to double turns. They have showed with the coming Battle Plans that there's already a focus on trying to support the Underdog. Leave it in the Battle Plans only. With the roles that they are creating for the units, getting your best "matchups" on the table is going to have a large influence on the game. Remember, I don't plan on playing with Battle Tactics. So now double turn is just going to let someone possibly play more into getting their matchups. With the new 3" range for all melee, getting your matchups could mean wiping a unit without a reply from the other player. (We tried using 3" range with 3rd edition rules, doesn't go super well.) So you build a list with an auxiliary drop. Your opponent falls behind a single victory point. Start of a new round, they now have 2 extra command points at the start of a round and they're getting the double turn. Just feels.....like it's being designed with certain players in mind.

@cameronchen2346 2 месяца назад

@@OfPeas thanks for your thoughts! I think you’re right that playing without tactics could leave the double being too strong. I’m not sure how they intend to balance not playing with certain modules if the points and other rules depend on them :/ I guess we’ll have to see

@OfPeas 2 месяца назад

@@cameronchen2346 It's a possibility they don't intend to balance it around that. Instead just swap like for like. Don't like this Battle Tactics Module? Put this one in instead. The stuff I listed is easy enough house rules to implement, hopefully nothing else really adds to my issues. As you said, we'll have to wait and see.

@nilsholzer6669 2 месяца назад

Can't you just play around your opponent not having one less VP than you? That way there's a whole new level of trying to manage that. Whether it's good or bad.

@markpandelidis2079 2 месяца назад

Importantly it doesn't say to a minimum of 1. Does that mean 1 attack units go to 0..... we've seen that Witchbane curse can make a wizard power level go to 0...so there's precedent already in an earlier article

@Jacoooify 2 месяца назад

Witchbane's Curse has it spelled out you can reduce to 0, which would suggest the fault or maybe Core Rules is that you can't reduce to 0 unless specified?

@TheTelexer 2 месяца назад

I started getting back into AOS a few months ago and played a few games, so it sounds like I'm AOS 4.0's target audience. I have mixed feelings about underdog mechanics. I like the idea of underdog mechanics for games when I'm playing casually with my brother, having beers and forgetting rules, if it means we will probably still have a fun time even if someone makes a big mistake early on. I'm not sure how much I like it for competitive games, for the reasons others have said: it could become just another system mechanic that experienced players will learn how to optimize, and it doesn't seem very fun to decide "should I be winning or not." And I definitely don't like that it feels detached from the narrative fantasy of the game - why will my dudes suddenly fight better near a specific objective when I have fewer victory points? How do they even know what victory points are??? It's the same as the problem with battle tactics - feels less like a fantasy simulation and more like a board game. I'm overall excited for the new edition though, and love these videos! When I was reading the WarCom article I literally thought, "I'll just wait until Rob explains it"

@kayosiiii 2 месяца назад

I genuinely think that not having points wasn't a mistake. Everything about the core rules design of GWs big skirmish games scream story game to me, having a game with some 20 odd asymmetrical factions , every unit having unique abilities. Having abilities that scale in different ways. Having a non gridded board with terrain. There's not really a way to make that a good competitive format. You can sort of get there if lock down aspects of the game, the total army size, the terrain, but only if there is a lot of rules churn. You have to change things fast enough that nobody gains mastery. Competive warhammer becomes a game of lonely people sitting in their rooms building armylists (and quite honestly this attracts a certain type of person) GWs mistake was cultivating this sort of gamer for a few decades then building a game for a different audience. You have to spend some time cultivating an audience for a game where you expect people to pay $100s of dollars on plastic figurines. I am happy that there are still narrative and open play options though. If they drop those it will kill my interest in AoS.

@eviltables7235 2 месяца назад

I don't think underdog mechanics are too good, makes everything feel like Mario Kart if they have too much of an effect. I think their main objective should have been to make AoS games faster but not sure if that will be happening yet, especially when underdog mechanics will make it more likely that a game has to be played until the last round.

@nickmayne1901 2 месяца назад

Great video just hate the concept of the underdog mechanic, if I’m playing well & being a great general I want to be rewarded for it not penalised for it, for me this fundamentally feels bad, but I’ll give it a chance, the proof is in the pudding 👍

@TobyGilham 2 месяца назад

Is the bodyguard reduction of attack characteristic not minimum 1? So setting people to 0 attacks

@masonblesi8387 2 месяца назад

The "To a minimum of 1" is likely to be a core rule I think, that way every attack reduction ability doesn't need that line of text.

@stuartshadwell7249 2 месяца назад

Three years is too soon for new edition. Too much to keep up with. May play 4th down the road

@bernhardeisl7382 2 месяца назад

Tbh I heard it is going to be streamlined, but so far (for me) it doesn't feel like it. I am a pretty casual player, but I am playing since the 1st edition.

@TrebleAmp 2 месяца назад

I’ve always wanted to play AoS. Got three half armies never played a game! 🫣

@thewellandvalley2103 2 месяца назад

It’s loads of fun…

@thesoothsayer9223 2 месяца назад

Rob they cut you a check for your terrain maps and keywords right? Surely

@KelstenGamingUK 2 месяца назад

Warhammer Community posts AoS posts an article. I read said article. I come to Rob to understand wtf I’ve just read.

@Nekorook 2 месяца назад

I realized what this video was missing. You need Val's event organizer sound. There was a gaping "wah wah wah wah" hole evetime you used the term.

@TobiasWVolledal 2 месяца назад

#INROBTHEHONESTWARGAMERSPERSONALOPINION

@GoldenRogueMinis 2 месяца назад

I’m not a fan of the underdog stuff it’s my least favourite thing about the new edition. I understand they want to make games more closely contested, BUT it feels a little like penalising someone for being good. So ultimately unless you can dominate a round you might be better losing it by 1 point in order to confer the advantages for the next round to score higher. Don’t like that at all. What do you think?

@skinwalker1841 2 месяца назад

so is faction specific terrian not used in matched play ?

@minacapella8319 2 месяца назад

Hard to say at this point.

@charles7928 2 месяца назад

This is what they mean by player placed terrain so it will be in the game.

@cullenasaro2229 2 месяца назад

My feeling so far on AoS4: "wow AoS 3 has been a really solid game, idk how GW can make it better without ruining what I like" GW: "Ok but we did"

@kevoreilly6557 2 месяца назад

Glad the game will be independent of skill or luck :) … why are we playing?

@brycedery9596 2 месяца назад

Mandatory terrain setups are boring AF to me; may have to pass AoS4 as well as 40K 10th.

@tahorn938 2 месяца назад

I generally agree with your sentiment on allowing for a high skill expression. I think GW is going a little overkill in the handholding. I think they’re really trying to target casual gamers who are on the fence about miniature wargames. They’re trying to create an ecosystem where a brand new player can jump in and either win by luck or not lose that badly to someone who’s been playing for 10 years. When you’re dealing with large skill gaps in a game like AoS or 40k you can address it in a few ways… you can lower the ceiling (limiting skill expression) or raise the floor (limiting how bad you get burned by making the wrong decision). The other thing you can do is create a ramp that new players can take that eventually merges into the main flow that the game plays in (this is what I imagine spearhead is trying to be) The issue I have here is that they’re lowering the ceiling, raising the floor, and building the on ramp. I guess we will have to wait an see how it works in practice but as of right now there just seems to be too many things they’re adding that take you away from the table so you and your opponent can discuss on the side all these new things you can do now in this battle plan since one of you is losing. If this seesaws every turn then it’s just less time spent actually playing the game.

@collywwob 2 месяца назад

I think maybe you are freaking out cos you don’t know what to do with all the extra CP you’re gonna have.

@shendu1337 2 месяца назад

its so sad and lazy from gw that they stil dont add ranges on there maps. having to caculate where each objective goes is tiresome. its rly not hard for them a couple numbers...

@TheOriginalsadistyx 2 месяца назад

Not liking this. I appreciate the new game ideas, but right out door I can think of a few new units that are going to be almost useless in these settings.

@WorldOfWeebcraft 2 месяца назад

If its hard for both players to win, why bother? Is there just less opportunities to make big plays? Dont want this to be age of stalemar

@minacapella8319 2 месяца назад

I like that youre saying "i dont fully think im a fan of this mechanic but id like to play it over for a few games and really see before i crap on it". That's not only a sign of maturity, youre also not going to scare anyone else off of the game, nor giving their opinions on it. I have some hold ups about aos4 currently but am very interested in giving it a try. Even with geedubz destroying one of my armies alongside probably over 1k points of my main army 🫠