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Yale professor Amy Chua has two precautionary tales for Americans, and their names are Libya and Iraq. "We’re starting to see in America something that I’ve seen in other countries that is not good," says Chua. "We don’t want to go there. We don’t want to get to the point where we look at people on the other side of the political spectrum and we see them not just as people that we disagree with but literally as our enemy, as immoral, "un-American" people." Tribalism is innate to humanity, and it is the glue that holds nations together-but it's a Goldilocks conundrum: too much or too little of it and a nation will tear at the seams. It becomes most dangerous when two hardened camps form and obliterate all the subtribes beneath them. Chua stresses the importance of "dividing yourself so that you don’t get entrenched in just two terrible tribes." Having many identities and many points of overlap with fellow citizens is what keeps a country's unity strong. When that flexibility disappears, and a person becomes only a Republican or a Democrat-or only a Sunni Muslim or a Shia Muslim, as in Iraq-that's when it's headed for danger. In this expansive and brilliant talk on political tribes, Chua explains what happens when minorities and majorities clash, why post-colonial nations are often doomed to civil war, and why you can't just replace dictators with democracy. Amy Chua is the author of Political Tribes: Group Instinct and the Fate of Nations.
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AMY CHUA:
Amy Chua is the John M. Duff Professor of Law at Yale Law School. She was born in 1962, the Year of the Tiger, in Champaign, Illinois. She lived in the Midwest (Go Purdue!) until she was eight, when her father Leon Chua became a professor at UC Berkeley, and her family moved to California. Amy graduated from El Cerrito High School (Go Gauchos!) in 1980.
In 1980, Amy headed East. She graduated from Harvard College in 1984 and Harvard Law School in 1987. While at Harvard Law School, Professor Chua was executive editor of the Harvard Law Review. After graduating, she clerked on the United States Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit for Chief Judge Patricia M. Wald, who was a wonderful mentor to her (and who performed the marriage ceremony for Amy and her husband Jed!).
Amy practiced for four years with the Wall Street firm of Cleary, Gottlieb, Steen & Hamilton, where she worked on international transactions throughout Asia, Europe, and Latin America. In 1994, she joined the Duke University Faculty of Law. Amy and her family loved North Carolina! The only problem was that Jed was teaching at Yale. Amy joined the Yale Law School faculty in 2001.
Amy’s first book, World on Fire: How Exporting Free Market Democracy Breeds Ethnic Hatred and Global Instability
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Amy Chua: I think a great example of group blindness in the United States is when Woodrow Wilson said in 1915-in a very famous speech-“There are no groups in America. America doesn’t consist of groups. And if you continue to think of yourself as belonging to a smaller group you’re not American.”
It’s astonishing that he could say this-these universalist tones at a time when Native Americans were largely still denied citizenship, Mexican Americans were still being lynched, Asian Americans were barred from owning land, and African Americans were being subjected to violence and degradation virtually every day. And yet he was saying we don’t have any groups here. So that’s an example of almost willful blindness to groups. And sometimes this kind of universalist rhetoric, “Oh we’re all just one people,” is a way of hiding a lot of inequality and smaller kinds of group oppression.
So if you look at a country like Libya they’re actually a little bit like the United States. That is, they are a wildly multi-ethnic nation. The problem is they don’t have a strong enough overarching national identity to hold it together.
And the goal is a group-or a country, in this case-that has, on the one hand, a very strong overarching national identity: “We’re Americans,” but-importantly-at the same time allows individual, subgroup, and tribal identities to flourish.
You should be a country where you can say, “I’m Irish American,” or, “I’m Libyan American,” and yet be intensely patriotic at the same time. So: “I’m Muslim American. I’m Chinese American. I’m Nigerian American.” So, at its best, in America, there should be a certain amount of porousness and fluidity...
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@bigthink
@bigthink 4 года назад
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@theangrykekistani9418
@theangrykekistani9418 2 года назад
how the hell is ,,libya a wildly multi ethnic nation ,, can anyone explain it to me
@ezrafaulk3076
@ezrafaulk3076 2 года назад
Everything you just said about a tiny minority controlling *everything* , is pretty much *exactly* what's been happening here in the west since the *beginning* , and it's only getting *worse* ; we need to put a *stop* to it.
@rainforesthermit6983
@rainforesthermit6983 5 лет назад
It's classic sociology: when societies experience sudden changes in quality of life, identity groups contract in their solidarity and their boundaries become more rigid, more intolerable of the Other. There is a sort of civil war now in the US, with dialogue replaced with obscenities and passionate hatred.
@damienbagley2925
@damienbagley2925 5 лет назад
Interesting.
@alau2058
@alau2058 3 года назад
And now look at US!
@crhu319
@crhu319 3 года назад
Yup well said.
@Username-jc1ut
@Username-jc1ut 3 года назад
Shit, it got worse... way worse.
@jean-pierredevent970
@jean-pierredevent970 2 года назад
And that's a point where I am not progressive. I don't like all too much frankly if groups come in Europe by migration who feel they very different from us and who would even think "normally" we ought to be like them. Such people have fully the right to think this way but that's not a safe situation when things get rough. And with climate change and political instability and lack of real mutual help between nations, things could get rough in the future. There have been already situations which liberals (the pure soul ones) could never have anticipated. They explain that of course by poverty etc..but I keep doubts. I am however progressive enough to accept that sometimes there is no choice and we must help as ethical beings. But my danger detector is not happy.
@AlmostEthical
@AlmostEthical 3 года назад
This reminds me of around 2013, when I travelled to Europe. On the tour were some conservative Texans, an older couple. I am a left wing Aussie, and not so young either. Chalk and cheese? Nope. We got along well and often ate together. We hardly talked politics at all. If we disagreed on anything, we politely said out bit and quickly moved on. We didn't dwell on negs. In less heated times, people treated religion and politics as private matters. Si, instead of pointlessly arguing about BS, the Texans and I had a fun time swapping anecdotes and we had lots of laughs together. It's not so hard to get along.
@Matt-fs1yy
@Matt-fs1yy 2 года назад
I have no interest in "getting along" with Republicans. Anyone who would separate a small child from it's parent, knowingly causing harm to said child--or would vote for same, is SCUM.
@jojobabok9373
@jojobabok9373 2 года назад
It's not hard, if you don't have much stakes in the matters being discussed. You always have the option to "intellectually disagree" with each other & move on. The zero-sum pitted groups can't afford that vis-à-vis each other.
@gary8165
@gary8165 2 года назад
It is good to get along however I suggest avoiding the hard issues that effect a population is denying the elephant in the room. The us vs them dynamic is destroying America. There is no intellectual discourse on the hard issues but pure tribalism painting the other as the enemy of the Country.
@mebeingU2
@mebeingU2 2 года назад
@@gary8165, I agree with you. But if you think of what the speaker said, often when said power shifts, there is a retaliation that takes place. I had not considered that for the US before. If the current majority feels that its been taking advantage of or not supporting fair treatment for minorities, there could be a fear that if the power shifts, the new group with no power will be harmed. So, they fight with all tools available to retain power.
@KatarnCrusader
@KatarnCrusader 2 года назад
You have to keep in mind that you as well the older couple had better education (and were told better manners) then the younger generations in the USA had/have.
@rue883
@rue883 6 лет назад
This makes a lot of sense, if it weren’t for the fact than the tribal discord is being stirred up by people that are not part of the “tribe”. There are people outside the tribe telling the tribe that they should be angry. The problem isn’t tribalism, that is a diversionary tactic as part of a power play.
@madigan_sax
@madigan_sax Год назад
R S gets it
@_Iscream
@_Iscream Год назад
Why not both?
@plasmaballin
@plasmaballin 6 лет назад
3:33 She says we don't want to get to that point, but unfortunately, we've already passed it long ago.
@Username-jc1ut
@Username-jc1ut 3 года назад
I can't even see the point anymore.
@dinsel9691
@dinsel9691 3 года назад
She herself says that Widrow Wilson was "willfully delusional" when he claimed America to be "one". Because there was not "one" America... though it may have looked like it, as there was clearly an overwhelming monocultural majority that held power at the time... i.e. white, protestant and english speaking... But also as she pointed out, when the ruling class changes. Old scores are settled and power and money changes hands. It is no coincidence that Republican party shifted so much to the right when USA had the audacity to elect an African American for the President of USA. When Trump supporters talk about "real americans" they are talking about the aforementioned majority that was and still has most power in USA. And the inclusion of the word "real" in real American.. let's you know they will never consider a majority Hispanic USA to be American.
@Doomblade3890
@Doomblade3890 2 года назад
@@dinsel9691 Unfortunately this only perpetuates the "us vs. them" mentality on both sides.
@BitchspotBlog
@BitchspotBlog 2 года назад
@@Doomblade3890 The problem is that neither side seems willing to give that up. Both sides are tribalizing around small, often insignificant traits and ignoring the larger characteristics under which they ought to come together. Instead of saying "I'm an American!", they say "I'm an African-American!" They're black first, everything else a distant second. Or people will do it around religion. They're Christian or they're Muslim and everything else trails behind. Or sexual orientation. They're gay! They're trans! They're forming communities about things that absolutely don't matter. I don't care if you're black. I don't care if you're Muslim. I don't care if you're gay. I care if you're a decent human being and that seems to be lost today. All you have to do is wear the right label on your sleeve and nothing else matters... right up until you offend some of the people in your tribe, then they hunt you down and destroy your life. Nobody is capable of compromise anymore because everyone has drawn the battle lines based on tribe. It's why Iraq and Afghanistan and India are such a mess right now because they are all so tribal. Things in the U.S. will never get better until we recognize that tribes don't solve problems. Tiny insular communities that hate everyone else doesn't fix anything. It's time that most people grew the hell up.
@stevechance150
@stevechance150 2 года назад
@@BitchspotBlog Sorry, wrong. One group is saying "We're going to make it harder for your team members to vote, by closing polling locations on your side of town, and outlawing ballot drop boxes". This is different, this is one party actively trying to deny the other party the ability to exercise their constitutional right to vote. I have conservative friends who believe people should have to own land in order to vote. America is going backwards.
@robadc
@robadc 5 лет назад
And the entire comment section is different tribes attacking eachother. Oh the delicious irony
@bobs182
@bobs182 3 года назад
People are innately prone to tribalism as human tribal cooperation is our one niche we have for survival. Language and intelligence help us cooperate with each other along with a tribal instinct. Not living in relatively small tribal groups may mean our tribal instincts are not as important for survival as is has been.
@TacDyne
@TacDyne 3 года назад
This is due to decades of brainwashing to force the perpetual victim mentality on them for being whatever they are. I studied this first hand while going through school. It started in first grade and continued all the way, even throughout college.
@robadc
@robadc 3 года назад
@@TacDyne No ones taken any sides here but you. You're only demonstrating the point.
@mingonmongo1
@mingonmongo1 3 года назад
Sez the guy with a Lucha Libre 'wrestling' mask for an avatar...... _"Oh the delicious irony"!_ ;-p
@robadc
@robadc 3 года назад
@@mingonmongo1 Lmao, so thats what it looks like? Nah, it was the first thing I ever made in photoshop. I leave it on to remind myself how far I've come since then.
@harenterberge2632
@harenterberge2632 2 года назад
The two party system, which is a direct result of the district voting system, is the main cause of tribalism. If you have more parties these can have more nuanced positions.
@rabbit251
@rabbit251 2 года назад
Very good point. In other parliamentarian democracies other parties are allowed and the democracy is more representational. Sometimes this works as in Germany which is good at building coalitions and sometimes it fails like in Italy which usually changes its government every year. Either way, their systems are better than what we have in the US which has to resort to factions within a party. In Europe if a party leaves a coalition it means new elections in which they may lose power because of their power play. In the US it has very few consequences at all.
@harenterberge2632
@harenterberge2632 2 года назад
@@rabbit251 Germany has a threshold of 5% of the votes for a party to enter into parliament. This way the extreme fracturing is prevented.
@Catlily5
@Catlily5 2 года назад
I heard that the electoral college causes a 2 party system. I always wondered why we couldn't seem to get more parties. Maybe that explains it.
@harenterberge2632
@harenterberge2632 2 года назад
@@Catlily5 That only affects the presidential election. The district voting system is the cause of having only two parties in parlement and senate. Every district can send only one candidate, so the best bet for a voter is to vote for a candidate that you know many other voters will also support. This naturally causes small parties to dissapear. In a direct proportional system all the votes in the country are combined and the seats are divided among the parties proportionally to the number of votes. This means small parties can also get one or several seats.
@Catlily5
@Catlily5 2 года назад
@@harenterberge2632 Interesting, I like that.
@jamesrossi8442
@jamesrossi8442 5 лет назад
“We have met the enemy, and he is us.”
@Knockaswagga
@Knockaswagga 4 года назад
James Rossi the enemy is not all white people
@elconquistador98
@elconquistador98 3 года назад
Said Pogo
@nevadataylor
@nevadataylor 3 года назад
If you accept Science/Evolution, you might know that it's because animals are always adapting to their environment. With cut-throat capitalism being the environment for us to adapt to, clearly this creates the sickness of the people. I strongly make the opinion, that all this shit ends, with the end of humanity being governed by systems of exploitation; namely capitalism.
@johnmiller567
@johnmiller567 3 года назад
@@elconquistador98 Deck us all with Boston Charlie, Walla walla wash and Kalamazoo.
@paulpolzin3733
@paulpolzin3733 3 года назад
@@nevadataylor Modern capitalism, yes. Today's capitalism sucks because it promotes monopolies, and corporations seemingly possess the ability to abuse their power. If capitalism was actually utilized correctly, you'd think differently. Capitalism was supposed to be compitition, not exploitation (unlike the capitalist system we use today). If we actually start to promote smaller businesses to close the gap, then we can start deassembling corporations like Disney and Google. As they hold the monopolies. If the US promotes compitition, like it was supposed to do, then the economy would have been prosperous. But no, because now we get leaders like Trump. The funny thing is that corporations are able to "buy" politicians, lmao. That needs to be stopped, because this is essentially corruption. So capitalism that is utilized correctly (and used as it was intended to be), then we would have less corruption and actual economic growth. People would be less exploitive if we have a little governmental intervention.
@mheermance
@mheermance 3 года назад
Watching this two and a half years later, it's not looking good. Social media seem to be accelerating the divisions.
@michaelchildish
@michaelchildish 3 года назад
Groupthink, confirmation bias, group attribution bias, and a whole trough of other biases and logical fallacies are tearing us apart in the west
@zaidsada6841
@zaidsada6841 2 года назад
Not just the West but humanity
@NotGilmore
@NotGilmore 2 года назад
@@zaidsada6841 true even everywhere I traveled it’s a massive issue.
@user-oy9zy4ds9m
@user-oy9zy4ds9m 4 года назад
A smart person doesn’t want war, but a smarter person knows war is inevitable.
@casuallavaring
@casuallavaring 4 года назад
I don't think so. Worst case we see a peaceful breakup of the country.
@ryanjones9498
@ryanjones9498 4 года назад
Minorities live in a world were if a white says a racist word they lose everything. Job, endorsements, movie deals. If a white were to say a racist word in a large crowd the whole room would gasp and say, that’s not okay. Non-whites are living in the best times for them ever in history. Yet they can’t just pull their pants up and move forward in a positive direction. No they have to keep the world is racist towards us we can be successful in the white mans world narrative.
@yitaowang8547
@yitaowang8547 4 года назад
But with the current technological advances, if humanity ever goes into war it is going to destroy itself.
@rari2943
@rari2943 3 года назад
@@ryanjones9498 annddddd you're part of the problem
@MrHistory269
@MrHistory269 3 года назад
@LavaringX best case scenario it breaks up peacefully worst case scenario is civil war
@MegaChickenfish
@MegaChickenfish 6 лет назад
At one point our US motto was "e pluribus unum" or "out of many, one." I think I prefer that over the tribalistic, exlusive nature of "in god we trust", which a rapidly growing population of young people in the united states *are not a part of.* I get why it was put there: The country was scared of their enemies and desperate to find _something_ to try to unite everyone behind, and for whatever reason they chose a vague sense of monotheism, since that was at least _most_ people. But if I was alive during that red scare? *I'd have been executed.* Atheist, doesn't go outside much, questions the government when they're doing something ridiculous, _all the makings of a dirty commie!_ *Let's not go down that hellhole again.* E Pluribus Unum.
@weiskl887
@weiskl887 3 года назад
The updated version of Red Scare has arrived and improved version is mix it together with Yellow Peril for good measure. You got a brand new enemy bone to chew on now for fun. The Bankers continue to laugh their way to the bank while peasants gets the usual stuff of more Talk of Values.
@StephensCrazyHour
@StephensCrazyHour 2 года назад
You'd have been executed? Really? How many Americans were executed for their political beliefs during the red scare?
@alexanderb7721
@alexanderb7721 2 года назад
A number of them. Look at the history of Labor Day (originally on May 4th). There was a protest which got violent and the organizers, anarchists (basically leftists libertarians, they don't actually believe in anarchy) who did nothing wrong were hanged to set an example. They did not commit a crime, but were killed for standing for their beliefs. People like to push away the past, but socialism, labor movements, and the tribulations they suffered were a very real part of this country's history.
@Flapalot
@Flapalot 2 года назад
@@StephensCrazyHour The incredibly famous case of Sacco and Vanzetti. Two anarchists who were given the death penalty despite the fact they were innocent. This isn't even going into the cases of violent clashes of US national guard and union strikers such as the Ludlow massacre.
@macvena
@macvena 2 года назад
1. You're comment typifies a tribalistic view. 2. No one was executed during the Red Scare. The Roseburgs were executed for espionage and delivering nuclear secrets to the Soviets, which later went to the Chinese as well. 3. E pluribus unum is still one of several nation mottos, along with Novus Ordo Seaclorum, and In God We Trust. 4. The division in the 21st century is directly linked to the rejection of everything that made the United States. If you embrace that trend, you're likely a part of the problem.
@ChaosTheory666
@ChaosTheory666 6 лет назад
I think she underestimates the resentment of minorities who were oppressed and how much the elite (or minority ruling class) represents the majority as well as overestimates the importance of power. Those that were oppressed can easily become the new oppressors, and that's partly due to power being dynamic (she pretty much lends credence to that here); in fact you could call power meaningless in a universe where a gamma-ray bursts could evaporate our solar system. At any rate, beware those who oppress whilst professing their status as victims. The Nazis saw themselves as victims and committed atrocities. The "proletariat" (Communists) saw themselves as victims and committed atrocities. The Serbs saw themselves as victims and committed atrocities. And they felt justified doing so.
@michaels4255
@michaels4255 6 лет назад
+chaos theory, most of our minorities came over here *after* 1965 so we never had a chance to oppress them, yet they have learned to resent White Americans anyway. This "blame White men" attitude is consciously promoted by the media and the schools, and that is the main reason they do it. Scapegoating White Christian men is the de facto policy of today's left, like scapegoating Jews was the policy of the Nazi's.
@guillermojimenez2152
@guillermojimenez2152 4 года назад
@@michaels4255 Mexicans where always here what are you talking about
@T1tanicus
@T1tanicus 4 года назад
@@michaels4255 Half this country was Mexico before the United States invaded it, what the fuck are you talking about.
@visorij3374
@visorij3374 4 года назад
T1tanicus yeah but barley any one lived in those parts and even then most of the Mexicans who did live there where just white Mexican Americans.
@javierperalta7648
@javierperalta7648 3 года назад
@Antonio Perales del Hierro I'll never understand why chicanos pretend to be víctims when you are descended from the Spanish conquistadors.
@iwax64
@iwax64 3 года назад
Excellent. Yes. As a “continental” European I am glad that we don’t have a two party system. We have 14 political parties and most have a decent chance to govern. In coalition. Hence, compromise is built in. That is society!
@ChrisVisserDev
@ChrisVisserDev 3 года назад
Like in The Netherlands where the 2nd largest party is excluded from the government, because the largest party simply joins up with smaller parties of the same side.... Or a EU where we can't elect a "president" or even the people joining the parliament.... yea tell me how that's more fair than an electoral college....
@doublestrokeroll
@doublestrokeroll 3 года назад
No, in Europe you're basically all the same color (historically) yet you're far more racist towards each other than America has ever been. A tiny region of ethnically identical people who can't even get along.....Not sure you should be lecturing Americans on "compromise". lol
@dr.phylisphical9294
@dr.phylisphical9294 3 года назад
Ours isnt a 2 party their can be more than 2 but thoose 2 parties are very dominant.
@iwax64
@iwax64 3 года назад
@@dr.phylisphical9294 Of course, so in effect it’s a two party system. Was there ever a serious third contender at Federal level?
@iwax64
@iwax64 3 года назад
@@doublestrokeroll True race / race-based identity politics doesn’t exist in post war Europe, but populism clearly does try to change that. Even without that, racism exists and must be addressed. But that has little to do with governance through an “either-or” two party model that dominates across the Anglo Saxon world. Multiple party participation demands collaboration by default. Hence, there’s no marginalization of anyone’s interest possible. It is fundamentally mote democratic than “winner takes all” politics.
@SimGunther
@SimGunther 3 года назад
Aged like a fine wine indeed!
@sk8freak176
@sk8freak176 6 лет назад
The issue is when one tribe wants to be left alone and the other is hell bent on imposing their will through force and violence.
@twistedwithmelancholy8436
@twistedwithmelancholy8436 6 лет назад
sk8freak176 Yup, modern lefties who keep voting for bigger government
@Jessman9000
@Jessman9000 6 лет назад
Twisted That’s funny coming from the righties who keep crying out for civil war because afew sjws decide to protest on the streets. I also don’t see your point, you people, whether you like it or not are doing the same thing. You vote for mega-corporate control of society while the democrats vote for larger government which makes it easier for the corporate sector to corrupt and control.
@twistedwithmelancholy8436
@twistedwithmelancholy8436 6 лет назад
Jessman9000 I'm not right (or left). So your assumption of my position is incorrect. Regardless. My point is not about the crony capitalist establishment, but about the idealogical mindset/philosophy of the voting base(s)
@uropygid
@uropygid 5 лет назад
Twisted: Democrats tax and spend. Republicans don't tax and spend more.
@uropygid
@uropygid 5 лет назад
Masters: Thank you for using the language I usually use. Don't forget what the no tax right has done to our education system. The tea party and the base get most of their education from the bible.
@ntwadumelamata7785
@ntwadumelamata7785 6 лет назад
Yes it's a possibility. Just like it's a book called The Rise and Fall of The Roman Empire. There will be one day be a book called The Rise and Fall of The United States of America.
@BobThebuilder-bh5jz
@BobThebuilder-bh5jz 6 лет назад
True
@btbocis
@btbocis 6 лет назад
Long live United States of America ! May people that wish or prophesy war and calamity to you be put to shame! May you remain United Forever for taking the most difficult and honorable task by bring people from all over the world across race , ethnicity , tribe , religion and location. Way to go.
@mrnarason
@mrnarason 6 лет назад
according to that the us still has about 250 years of domination. if the roman empire lasted around 500 years.
@Minuz1
@Minuz1 6 лет назад
500 years excluding Byzantine? Some empires live long, some are shorter (3rd Reich for example)
@whysoserious8666
@whysoserious8666 6 лет назад
Sure you’re not talking about the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Edward Gibbon?
@allgoo1964
@allgoo1964 6 лет назад
Great explanation. I've noticed this game of "I'm this side, you are other side." The topic of discussion doesn't matter to them much, they just want to feel "We are winning."
@kathleenhiggins9413
@kathleenhiggins9413 6 лет назад
When treating others as you would wish to be treated is fully integrated into the mind of humankind and so at last, the rule of law within any society. This, to me, would be the dawning of enlightenment upon earth and our saving grace. Meanwhile, you've given great insight into the nuances of division that presently exist.
@DasRaetsel
@DasRaetsel 6 лет назад
Kathleen Higgins That was probably the most thoughtful and prudent point in this whole comment section :P
@NathansHVAC
@NathansHVAC 6 лет назад
Kathleen Higgins you forgot to say treating people as you would be treated, but with other people's money.
@erincaitlin1655
@erincaitlin1655 3 года назад
Kathleen, I totally agree, but some people's egos are out of control. Just look who's in the WH, and the 71 plus million who wanted to keep him in power for a second term!! It's all about tribalism, and "herd mentality" or cultism... I believe the USA might have ended slavery but they never accepted their innate racism, nor did they try to educate future generations to disown racism.
@andrewmiller480
@andrewmiller480 2 года назад
@@erincaitlin1655 the USA was founded on slavery and racism.
@buffuniballer
@buffuniballer 2 года назад
@@erincaitlin1655 reading this now while Biden is in office and I still see no improvement other than the lack of tweets. There is still division. Still people demanding others do as they say should be done, still racism, including the paternalism from the left that suggests ethnic minorities are unable to survive without their help, which is just as racist as they proclaim the right to be. You are right, just a different form of racism, and the left is comfortable with their brand because they believe they are helping. I'm no fan of the right either, just pointing out that I don't really see today's left as any sort of solution to the ills they proclaim exist.
@ShaynaLynn
@ShaynaLynn 6 лет назад
What does it feel like to be wrong? If you don't know you're wrong, it feels exactly like being right. Herein lies the problem.
@damienbagley2925
@damienbagley2925 5 лет назад
Interesting thought.
@muz1c4lif3
@muz1c4lif3 6 лет назад
Great video very informative piece new in learning politics and this is a nicely in depth piece on the middle East and identity politics and other areas to sit and think on.
@thenathanimal2909
@thenathanimal2909 2 года назад
In the US, intensely focusing on our differences such as race or sex has magnified tribalism. This has allowed the power hungry to harness this emotion for power.
@rabbit251
@rabbit251 2 года назад
Currently the Republicans are playing really playing nationalism (Trump) and culture. That is fine except the Democrats don't seem to recognize that. Politically what the Democrats want (national health insurance or greater or better forms of it), infrastructure, etc., are all things that most Americans agree upon. But many people are angry about political correctness. In Virginia where the Republicans just won the governorship, there big issue was really about an incident in which a transgender boy said he was a girl and should be allowed to use the girl's bathroom. He had an incident at one school about this and at the second school he raped a girl. This was really the whole issue to swing voters. If your children aren't safe, then people really don't care about social programs. Democrats tried to use the tactic that Newsom in California used to simply paint the Republican as a Trumpster which worked there. They tried the same in Virginia but the Republican candidate refused Trump's endorsement or go near him. He made the issues about culture and was able to win. Republicans got smart. Democrats are going to lose big in the next election!
@Catlily5
@Catlily5 2 года назад
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@DecodeChannel
@DecodeChannel 6 лет назад
Empires inevitably fall, and when they do, history judges them for the legacies they leave behind.
@JedmcCj-uq5dw
@JedmcCj-uq5dw 6 лет назад
No they don't. In today's society at least in western society, we don't allow countries to fail at worst they have a depression. People have no clue how easy life is today. In the USA we don't worry about any country trying to take what's ours, a couple hundred years ago we would of taken Canada and Mexico and probably south America. The only countries that fail are the ones the USA wants to fail like the Soviet union. Society is nothing like it used to be, going broke used to mean certain death now its virtually meaningless. If you disagree id like to hear why.
@joserendon6199
@joserendon6199 6 лет назад
hiroshima, nagasaki, vietnam, lagos, cuba, etc, etc, etc, etc.
@impalabeeper
@impalabeeper 6 лет назад
"The top 1% changes almost on a daily basis." What is your point? It doesn't mean oligarchs don't exist.
@impalabeeper
@impalabeeper 6 лет назад
Dennis Walker When someone criticise the so-called 1%, it is tacitly criticisng those who didn't drop out (Koch Brothers etc.) and invariably keep an estimated $1 trillion of finances in tax havens. Sure, there maybe some individuals who are innocent, but there are certainly a significant portion of that 1% who are stil in the game and manipulating society to maintain power and wealth for themselves.
@impalabeeper
@impalabeeper 6 лет назад
Dennis Walker "And can you honestly say in their position you wouldn't do the same ?" Just because you can do it, it doesn't mean it's right. I've actually put myself in the shoes of influential rich people; but I was raised to be honest so I probably won't (and what am I going to do with so many money? A million is more than enough for me). I do boycott products and services of unethical companies myself. " Don't hate the player or the game , hate the people who wrote the rules of the game. The reason we are right where we are at today is career professional politicians ." And who influences to write the rules of the game? You're downplaying the obvious influence of corporations who are the actual rulers of America and scapegoating career politicians who themselves are lackeys.
@obijuan3004
@obijuan3004 5 лет назад
Good video. Interesting example about Iraq, the same thing happens in African countries where the colonial power gave the minority group the power over a majority group, like in Rwanda.
@who_is_Yabets
@who_is_Yabets 3 года назад
... And Rhodesia, and South Africa
@michaelwhite1811
@michaelwhite1811 3 года назад
Be an American for whom fulfilling the duties of citizenship is your greatest priority: 1. I will vote. 2. I will pay my taxes. 3. I will defend the constitution from enemies foreign and domestic. 4. I will respect the life, liberty, and property of my fellow citizens. 5. I will engage in economic exchanges based on mutual consent and mutual benefit regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, sex, or gender identity.
@morgan1719
@morgan1719 Год назад
6. I will support my country's destruction and destabilization in regions all around the world If you fail in this duty of American citizenship you will be ostracized, at the least.
@susanpatton3782
@susanpatton3782 Год назад
Absolutely!!
@RebelScout1
@RebelScout1 6 лет назад
Excellent video, expressed the ideas well, very understandable and insightful. Thx!!
@grg537
@grg537 6 лет назад
Astonishingly accurate. Thank you Amy Chua!
@harleynut1969
@harleynut1969 3 года назад
Interesting thought and so true thanks for sharing.
@sede189
@sede189 Год назад
Loved this!!! Eye popping insights
@kingkobra1978
@kingkobra1978 5 лет назад
We'll be fighting in the streets With our children at our feet And the morals that they worship will be gone And the men who spurred us on Sit in judgement of all wrong They decide and the shotgun sings the song. Some of us will be always fooled,again.
@thechadeuropeanfederalist893
@thechadeuropeanfederalist893 5 лет назад
How about everyone identifies only with themselves instead of with groups or ideologies? Everyone is an individual. You shouldn't identity yourself as a political ideology, because it incapacitates your thinking. Your only allegiance should be to the truth.
@rocky5152
@rocky5152 5 лет назад
The Chad Globalist excellent comment!
@deliverus6856
@deliverus6856 4 года назад
Some Terrance McKenna shit right here he’ll yeah
@TJ5897
@TJ5897 4 года назад
I did think, that's why I'm a leftist.
@danarnold8780
@danarnold8780 4 года назад
@@TJ5897 You do realise by identifying yourself as a leftist, You're falling into the very trap they just described. You are grouping yourself with a specific group and, rather you realise it or not, are allowing them to manipulate your brain. I mean no hostility, just a desire for you to stay open minded. I like to stay in the center of things rather than going left or right.
@stalwartarjuna
@stalwartarjuna 4 года назад
Because then it winds back to a 'Life of Brian'-esque scenario: "You are all individuals!" "Yes, we are all individuals." Tribalism is inevitable.
@joshuatoa8150
@joshuatoa8150 6 лет назад
History paints a clear picture that all empires eventually fail / fall. "War does not determine who is right - only who is left.". B. Russell.
@robertkristiansen3085
@robertkristiansen3085 6 лет назад
Great explanation
@geraldarmstrong5646
@geraldarmstrong5646 5 лет назад
I see lots of tribalism going on in the comment section
@nikolaibelinski3433
@nikolaibelinski3433 4 года назад
Yeah its pretty sad that everyone is brainwashed by a clown know as donald trumpet
@IvstvnK4hgnte
@IvstvnK4hgnte 4 года назад
@@nikolaibelinski3433 both sides deserve help tbh, the orange man, although is band and big, he's just the beggining and the tip of the iceberg.
@jh-kj8zr
@jh-kj8zr 3 года назад
@@nikolaibelinski3433 if you can't understand why Trump became president then you need to look at yourself.
@85Funkadelic
@85Funkadelic 3 года назад
Lots of lines have been drawn in the sand in this country. Usually those lines are about denying someone their rights like gay and lesbian people or women. Other times those lines are drawn in the sand in a way that says no these rich people have the money and their systems of exploiting the environment are making them more money and you're not touching it stupid citizen. Oh and let's not forget one of the best ones The thin blue line that says these police need to murder your children so they feel safe so all us people in the suburbs can feel safe. So yeah there's a lot of tribalism and it's being pushed by the people who stand to gain the most from us being divided and not paying attention to what they're doing.
@dr.phylisphical9294
@dr.phylisphical9294 3 года назад
@@85Funkadelic also the line of not being able to live people who beleive diffrently than you.
@wojectwenty
@wojectwenty 3 года назад
be a member of the human tribe 1st and treat every one as one's equal , some day in the future we may depend on them for our well being
@bansheeofinisheerin
@bansheeofinisheerin 3 года назад
False. Human beings are innately selfish creatures. There is no way to keep people from exploiting others.
@bansheeofinisheerin
@bansheeofinisheerin 3 года назад
@Curt Christensen False. That’s not how it works. You have to get to the root of why that person is a criminal. Shaming them? Yea, because treating an entire group of people the same way always works...genius....
@bansheeofinisheerin
@bansheeofinisheerin 3 года назад
@Curt Christensen Yea, real intelligent comment considering SCIENTIFIC studies show spanking is actually more likely to turn people INTO criminals. Ever heard of science? You should look it up.
@bansheeofinisheerin
@bansheeofinisheerin 3 года назад
@Curt Christensen False. You can’t find a study to say anything you want, and they do provide evidence. Your statement about Sweden is unintelligible.
@bobbywise2313
@bobbywise2313 3 года назад
@@bansheeofinisheerin Actually studies are all inherently flawed. The ability to analyze studies and dig deeper into results is a rare trait.
@erickkeenan1011
@erickkeenan1011 6 лет назад
Wilson wasn't remotely considering non white groups, he was thinking about the war in Europe and the German American population and their alignment.
@dkelban
@dkelban 6 лет назад
EXCELLENT!!!
@shawarmageddonit
@shawarmageddonit 3 года назад
I'm guessing this is one of those cases where the relatively high number of dislikes, ironically, prove the author's point.
@hithere748
@hithere748 Год назад
🙄🙄🙄🙄
@hayestoph
@hayestoph 3 года назад
Interesting to watch this 2 1/2 years later.
@morkeljakeson9438
@morkeljakeson9438 Год назад
Fantastic talk. Thanks
@cuervos69
@cuervos69 6 лет назад
Amazing
@tocrob
@tocrob 6 лет назад
@ 4:30 China has "autonomous regions" for people and reserves for animals/plants. America has reserves for both people and animals/plants.
@troubledsole9104
@troubledsole9104 5 лет назад
I am American-American who happens to have past relatives from Italy and England.
@AZrakoon
@AZrakoon 4 года назад
I'm an American too, my past relatives are from Mexico. But that doesnt make me a Mexican, even Mexican nationals see it that way.
@ericklein3960
@ericklein3960 6 лет назад
great job
@haanszilla8396
@haanszilla8396 2 года назад
This video was not what I was expecting, it was good!
@panpiper
@panpiper 6 лет назад
Identity politics will be the death of us.
@scj3188
@scj3188 6 лет назад
*WHITE identity politics.
@incognitotorpedo42
@incognitotorpedo42 6 лет назад
Sc j, um, no. ANY identity politics. Today's white identity politics is just a response to 30 or 40 years of everyone-except-white-males identity politics practiced by the left.
@deepfriedsammich
@deepfriedsammich 6 лет назад
All political power is coercive and manipulative. It is win-lose. It is a zero-sum game. All politics boils down to various group identities attempting to dominate and colonize others. There are no exceptions. This is the nature of power. It's opposite is liberty, the idea of natural rights, and freedom. It is cooperation and trade which promote empathy and mutual respect.
@iamimport1741
@iamimport1741 6 лет назад
Peter Cohen actually, refusing identity politics it's what is going to kill us. All the others get tribal. No choice situation
@iamimport1741
@iamimport1741 6 лет назад
Sc j we need that fast...faster. we needed it yesterday
@russellhogben6628
@russellhogben6628 6 лет назад
Very clearly explained
@vocalcords7397
@vocalcords7397 6 лет назад
I know words, I have the best words. Nobody respects women more than me. I am the least racist person who you have ever met. Nobody lies better than me. Believe me. Sad!
@carnoises86
@carnoises86 6 лет назад
Russell Hogben Correction: Very hot
@petergould406
@petergould406 6 лет назад
I don't find this talk very clear, and wonder if you meant that comment ironically or sincerely. She references many arguments I have heard before (and agree with) but jumps around a lot, and it becomes extremely unclear what she is really trying to say as soon as the so called "Coastal elites" are brought up. I might have thought she would contrast the 2 camps in the US but instead starts talking about all sorts of countries in the world controlled by small ethnic subsets of the population. It is unclear to me if that is what she is saying is happening with the US and if she is I feel that she needs to make a stronger case.
@cavv0667
@cavv0667 6 лет назад
And yet, being very clearly explained, she does not say much at all that isn't already known. In America the majority of people don't look through eyes blinded by race, culture, religion, etc., but then we patronage these large political and corporate entities that "Want us split" so they can have the power they've held on to for years and years. What must be done is the public at large ending their patronage of these groups and supporting those people and companies that don't want us divided and see that a United Nation is our strength for the future. So she talks a lot about division but not a word on the ending of said divisions. She seems like just another mouthpiece for the demagogues that wish us to be split...
@Nabo42
@Nabo42 6 лет назад
"Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing." She basically just rambled on for 8 minutes without a solid point. I want my time back.
@alisutherland1103
@alisutherland1103 5 лет назад
I ten minutes I learned so much thank you
@iainmackenzieUK
@iainmackenzieUK 3 года назад
nice. thank you
@kojibigger21
@kojibigger21 3 года назад
The only tribes today whether in America or not is rich and poor
@who_is_Yabets
@who_is_Yabets 3 года назад
Fear not. The Proletariat will succeed, comrade.
@antoniofdez
@antoniofdez 6 лет назад
Excellent analysis. What you explain for America reminds a lot to the situation in my country (Spain) before the civil war, with a society highly polarized between left-wingers and right-wingers, and the subsequent fascist dictatorship, which brought about a sense of "order" for some part of the middle class and the priviledged higher classes at the expense of a brutal violation of human rights to all kinds of subgroups smashed by Franco (left-wingers of all flavours, democrats in general, homosexuals, masons, etc.). As you explain, the path of tribalism is a dangerous road that ends on the total dehumazation of the enemy (the civil war of my country as an historical example), and a real democracy is a situation where a sense of unity prevails over ideological orientations. Just nailed it down.
@MadFrenzy582
@MadFrenzy582 6 лет назад
good presentation btw
@Shinnyuu2
@Shinnyuu2 4 года назад
Thank you
@impalabeeper
@impalabeeper 6 лет назад
I am not an expert on Switzerland but perhaps it is the only country where multiculturalism and diversity works well because the country is a confederation, with cantons having tacit agreement to keep each of their collective identity but working in harmony towards a common goal.
@frantabor7319
@frantabor7319 6 лет назад
Every native language in Switzerland represents a different tribe. The one thing everyone agreed on, was no one trusted anyone else, so all remained armed---resulting in mutual respect, which led to one of the most peaceful countries in the world. Not surprising. When you treat your neighbor with respect, and he returns that respect, the result is friendship.
@incognitotorpedo42
@incognitotorpedo42 6 лет назад
Probably helps that they're all white Christians (or non-religious).
@michaels4255
@michaels4255 6 лет назад
About two thirds of the Swiss are Germans, which gives the country a lot of stability. Also, they don't take sides in their neighbors' quarrels, since that would pit one group of Swiss against another. Thus, the famous Swiss neutrality.
@thefourshowflip
@thefourshowflip 6 лет назад
This desire for retribution is no longer hidden out of sight...it has unfortunately been not only openly professed by the fringes, but also has begun to garner sympathy and [tacit] support. We can either work towards equality [of opportunity] - in which we neither promote nor stifle the opportunities of anyone on the basis of things like race, sex, gender, orientation, etc - or we can enter the cycle of endless revenge as power oscillates back and forth, inevitably tearing apart the society...but we can’t do both (and we shouldn’t do the latter either).
@ablackgoliath1827
@ablackgoliath1827 6 лет назад
thefourshowflip - Easy to say if your a straight/gay white middle/upper middle class male. The rest of us a fighting for an equitable situation in a system traditionally imbalanced to favour white males (and i would argue this applies regardless of sexuall orientation). White privilege refers to this ability to make statements like yours that sound great in theory eg "equality for all" but what you don't add is the "without disadvantaging the already advantaged groups". Essentially you are advocating for keeping everything as it is with white males basking in all their undeserved racial/gender advantage. Heard it all before...
@thefourshowflip
@thefourshowflip 6 лет назад
Black Goliath That is not at all what I’m advocating for. And what makes you certain I’m Middle/upper-middle class, or even what race I am? There is absolutely nothing I said, nor is there anything in my profile that could be used to infer anything about my demographics; I presume you concluded that I’m a middle/upper middle straight/gay white man from the content of my reply. But I’ll digress. If your argument is that I would oppose moving towards a society where we seek equality of outcome, you’re correct, but it would be wholly incorrect to say I oppose equality of opportunity; I don’t believe that characteristics that you have no choice in deciding should be used to help or hinder you...people aren’t able to chose to be born male or female...they can’t choose to be born black, white, Asian, Hispanic, etc...they can’t choose where they were born, or who their parents were...they can’t choose their sexual orientation. If you had absolutely no choice in the matter, there is no justifiable and rational reason to hold you accountable for them...it’s simply nonsensical; it shouldn’t help you and it also shouldn’t hinder you. This is what I want to see be realized. That’s my ENDGOAL and of yet, I’ve said nothing about how we can get there, so why are you assuming malice on my behalf? ...That I want to keep allowing the undeserved to enjoy the fruits of historical trends based on the degradation and at the expense of the other?
@thefourshowflip
@thefourshowflip 6 лет назад
Black Goliath Furthermore, I’d challenge anyone to give an argument for how characterizing a person based on [perceived] group identity is a reliable way to determine anything about that individual which isn’t stereotypical (maybe I misunderstood, but I thought stereotyping was a bad thing). Does being a male or female tell you anything about a specific male or female, or does it just allow you to make a guess about them? Sure these can often be “reasonable”, like that the average male is taller than the average female, but the fact that men are taller than women on average does not mean that all men are tall, nor does it mean there are no tall women. To use this group characteristic to presume the characteristics of an individual IN the group is where the flaw lies, and to continue to distill individuals into molds which are necessarily defined by group identity is problematic and detrimental. I could be a super wealthy (.1%) straight white cismale and it still wouldn’t tell you how I PERSONALLY viewed the situation or what I would suggest as a solution...yet, it seems like if I fit those categories, I must be the “opposition” (or worse, the “enemy”) unless every one of my ideas falls completely in line with what you believe...I sincerely hope that this is not the case, but if it is...that’s precisely what the end of this video was warning about.
@oaxacachaka
@oaxacachaka 6 лет назад
Black Goliath, you are just a sore loser. People from all over the world make it in the US. People from all races make billions of dollars here. That in itself proves the system doesn't oppress or discriminate. There are a dozen or so ethnic groups that out earn white people in the US. If people don't make it here they are either content with where they are or they are stupid. If you come from a stock of dumber than average people than you are going to perform worse than average as a group.
@ablackgoliath1827
@ablackgoliath1827 6 лет назад
Lol - i am willing to bet money you are melanin deficient. I can presume what your 'goals are from the fact you tried to play the oh-so-tired 'white innocence' card eg "If you had absolutely no choice in the matter, there is no justifiable and rational reason to hold you accountable for them...it’s simply nonsensical; it shouldn’t help you and it also shouldn’t hinder you." You are the one being idiotic by ignoring history,a racist culture with social structures to match as well as human psychology. Note the word 'SHOULDN'T'. I don't know what world you live in but in the one i know people *are* most definitely treated +/- based on race class gender etc. Fact. Your 'shouldn't' is a red herring, what is IS and that is what's important. How do you see the redressing of MASSIVE INEQUITY not equality? By maintaining the status quo and doing nothing to change the inequities of the system? Your argument is always applied by whites claiming "it's not my fault, *I* didn't do anything!" But you guys always ignore world history and in particular US history ( much like SA history) where whites colonised and put in place legal and CULTURAL mechanisms that whites currently benefit from WITHOUT lifting a pinky. You'r either trying to get me to believe your incredibly naive or your trolling with fully intended malice. I see the latter.
@RalphDratman
@RalphDratman 6 лет назад
Excellent multi-faceted talk. This is real teaching, not just opinion-telling.
@noras.9774
@noras.9774 Год назад
A good point of view!
@mmiller212
@mmiller212 3 года назад
It’s almost like she had a crystal ball 😅
@TheWorldLaughter
@TheWorldLaughter 3 года назад
100000% lol
@PeterParkorr
@PeterParkorr 3 года назад
Yup! Not sure if I'm impressedpr horrified but my face can't stop leaking 🤣😭😅😬
@belewyifru3624
@belewyifru3624 3 года назад
Amazing! I am an Ethiopian. This explains the situation in my country as it does other places. Thank you.
@julian1000
@julian1000 3 года назад
@@belewyifru3624 what is happening in Ethiopia?
@jc.1191
@jc.1191 3 года назад
@@TheWorldLaughter I haven't laughed once about this.
@nicktaylor5264
@nicktaylor5264 5 лет назад
There will now follow a comment section filled with American Tribalist in-fighting.
@montithered4741
@montithered4741 Год назад
There is no we and them, there is only us. One planet, one people, one family.
@purinat_sun
@purinat_sun 3 года назад
If tribalism is the root of problems, ask yourself what party has been playing identity politics that separates people into more and more groups.
@acdude5266
@acdude5266 3 года назад
The better question is which party wants to whitewash history and keep the resources in their tribe's possession.
@purinat_sun
@purinat_sun 3 года назад
@@acdude5266 I have no problem admitting that it’s been the Republican Party since 1964. But what good would my answer do to the point then? You don’t answer a question with another question or refute the correct answer thereto by resorting to whataboutism either. In case you already made any assumption about me, I’m neither a Democrat nor a Republican. Other than that, I’m not even a U.S. citizen. But if I were one, I’d vote for the third biggest party there.
@billpetersen298
@billpetersen298 2 года назад
You guys prove her point. You’re pointing at each other. Rather than reaching across the aisle.
@Rikken552
@Rikken552 4 месяца назад
To be honest both, they just disagree with which identities are better
@graemeroberts2935
@graemeroberts2935 5 лет назад
Articulate and brilliant!
@alau2058
@alau2058 3 года назад
And here we are today in November 2020, a country VERY divided between two political tribes.
@lolipedofin
@lolipedofin 6 лет назад
This is a very interesting perspective on democracy, and helped answer some of my bewilderment with the system... also thanks for the shoutout to Indonesia. :)
@AvianSavara
@AvianSavara 6 лет назад
Further thought and reflection : Social subgroups espousing highly specific lifestyles are so saliently marketed to by various companies as to not only reinforce their lifestyle choices, but also amplify their sense of alienation from other social groups. This market segregation is no longer just a symptom of a tribalized society, but an accelerator.
@hersirivarr1236
@hersirivarr1236 4 года назад
Good observation.
@dr.christopherdiaz4473
@dr.christopherdiaz4473 6 лет назад
Latinos are amazing at this: Somos un nación; no me importa si tu eres blanco o negro, porque somos gente.
@scj3188
@scj3188 5 лет назад
bullshit.
@selbalamir
@selbalamir 2 года назад
There’s a distinction between differences that are endowed and differences that are chosen.
@AntonioSilva-ld4dq
@AntonioSilva-ld4dq 2 года назад
I myself notice that besides the need to expression there is the need or the social aspect, a need also, as she says groups, tribes, i choose a group, then mixed with politics or administration and a lot of things could happen.
@dash007
@dash007 6 лет назад
we don't need a civil war
@CaptPatrick01
@CaptPatrick01 6 лет назад
Dashawn Hatton Given recent events though, it is a very real possibility...
@dash007
@dash007 6 лет назад
We just need to respect people
@dash-4150
@dash-4150 6 лет назад
Dashawn Hatton yes, get back to the basis of being a republic nation, with indaviduals rights upheld and not the majority
@dash-4150
@dash-4150 6 лет назад
Dashawn Hatton people not respecting others rights, across both isles, and both isles are heads of the same snake
@dash007
@dash007 6 лет назад
Patrick Lloyd I know. I’m concerned but we don’t need it.
@payank505
@payank505 6 лет назад
I would prefer our government representatives have NO party affiliations. Rather, they represent their constituency and belong to various flexible coalitions that form around ISSUES the public wants them to deal with. Focus on ISSUES!
@vector9511
@vector9511 4 года назад
What if we had parties that focus on a single issue, for instance the gun control party, the pro life party, the free healthcare party etc... so that way candidates could still receive campaign funding from parties while existing to serve in the interest of the people rather than their party?
@iankaranja9058
@iankaranja9058 Год назад
I read her book some years ago ..very good .
@ticnatz
@ticnatz 6 лет назад
Rather insightful......
@tomasbickel58
@tomasbickel58 6 лет назад
Ever though, that a faction might have an interest on enforcing tribalism in US politics?
@Catlily5
@Catlily5 2 года назад
If you don't want the USA to exist then encouraging factions makes sense.
@tomasbickel58
@tomasbickel58 2 года назад
​@@Catlily5 .. not really: the landmass doesn't go anywhere and the Union probably either. The situation will just stay as it is - you know .. like Slow Cooking: keep cooking on low temperature for a looong time to get the best result.
@Catlily5
@Catlily5 2 года назад
@@tomasbickel58 I hope you are right.
@importantname
@importantname 6 лет назад
A well articulated arguement. A Big Think.
@onamemmet
@onamemmet 4 года назад
I'm admiring your mind.
@ingridlandberg8662
@ingridlandberg8662 3 года назад
Thanks for helping me understand something very personal. My father immigrated to USA in 1925 from Sweden. He always said, "We are Americans now." and refused to tell me anything about Sweden. I believed it was because I wasn't good enough but now I can blame Woodrow Wilson. My father was afraid for his children not fitting in. I inherited my name - a Scandinavian custom so I could never hide my ancestry like the kids with Americanized names. BTW, I have come to embrace my heritage. I can be both a part of the great homogeneous melting pot stew and a spicy morsel that is uniquely me.
@martinostlund1879
@martinostlund1879 3 года назад
I'm Swedish, in 1925 Sweden wasn't a very good place for most people, maby he didn't want to talk about it.
@MysticHeather
@MysticHeather 2 года назад
I love the idea we’re all spicy morsels uniquely adding to the pot 🥰
@UTArch1
@UTArch1 3 года назад
WHY so many dislikes? She is telling the truth.
@skwrttj
@skwrttj 3 года назад
Most people don’t want to hear the truth!
@bravoalphahk
@bravoalphahk 3 года назад
She thinks "whites" started out as a single ethnic identity group (they neither did, nor are they a single group today) instead of a very gradual, egalitarian merger of many culturally familiar and historically interconnected groups. Plus, she's materialistically zero-sum; her overused "oppression" is apparently a Marxist complaint of making a little less money than the next guy, whereas resolvable oppression is tangible and direct. Also, her wholesale repudiation of individual identity and reliance on stereotype is simply irksome. But it was an interesting perspective in total.
@dianeridley9804
@dianeridley9804 3 года назад
I would love to see her walk into a little bodega and see if anyone follows her around.
@nathanm9212
@nathanm9212 3 года назад
The far-right MAGA morons have went full tribal... they will account for the dislikes... can’t tell a Fool he’s a fool without backlash.
@JavohirKh
@JavohirKh 2 года назад
It's weird that people care more about political parties rather than thinking about improving usa from all aspects
@jasonraider3737
@jasonraider3737 3 года назад
The policy implications are that in order to minimize the risk of tribal conflict and instability, nations (including the US) should adopt a: 1) Liberal (MLK) policy towards minorities, which entails fighting against discrimination and promoting equality. 2) Centrist policy towards integration: emphasizing shared, national identity, while still respecting the cultural identities of each group. 3) More conservative approach towards immigration: if the lack of a clear majority and the expansion of tribalism = an increased risk for conflict (as was the case in Lebanon, Yugoslavia, Syria, Iraq, etc.), does it make sense to pursue policies that increase diversity (rather than just accommodate existing diversity)?
@mcleanblades9234
@mcleanblades9234 6 лет назад
Thanks Amy. This is a recap of your book "World on Fire" which I enjoyed reading. But aside from the recent development of Coastal Elites - there's nothing in this video that suggests how the American Empire could fall. So the title is click bait.
@xXAscendingPhoenixXx
@xXAscendingPhoenixXx 2 года назад
Who exactly are the costal elites? 🤔
@willrunriot
@willrunriot 6 лет назад
Stop focusing so much on the "groups." Identity politics are inevitably divisive. Just be an individual.
@FrankHarwald
@FrankHarwald 4 года назад
THIS!
@EmperorsNewWardrobe
@EmperorsNewWardrobe 4 года назад
Rusty Shackleford but individuals lack the strength of identity and therefore belonging that a group provides
@FrankHarwald
@FrankHarwald 4 года назад
@@EmperorsNewWardrobe Identity originates from the fundamental values individuals stand on & which goals they seek. Groups only provide association between people to further strengthen the pursuit of those goals.
@EmperorsNewWardrobe
@EmperorsNewWardrobe 4 года назад
Frank Harwald, interesting! Are you saying that a group identity could be healthy if it’s defined by the pursuit of a goal instead of a mere sense of belonging (by defining who is other to the group)? Sounds like a plausible idea, a sort of functional group name for the purpose of goal-seeking. It would also mean openness to new members if they join the goal
@EmperorsNewWardrobe
@EmperorsNewWardrobe 4 года назад
Ginger Baker, sure, it’s not without its liabilities, but then buddhists rarely go around persecuting others
@eonhand8
@eonhand8 6 лет назад
With that being said do you think the sykes-picot line should be removed and let more natural borders develop?
@lucrativeleadershipconvers5149
There's a lot of noise that distorts reality. We can help each other improve sensemaking across precieved "hard lines" only through conversation. Conversation is also how adults learn.
@theseventhgeneration6910
@theseventhgeneration6910 3 года назад
I, for one, am happy to watch the decimation of the conservatism. They have been standing in the way of progress for far far far far far too long.
@maliciousmike8440
@maliciousmike8440 3 года назад
The goal of socialism is communism. Is that progressive? Conservatives know the constitution is the only thing that’s keeping your government from consuming you. You’ve been taught a lie.
@garywood97
@garywood97 6 лет назад
Accurately described the problem. Didn't say much about a solution though. It would be helpful if someone could point to any example of a highly multi-cultural and multi-racial society working ANYWHERE over a prolonged period of time.
@zanzivar5892
@zanzivar5892 3 года назад
As George Carlin said : George Washington said : ""ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL"" At the same time, part of his PROPERTY was around 200 slaves. Nobody but "white MEN had the right to vote", no NATIVES, no BLACK PEOPLE, no WOMEN,.....NOBODY but, WHITE MALES. """ If HONESTY is introduce in this country, IT WILL FALL APART """. One of the reasons, It is falling apart is cause HONESTY, is not part of the equation. And that's the FOUNDATION of the USA, sadly.
@greenbird777
@greenbird777 6 лет назад
Democracy can't work if one portion of the population fights to hold all the power. At that point it's no longer a democracy, but a silent dictatorship. Voting doesn't change things because politicians don't have the ability to break the power of that silent "group dictatorship". But there's no reason to stop trying. The dream of equality, freedom, justice & compassion is one ALL humans work toward & we ARE making progress. This is the dream of humanity, & we get a little closer every day.
@connie1wilson
@connie1wilson 3 года назад
This is so true, people grouping together because of politics or religion is so sad! It’s so limiting when you only mix with your “own kind”.
@rustworker
@rustworker 3 года назад
She’s right about tribalism being bad but it’s interesting that she says “intense patriotism” is a good thing. She’s looking to make a bigger tribe based on nationality.
@mwright80
@mwright80 2 года назад
A tribe is an organic grouping of people who have something in common. No problem there. The ability to identify with more than one tribe both inspires patriotism and prevents tribalism.
@THATGuyEd
@THATGuyEd 3 года назад
Aaaaaand welcome to 2021.
@brianpan6453
@brianpan6453 6 лет назад
Great video, Amy. Do you think this is what is going on now in South Africa?
@lotterydream891
@lotterydream891 3 года назад
Yes. White South Africans still control most of the wealth.
@taliaferro2302
@taliaferro2302 6 лет назад
I didn't know intellectuals were allowed to be honest and have integrity anymore. Thank you for making this video. It needs to be heard. Fuck the backlash.
@SuperTonyony
@SuperTonyony 3 года назад
She's just a mushy moderate. She has absolutely nothing interesting to say.
@erikshure360
@erikshure360 6 лет назад
Tribalism is hard coded in humans
@BadWebDiver
@BadWebDiver 6 лет назад
She is warning of overzealous tribalism or fanatical devotion to a single tribe to the exclusuion of all others. She said people belong to tribes, but she said it's better to belong to several tribes with different groups of people.
@Jessman9000
@Jessman9000 6 лет назад
tis why they fail, sooner or later
@NathansHVAC
@NathansHVAC 6 лет назад
Gender is hard coded in humans too. But, that doesn't stop the post moderist biology deniers.
@bluntmcbeefcake
@bluntmcbeefcake Год назад
In the speech he recognizes that there are different groups but the quote that she used is toward the end when he says aspirationally that there are no separate groups that you think you are then you're not really an American challenging the audience to try to Break Down The Walls between them Woodrow Wilson certainly recognize that they were separations at that time
@billbrenne5475
@billbrenne5475 Год назад
All of the players in question are individualists--NOT members of tribes.
@ZennExile
@ZennExile 6 лет назад
We teach our children in public school Tribal Social mechanics. That needs to stop. Public Education needs to include extreme methods of eliminating confirmation bias, and tribal belief structure, or tribalism will in fact, destroy this country. Cheering for the home team does not create progress. And never will. We have the internet. It is time for the true Renaissance to take place. One where information and human knowledge becomes a "HUMAN RIGHT" for every child born in this rock. Because the only cure to all of our problems in modern society, is UNIVERSAL EDUCATION!!!
@erikshure360
@erikshure360 6 лет назад
Zenn Exile tribalism is in our blood. Humans have evolved in tribes for a very very very long time. Good luck teaching an unconscious bias out of people lol.
@ZennExile
@ZennExile 6 лет назад
No yer just a fukpotato. Tribalism is taught.
@ZennExile
@ZennExile 6 лет назад
Erik yer a fukpotato, stop trying to form opinions until you unfuk your brain. Pixel, A globally competitive, and comprehensive education, not working class bootcamp, but real education must be the RIGHT of every child. Or we're all fukt. That's all there is to it.
@erikshure360
@erikshure360 6 лет назад
Zenn petty insults will not validate your claim -- they only make you appear to be weak minded. Challenge ideas, not character.
@ZennExile
@ZennExile 6 лет назад
In Science we let Observations and Evidence narrate reality. And all I see is a pure bred fukpotato. You have no opinion on any matter worth noting, or considering. And you likely never will. It's not the fukpotato way to learn new things.
@devinelgert4880
@devinelgert4880 3 года назад
Wait...isn't bring down American empire a good thing?
@g0679
@g0679 3 года назад
The French colonial empire is what I truly miss.
@kairon156
@kairon156 3 года назад
It depends on which empire rises up to replace the power gap.
@kennyhall196
@kennyhall196 6 лет назад
A house divided eventually falls. Here freedom and equality are beautiful slogans to utter in conversation. Realistically speaking it is a grossly exaggerated rhetorical idea that is never played out in America. It's more like you can have freedom as long as you do what we say.
@americanmedic7465
@americanmedic7465 5 лет назад
I don’t think we realize how difficult it is to overcome local prejudices. For Wilson’s comment in his time, it certainly rings true for ours. I think President Wilson didn’t think so much in what the reality was as much as what could be.
@DoctorCyan
@DoctorCyan 5 лет назад
Identity politics, nationalism, fascism... it’s all group-think. The problem is division, foremost.
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