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Great demo! I have questioned myself to get any poweramp to powerup the cabinet for the gig. I used HX stomp for my modelling amps, so i need a proper but cheap power amp to get on with. Thank you for this advice. Gotta buy one soon if i get enough money ! 😁🙏
I like this guy. He noodles more than he talks. Plus he didn't just play one riff a few times & then regurgitate what the spec sheet says. Plus he gave an opinion that's helpful to other consumers. Thank you, guy.
At the risk of repeating others here in the commentary - this is a great channel! I watched the Terror Stamp into the Pedal Baby video & I knew I’d have to check out the rest. Really really good stuff.
One of the more entertaining demo's of this thing on RU-vid honestly. On top of that, it sounds awesome in general from everywhere I've heard it. Looking to get this for multiple reasons: 1. my current head is too powerful for my load box(captor x doesn't like 120 watt head D:), but I love the head I have for gigging(when I did gig) so I need something for at home play, and 2. Whenever I get back into gigging, if I don't have the room for the current head, or if I'm too lazy to drag around the obnoxiously heavy head I do have, this thing looks like the perfect back up. Considering a 2x12 orange cab works well with it AND my current head, I am looking forward to getting my hands on one of these in the near future! :D Thanks for the video my guy! Awesome playing!
That little thing is so damn cool. It reminds me of my old sunn concert lead. I just sold one but to me orange is the next closest thing to the sunn. I'm rocking a triple rec, Badlander, and a quad cortex. I spend most of my time on the QC though and now I want a pedal baby for it.
Thanks heaps for this video dude, 2x12 + pedal baby+ helix is the dream rig, finally found a video... hopefully have enough $ to finally pay off the rest of the helix this week hahah 1 step closer bruh! Keep shredding
I love your review as well as your playing. I play high gain metal (using a pedalboard featuring an AMT R1 Rectifier preamp pedal). I've tried an EHX Magnum 44, a Crate Powerblock 150, as well as a Blackstar ht20 as a power section, and haven't been satisfied. THIS might be the solution. I'm going to purchase one next month. Wish me luck lol. Good luck with your channel; if all your content is even half as good as this review, you'll do great. Cheers.
John Klecker first off. Thank you for the love and support it means a lot! Second: have you had any experience with orange products before?? All those products you mentioned were ground breaking and paved the way for what we are doing now. However I believe this is what we’ve all been waiting for! This fills the room beautifully and allows you to use all of your prior knowledge of “how amps work” with our more confusing modern set up. Good luck!!
@John: Same here, I have an AMT Vt2 that I combined with the Magnum 44 power amp into an Orange PPC 112 but I wasn't fulfilled by the sound either.. Could you let us know how the R1 does with the Pedal Baby?
I've been using my helix with the pedal baby into a Victory 1x12 cream back cab. It's fantastic. Best solution for helix id say. Gives you the amp in the room feel and I never get it past 9 or 10 o'clock.
Good and informative video. I have a Helix LT running into FRFR, but I also have an Orange PPC 2/12 @16ohm open back that I think would sound good with the right amp. Your demo may have just sealed the deal. Thx.
the orange 2x12 open backs are incredible... the 4x12s are obviously amazing but maybe too... thick?? I think that's a good word for it. what is an FRFR??
Working Class Musician from Andrton’s, “ FRFR simply stands for full range, flat response. This means an FRFR speaker can handle any type of tone or frequency fed into it from an amp.” Basically a powered speaker with no EQ. I did purchase the pedal baby and it sounds really good with my Helix and Orange cab.
Watched your video again and you are getting some of the best tones I’ve heard. Curious, so your just running the amp model and no cab? What about the signal to FOH?
Amazing video 👌🏻 I’ve been using my helix for two weeks now and what looking for this exact video with the orange pedal baby 100. Is it best depending on what cab your using at a venue to; use amp-head/pre-amp simulator with the cab simulator, a amp+cab or just amp-head/pre-amp with the cab your using at the venue?
Dude!! I’m so happy this is helpful. If you are running into a PA or computer then use the cab simulators. If you are running into a cab turn the cab sims off! Was this helpful??
This guy is not kidding, I picked up a Pedal Baby yesterday to use with my Helix LT and it is truly amazing. A perfect power option for the Helix. I use it through a Marshall 2x12 cabinet. Bass and Treble controls are very responsive, I leave them at 12noon but nice to have available for a quick tweak. Also...its very loud, I see no issue using this live.
I haven’t bought the pedal baby yet but will should I have a gig again. I use helix and also have this same cab, and my strategy has been to purchase this cab’s IR and set up most of my presets with it to mimic as close as I can what it would be like to hook up to the cab.
I’ve got a 4 x 12 Marshall cab and a 2 x 12 mojo tone on the way and I’ve been wanting something solid state that I can take the gigs and this looks like the solution for me helix thru pedal baby through a 2 x 12 is the ultimate portable set up for me I’m sold
Best demo of Helix + Pedal Baby, Realy I m in search of The Pedal Baby or The SeymourDuncan 170 and im gonna try both if i can in the used market. I m running Helix into FRFR now , and it's Lacking of the Sound projection u are talking about, so im trying to buy a PowerAmp (like the Orange or SeymourDuncan) to amplify my 2x12 ENGL v30 I tryed also into FX loop of my Tube amp but it's inconsistent. my ideal setup would be Helix + PowerAmp (going into a cab) and in the patch a second path with IR to FOH/mixer. Thank you for your review ( can u maybe try to do a video where u show ur signal path going into the Orange and how u set all the levels inside Helix?)
yes!! thank you for the sub! the signal is so easy with a power amp! everything is done in the helix and you just run into the front of the power amp.. no effects loop.. no signal routing.. no amp blocks in the helix.. straight out!
Awesome review One question if you are running the Helix this way are you just using the built in preamps as opposed the full amp??? Cheers BTW Fantastic playing
I'm using my helix 4cm with a mesaboogie duel rectifier and 4x12 traynor cab. And I was looking into trying something different and I think you got me sold on that pedal
this may be the way to go! less cables and easy! let me know how it goes! i used to do the 4cm but couldnt stand rigging it up all the time. this way for me has been equally as good and its so easy...
Yeah I been doing the 4CM with my Friedman and 2x12 can. I tried My Kemper with the Seymour Duncan powerstage 200. I had to have it almost wide open. I heard these sound louder. I will say this helix or Kemper running through the pa and in our in ears🤌 it was just my “stage volume”
My baby works with a HX Stomp and a HB 2x12 V30 cab. This trio sounds so amazing! So far, I haven't dared to set the volume controls on the HX and the baby near to max. at the same time, because i'm really afraid of the volume that awaits me. i'm not kidding! I'm seriously afraid of it!
Used to load my marshall into a two notes captor line out to a verb unit then into the pedal baby since it cane out..was a beautiful solution but now I just run my helix stomp xl straight in ..can't tell the difference
@@jimmyfranklin I have a Line 6 Pod Go on order that should arrive this week. For now I"m running AMT preamp pedals (S2 = Soldano & P2 = 5150) driving a DV Mark 2x12 cab. So many other reviews of the Pedal Baby completely missed the mark and just ran regular OD pedals straight into it instead of a preamp or modeller. When I saw this video though, I knew great tones were possible and glad to see that was the case once I got to try it for myself!
@@martysurette9212 THATS SO AWESOME! you have no idea how happy that makes me, because i truly love this rig so much! it gives me so much freedom! i noticed no one was running them like this and im so happy that it is helping so many people! rock on sir!
@@jimmyfranklin Yeah man, it'll be a super portable rig once I get the Pod Go. Both the pedal baby and and Pod Go can fit in a backpack and my DV Mark 2x12 only weighs 25 lbs with the neo speakers. No more hauling heavy gear back and forth to gigs! :) Great playing too btw!
@@jimmyfranklin Yes, the HX Stomp is basically Helix, but with less features. But all the goodies like amps/cabs/fx are there, exacly the same. It's limited to 8 blocks instead of the 12 blocks Helix has, not as many in/out and only 3 footswitches, but everything else is there. A real gem!
What do you use in the Helix with the Pedal Baby with a real cabinet...AMP or PREAMP blocks? I am currently using a Marshall 50w DSL tube amp for my Helix power (Helix PREAMPs). What do you prefer or what is the better choice when using the Pedal Baby?
ok... this depends on the model you use really... some of these amps I like to use the "head" blocks... if they aren't sounding the way I want I will try the "preamp" equivalent. I found the high gain "heads" sound great and the clean "preamps" sound better... but that's just me!
I use a helix to the pa. With the orange, I want the ambient sound but don’t want to mic it. I love the DI of the helix. Do you still recommend bypassing the amp on the helix?
I'm building a wet/dry/wet rig and have been thinking of buying a Pedal Baby to use for my dry amp with one of those Harley Benton 2x12 cabs (Vintage Vertical) with 2 Celestion Vintage 30's in it. I already have the two amps for my wet which are two Hughes & Kettner Vortex 100W heads (solid state) with two 4X12's. The plan was to get a Friedman BE-OD Deluxe as my main distortion and plug that into the Pedal Baby after the splitter. However you said you wouldn't recommend just plugging a distortion pedal into the Pedal Baby but you never explained why? Do you think the Terror Stamp would be a better option for this application, and if so - why?
The Terror Stamp would be way better.. I thought i mentioned why in the video but just to be clear, the pedal baby is a power amp only, not a preamp AND has no preamp. it is made to have a preamp run into it. typically amps have a preamp section and a power amp section, and a distortion or overdrive pedal would go in front of that to distort or overdrive the signal into the preamp. in this case your pedal would be under utilized because the distortion box would be acting as your preamp. thus just distorting the signal and making that distorted sound louder. it can sound OK, but just not the best option!
@@jimmyfranklin Ok, and how about if I used a distortion pedal that is also a preamp, like the Diezel VH-4 v2? Or would it be better with a dedicated preamp?
New subscriber here. Awesome review, dude! Now I'm wondering how a Terror Stamp (using its Send) would sound in front of this (Terror Stamp as Preamp & Pedal Baby as Poweramp)
That’s actually the preferred way to run it in this situation. You want a pre amp running into a power amp. At the time I didn’t do it and now that’s the only way I run it!
Awesome Channel man ! Does this thing feel like 100 tube watts with that thick bottom end for hard rock /heavier music ? I’m thinking about switching to a modeler and going through this into a 4x12 cab and still want that power 💥
dude! for me, I get all that warm fat feeling of a stack behind me with this rig! and I haven't even ran it into my 4x12 yet and I can't wait. really it comes down to which modeler you choose... which are you looking at??
@@jimmyfranklin @Nick Yaw I am looking at going modeler also I have a orange 2x12 and a Brent Hinds terror. I'm thinking about using the preamp of the terror or getting the pedal baby. I am looking at between the helix LT or the kemper stage. Which would you go with?
@@corytaylor8673 oh oh oh!! that's a great rig set up!! and it works in so many ways... you have so many options.. check it.. option 1: use the terror and run the modeler into the front OR FX loop (watch polyphias rig run down they were doing this with ax fx) option 2: get the pedal baby and don't worry about using confusing ass FX loops haha option 3: get the pedal baby and run out the FX loop of the terror into the pedal baby and make the terror become 100 watts THEN put the modeler in between the two for a super versatile rig! I have a terror stamp video where I do this on this channel! as far as modelers go, I'm a helix guy. I enjoy the interface of it! but any modeler you get nowadays is amazing!
@@jimmyfranklin your the man I'll go watch your vid on that. Every time I watch polyphia I just weep inside lol. I think I'll go helix LT I haven't played one but a buddy of mine has the kemper power head and it sounds killer but your line 6 sounds huge too. Thanks buddy!
I just got back into playing guitar recently after a long time hiatus. I don't fully understand the amp/cab modeling with the Helix as it pertains to LIVE sound (not recording). With this Pedal Baby amp, you can still use the Helix's amp modeling correct? And since you're using an actual cab, you have to bypass the cab modeling? Is there any way to use amp modeling and cab modeling at a live gig? Is that only if you're plugging directly into the mixer of the house PA? Sorry for the questions, just thought you might could help since you seem to have used your helix in live settings. Thanks.
I love the questions! lets do it! first of all thank you for the support. 1) yes you can use the amp modeling with the pedal baby. specifically the amp HEADS and the PREAMP models. no cab models are necessary in building your patch since you are running into a real cab! 2) if you want to model a complete rig (Amp head into an amp cab OR use a combo amp model) the best bet is to run it through the PA system or a PA style powered speaker of some kind. to not over complicate it we can levant at that! did that answer all questions??
@@jimmyfranklin So if instead you had gotten a Terror Stamp, you couldn't use amp HEAD modeling is that correct? And you'd run your Helix through the effects loop in the Terror Stamp? Thanks again for your help.
@@drewgreene6027 not entirely accurate! you can use the head modeling if you run through the Terror stamps its effects loop but that will bypass the preamp in the amp, which is fine but over complicates a rig that I wanted to be ridiculously simple. it would still sound great I was just trying to not have to deal with an effects loop at all!
At 10:42 you mention bypassing the cab emulator. In this case, could I save myself $ and purchase the Helix HX Effects (which is the Helix Floor without any of the IR or emulators)?
not exactly! the hx FX is only the stomp boxes...no Pre amps or amp modeling! you need to have a pre amp or amp model to make this rig work... just bypass the cab model
Been using the Pedal baby with a 1 x 12 cab and the Helix now for around 6 months. Sounds pretty good, but to be honest , I can get 99% of the same sound/vibe/feel from a powered 1x12 and the Helix, with far less mucking around with cabling and routing . FOH was still getting the full Helix processing anyhow, so it was really only me hearing the onstage mix. I found using a coaxial powered 1 x 12 monitor made the difference very negligible. So back to just using Helix with a powered coaxial 1 x 12, less shit to carry, less shit to plug in, less shit to route and sounds every bit as good...:) Just my 2c worth.
It certainly is clean enough to use with power amp sims (I do all the time) BUT if you find that you aren’t achieving the sound you’d like, helix has the option to just use preamps from those amps!
I wonder who will do the first video of a Pedal Baby as the output amp with a pedal board of all the guitar effects Orange makes as the source of the rig's tones.
@@jimmyfranklin None of the Orange products have come across have ever failed to impress me. Even the Crush amps sound cool for the price. I can't say that about many of the other brands around. Hopefully, my tax return will allow me to get an Orange head. RU-vid really works at keeping potential viewers from finding out about cool guitar related channels. You have been around for a decent period of time and I'm constantly searching RU-vid for guitar related videos yet I only recently found your channel and a bunch of other cool guitar channels.
Hemordroid NZ OK! So the head of orange referred to the stamp as “basically a micro dark in a pedal”. I can imagine they were gonna make it one of the “dark” series at first but realized how limiting it would make the product when marketing to versatility. I was one of the first to own a dark terror and that amp was incredible. Again. The stamp (like the pedal baby) are class AB amplifiers. This is the difference and the secret to how well they fill the room and project. I gigged that 15 watt dark terror for YEARS and never had trouble hearing it on stage or at a rehearsal. However. I would play a 100 watt blackstar through a full stack and the second I walked away from it I couldn’t hear it. As the cleans go, the dark COULD clean up for some wonderful blues and breakup tones and the stamp will do exactly that without hesitation. Plus two volume controls and a foot switch so you can have a volume boost!
@@jimmyfranklin cool , thanks bro, I had a play through the dual terror but found the clean broke up on high volume so was bit muddy for me as I play mostly through an mxr sub machine .. tough decision .. the 20w seems too good to be true and in my experience they usually are so hence the scepticism sorry lol
@@hemordroidnz7908 I like the skepticism! when I finally get the terror stamp I will know what to address in the video! haha but I doubt the cleans can be AS CLEAN as the Pedal baby
Using the iPad for your preamp??? Yes you would turn off the cab sim in your modeling software and use the real cab in its place. (Unless you are running an FRFR speaker)
@@jimmyfranklin do you think it's worth buying a dedicated FRFR cab? Harley Benton makes a good looking one for just over $400 shipped...2x12 with a tweeter and dual stereo controls
Toby Lagan oooh my friend good questions! Only amp heads or preamps. You want to be able to bypass the speaker and every full amp has a amp head or preamp counterpart that you can copy in the helix. And I have it set to line level!
Working Class Musician Thanks mate!! I ask cuz I've been running a pedal baby 100 into a Mesa 4x12 recto standard cab for a while now but, I always had it set to instrument level. I thought that the pedal baby was instrument level with it being designed for pedals. I had been struggling with it sounding harsh, bright and thin. Since changing to line level not long ago it has made a huge difference in tone and punch, it's like it was never getting enough signal even at full on the volume knob in instrument level. Great video!
How does this hold up playing with a drummer? My other guitarist is using a 2x12 with a power stage 170. I wanna be loud enough to play with my band Elcia (Post rock/metal). I am using an open back cab and a line 6 Helix. IF you can message me to talk about this that would be so much help
Audio Propaganda I just played a room the other night that had terrible acoustics. My bass player runs an SVT bass amp through a 4x10 AND a 4x15 cab at the same time and my drummer is a Neanderthal that beats the hell out of his drums. The next night I played a bar with a band that had 2 guitars, drums, keys, bass, and saxophone. In both settings my rig held up with plenty of room to get louder if I needed to. I enjoy this better than the power stage and it’s really proving to be a wonderful piece of gear.
Now… excellent question. Short answer is YES easily. I play with guys with 100 watt Marshall’s all the time. Long answer is this: you will easily be loud enough, BUT to be loud enough with your desired tone comes down to how you create your patches and design your tones. Then just turn up and enjoy!!
@@jimmyfranklin I always giged with 50-100w tube halfstacks, but nowadays with my back problems I need to reduce my rig as much as possible. Thats why im thinking about going modeler->ss power amp-> 212 cab.
Hey I own one of these and I'm trying to find an affordable, compatible cabinet with it. Which one is that you got back there? The 212? I was looking at a very affordable Yamaha 1x12 cab that is 150 watts at 8 ohms I'm assuming/hoping it's the one since it's the right price!! If you have any sort of input or advice about this I'd appreciate it!!
that yamaha cab should work fine!! if the speaker is of lesser quality then that would be the only issue... what are you planning on running into it?? helix into pedal baby like this??
Honestly no! So something cool about this is that it is a power amp for something like a modeler. And because of that you’ll have not only the amp volume but also the modeler volume knob to manipulate and you can get a great tone at a low volume!
Lights And The Windows I’m so glad you asked! The power stage is an absolute beast with gobs of exploding headroom for double the price. It’s great. However. I feel personally that those extra watts are making up for its class d power as I believe that class d doesn’t project as well. I’m confident that you can achieve the same tone result with a power stage and if it has a microphone in front of it it’ll sound great but for me this amp projects as if it were an all tube 100 watt orange thunderverb. Seymour Duncan is wonderful but orange has way more experience making amps and that is the difference to me. Did that help? I hope it helped
Working Class Musician Hey!! I got the Orange! It’ll be here Thursday and I was wondering, are you using full amp blocks or preamp amp blocks? I’m hoping it’s full amp blocks so I don’t have to reset my snapshots! I know you said just bypass the IR’s but I just want to make sure! Good job selling me though!!
@@devinj dude...its so easy... I'm using both amp head blocks and preamp blocks... no "amp+cab" combo blocks... I like the preamps for cleans more but mess with it!! I just turned off speaker/IR blocks and it transferred great
Working Class Musician spent all day with the Orange on Friday....wow dude, you weren’t kidding. It sounds so good! Also, before when I went into the effects return on a head, I had to have a different. Patch with tweaked settings. When I got the PB I decided to use my headphone patches and just remove the IR’s. It helps that I use IR’s of the same speakers, but The sound was exactly what I wanted to hear. It replicates my patches fantastically. I also created some presets through the Orange and saved separate presets with the IR’s add and they sound great as well! It’s going to save me a lot of trouble having to create to separate patches for both playback mediums. Thank you for this video! Changed my whole helix experience for the better!
This thing have balls like a full size amp? I had a micro terror which was loud but lacked that low end thump. Also, how much headroom/volume can this dish out into a 16ohm 4x12 cab?
Yes! Instead of bell curve EQ. I’m guessing here it’s a active shelving that cut or boost the frequencies spectrum (from 60 to 300hz for exemple) in a even flat manner. Since it’s a power amp it would makes sense
Why would you mic up your cab and use the audio from your camera? 🤨 Or even worse, your condenser mic’d sound is the same as if you just used your camera mic.
