Revelation 12 and the Woman Clothed with the Sun 

There’s only one true Religion, the Catholic Religion.

She’s the Holy Spirit, our true Heavenly Mother

@@Yahuah222 Were does it say this in the bible? I am not saying your wrong, but why would she be the holy spirit?

@@Yahuah222 She's not the Holy Spirit as she is not part of the Trinity .

@@Yahuah222 whether u believe in Islam or idolize Mary. U need to read exodus 20:4. Repent and trust in Jesus. There is only ONE MEDIATOR. Not two. He is the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through Jesus.

Catholics don't worship Mary. We honour her.

@@mjLes18 if you pray to someone u worship them. If u bow down to someone and believe they have power u worship them. That’s what Catholics do. Read exodus 20:4. Repent and trust in Jesus. There is only ONE MEDIATOR. Jesus is the way, truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father except through Jesus.

@@Alexander07865 Listen dear. With all due respect. Catholics do not worship Mary my friend. Stop this speculation. It's false. They ask Mary to pray for them ( Intercession) is not worship. And yes I agree Jesus is the only mediator to God but that does not mean you can not ask someone to pray for you. Christians do it all the time. Pray to one another. So why we pray for one another then? Don't get the text out of context.

@@ricardocineus3799 U guys having statues of Mary taller than buildings and bowing down and praying to and kneeling in front of those statues is an abomination. If u read in Exodus and Deuteronomy, God strictly forbids and he said a man is to be cursed if one makes a statue or carved image of someone or something and bows down or worships it. Exodus 20:4-6, Deuteronomy 4:16-19, Deuteronomy 16:21-22, Deuteronomy 27:15. How can u pray to someone to pray for u that makes no sense. U change the meaning of prayer and that's the problem, u pray to God and only to God and u ask him things and thank him for things. U don't pray to humans. Praying to humans is an abomination. U pray to God. Jesus said as it is written, u worship the Lord, your God and serve him ONLY. Luke 4:8. Rev 12 is talking about Israel. The Bible is clear on that. The Bible is also clear u go through Christ to get to the father not through Mary. 1 Timothy 2:5. Not through saints, the saints u pray to r physically dead and no one is in Heaven except God and his Angels. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. So u don't understand Mary and the saints aren't in Heaven because u have be Judged first. Heaven is ethereal. U can't go to Heaven than leave than go back. There is different realms of Heaven but the end destination like Heaven and the lake of fire in Hell is Ethereal. U ask people like your friends and family on earth who r alive not dead to pray for u but u always pray to God. Ur praying to dead people to pray for u which makes no sense. And it is an abomination to God. Deuteronomy 18:11. There is salvation in one name, the name of Jesus. Repent and put your faith and trust in Jesus and Jesus alone.

​@@Alexander07865When the rich man died, the Bible says he went to hell and Lazarus was in a place of comfort. The rich man was communicating with Abraham. If you read that passage, you will need to ask yourself: how was Abraham talking to the rich guy; how did Abraham know the things the rich man did; how did Abraham know about Moses who came much after him? It is God who gives some that knowledge. Those who die in God live on for eternity. No Catholic worships Mother Mary (it is a big lie); they seek her intercession with her Son. I think it would be wrong to assume that if the angels and saints can intercede for us (and, yes, it is Biblical), Mother Mary can't. Just look at who she bore in her womb! If placing a picture is idol worship, then we are all guilty of it. Every home has a picture of a loved one. We are not just spritual, but physical beings and that is why God manifests himself physically in history. A picture of Christ, or the crucifix, helps us connect. God himself instructed Moses to hold a bronze serpent high. He also instructed what should go on the ark of the covenant. If we speak and pray looking at a statue, it is who the statue represents that is the key. If it is that of a bull, then we are certainly in trouble.

My doctor is Greek born. BRILLIANT mind. He is learning about the Latin Rite. He asks great questions.

I agree with 9/10 of what you said. It really seems like they don’t listen and are filled with hate. But it’s possible

"They don't agree with how Catholics treat Mary" = "They are filled with hate for the woman who bore Christ". Got it. You don't sound fanatical at all.

It really depends on what you are talking about (as in, the specific dogma). Like most confessional protestants will agree with Mary being called theotokos, but won’t concede on the assumption or immaculate conception (not including perpetual virginity because not all deny it either, but a lot of them do). Still, the vast majority seem to lack any form of good mariology. Which makes sense because, if they did, they would probably stop being protestant.

What i don't understand is if they are filled with Holy Spirit then GOD wont deny this because she was sent by GOD himself.

Actions speak louder than words! Praying TO HER is WORSHIP not veneration! No need to argue I just completely disagree!

@@ttshiroma it is not worship we're asking her to pray for us how is that worship ?

@@ttshiroma if you're sick why pastor and priest come and pray for you

@@ttshiroma Worship involves sacrifice. We make no sacrifice to Mary, only to Jesus. Just admit that you don’t understand the Catholic veneration of the Blessed Mother. Just because you don’t understand it isn’t our fault. Don’t tell us what we believe. Any 8th grader could do the research from legitimate Catholic sources and inform themselves of what we actually believe.

Mary wasn't a virgin anymore she had 5 children after Jesus...

Mary is not the “queen of heaven”. The woman in Revelation 12 “flees to the wilderness “ after Jesus ascends to heaven. When did Mary ever flee into a wilderness after Jesus ascended to heaven? The dragon sends a flood out of his mouth to destroy the woman. When did Satan ever send a flood (an army) to pursue Mary?

Craig Alan Miller You shouldn’t drink and comment. Makes you sound like a babbling, incoherent alcoholic

Craig Alan Miller im pretty sure Satan means the accuser/ opposition/ adversary

@@sirk_7144 you can check the history....no one say that 5 children of Mary was true but Joseph previous wife and some cousin

She is blesses but she is not divine

Hey Bower. Thanks for your comment. We'll be trying to release more segments on different topics as time goes on. The Bible study from which this segment came, provided someone is interested in all of the topics Dr. Pitre covers in this series, can be found here: catholicproductions.com/products/why-we-believe-answer-common-questions-about-the-catholic-faith --- Thanks and God Bless you.

I read Ch 12 a while back, only saw the first verse as a clear vision of Mary. But a dragon and her fleeing to the desert confused me. After watching your video about Mary as the Queen Mother, and taking us through the evidence in both Matthew 1 and Luke 1 before Revelation 12, i went to read the chapter again and it really started to resemble the Nativity, like a heavenly perspective!!

SCENIC MUSIC VIDEOS Jesus also said Mark 3:35 35 Whoever does God’s will is my brother and sister and mother.”

Meaning what?

@@TheRgordon16that verse I believe is referring to the fact that if we do God's Will we can be like Holy Mary, Our HOPE, our Sweetness etc, Mary is the perfect disciple, She is our Hope in that She is a human perfectly submitted to God Grace! Her Assumption shows us our future, giving us hope! So we should look at Her life and seek to imitate Her, and Ask Her to show us how we can best serve Her Son and become perfect disciples!

@@isaachaar7439 Nonsense. Paul never writes about Mary. James (her own son) never wrote about her. Peter never wrote about her. Jude never said a word about her. The writer of Hebrews never wrote about her. And even John (the one whom Jesus told to look after her) never whote a word about her. Not a single word was written by the disciples that we should look to Mary as an example for being a perfect disciple. Paul often spoke of himself as an example. He reference other leaders as examples. But he never wrote about Mary. Jesus Himself never spoke of Mary as someone we should speak to. Jesus gave us access to Himself through our relationship with Him. We don't need Mary for anything. Jesus is all we need.

@@TheRgordon16 Without Mary we don't have Jesus, He needs a Mother to be Born... Not sure how someone could miss that...

They are asking for their prayers, we venerate them, a Saint in Heaven is no less a person on earth that I would ask for prayers from, our faith is very much a living family.

I don’t know any Catholics who worship the blessed mother or the saints. I know there are bastardized evil cults in Mexico and South America who pretend to be Catholic while literally worshipping false idols. This is the work of Satan who is the father of all lies.

They always assume! @@betaweighted6841 It's astonishing how non-Catholics like to tell us Catholics how and what we worship and believe.

@@1Andelina1 How do you know who's in heaven? God is the only one that knows our hearts. We do not know who is & isn't in heaven, so you really don't know what spirit you are talking to. Safer to just pray to the Father through Jesus as His word instructs.

Woman means FEMALE PERSON, not a country/kingdom/nation that got destroyed 2000 years ago for rejecting the Son of God Lord Jesus! How can a kingdom called i_srael soaked in wickedness and evil birthed The Son of God Lord Jesus? Again, you are basically posting false heretical views. REV 12 is a clear description of the battle between the woman who brought forth The Messiah King Jesus (Mary) and the dragon (devil) by John by witnessing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant of the NT (REV 11:19) revealing itself as the Queen Mother of heaven (crowned with 12 stars) battling the dragon in REV 12 in the end times. This war was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in GEN 3:15 when God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) meaning they are in perpetual battle eternally because Mary is the mother of the Lord God, the NT Gebirah, all mothers of the Davidic kings of Israel were rightfully called "Queen Mothers". The queenship in heaven is in PSALM 45:9 SIRACH 24. This is why Mary is the queen crowned with 12 stars seen by John in Revelation 12. Mary is the WOMAN of Revelation because she was always addressed as a woman / lady by his Son Jesus (JOHN 2; JOHN 19-25-29), Gnyai in the original Greek, a title of respect given to her office. GALATIANS 4:4-5 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a WOMAN, made under the law: 5 That he might redeem them who were under the law: that we might receive the adoption of sons.

No...for atleast first 500 years actually the church Fathers interpreted Revelation 12 as referencing the church being the woman i.e bride of Christ not Mary...when bodily assumption of Mary started coming in as a doctrinal possibility in the late 5th to early 6th century slowly you start getting interpretations moving towards it being Mary and not the church.

@@Adam-ue2ig Wrong. Epiphanus wrote in 374 AD the woman is the Virgin Mary. I see you lying all over RU-vid

Mary, Baby Jesus and Joseph (holy family) fled to the wilderness (Egyptian desert) to escape the persecution of Israel's King Herod. Woman means FEMALE PERSON, not a country/kingdom/nation that got destroyed 2000 years ago for rejecting the Son of God Lord Jesus! How can a kingdom called i_srael soaked in wickedness and evil birthed The Son of God Lord Jesus? REV 12 is a clear description of the battle between the woman who brought forth The Messiah King Jesus (Mary) and the dragon (devil) by John by witnessing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant of the NT (REV 11:19) revealing itself as the Queen Mother of heaven (crowned with 12 stars) battling the dragon in REV 12 in the end times. This war was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in GEN 3:15 when God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) meaning they are in perpetual battle eternally because Mary is the mother of the Lord God, the NT Gebirah, all mothers of the Davidic kings of Israel were rightfully called "Queen Mothers". The queenship in heaven is in PSALM 45:9 SIRACH 24. This is why Mary is the queen crowned with 12 stars seen by John in Revelation 12. Mary is the WOMAN of Revelation because she was always addressed as a woman / lady by his Son Jesus (JOHN 2; JOHN 19-25-29), Gnyai in the original Greek, a title of respect given to her office. GALATIANS 4:4-5 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a WOMAN, made under the law: 5 That he might redeem them who were under the law: that we might receive the adoption of sons.

They are nuts. Mary was married, but this woman was alone and tempted, not knowing God had a plan for her! Did you see the part where it said the EARTH helped the woman by opening its mouth? There, you can see she got help from people who assisted her with God's plan and purpose!

This is one reason why even church Fathers interpreted it as the church in revelation 12 and not Mary...when idea of bodily assumption of Mary starts coming in late 5th century slowly you get an interpretation shift towards Mary.

The woman is symbolic of the nation of Israel, and this verse is an obvious reference to Jesus and Isaiah 9:6-7 prophesies that this child will bear the government on His shoulder and there will be no end to His government and peace.

@@Adam-ue2ig The RCC shift many things to Mary that belong to Jesus & Israel.

She’s the Holy Spirit our true Heavenly Mother

Jong Ricafort the woman is Jerusalem (Galatians 4:26)

Thanks Isolde. Glad this helped!

I am happy to hear you say that Mary was not divine, but human. So many seem unable to understand that Mary could not possibly be divine, or Jesus would not have been human at all. I think you are misinterpreting Revelation 12, as it is referring to an actual SIGN IN HEAVEN that took place last September 23, 2017. The Sun, Moon and Stars were given to us for Signs, and this is clearly what the passage is pointing to as it LITERALLY happened in the sky/heavens last year. There are spiritual patterns and overtones of course that reference the virgin birth, but the Sign and the birth of the child in THIS context are referring to the BODY of the Christ Child, which is now understood to be believers in Christ the Messiah. Communion is not the only form of sacrifice that God recognizes. Praise, prayer and worship are all considered sacrifices unto the Lord. Some examples: Lev 7:12; Psa 50:14; Psa 119:108; Isa 57:19; Jer 33:11; Jer 33:18;Hos 14:2; Rom 12:1; Heb 12:28; 1Pet 2:5 Offering these sacrifices of Praise, PRAYER and Worship to any other than God the Father through our Lord Jesus Christ is Idolatry. JESUS is our High Priest and our only Intercessor - NO man comes to the Father but through HIM (John 14:6). Mary, as a blessed but HUMAN woman, is now ASLEEP until the resurrection and unable to answer prayers as that is what JESUS shed his blood to do. JESUS and JESUS alone is our intercessor according to HIS OWN instructions as well as the WORD OF GOD which He can NOT contradict, as HE IS that very Word made manifest in the flesh. There is no “Queen of Heaven” that we are instructed to worship or deify in ANY way in the Word of God. We are, as you yourself cited in Jeremiah, instead CLEARLY told that to do so is an ABOMINATION to our Father in Heaven, as it is Idolatry. May God BLESS you with revelation about the particular blessings and curses placed on the Book of Revelation, and enable you to see and teach the truth of His Word in Jesus’ name.

@@CatholicProductions Your video has just began and I know you are going to repeat some part of the lie! The woman in Revelation 12's Child was caught up to the throne of God at the time of birth. When Mary gave birth to Yehoshua he was not caught up to the throne of God. That woman is no symbol and she is not Mary. Mary was born by King David's linage so that when Yehoshua was born he fulfilled the promise by God's covenant through Judah. If you read Genesis 49:10 you will see that the sceptre would not depart from between Judah's feet until Shiloh came. So who is Shiloh to whom the obedience of the peoples belongs? In the first century when Yehoshua was born to Mary he had some obedient followers who began to make the 144,000 from the 12 tribes being what the 12 stars represents. But this woman was prophetic for God foretold through the Apostle Paul Hebrews 1:6 that he would again bring his Firstborn into the inhabited earth. This corresponds with the woman being arrayed with the sun and the moon beneath her feet. That is because when this woman gave birth to the Son of God in His second coming when he was caught away to his Father's throne to rule over earth with the 144,000 from the 12 tribes Rev. 7 and Rev. 14 there will no more be any need for the sun nor the moon to shine for Almighty God will be the light that will shine upon that city and the Lamb will be the lamp Revelation 21:22-27. The woman's Patriarch Jacob prophesied these two births in Genesis 49:25 by blessings of breasts and blessing of womb. That is because Mary nurtured her child when born to her in the first coming from King David's linage and also in the second coming when caught away to heaven. The second coming being prophesied all through the bible was to be by the Levitical priesthood linage of Phinehas to whom God Almighty gave a covenant promise that his offspring would have a covenant of a priesthood to time indefinite Numbers 25:10-13. That is because our King and High Priest will come in full power and Glory having the sceptre and commanders staff that will never depart from his possession. The Son of God who was named Jesus or Yehoshua in the First coming was called by those in heaven Emmanuel meaning when translated 'With Us Is God Matthew 1:22,23 which corresponds with Genesis 49:25.. Our King and High Priest has been born on two occasions by DNA from the lineage of Kings and also DNA from the linage of High Priest Phinehas that he will rule with 144,000 over earth in the manner of Melchizedek Hebrews 6:20 and Hebrews chapter 7 and chapter 8. This is prophesies fulfilment just prior to judgment that will come when the lies spoken of Revelation 12 is exposed and the truth is upheld.

@Josephine Muller Yes Rev. 21:1 was seen in the heavens as you stated. But verses 2-4 have also been fulfilled. In verse 2 the "travailing" is before the birth but Isa. 66:7 the birth has no travailing before the birth. The "woman" is scattered Isreal and the "child" is the nation of Isreal ready to be reborn after the "travailing" holocaust. The "wonder" in verse 3 is the constellation of the dragon. In it's tail is Ursa Minor where we get the symbol of the swastika. The tail wraps around Polaris making it is seen both day and night accusing the brethren, 12:10.. The heads and crowns are Muslim nations. Verse 4 the Jews are drawn into camps and ghettos. It is 1\3rd (6 million Jews) of the stars of heaven (Dan. 8:10, Gen. 22:17) they are cast to the earth (murdered). The woman (scattered Isreal) is ready to be delivered (1948 Isa. 66:8). The dragon tried to devour her child the day it was born. Verse 5 is the rapture of the body of CHRIST his church. Isa. 26:18-20, for which we watch for to come any day.

Thank you so much for more heresy from people that follow a pagan jesus that can't even save himself.

Horizontal intercession (as in 'please, pray for me') is only between living humans, not the living and the dead. Vertical intercession (as in 'Our Father, Who art in heaven, please forgive me') is only between Christ and living humans. Whatever you think of Mary ('theotokos', 'queen of heaven', etc.), she is dead. She can't intercede for you.

You are correct that the body dies, but the spirit and soul live on. Billy Graham, in his preaching, would often say your you can kill the body, but the soul will live forever either in heaven or hell. This why for example, suicide is not the end of the story. The bodies of the saints have died, you are correct, we don’t pray to their physical bodies we pray to their spirits which are very much alive! And so with Mary, although I will leave it to the theologians to discuss whether because she was without stain, her body and soul were taken up to Heaven? I appreciate the discussion and wishing you the peace of Christ during these challenging times!😀

@@cliffbarber1642 In ancient times it was said the dead went to Sheol. Christ said God can destroy the soul in the lake of fire (meaning, souls are not eternal). The apostles said the spirit returns to God but the dead is asleep until Christ gathers his people at the last trump. So, I insist, Mary can't intercede for you, because she is waiting for the resurrection just as every other saint. Edit: Sorry! Peace to you as well.

@@foolfether Thank you! Although the Catholics mean well, they are sadly mistaken in the role they've given to Mary that was never hers. The other poster is correct in that the soul never dies. But all souls are currently in a waiting place. The bible tells us, the dead has no knowledge of what is happening under the sun. That would include Mary.

@@blazinga1200 I think Catholics and Orthodox make the same categorical mistake: they equate the archetype and it's manifestations. The archetype is the Virgin; some of it's manifestations are Israel (as the ancient people brought out of Egypt), Mary (mother of Jesus) and the Church (as the chosen people, both Jews and Gentiles). Apart from that, how do you know souls are eternal if Jesus said God will destroy the souls sent to the lake of fire?

Veneration is not worshipping but honoring your mother

Revelation.12 of God to John what he saw. WOMAN would he say anything else. Cloth with sun moon under her feet. Mary proof she gone assumption in heaven. When Jesus was on the cross Jesus called her mother Woman and John would look after her when.Jesus. In genesis God said he will put enmity between snake and Woman. God plan of salvation If Jesus is new Adam. Mary is the new eve spotless no original sin. Holy spirit spouse. Woman in genesis woman in.Jesus foot of the cross with John and Woman describe by John in revelation 12 the same woman. Queen of heaven that is automatic Jesus being the King of Heaven. Like King Solomon his mother has a seat as queen. Revelation.12 woman mother Mary would not get less.

Mary is the new assumption is called dormition assume in heaven No relics of Mary found by archeologist. Dormition assume or assumption not new. The assumption to heaven without physical death of Enoch. Elijah. Moses. Straight to heaven no physical death. How much more to the Mother of the living.Christ

Amen yes you’re right. The woman here is Israel referred in Isaiah etc. I’ve subscribed to your RU-vid channel and I now have started a youtube channel with 31 videos to date Kindly subscribe and share and comment and watch.

300 Swords of light Well if you want to talk about The Lady of Guadalupe look 👀 up the information and start talking about her. This is about Mary in Heaven.

Thats mary.

Fatima also ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YCzryXT_whk.html

Yes. Not his mother of the flesh that housed the Spirit of God.

@@aaronsanchez4217 The difference between Christ and Mary. The Roman's of the Roman's Empire would worship the Virgin Mary before the son of God was born. Christians never did worship Mary Christians serve Our Heavenly Father and his commandments under his Covenant seperate from Roman Catholic synagogues.

27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and blessed are the breasts that nursed You.” 28But He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.” Same statues (idols) used by the Pagans venerating the "Queen of Heaven" and Son Tammuz sit it Catholic churches with the names changed to Mary and Jesus.

Alright. Now give your proof that's it wrong. Anyone can make a claim. It's in the evidence we see it's validity

Louie Lopez Please provide a refutation of the assertions presented.

Mary did not experience any physical pain in birthing Christ, but emotional/mental pain (tormented/anguish) or "Odinousa kai basanizomene in the original Greek (REV 12:2). And pain already existed with our without original sin, pain was only intensified in GEN 3:16 when Adam and Eve fell from grace. Whose womb did Christ came from ? THAT IS MARY read REV 12 v5; LUKE 1; ISA 7:14. GREEK INTERLINEAR BIBLE: REV 12:2 kai en gastri echousa krazei Odinousa kai basanizomenE AND IN BELLY HAVING she-IS-CRYING PAINING / TRAVAILING AND BEING-ORDEALED / Being-tormented 2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and Pained to be delivered. Mary suffered birth pangs (labor pains) means a sudden sharp pain or painful emotion. Not physical and it is used metaphorically all over scripture including to men. Revelation is an apocalyptic literature unique to the 1st century. It contains varied symbolism and multiple meanings of the woman (Mary, the Church and I-s-r-a-el). The birth pangs describe both the birth of the Church and Mary's offspring being formed in Christ. Mary had no birth pains in delivering her only Son Jesus because Mary is the Immaculate Conception. Word describing woman "in anguish" (basanizomene) in REV 12:2 is never used in Old or NT to describe actual physical birth pains, it refers to torment/sorrow in general. So it may refer to something other than normal physical birth pains. (birth pains are his death, his birth and ascension refer to his resurrection.) If REV 12:5 is the metaphorical birth of Christ's death/resurrection, it is another clear link between REV 12 and JOHN 19. So passion/resurrection=sorrow/joy of birth process in REV 12. ISA 66:7 - for example, we see Isaiah prophesying that before she (Mary) was in labor she gave birth; before her pain came upon her she was delivered of a son (Jesus). This is a Marian prophecy of the virgin birth of Jesus Christ. [ ISA 66:7 BEFORE she travailed, she brought forth; BEFORE her pain came, she was delivered of a man child. ] ISA 66:7-10 shows Zion's labor pains, bringing forth children and rejoicing. ISA 26:17-21 Sorrow, then joy with the imagery of the dead rising. This solidifies the link between JOHN 19 and Revelations 12. GAL 4:19 - Paul also describes his pain as birth pangs in forming the disciples in Christ. Birth pangs describe formation in Christ. [ GAL 4:19 - My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, ] ROM 8:22 - also, Paul says the whole creation has been groaning in travail before the coming of Christ. We are all undergoing birth pangs because we are being reborn into Jesus Christ. [ ROM. 8:22 "For we know that every creature groaneth and travaileth in pain, even till now."] JER 13:21 - Jeremiah describes the birth pangs of Israel, like a woman in travail. Birth pangs are usually used metaphorically in Scriptures. HOS. 13:12-13 - Ephraim is also described as travailing in childbirth for his sins. Again, birth pangs are used metaphorically. [ HOS. 13:12-13 "The iniquity of Ephraim is bound up, his sin is hidden. The sorrows of a woman in labour snail come upon him, he is an unwise son: for now he shall not stand in the breach of the children." (Ephraim is also described as travailing in childbirth for his sins. Again, birth pangs are used metaphorically.) ] MICAH 4:9-10 - Micah also describes Jerusalem as being seized by birth pangs like a woman in travail. [ MIC 4:9-10 "Now, why art thou drawn together with grief? Hast thou no king in thee, or is thy counsellor perished, because sorrow hath taken thee as a woman in labour? Be in pain and labour, O daughter of Sion, as a woman that bringeth forth: for now shalt thou go out of the city, and shalt dwell in the country, and shalt come even to Babylon, there thou shalt be delivered: there the Lord will redeem thee out of the hand of thy enemies." (Micah also describes Jerusalem as being seized by birth pangs like a woman in travail.) ] REV 12:13-16 - in these verses, we see that the devil still seeks to destroy the woman even after the Savior is born. This proves Mary is a danger to satan, even after the birth of Christ. This is because God has given her the power to intercede for us, and we should invoke her assistance in our spiritual lives. Birth imagery is used to describe the resurrection: (1 COR 15:20, 36; COL 1:18; ACTS 13:33; JOHN 12:24, 16, 16:20-21; REV 1:5). Birth pang imagery equals Christ's sufferings at cavalry: shown in JOHN 16:20-21, and Acts 2:24. The gospel John depicts Mary becoming the mother of the beloved disciple in ways that evoke Lady Zion giving birth to the messianic people. (JOHN 16:20-21; Is. 27:17-18; Is. 66:7-14). The quotations also show men having birthing pains showing that this does not necessarily mean what one would first assume it means. Holy Tradition and Holy Scripture tells us that our Blessed Mother was conceived without original sin and was immaculate. Thus also through the writings of the Church Fathers we know that Mary did not suffer from birthing pangs in same light that one experiences in real childbirth. REV 12 is not a contradiction of ISA 66:7, and the Immaculate Conception.

Hello Phume Mdlui. Jesus died on the cross for our sins. This was part of God's plan and his sacrificial death was required to fulfill God's perfect plan to save us. There is a mountain of historical evidence of Christ's torture and crucifixion (death). Christ resurrected, revealed himself (thousands of witnesses including his disciples), and went to Heaven. Mary was a human woman (Blessed and above most for sure! Amen) and died and was buried. No where in the bible does it suggest that she was anything other than human. Mary had other children besides Jesus. Thus Jesus had brothers. This is clearly stated in the New Testament. Jesus was her first born and she was a virgin and it was an immaculate conception, true. The bible doesn't suggest Mary didn't die or that she was "assumed" into heaven. This is a false and heretical doctrine with no evidence. I'm sorry to report this to you. Please read your bible and lean on God's word and pray for understanding. You can learn more when you remove the tradition of man from between God and you. God bless you! :) I am a former Catholic and wow, what a blessing to remove the man-made traditions of the Papacy, and to connect directly with Jesus. It's all right there. Amen.

No .....Eve Is not Queen of heaven...Mary is the Queen ....because she is the mother of God......Eve is not the mother of God

Hey Oscar, care to make explicit what you’re implying? Thanks for your comments.

U see when u being fed poop this ^^ is the out come.

@@JesusmySalvation huh

Woman means FEMALE PERSON, not a country/kingdom/nation that got destroyed 2000 years ago for rejecting the Son of God Lord Jesus! How can a kingdom called i_srael soaked in wickedness and evil birthed The Son of God Lord Jesus? Again, you are basically posting false heretical views. REV 12 is a clear description of the battle between the woman who brought forth The Messiah King Jesus (Mary) and the dragon (devil) by John by witnessing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant of the NT (REV 11:19) revealing itself as the Queen Mother of heaven (crowned with 12 stars) battling the dragon in REV 12 in the end times. This war was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in GEN 3:15 when God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) meaning they are in perpetual battle eternally because Mary is the mother of the Lord God, the NT Gebirah, all mothers of the Davidic kings of Israel were rightfully called "Queen Mothers". The queenship in heaven is in PSALM 45:9 SIRACH 24. This is why Mary is the queen crowned with 12 stars seen by John in Revelation 12. Mary is the WOMAN of Revelation because she was always addressed as a woman / lady by his Son Jesus (JOHN 2; JOHN 19-25-29), Gnyai in the original Greek, a title of respect given to her office. GALATIANS 4:4-5 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a WOMAN, made under the law: 5 That he might redeem them who were under the law: that we might receive the adoption of sons.

It is obviously Mary

Someone doesnt know Gebirah

Did you hear the last part of the video he said they are different!ofcourse that was a pagan GOD mary was not,is Mary born in the times of Jeremiah??ofcourse not!🤣🤣🤣✌️✌️✌️ The lady who worship by the jews in the times of jeremiah was a PaganGOD, not the MOTHER of CHRIST!

Pagan Catholics

@@xronald619x you cannot even connect your origin back to the appostles, you will only stop to martin luther.🤣🤣🤣👎👎👎

@@paolopaolo9353 the romans persecuted the disciples everywhere and threw them in prison. And Martin Luther had balls to reform the church and separate from the pagan Catholics. Only good thing that has come out of the Catholic church is pope pio who tried to reform the Catholic church and got tortured to death for it. You catholics have a catechism and completely abandon and twist the bible. And not to mention the romans killed Jesus Christ

This is why i don’t think it’s Mary. I feel The answers are in Daniel, Genesis, Isaiah, and Ezekiel etc. It’s also helpful to remember the exegetical placement of John’s intention with revelation. John is an exiled well read apostle of the tanakh on a guarded island whose outgoing letters are censored. To read Revelation extremely literally, or plainly would be a mistake. Please Keep that in mind here. in the OT, the imagery of the sun, moon, and stars refers to the nation of Israel. Joseph said, “I have had still another dream; and behold, the sun and the moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me” (Gen. 37:9). Osborne writes, “In Jewish literature ‘twelve stars’ often refers to the twelve patriarchs or the twelve tribes.” the Bible frequently uses the imagery of a woman to refer to Israel, Zion, or Jerusalem. Paul writes, “The Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother” (Gal. 4:26). Jeremiah writes, “Surely, as a woman treacherously departs from her lover, so you have dealt treacherously with Me, O house of Israel” (Jer. 3:20; c.f. Isa. 54:1-6; Ezek. 16:8-14; Hos. 2:19-20; Micah 4:9-10). the image of being protected by eagle’s wings refers to Israel. In Exodus 19:4, we read, “You yourselves have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles’ wings, and brought you to Myself.” This seems to fit with the language in Revelation 12:14, where we read, “The two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she could fly into the wilderness to her place, where she was nourished.” the Woman is protected in the wilderness for 1,260 days. This fits with the prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27, which is directed to Israel (“your people and your holy city”). This iteration of 3.5 years is mentioned five times through this section of Revelation (Rev. 11:2; 11:3; 12:6; 12:14; 13:5). Clearly, this time span of three and a half years must be important to the author. This seems to fit with Neros persecution, where the beast is in power (Dan. 9:26-27). Daniel 12 predicted that Michael would rise up at this time to protect Israel-not the Church (Dan. 12:1). Daniel writes, “Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued” (Daniel 12:1). We see a fulfillment of this, when John writes, “There was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war” (Rev. 12:7). Jesus is said to rule the nations with a rod of iron. In Revelation 19:15, we read, “From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron.” Thus the man-child of verse 5 must be Jesus-not the Church. So, good news here. This is already happened. This was the conflict where Rome destroyed Jerusalem. This is a good thing. This allowed the church to fully exist with the gentiles within the seven churches of revelation and Rome thus cutting off the Jews by means of their destruction. This is a loving criticism, not a damning anger lashing outburst. Revelation within itself shows you history fulfilled, and how the church continued after Jerusalem fell but you can’t know that unless you read the entire Tanakh.

Woman means FEMALE PERSON, not a country/kingdom/nation that got destroyed 2000 years ago for rejecting the Son of God Lord Jesus! How can a kingdom called i_srael soaked in wickedness and evil birthed The Son of God Lord Jesus? Again, you are basically posting false heretical views. REV 12 is a clear description of the battle between the woman who brought forth The Messiah King Jesus (Mary) and the dragon (devil) by John by witnessing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant of the NT (REV 11:19) revealing itself as the Queen Mother of heaven (crowned with 12 stars) battling the dragon in REV 12 in the end times. This war was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in GEN 3:15 when God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) meaning they are in perpetual battle eternally because Mary is the mother of the Lord God, the NT Gebirah, all mothers of the Davidic kings of Israel were rightfully called "Queen Mothers". The queenship in heaven is in PSALM 45:9 SIRACH 24. This is why Mary is the queen crowned with 12 stars seen by John in Revelation 12. Mary is the WOMAN of Revelation because she was always addressed as a woman / lady by his Son Jesus (JOHN 2; JOHN 19-25-29), Gnyai in the original Greek, a title of respect given to her office. GALATIANS 4:4-5 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a WOMAN, made under the law: 5 That he might redeem them who were under the law: that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Exactly. Like Joseph dream In Genesis 37:9 9 Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. “Listen,” he said, “I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.” The dream meant his brothers, mom, and dad will bow down to him.He mentioned 11 because with him its 12. They are the 12 tribes of Israel. Revelations 12 is Israel not Mary 🤦‍♀️

@@vee1072 that's right 👍

Woman means FEMALE PERSON, not a country/kingdom/nation that got destroyed 2000 years ago for rejecting the Son of God Lord Jesus! How can a kingdom called i_srael soaked in wickedness and evil birthed The Son of God Lord Jesus? Again, you are basically posting false heretical views. REV 12 is a clear description of the battle between the woman who brought forth The Messiah King Jesus (Mary) and the dragon (devil) by John by witnessing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant of the NT (REV 11:19) revealing itself as the Queen Mother of heaven (crowned with 12 stars) battling the dragon in REV 12 in the end times. This war was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in GEN 3:15 when God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) meaning they are in perpetual battle eternally because Mary is the mother of the Lord God, the NT Gebirah, all mothers of the Davidic kings of Israel were rightfully called "Queen Mothers". The queenship in heaven is in PSALM 45:9 SIRACH 24. This is why Mary is the queen crowned with 12 stars seen by John in Revelation 12. Mary is the WOMAN of Revelation because she was always addressed as a woman / lady by his Son Jesus (JOHN 2; JOHN 19-25-29), Gnyai in the original Greek, a title of respect given to her office. GALATIANS 4:4-5 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a WOMAN, made under the law: 5 That he might redeem them who were under the law: that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Hehehe you are a bot for sure ...a stupid bot too

Prove it since you're trying to use Sola scriptura. Where does it say that? Or it's your own interpretation what you think it is.

Woman means FEMALE PERSON, not a country/kingdom/nation that got destroyed 2000 years ago for rejecting the Son of God Lord Jesus! How can a kingdom called i_srael soaked in wickedness and evil birthed The Son of God Lord Jesus? Again, you are basically posting false heretical views. REV 12 is a clear description of the battle between the woman who brought forth The Messiah King Jesus (Mary) and the dragon (devil) by John by witnessing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant of the NT (REV 11:19) revealing itself as the Queen Mother of heaven (crowned with 12 stars) battling the dragon in REV 12 in the end times. This war was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in GEN 3:15 when God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) meaning they are in perpetual battle eternally because Mary is the mother of the Lord God, the NT Gebirah, all mothers of the Davidic kings of Israel were rightfully called "Queen Mothers". The queenship in heaven is in PSALM 45:9 SIRACH 24. This is why Mary is the queen crowned with 12 stars seen by John in Revelation 12. Mary is the WOMAN of Revelation because she was always addressed as a woman / lady by his Son Jesus (JOHN 2; JOHN 19-25-29), Gnyai in the original Greek, a title of respect given to her office. GALATIANS 4:4-5 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a WOMAN, made under the law: 5 That he might redeem them who were under the law: that we might receive the adoption of sons.

The Hail Mary prayer stems from two passages in the gospel of Luke. The first one, found in Luke 1:28, says, “Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you!” This was mentioned by the angel Gabriel when she greeted Mary. The second passage can be found in Luke 1:42, and it says, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!” These words were said by Elizabeth when she visited Mary and greeted her. We say "Mother of God" because she is the mother of Jesus, and Jesus is God.

Vain repetitions is different from repetitions. Our Lord does not condemn the practice of praying in public assemblies (Luke 18:10); the words here are hyperbolic. He does not condemn the practice in praying in the streets. He condemns the practice of deliberately striking a pious attitude for public notice. Matthew 26:44 Jesus prayed a third time, saying the same thing again. Luke 18:13 Collector kept beating his breast and praying be merciful to me a sinner. 1 Thessalonians 5:17 Pray without ceasing. Revelation 4:8 Repeat day and night, "Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord". [ Repetitious Prayer. ] 1 Kings 18:25-29 Example of vain repetition: call Baal for hours. Matthew 6:7 Do not babble like pagans with their many words.

I read something a long time ago that the man who designed the European flag had Mary and the 12 stars in mind although he didn't explicitly state it.

Our spiritual mother is Mary because she birthed the Lord Jesus - The Mystical Body of the church. The church established by Jesus is The New Davidic Kingdom, and the kingdom always has the Gebirah/Queen Mother, her subjects are her children. 2ND REV 12 is a clear description of the battle between the woman who brought forth The Messiah King Jesus (Mary) and the dragon (devil) by John by witnessing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant of the NT (REV 11:19) revealing itself as the Queen Mother of heaven (crowned with 12 stars) battling the dragon in REV 12 in the end times. This war was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in GEN 3:15 when God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) meaning they are in perpetual battle eternally because Mary is the mother of the Lord God, the NT Gebirah, all mothers of the Davidic kings of Israel were rightfully called "Queen Mothers". The queenship in heaven is in PSALM 45:9 SIRACH 24. This is why Mary is the queen crowned with 12 stars seen by John in Revelation 12. Mary is the WOMAN of Revelation because she was always addressed as a woman / lady by his Son Jesus (JOHN 2; JOHN 19-25-29), Gnyai in the original Greek, a title of respect given to her office. GALATIANS 4:4-5 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a WOMAN, made under the law: 5 That he might redeem them who were under the law: that we might receive the adoption of sons.

albusai Please explain what you mean? I think you’re comparing a dream to a vision.

DashikiMe Clothing the woman is the Hebrews, Mary was not protected 3and a half years

Sorry, but I’m going to take multiple scriptures that say he’s right and assume you are misinterpreting one verse.

@@dashikimeclothing2908 In the dream in Genesis 37:9-10, we see the father rebuke Joseph, by saying, What is this dream you had? Will your mother and I and your brothers actually come and bow down to the ground before you?” (v10). But as it turns out, the father was wrong and Joseph's dream is correct. They all bow down to the Son, who represents Jesus. The father (Joseph), the mother (Mary) and the brothers and sisters (James, Joseph and Jude) all bow down to Joseph (Jesus). We know Mary was His earthly mother, which is a blessing, and should not be discounted. Interesting this account is only found in the gospel of Luke. However the scriptures which shows that Mary did not play a Spiritual role is found in all three synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark and Luke), and we see, "While Jesus was preaching to His followers, some had informed Him, 'Your mother and brothers are outside.' He replied, 'Here are my mother and brothers! For whoever does the will of God, he is my mother and brother.'" (Mark 3:31-35; Matthew 12:46-50; Luke 8:19-21). This shows that Mary is equal to everyone else in the salvific plan of redemption, she is a sinner in need of a savior, just like us. Spiritually, Mary is equal to all believers, "For all have fallen short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). It made me cry tears of pain, when I read the documents, containing these heresies about Mary. They've raised her to such a level, that one would have to assume she is a created, yet eternal, deity. The state once that she was created, but the rest of the time they assign eternal characteristics to her. Stating that Jesus gave her all access to everything, including her feeling His pain on the cross, giving her credit for the defeat of Satan. Her 'ancient' soul was infused into her body with all the grace of God and gifts of the Holy Spirit, she was innocent and free from the stain of original sin, so she didn't have to wait for redemption, so her body and soul could be assumed immediately into heaven without suffering decay of the grave. Once taken into heaven, she was immediately glorify and sat down as Queen, at the right hand of Jesus, her spouse, the King of the ages, the Redeemer. This can all be found in the Munificentissimus Deus and the ​Ineffabilis Deus, which are their ex cathedra dogmas which are to be divinely inspired as well as infallible. They are truly doctrines of demons and blasphemous heresies.

albusai you are so confused! I don’t know how you can compare that passage with Revelation 12 but I guess you have better and more knowledgeable than Pitre, Hahn, Bergsma, and a long list of (now) Catholic men, the list of Saints of the church you are not even close to knowing. I don’t think that you know what you are talking about. You contradict everything else that is in the Bible that were prophetic in regards to Jesus and Mary. You ignore everything. But some ‘great teacher’ gave you better insight than and an enormous list of people that laid the foundation of the Catholic Church that you are clearly not a part of. If I had to make a bet, I would bet that you are a JW.

The woman in Rev . 12 is Israel the stars in the Crown are the 12 Tribes of Israel The Sun is Israel and the moon is his wife , Genesis 37 ; Joseph had the same vision and told Jacob his father that him and Rachael his wife and his 11 brothers will bow down to him . Jacob `s name was changed to Israel . Isaiah 66 : 7 - 10 and Micah 4 : 10 tells who the woman is that bring forth the Man Child and . this is during the tribulation , Mary has been dead 2000+ years .

@@donaldcooley897 In Genesis(creation) The Sun represents Jesus The Moon represents Satan The Stars(hosts) represents the Angels of Light The Brighter Light Sun(Jesus) will rule over the lesser Light Moon(Satan) Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there(No Moon); and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever. This is God saying satan will be destroyed Thats why the Moon is under her feet. and she is Clothed with the Sun... Jesus Glory

@@sunnydayz8747 We are talking about Rev. 12 which John saw in a vision of a woman in heaven The Sun , Moon and a crown of 12 Stars which represents Israel and the 12 Tribes . Joseph saw the save vision in Genesis 37 : 9 - 10 ; and told Jacob his father who is called Israel , In this case The scriptures in Genesis are not talking about creation or typology . it is talking about a vision that Joseph had and the same vision John had in Rev. 12 ; they are both Israel and the 12 tribes. Mary is no where in the picture she is dead and has been for over 2000 years

"Pangs" is not the same as Labor pains

@@donaldcooley897 The sign of Immanuel, 7:10-13 To that Isaiah replied, " Listen now, descendants of King David. It's bad enough for you to wear out the patience of people - must you wear out God's patience too? 13 WILL THEN,THE LORD HIMSELF WILL GIVE YOU A SIGN, A YOUNG WOMAN * WHO IS PREGNANT WILL HAVE A SON AND WILL NAME HIM IMMANUEL 💙 Mary Mother of God the Queen of heaven 💙 and 🌎 earth

Woman means FEMALE PERSON, not a country/kingdom/nation that got destroyed 2000 years ago for rejecting the Son of God Lord Jesus! How can a kingdom called i_srael soaked in wickedness and evil birthed The Son of God Lord Jesus? Again, you are basically posting false heretical views. REV 12 is a clear description of the battle between the woman who brought forth The Messiah King Jesus (Mary) and the dragon (devil) by John by witnessing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant of the NT (REV 11:19) revealing itself as the Queen Mother of heaven (crowned with 12 stars) battling the dragon in REV 12 in the end times. This war was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in GEN 3:15 when God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) meaning they are in perpetual battle eternally because Mary is the mother of the Lord God, the NT Gebirah, all mothers of the Davidic kings of Israel were rightfully called "Queen Mothers". The queenship in heaven is in PSALM 45:9 SIRACH 24. This is why Mary is the queen crowned with 12 stars seen by John in Revelation 12. Mary is the WOMAN of Revelation because she was always addressed as a woman / lady by his Son Jesus (JOHN 2; JOHN 19-25-29), Gnyai in the original Greek, a title of respect given to her office. GALATIANS 4:4-5 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a WOMAN, made under the law: 5 That he might redeem them who were under the law: that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Joseph is not a woman. Woman means FEMALE PERSON, not a country/kingdom/nation that got destroyed 2000 years ago for rejecting the Son of God Lord Jesus! How can a kingdom called i_srael soaked in wickedness and evil birthed The Son of God Lord Jesus? Again, you are basically posting false heretical views. REV 12 is a clear description of the battle between the woman who brought forth The Messiah King Jesus (Mary) and the dragon (devil) by John by witnessing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant of the NT (REV 11:19) revealing itself as the Queen Mother of heaven (crowned with 12 stars) battling the dragon in REV 12 in the end times. This war was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in GEN 3:15 when God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) meaning they are in perpetual battle eternally because Mary is the mother of the Lord God, the NT Gebirah, all mothers of the Davidic kings of Israel were rightfully called "Queen Mothers". The queenship in heaven is in PSALM 45:9 SIRACH 24. This is why Mary is the queen crowned with 12 stars seen by John in Revelation 12. Mary is the WOMAN of Revelation because she was always addressed as a woman / lady by his Son Jesus (JOHN 2; JOHN 19-25-29), Gnyai in the original Greek, a title of respect given to her office. GALATIANS 4:4-5 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a WOMAN, made under the law: 5 That he might redeem them who were under the law: that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Woman means FEMALE PERSON, not a country/kingdom/nation that got destroyed 2000 years ago for rejecting the Son of God Lord Jesus! How can a kingdom called i_srael soaked in wickedness and evil birthed The Son of God Lord Jesus? Again, you are basically posting false heretical views. REV 12 is a clear description of the battle between the woman who brought forth The Messiah King Jesus (Mary) and the dragon (devil) by John by witnessing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant of the NT (REV 11:19) revealing itself as the Queen Mother of heaven (crowned with 12 stars) battling the dragon in REV 12 in the end times. This war was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in GEN 3:15 when God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) meaning they are in perpetual battle eternally because Mary is the mother of the Lord God, the NT Gebirah, all mothers of the Davidic kings of Israel were rightfully called "Queen Mothers". The queenship in heaven is in PSALM 45:9 SIRACH 24. This is why Mary is the queen crowned with 12 stars seen by John in Revelation 12. Mary is the WOMAN of Revelation because she was always addressed as a woman / lady by his Son Jesus (JOHN 2; JOHN 19-25-29), Gnyai in the original Greek, a title of respect given to her office. GALATIANS 4:4-5 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a WOMAN, made under the law: 5 That he might redeem them who were under the law: that we might receive the adoption of sons.

the woman is the philippines and thte sun is the flag of Phil.and the stars are there but only 3 i dont know where s the other china is the red dragon

and the dragon stood in phil sea or the south china sea

Sorry, but the woman in REV 12 is Mary first and foremost because she is the mother of the Lord God Jesus. The woman described by John is Mary (REV 12:5), she brought forth the Messiah King, she is seen as the NT Gebirah/Queen Mother of heaven and the Ark in heaven in REV 11:19 because Mary carried the Lord God in the NT. 2ND Mary is hated by the devil and in perpetual battle because God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) in GEN 3:15, and this big battle was seen by John in REV 12 were Mary (woman) and the dragon (devil) is fighting in the end times. 3rD Mary, Jesus and Joseph was exiled to the wilderness (desert) of Egypt to escape persecution by King Herod (enemy). 4TH Israel is not a woman, it is a kingdom/country that was destroyed 2000 years ago for rejecting the Son of God Jesus, it is a kingdom that has a history of disobedient to God since the OT.

@@alfray1072 thats an extreme stretch common place with unregenerated unbelievers. Meaning only unbelievers read the surface content and assume that which is untrue. Most of chapter 12 is the tribes of Israel. You can’t infer queen of heaven and then have her run to the wilderness being chased by a flood. These are events prophesied yet to happen and echoed by Isaiah 40.

@@bobbyrice2858 lol The 12 tribes of Israel is a foreshadowing of the 12 apostles appointed by Jesus (Offices). And that is part of the crown worn by the woman of the Apocalypse / The Ark seen by John in heaven and that is no one else but MARY because Mary brought forth the Messiah King Jesus, that is why she is hated by the devil and at war with her since the fall of man because God gave enmity between Mary (woman) and the devil (serpent) because Mary carried the SEED (Jesus). The only false queen is your queen james ghay bible LOL

@@alfray1072 In Revelation 12, some of the symbols are very clear, while others are not. The “red dragon” is no doubt Satan. John explicitly tells us that “the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan” (v.9; c.f. v.12). In addition, he wages war with Michael-the archangel-in heaven (v.7). Moreover, he is colored red, because he is drenched in the blood of believers (similar to the red horse of Revelation 6:4). He has a crown on his head (Rev. 12:3), as the current prince or ruler of the Earth (Jn. 12:31; 14:30; 16:11; Eph. 2:2; 2 Cor. 4:4). While the dragon imagery is clear, who is the woman whom he persecutes? Three primary answers are typically offered: Israel? Premillennial interpreters argue that the woman is the nation of Israel. Advocates of this interpretation make a number of observations about the woman: First, in the OT, the imagery of the sun, moon, and stars refers to the nation of Israel. Joseph said, “I have had still another dream; and behold, the sun and the moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me” (Gen. 37:9). Osborne writes, “In Jewish literature ‘twelve stars’ often refers to the twelve patriarchs or the twelve tribes.”[1] Second, the Bible frequently uses the imagery of a woman to refer to Israel, Zion, or Jerusalem. Paul writes, “The Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother” (Gal. 4:26). Jeremiah writes, “Surely, as a woman treacherously departs from her lover, so you have dealt treacherously with Me, O house of Israel” (Jer. 3:20; c.f. Isa. 54:1-6; Ezek. 16:8-14; Hos. 2:19-20; Micah 4:9-10). Third, in the OT, the image of being protected by eagle’s wings refers to Israel. In Exodus 19:4, we read, “You yourselves have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles’ wings, and brought you to Myself.” This seems to fit with the language in Revelation 12:14, where we read, “The two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she could fly into the wilderness to her place, where she was nourished.” Fourth, the Woman is protected in the wilderness for 1,260 days. This fits with the prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27, which is directed to Israel (“your people and your holy city”). This iteration of 3.5 years is mentioned five times through this section of Revelation (Rev. 11:2; 11:3; 12:6; 12:14; 13:5). Clearly, this time span of three and a half years must be important to the author. This seems to fit with half of the seven years, where the Antichrist will be in power (Dan. 9:26-27). Fifth, Daniel 12 predicted that Michael would rise up at this time to protect Israel-not the Church (Dan. 12:1). Daniel writes, “Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued” (Daniel 12:1). We see a fulfillment of this, when John writes, “There was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war” (Rev. 12:7). Sixth, Jesus is said to rule the nations with a rod of iron. In Revelation 19:15, we read, “From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron.” Thus the man-child of verse 5 must be Jesus-not the Church. Mary? Roman Catholic interpreters argue that the woman here is Mary, Jesus’ mother.[2] Advocates of this interpretation argue that the woman is referred to in the singular (Rev. 12:5, 17). If the nation of Israel or the Church were really in view, then why is this woman just a singular person? Also, the most natural and straightforward reading would be to think of this as Jesus’ mother, Mary. Of course, critics of this view make a number of counter arguments: First, this is symbolic language, and it shouldn’t be read rigidly. Since we are reading apocalyptic literature, we shouldn’t place too much weight on the fact that this is spoken of as a singular woman. Second, when did the 1,260 days of nourishment occur in Mary’s life, as the text explains (vv.6, 14)? This time frame, which is mentioned five times in the text (Rev. 11:2; 11:3; 12:6; 12:14; 13:5), seems to fit best with Daniel’s vision of the 70th seven in Daniel 9:27 (as argued above). Third, when was Mary persecuted so intensely? John writes, “When the dragon saw that he was thrown down to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male child” (v.13). Roman Catholic interpreters usually identify this with Mary seeing Jesus crucified in front of her. But this doesn’t seem to fit the language of Revelation 12. Fourth, Roman Catholics believe that Mary was a perpetual virgin-not giving birth to more children. While the Bible affirms that Mary had more children (Mt. 1:25; 12:46-47; 13:55; Mk. 6:2-3; Jn. 2:12; Acts 1:14; 1 Cor. 9:4-5; Gal. 1:19), Roman Catholics argue that this Greek word for “brothers” (adelphos) should actually be translated cousins. While NT scholars disagree with this view,[3] this precludes Mary from being the woman from a Roman Catholic perspective. If Mary remained a perpetual virgin, then who are “the rest of her children” mentioned at the end of the chapter? (Rev. 12:17) The Church? Amillennial and historical premillennial interpreters argue that the woman here is the Church. Advocates of this interpretation argue that the NT authors call the Church a woman (2 Cor. 11:2; Eph. 5:25-27, 32; 2 Jn. 1, 5; 3 Jn. 9), and the early church fathers call the Church a woman as well (Hermas 5.1.1-2).[4] Moreover, Revelation 2:26-27 promises the church of Thyratira that they would reign with Christ with a rod of iron, as in verse 5 (“She gave birth to a son… who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron”). However, this expression is also directed at Jesus specifically (Rev. 19:15), as was argued above. Moreover, this interpretation puts the amillennial interpreter in the awkward position of believing that the Church gave birth to Christ! Can we really hold to such a view? Surely this puts the cart before the horse! Additionally, if the woman is the Church, then who are “the rest of her children” (v.17) mentioned later? To salvage this view, some argue that this was “ideal Israel” or “faithful Israel,” the believing remnant of Jews.[5] The “rest of her children” would refer to believers in the new covenant. There are a few problems with this view as well. For one, this is quite a concession. It admits that the woman is ethnic Israel-not believers in the Church Age. Moreover, the arrival of the Messiah had nothing whatsoever to do with the faithfulness of Israel. Indeed, some of the most unfaithful Israelites were the ancestors of Jesus. The coming of the Messiah wasn’t contingent on the faithfulness of the Israelites either. Others argue that the male-child is actually the church that gave birth to more believers in Christ (v.17). However, this would negate the earlier argument that the Church is referred to as a woman. That is, here, the Church would be referred to as a man (i.e. a male-child; v.5), which doesn’t seem to fit any known biblical imagery for the Church. Conclusion For the reasons listed above, John holds to the first view that the Woman is Israel, giving birth to the Messiah, and showing back up in the final tribulation at the end of human history.

Israel is the birthplace of Jesus in whom he was rejected, falsely accused and killed - FACT, not a woman, just like Jacob who is male, not a woman. Again, the woman who brought forth Jesus is MARY! Please stop denying the importance and role of Mary, the mother of the Lord God Jesus in the salvation of humanity. If you say the dragon is satan, the male child who will rule all the nations in the world that ascended to heaven is Jesus, then definitely the woman who brought forth Jesus The Messiah King is MARY! Stop posting your anti Catholic bias via cancel protestant culture. 2ND, Israel can never be glorified in heaven because it is a kingdom that rejected The Son of God Jesus and all the prophets in the OT. It is the synagogue of satan (REV 2:9; REV 3:9). Their father is of the devil (JOHN 8:44). Rev 12 is about Mary, the church and Israel. But, first and foremost it is about Mary because Mary is the one who gave birth to the Messiah-King. That is very clear. No other woman gave birth to Jesus than Mary of Nazareth, The Virgin. This is common sense. it is not Israel only. The church is also the bride of God. The Lord Jesus is married to the church His bride. Mary also is considered in mystical theology as spouse of God’s Spirit because she offered her body to be consecrated to the Will of God for the birth of the Son of God. Rev 12 states that the woman is the the mother of Jesus. Rev 12:5 the woman gave birth to the King of the nations. That is Jesus and the one who gave birth to Him is Mary. No more, no less. Israel and the church are mother of Jesus only figuratively and mystically. 2nd The figures that appear in Revelation 12 are the same as those that appear in the proto-gospel of Genesis. Genesis 3:15. "I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel." Satan is both the Serpent of Genesis, and the Dragon of Revelation. Jesus is the "seed" who will crush the serpent in Genesis, and the child who will rule with a rod of iron in Revelation. In both, He and His mother, the Woman, are at permanent enmity with the serpent. The Woman of Genesis 3 and Revelation 12 is the same. However no one suggests that the woman of Genesis 3 is Israel 3rd Revelation 12 verse 17 is a confirmation of Mary's spiritual motherhood of all Christians. This motherhood is already made implicit through the fact that Christians share in Mary's motherhood through Jesus, both by being part of Jesus's body, and brethren of Jesus. -- Another interpretation of Revelation 12:17 is this verse tells us that Mary's offspring are those who keep God's commandments and bear testimony to Jesus. This demonstrates, as Catholics have always believed, that Mary is the Mother of all Christians. 4th. The interpretation of the Woman as Israel is contextually wrong. For all the other figures in this passage represent individuals, not ideas or classes of people. The Child is clearly Jesus, the Dragon is clearly Satan, each star swept out of the sky is one of the rebel angels who followed Satan. Later in the passage, we find Michael and his angels, and also the Beast - the Antichrist. The Woman is the only figure in the passage who, according to some, is not the individual stated in the text, but a collective representation. 5th. When Israel, Christians or the Church appear elsewhere in Revelation, they do not appear as personifications. They appear in literal form, as groups of individuals. See Rev 7.4: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel; Rev 7.9: ..a great multitude that no-one could count...; Rev 12.17: ..the rest of her offspring - those who obey God's commandments.... Even where the Church appears as the Bride of Christ, and a female personification would be expected, we do not get one. Instead of appearing as a woman, the Church appears as a City - the new Jerusalem. Rev 21: 9-10. 6th. If there is any doubt as to what a symbolic personage in Revelation might represent, or if a veiled meaning is intended, that meaning is immediately explained in the text. The Lamb is defined as the Lord of Lords, the Dragon is Satan. The Heads of the Beast are Kings. However no such explanation is given with respect to the Woman, underlining that the obvious meaning is the one that is intended. 7th. If we look at the reference to the Sun, Moon and Stars in this passage, the Sun, Moon and stars can indeed be taken to represent Israel. BUT in Revelation the Sun, Moon and Stars are not the subjects of the Vision. They instead form the adornments of the woman. This indicates that although the Woman is linked with Israel, she is quite clearly NOT Israel. 8th. The Woman of Revelation 12 is introduced as a great sign in Heaven. Where else in the bible can we see a Woman announced as a great sign. Look at Isaiah 7:14 "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son." We can see that this is exactly the same sign as in Revelation 12, confirming that the Woman in both occurrences is Mary.

Woman means FEMALE PERSON. REV 12 is a clear description of the battle between the woman who brought forth The Messiah King Jesus (Mary) and the dragon (devil) by John by witnessing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant of the NT (REV 11:19) revealing itself as the Queen Mother of heaven (crowned with 12 stars) battling the dragon in REV 12 in the end times. This war was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in GEN 3:15 when God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) meaning they are in perpetual battle eternally because Mary is the mother of the Lord God, the NT Gebirah, all mothers of the Davidic kings of Israel were rightfully called "Queen Mothers". The queenship in heaven is in PSALM 45:9 SIRACH 24. This is why Mary is the queen crowned with 12 stars seen by John in Revelation 12. Mary is the WOMAN of Revelation because she was always addressed as a woman / lady by his Son Jesus (JOHN 2; JOHN 19-25-29), Gnyai in the original Greek, a title of respect given to her office. GALATIANS 4:4-5 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a WOMAN, made under the law: 5 That he might redeem them who were under the law: that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Alex , You like most Catholics set Mary up on a pedestal and make her something she is never intended to be I don`t know where you get she is a sign the Prophets never mention her except in Isaiah 7 ; 14 the lord him self shall give you a sign and it is prophesized many places that in the scriptures that Chris is coming and will reign over Israel for ever and will be their King nothing to do with Mary she was the woman that brought him into the world Gal. 4 : 4 and that all she was . she has nothing to do with our relationship with Christ and she has nothing to do with Christians worshiping God .In Paul`s and other writers of the New Testament letters to the Church she is never mentioned that because she has nothing to do with salvation of sinners she has nothing todo with interceding for Christians and has no authority in heaven or earth it is not scriptural

@@donaldcooley897 Mary is the new ark :)

@@alanguedes7658 where is in the scriptures do you find Mary the Ark of the Covenant? You Can`t it is not there . It is nothing in the that say any thing about Mary being any hing but a vessel, a woman used by God to bring his son in to the world . You biblical ignorant Catholic believe in traditions , dogmas , and the Catechism . of which 80%+ are not scriptural and not of God .Typology means nothing . Rev 11 : 19 is not talking about Mary or is Rev . 12 : The Ark always symbolizes the presents of God .The Ark in heaven indicates the presents and protection for his people . The woman in Rev. 12 is Israel

@@donaldcooley897 ok 🤷‍♂️

@Read Your Bible You have that right . according to a Catholic website. not according to the scriptures . It is always according to traditions . The catholics are always fabricating stories about Mary . Mary is in the grave . her spirit is in heaven with other spirits and there is not one above the other they are all one in Christ There is very little said about Mary in the Gospels and one time in Acts 1 : 14 ; She her name is never mention in the letters to the Churches Rev . 12 is not talking about mary . Mary was not the Arc and only in the minds of biblical ignorant catholic who have been been deceived by satan in to believing she should be honor and worshiped . You do worship her in prayer and saying she draws people to Christ that is worship . Rev, 12 : Mary was not on John`s mind when he wrote Rev . 12 she had been dead 1000+ years when he wrote Rev. Rev. 12: 17. is still talking about the remnant , the same remnant as verse 6 : and Rev, 7 : 4 ; You need to stay out of Rev. because you have no idea what the spiritual truth of Rev. is . Rev 13 ;1 ; Is not talking about the remnant or Israel It is talking about the beast . Daniel 7 : 26; and the beast here is talked about in 2 Thess. 2 : 4 ; I am glad you said something about Isiah 10 : 20 . that is what Rev 12 is all about Christ was born to the tribe of Juda to the root of David his father . Jacob who is called Is Israel , so the woman is Israel and the stars are the 12 tribes of Israel which are the remnant .

You got it wrong, please play the video again

Its not about star constellations

@@whatroads4x4 It is actually. The woman is Virgo (yes, Mary, but mainly the virgin daughter of Zion), the child is the planet Jupiter (in Hebrew also known as 'the Just One') and Leo, and the dragon is Hydra (a constellation as big as a third of the night sky). Leo (the Lion of Judah) is crushing the head of Hydra; its main star is Regulus (Latin for 'the Little King').

@@foolfether ill look into this. Its interesting. Thank you

@@foolfether let me ask you...you think the tribulation period is merely a few years away?

@@whatroads4x4 As long as we understand stars are for 'times and seasons', and not to be our lucky charm, we are on safe space. And not only is really cool, I'm convinced is indispensable to understand Revelation.

Mary was always virgin with only one child Jesus. Aramaic did not have a word for cousins, so brothers is used. If Mary had other children, why would Jesus have given her to John to protect?

Woman means FEMALE PERSON, not a country/kingdom/nation that got destroyed 2000 years ago for rejecting the Son of God Lord Jesus! How can a kingdom called i_srael soaked in wickedness and evil birthed The Son of God Lord Jesus? Again, you are basically posting false heretical views. REV 12 is a clear description of the battle between the woman who brought forth The Messiah King Jesus (Mary) and the dragon (devil) by John by witnessing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant of the NT (REV 11:19) revealing itself as the Queen Mother of heaven (crowned with 12 stars) battling the dragon in REV 12 in the end times. This war was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in GEN 3:15 when God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) meaning they are in perpetual battle eternally because Mary is the mother of the Lord God, the NT Gebirah, all mothers of the Davidic kings of Israel were rightfully called "Queen Mothers". The queenship in heaven is in PSALM 45:9 SIRACH 24. This is why Mary is the queen crowned with 12 stars seen by John in Revelation 12. Mary is the WOMAN of Revelation because she was always addressed as a woman / lady by his Son Jesus (JOHN 2; JOHN 19-25-29), Gnyai in the original Greek, a title of respect given to her office. GALATIANS 4:4-5 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a WOMAN, made under the law: 5 That he might redeem them who were under the law: that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Woman means FEMALE PERSON, not a country/kingdom/nation that got destroyed 2000 years ago for rejecting the Son of God Lord Jesus! How can a kingdom called i_srael soaked in wickedness and evil birthed The Son of God Lord Jesus? Again, you are basically posting false heretical views. REV 12 is a clear description of the battle between the woman who brought forth The Messiah King Jesus (Mary) and the dragon (devil) by John by witnessing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant of the NT (REV 11:19) revealing itself as the Queen Mother of heaven (crowned with 12 stars) battling the dragon in REV 12 in the end times. This war was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in GEN 3:15 when God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) meaning they are in perpetual battle eternally because Mary is the mother of the Lord God, the NT Gebirah, all mothers of the Davidic kings of Israel were rightfully called "Queen Mothers". The queenship in heaven is in PSALM 45:9 SIRACH 24. This is why Mary is the queen crowned with 12 stars seen by John in Revelation 12. Mary is the WOMAN of Revelation because she was always addressed as a woman / lady by his Son Jesus (JOHN 2; JOHN 19-25-29), Gnyai in the original Greek, a title of respect given to her office. GALATIANS 4:4-5 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a WOMAN, made under the law: 5 That he might redeem them who were under the law: that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Not only is Jesus one with the father, he is also one with the mother. I (Isaiah = the spring Sun), will take vengeance - I will not meet thee as a man (the barren Earth), but as a woman (the Earth in summer). Isaiah 47.3. Isaiah is identical with Christ the summer sun (female). Jesus, the winter sun, comes out (Passover) as the Anointed sun Isaiah/Christ who is female. Remember where the Savior comes out of winter, wearing the girdle of Aphrodite/Venus around his/her paps. Rev 1.13.

She simply found grace and had the honor to birth the messiah a noble virgin Jewish servant of the most high.

It didn't say in the video that Mary is the creator of Jesus, rather it said that she gave birth to Jesus. Please listen carefully to the video

@@mole215 She cannot intercede on behalf of man either. That role was never given to her. The bible states the dead has no knowledge of what is going on under the sun. Therefore, praying for Mary to intercede on one's behalf, is a complete and utter waste of time. Rome/the Vatican City helps make up mystery Babylon in the bible. Babylon will soon fall and the Catholic church will soon get a shaking NO ONE will see coming.

Mary did beget Jesus, didn't she? And he is our Lord and King, isn't he?

@@alexchristopher221 Yes friend. Mary beget Jesus. The queen mother parallel breaks down however. 1. the queen mother's were often quite evil. 2. the queen mother's intercession may be refused, King Solomon - Queen Mother Bathsheba.

@@darewan8233 If the Queen Mother parallel breaks down because of a wicked Queen Mother, then the parallel between King David and Christ's Davidic kingship breaks down, since David was a sinner (murderer and adulterer). Your argument is non-sequitur. Bathsheba expected to be refused because she and Solomon were wary of Adonijah by the time he made his request. And if the Queen Mother did not act as an intercessor and advocate, he wouldn't have approached Bathsheba in the first place. You're kindly invited to visit my website and read my article on this topic. www.handmaidofthelord.net/queen-of-heaven.html

@@alexchristopher221 Thank you for your kind invitation. I did take time to read your article. On the David-Jesus and the Bathsheba-Mary parallels there are important differences. 1. Predictive prophecy vs. allegory- Prophetic genre (2 Sam.7) tells us Messiah will be king and the gospels explicitly identify Jesus as this son of David. 2. See also Ezekiel 34-The future Great Shepherd is David. Explicit identification of Jesus/David. Equivalent would be an OT vetse like"... the mother of Messiah is Bathsheba." 3. The monarchy was established by God. Why is there no queen mother for the first king, Saul or his successor David? 4. The kings were anointed by male prophets or their predecessors without mention of 'maternal guarantors'. 5. On your suggestion that Bath. knew of Adonijah's treachery. There's nothing of that in the text. The family had been reconciled and there's no hint that Adonijah was not fully restored to a place of trust. If Bath. is just playing along with Adonijah's game then it is quite a risk. If she had succeeded, even her future was in jeopardy. New king= new queen mother; Adonijah was the Son of Haggith. 6. I will make a comment on your article. Please study Song of Solomon 3.11. The crown his mother gives him is a crown for his wedding, not the royal or ruling crown that you imply in your article.

Her crown is under the pope, as a vassal state.

If the appostles themselves didn't offer prayers through mary then this is total idolatry..the second commandment in the Bible (not according to catechism) forbids making of images or likeness of anything above,or on earth and not to worship graven images

We all know that apostle John wrote the gospel of John. But in his gospel he refer himself as the one whom Jesus loved. ( John 13/23, 20/2, 21/7) why did he choose to hide his name. Nowhere in John's gospel he mentioned his name directly.. his gospel has many hidden meanings than any other parellel gospels. See how he started the gospel.. he kept a link between genesis and John chapter 1. Likewise his book of Revelation is written in ancient symbolic language to bypass the message to Roman officials and to reach Christians those who are persecuted. To comfort and to give hope. The women he refers to the women in genesis, Protoevangelium. Where Mary life is prophesized by God himself. She is the new Eve. Read the revelation chapter 11/19 onwards.. Also pre Nicene church fathers explain Mary as New Eve.. ( Justin Martyr 150AD, Irenaeus bishop of Lyons 180AD)..Catholic church always see scripture as a whole not as individual verse without connection.. we need to look at larger picture.

@@jamesnganga3818 we don't have all the Apostels- documents with us to conclude your statement on Apostels- didn't pray to Mary.. what we have here is early church fathers and other non canonical documents.. Check the early church fathers like Justin Martyr, Irenaeus of Lyons, St Agustin etc

James, who else gave birth to the Christ child in Revelation 12? I’m a Protestant, but that’s pretty simple math.

It is a church! The woman is the church. Jesus is the groom.