Revisited! How to use a pocket hole jig for dowel joints!

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In this review of my most viewed video I talk about comments, questions and trolls, plus a follow up on how to use a Kreg pocket hole jig to drill holes for dowel joints.
Original video: • How to use a pocket ho...
Similar technique by ‪@nesleyheiney3111‬: • From pocket holes to d...
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Here's the video of the table I made that uses this technique:
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@misterm7086 3 года назад

For those trolls, please watch my video on How to Give Yourelf a Lobotomy Using a Pockethole Jig with Screws and/or Dowels.

@MakerBeach 3 года назад

LOL! I love this comment! Pinned!

@MonoDde 10 месяцев назад

😂😂😂

@ninjaduck3534 6 месяцев назад

From their comments I think they already watched and followed that video hahaha

@xanderzb Год назад

It’s been my understanding that angled dowel joints are “traditionally” done using a drill press with a tilting table. It takes a pretty big drill press to do substantial-sized work like this. The abundant widespread availability of Kreg-style pocket hole jigs really opens up this fantastic technique to the masses. I think my great-grandpa “invented” this sort of jig, along with thousands of other similarly-skilled craftsmen, making them themselves in response to the needs of the day. The great work of Mr. Kreg was in really pinning down the essence of the idea, mass-producing it, and setting it loose on the world. I for one am really glad he did. Pocket screws are plenty strong enough for thousands of applications, and the same essential idea can be expanded upon in various ways and applied to more demanding conditions - as you’ve done, here. It’s quite an accomplishment.

@MakerBeach Год назад

Thank you! And thanks for watching and commenting!

@chadaclegg 2 года назад

“The method I came up with using the tools that I had” one of the greatest lines I’ve heard! I’d say 75% of the time you could get the job done like this without going out and buying another expensive tool. Great channel, keep it up!

@MakerBeach 2 года назад

Thanks Chad! I appreciate that! Thanks for watching and commenting!

@vasocreta 2 года назад

the troll responses were well done. Proof that people say stuff based on feelings and not thinking. Thanks for sharing!

@MakerBeach 2 года назад

Thanks!

@mgrygier Год назад

Thank you for this video and follow-up! I am building a 4ft x 18in x 19in chest for my parents 54th anniversary. All the wood is milled from an oak and poplar I fell in May. It is now November (in the South). I am excited about this project but did not want to use screws to join the front, sides and back and base. Thank you many times over for showing the proof of concept and application. The boards I am using are processed to 1.25inch thick by 5.5 to 6.5 inches wide. The dowel method will serve this peice well!

@MakerBeach Год назад

That is so great! I'm so glad it was helpful for you. Thank you so much for sharing that story with me. Let me know how it goes!

@victorrivas2350 2 года назад

That previous video and this video answered a question I had for over two years. I really haven't been able to delve into woodworking like I did last year ,but man oh man, this stuff is great!

@MakerBeach 2 года назад

Thank you so much for saying that. I'm so happy it was helpful to you. Thanks for watching and commenting!

@tomt9543 2 года назад

This is a perfect example of both what I love and hate about RU-vid! Your original video was great, and then to see the CONSTRUCTIVE members of the YT community building upon the first video to develop a really great technique is priceless! Then, as always, there’s the DESTRUCTIVE members, the trolls. I just finished building a coffin wedding arbor (don’t ask!) for a friend and used dowels in the angled joints, but it never crossed my mind to use the Kreg jig! Using 2 - 1/2” dowels and 2 - 2 1/4” pocket screws, the thing is bulletproof! I got tired of sanding dowels by hand and started chucking them up in the lathe and spin sanding them! Thanks for a great contribution that we can all use! Oh, loved the Crocs n Sox!

@MakerBeach 2 года назад

I couldn't agree more! Glad you like the crocs and socks! I'm trying to make that a running gag. Are you on Instagram? I gotta see this coffin wedding arbor. Sorry, I know you said don't ask. Lol

@chilliman7468 10 месяцев назад

I have just seen your videos. I really like this method as an alternative to just pocket hole screws particularly with thicker timber.

@leanwoodworks Год назад

Im LAUGHING SO HARD AT THE trolls. I remember that video .. I thought the moment I saw it that it was an awesome Idea.. Pocket hole has been around.. In a marketing concept it was released to the public en masse about twenty years ago. I too have seen these on old furniture.. It's its nothing new. Mr Kreg whom is from the same town as myself was passionate about getting America building again and it worked. It made it possible for everyone to do joinery and BUILD BUILD BUILD!! Now in shop notes and woodsmith magazine they made pocket holes jigs with routers.. My challenge to you is too make one of those jigs and continue using your current pocket hole jig as a dowel jig.. Great Video.. I'm 57 woodworking since age 12 and honestly was blown away when you made that video.. THANK YOU for thinking outside of the box!! by the way what about the mini kreg.. try doweling with that you will be amazed

@MakerBeach Год назад

Thanks so much for the encouragement and great story! Keep building!

@leanwoodworks Год назад

@@MakerBeach One thing I forgot to mention yesterday. If you are interested in some serious skill building with dowels. Start planning an investment into a product called the Dowel Max Buy it from the company itself. There are many knock offs out there. The dowel max system is by far superior to anything on the market. Now with that being said the initial jig cost 235.00 which could be considered pricey for some. I will say this if you are a DIY person working on your house you will migrate into wanting your space to work for you which means built ins and closets. The dowel max will do it for you. I am a strong proponent of using items that are accessible to everyone. Many RU-vidrs have changed into salesmen for super duper high end tools that you don’t need .. FESTOOL domino and CNC comes to mind in that thought. Many people are becoming aware of this and are turned off by the blatant advertising built into how to videos. I’m confident that if you stick to using accessible equipment for the masses your channel will continue to grow.

@later2672 3 года назад

Dude you are hilarious!!! My son made his family dinning table after he watched your video. Genius idea. I am currently crafting a table for my house. Going to use the same method. Thanks.

@MakerBeach 3 года назад

Thanks! Lol! This was a fun video to make. I'm also really honored to hear that I've inspired you and your son. Thank you so much for sharing that with me. Hope your table comes out great!

@xDrywall 4 месяца назад

👏🏻 Great use of the kreg jig. 👏🏻

@liamc-rb9tz 3 года назад

Great video again,, yea I agree with you theflat pack furniture..there's nothing like good solid carpentry..I remember about 30+ years ago, my brother in law made a kitchen cabinet for us,, that was one solid piece hanging on the wall..many many years later I renovated the house and that cabinet had to go. I used it in a shed for storage and it never came apart, yet the new one I put in, had doors hanging down and hinges coming loose.. can't beat the old solid carpentry.thanks for sharing 👍👍🇮🇪

@MakerBeach 3 года назад

Thanks for commenting and sharing your story! Glad you enjoyed the video.

@pfk6140 2 года назад

Hey mate. Great vid. I've only just come across your channel, but I really like your work so far. You also seem like a great guy! Keep up the good work.

@MakerBeach Год назад

Thank you!

@louislandi938 Год назад

Mr. MB, Your method might also be helpful when assembling items from IKEA. Whenever I do it, I make sure I have an assortment of metal corner brackets. Adding dowels would greatly increase the life span. I do not have a project in progress at this time but will absolutely use your idea in the future. Thank you!

@gregghernandez2714 Год назад

Really interesting concept. I have never used pocket holes on anything other than plywood, because there are better methods of joinery for a stronger joint, um you know like dowels. Ha! I think Kreg may have seen your videos because they have a new jig out that is specifically designed for 2 x 2 and 4 x 4 pieces of wood. It uses beefier screws and should hold up just like your method. I may have to buy one to check it out because I want to build a nice heavy duty long shelving unit for all my stuff in my garage. Keep up the ingenuity and great work! BTW if you want a great Doweling Jig the Dowel Max is really well built and extremely accurate. It is not cheap, but you will be able to pass it down to your kids and/or grand kids.

@brettrodkey8881 2 года назад

Great job with your video. Very thorough and easy to understand.

@MakerBeach 2 года назад

Thanks Brett!

@maximthemagnificent Год назад

Would love to see a strength test performed on this joint.

@Snipez-xv3oy 2 года назад

Great vid man, subbed and liked because of the way you commented on the troll comments!

@MakerBeach 2 года назад

Thanks for the sub!

@billparrish4385 3 года назад

Regarding the last viewer comment, I'm with you. But while it is true that most furniture does not fully disassemble easily, I think they're talking about how leg/apron assemblies often break down for flat storage and transport. This is not always the case, and regular dowel joints, regular mortise and tenon, floating tenon, etc., are permanent joints in this application, and are not only popular but traditional. That person's experience may be based on RTA furniture from a big box store (and collapsible can certainly be handy over trying to 'thread' a big piece through tight turns and openings), but it's definitely not 'the rule'. BTW, loved your reaction to it -- you really 'sold' the line.... :) And anyway, I mostly responded here to help you out with the YT algo. Good channel and project. Keep it up!

@MakerBeach 3 года назад

Thanks Bill! Yeah I had similar thoughts on that comment and totally agree with you that a lot of people are used to flat box furniture. But that's not the case with fine furniture. I'm not saying what I make is fine furniture (far from it) but I do prefer permanent joinery over nuts and bolts. Thanks watching, commenting and for the help with the algo! Super appreciated!

@tonypegler9080 Год назад

What a great idea. Using dowels and pocket holes screws - simply brilliant. New subscriber. Looking forward to exploring this channel. Heading out to the garage right now to give it a go - as soon as I put the rubbish bin out I have been told :)

@MakerBeach Год назад

Thank you! Hope it works out well!

@shadowkomet7180 2 года назад

I'm gonna pick up on the comment regarding maintenance. Firstly, it you are talking about maintaining wood, I hope you use something like Murphy's Wood Oil. This prevents cracking and keeps the wood nice and conditioned. (Not crazy about painted wood pieces to be honest.) Second, there is this thing called a jigsaw, and this other thing called a drill bit. In the worst case, you could use a jigsaw or something similar to cut apart the pieces. Now likely, using the same pocket jig and the drill bit you used to make the holes, you could just drill out the dowels if needed. That's all!

@MakerBeach 2 года назад

Thanks for watching and commenting!

@BDL090754 3 года назад

That was bloody hilarious Sean, ( Just as Gerald mentions below, ) the bewildered look on your face, it just got better and better, you should also try comedy. love it, Thanks

@MakerBeach 3 года назад

Thanks! Lol! Glad to send some laughs your way.

@dinkyshopYT 2 года назад

As a DIYer intermediate level woodworker, I love the technique. But I love the responses to the trolls even more. (Reading is fundamental.) So that got a like from me. The videos were helpful. Keep doing what you enjoy. Cheers. :-)

@MakerBeach 2 года назад

Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching and commenting!

@NelsonWoodworks 3 года назад

Awesome follow up video!

@MakerBeach 3 года назад

Thank you! And thanks for watching and commenting!

@FridayWorkshop 3 года назад

Another awesome video. I hope it gets you a ton more views.

@MakerBeach 3 года назад

Thanks man! I appreciate that! Keep up the good work on your channel too!

@enricosteyl6615 2 года назад

Great video! Geez you crack me up, totally made my day hahaha!!

@MakerBeach 2 года назад

Thanks for watching and commenting! Glad you enjoyed it.

@HowIDoThingsDIY 3 года назад

Awesome idea following up on successful content! Double down!!

@MakerBeach 3 года назад

Thanks man! And thanks for viewing and commenting in the first hour!!

@geraldl5221 3 года назад

Your face at 5:48 is how my father looks at me while he waits for me to realize what I just said was incredibly stupid, made me laugh, thanks for that, subscribed!

@MakerBeach 3 года назад

Lol! Thanks!

@peterlommel Год назад

I was about to buy the Kreg jig XL because that seems to be the right model for attaching 2x4 on 4x4 with the bigger 1/2" drill bit. Now that I saw this video I am doubting again. Better buy the R3 or the replacement model 320 with the 3/8" drill bit? Since this model is more flexible and also usable for thinner / wider range of wood?

@billmcmurray5656 Год назад

very cool

@brucewelty7684 Год назад

Good thoughts. My only gripe is the continued rendition : "butt joints glue-up are weak". This has been proven to be a ghost by several creators.

@louislandi938 Год назад

I tried to find your RU-vid channel but nothing comes up. Are you still there?

@hiddentreasureseeker 2 года назад

Lol! Just won a subscriber!!

@MakerBeach 2 года назад

Thank you! Glad to have you!

@rogerbartels5223 3 года назад

Good idea, good video. Some people are just idiots. IF someone wants to be able to disassemble a table for maintenance, then use BOLTS instead of a permanent fastening method. Simple solution!!!

@MakerBeach 3 года назад

LOL! True!

@BrokenLifeCycle 2 года назад

Dowel joinery is something so intruiging to me. It's surprisingly strong yet very simple. If the aesthetics of hiding the dowels is of no concern to the user, then it can be as simple as clamping two piece of wood together, drill, and then pin. No need for precision except for maybe keeping it consistently spaced. If used in tandem with pocket screws, then the utility of the system improves immensely because now one jig does both and can partially eliminate the need for huge clamps for some glue ups.

@oldporkchops Год назад

I'm not a master woodworker, but if you add up the girth of the dowels plus the two top and bottom pocket hole screws, I would venture to guess that they are close to a tenon's girth. Just saying. This method is fast, inexpensive, and simple. Case closed.

@MakerBeach Год назад

Thank you I agree! And thanks for watching and commenting!

@oldporkchops Год назад

Just subscribed. If you ever make a door + door frame, let me know.

@brucewelty7684 Год назад

and my first comment was more an algo trigger

@brianmorris8045 2 года назад

A bit of lateral thinking there, using very long dowels instead of the screws. Briliant. But still using the jig to make the holes.

@MakerBeach 2 года назад

Thank you!

@peacebeuntoyou8934 2 года назад

I'd love to know what Mike was smoking.

@MakerBeach 2 года назад

Lol! Me too!

@amzhitech4316 3 года назад

Hi this is Jane from qfun, we have a digital caliper, and would love to invite you to test it on your channel, are you interested?If so, pls let me know how to contact you, thank you in advance.

@MakerBeach 3 года назад

Thanks! You can use my about page to contact me.

@GaryZellner-nx4wq Год назад

You'rre the first I've seen that answered or replied to troll comments. Classy, straight to the point answers and replies. Great information and video ! Thanks.

@MakewithJake 3 года назад

This is fantastic! I want to see another follow up video "how to disassemble a table for maintenance"

@MakerBeach 3 года назад

Lol! Step 1, put gas in your chainsaw.

@rogerbartels5223 3 года назад

@@MakerBeach Good idea!!!

@billparrish4385 2 года назад

I think that follow up video will end up grouped with those covering how to disassemble for maintenance table legs joined with dominoes, dowels, and tenons. The one covering legs attached with screws and brackets will be filed in the "RTA furniture" section....

@ianmurray3820 Год назад

Great video, I’ve never used dowels or mortise and tenons going into blind holes in the legs as in your table build, I prefers to make a feature of the joint in a different colour of wood, and so just drill /cut them straight into both pieces but isn’t DIY Woodwork about using what tools and Knowledge you have to get the best result that you can ? … and these types of video give you more knowledge ….!!.. and a different perspective..💪🏻

@seymourscagnetti1413 Год назад

This is an incredible idea. Maybe you should have patented it. As far as the naysayers go, when you click on their channel, it usually says: "NO CONTENT".

@robertsmith3518 2 года назад

The folks who were unable to grasp your dowel concept are issued handgun permits ,driver licenses and what's even scarier they get to vote . Great YTV , I will be using it on my next 2x4 joint ! Thanks !

@MakerBeach 2 года назад

Lol! Thanks Robert!

@richlewisg7818 2 года назад

I just finished watching both videos on this subject and like many others, I think you need to take your comedy on the road! And while I usually save a video I might find useful in the future, I immediately subscribed to your channel after watching this second video. Oh, I also saved it as well!

@MakerBeach 2 года назад

Thank you and thanks for watching, commenting and subscribing!

@moz6616 Год назад

keep replying to the trolls 😆

@TheTubeDude 2 года назад

This was fun to watch. I'm going to make/build a screen door for a Katio. Was going to use pocket screws, but will use wood dowels and 2 pocket screws. Your presentation was timely. Thank you.

@MakerBeach 2 года назад

That's great! Thanks for watching and commenting!

@peterpope7582 3 года назад

I cannot for the life of me understand why you would substitute a dowel with glue in place of a pocket hole screw. The screw provides a far stronger joint than the dowel. and is a much quicker assembly than using dowels with glue. Your hypothesis on the strength of the joint is flawed. Especially when you choose to agree with using a pocket screw as the third joiner vs a dowel tio strengthen the butt joint.

@MakerBeach 3 года назад

I used the third pocket screw to only hold the joint together while creating the dowel joint. I think pocket screws are great in a lot of situations but I don't think they are a good choice where a lot of torqueing forces can happen like on a large table. Thanks for watching and commenting!

@garywhittaker8832 3 года назад

To everyone that thinks pocket hole screws are the same or better than dowels so why bother, watch this ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6cAUz_eCmbw.html that's why this joining method is better than pocket hole screws, Good video and great follow up.

@MakerBeach 2 года назад

Thanks Gary! Great video recommendation and thanks for the kind words!

@iamnoone. Год назад

I want to subscribe, but are you still doing videos? I see you haven't made one 11 months

@MakerBeach Год назад

Thank you! I want to make more videos but just haven't had the time!

@mykolashatkovskyi576 Год назад

Frkn Ancient Egypt! You've made my day with this info!

@MakerBeach Год назад

Thanks! Glad you liked it!

@tommehan5458 2 года назад

What would the best way to attach the top to the apron. Tom

@MakerBeach 2 года назад

There are different fasteners that allow for some wood movement. I've never used them but here is an example: amzn.to/3rwvuAR

@doublem1971 Год назад

I dub thee.... Slayer of Trolls!😂

@MakerBeach Год назад

😂🤣

@RLLWoodworks 2 года назад

Haha I love the RU-vid logo in your background. Great follow up!!

@MakerBeach 2 года назад

Thanks Rory! My son made that for me lol!

@dennisaslan9684 2 года назад

you r correct ,and it was a good idea

@MakerBeach 2 года назад

Thanks!

@vickikgibson9470 10 месяцев назад

wood to wood with good glue is always the best way! Screws just do not do what wood will when glued. Also, the expansion, etc in wood now works together...:) However, the combination idea was very good and supplied extra strength.

@WhoOwl-o4f 2 месяца назад

Wood does move significantly but if you put a finish on it like wax or the ladder you can stop the process greatly

@BassadorWoodworking 3 года назад

Great follow-up! I completely agree with your point about the dowels adding more strength to the joint as opposed to just pocket hole screws and glue.

@MakerBeach 3 года назад

Thanks! I appreciate you watching and commenting!

@brianmorris8045 2 года назад

Certainly looked like two dowels to me...lol.

@c6o7d1y 2 года назад

I came for the wood working tip. Im staying for the sarcastic indifference to made up concerns and pointless negativity. Great vids, I'm going to use this in my project. Making a Vanity for Valentines. And I'm thinking about Toe Nailing the 'Pocket Dowels' (just gonna call it that from now on) to form the shape of a Heart when sanded. Using darkwood dowels on a few subtle but openly exposed areas will be a finer detail anyone who actually notices should appreciate.

@MakerBeach 2 года назад

Ha ha thanks! I love the idea for your vanity! If you are on social media then please post it and comment again where I can see it.

@itSupport-yu9np 2 года назад

Fantastic engineering, it just simply makes sense. I have just recently moved, and my workshop is still evolving, so I’m making my benches with Kregg screws, because IT DOES let me take the bench down and re invent it. This is the most suitable method, for now. When I am doing permanent joins, I will absolutely use this method. This also gets rid of the problem when two screws collide using Kregg screws, as the opposite “Side” would simply glide through the “Opposing “ dowel. Thank you for the education.

@MakerBeach 2 года назад

Great analysis and thanks for the kind words!

@geraldbeaulieu9224 Год назад

This was a great educational video on how to fasten a table apron to a leg without having to purchase extra tools which can get expensive especially when this is just a small project you took on . Great video keep them coming !

@MakerBeach Год назад

Thank you!

@BlessedLaymanNC 3 года назад

I love it. I just found your first video and then checked out your list of videos. This one was the first on the list. Why YT suggested the older version before this one, is crazy, but you have a new subscriber either way.

@MakerBeach 3 года назад

Thanks Buck! Glad to have you as a subscriber!

@zeus01504 2 года назад

I love that the feedback is read and considered. Really thoughtful content creation. Shout out to all the trolls who don't realise how good this series has been!

@MakerBeach 2 года назад

Thank you! I appreciate the comment!

@Miserycreeksawmill 2 года назад

Love the video, always good to try and think out of the box, if u don’t try anything u don’t learn , try something and run with it might just be the next best thing!

@MakerBeach 2 года назад

Thanks James!

@Schneiw 2 года назад

Thumbs up to responses to the trolls, I really enjoyed that!

@MakerBeach 2 года назад

Thanks! This was a fun one to film.

@TheShutterbug1968 3 года назад

Wat to go! Thanks so much. I'll use this for sure.

@MakerBeach 3 года назад

Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching and commenting!

@scotthoptry1136 7 месяцев назад

Love this. I will be trying this method on my next build.

@MakerBeach 7 месяцев назад

Thanks! Let me know how it goes!

@creativespace3077 3 года назад

Great improvements

@MakerBeach 3 года назад

Thank you!

@SuperJellicoe 8 месяцев назад

I really like expanding my knowledge despite what trolls will distract you with. I was researching dowel jigs for a project and thought about upgrading my dowel jig kit that I bought some 40 years ago! I still have it but the original project was a coffee table built with limited funds and is still in use however I am building a wall for my RV lavatory to enclose an area for a hanging closet and a bank of deep drawers and was pointed towards the Dowelmax as I can use it in tight spaces etc. However, your suggestion of the Kreg pocket hole screw jig is a great option. Thank you reminding us of a good idea from another time period.

@csimet 2 года назад

I use the Kreg HD jig for larger projects. It uses a 1/2" hole vs. the standard Kreg pocket hole of 3/8". Two 1/2" hardwood dowels on the outer edges and a HD pocket screw between them to clamp and provide additional strength, makes the joint nearly indestructible.

@nominalvelocity 2 года назад

This technique would be great for certain instances where you can't separate the two rails in order to get a regular straight-on dowel in. Slot your apron in and dowel-er right up. I like it!

@MakerBeach 2 года назад

Thanks!