Revisiting The WORST Halo Campaign - Halo 5: Guardians 

Hi

I hope your sanity is going well since you play halo 5 guardians and review it as well.

Halo 5: Discount Spartan Edition

Halo 5, more like Halo not very good

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I also liked how they all had the ability to fly around, hover in the air, ground pound, etc yet they all just stood there like jackasses waiting to be overwhelmed by a bunch of enemies slowly walking towards them

Blue team consists of untrained amateurs.

easily one of my favorite parts too

Proof that characters are only as smart as the writers.

@@nigeltheoutlaw OOF

Weasel Batches, my man.

Still better graphics than infinite

Have you come back with the milk dad

Homework? I’ll start on it tomorrow.

black ops 3 2

There's even robotic arms too lmao. Kat from reach is the most famous example

I think Halsey was just too busy trying to stop Cortana that she didn’t have time to undergo the procedure to get a prosthetic arm

⁠@@ericdavidson9974Or how I like to think, Halsey is too broke to get a proper prosthetic lol.

That cutscene ruined the immersion. So chief can survive falling from orbit but dies if he falls 20 feet while you are controlling him. Nonsense.

@@JesusProtectsit’s more appropriate to think about the fact he can fall from orbit, but dies as soon as he jumps into a pool.

Yeah you didn’t read the 4 book, 17 comics, and 47 videos needed to understand

The fact that halo 5 is your childhood halo memory is a tragedy

As a kid??? Dude you're still a kid if you're saying that

@@victorraymond3420 The game came out 7 years ago.

The story's even worse if you did do some extended research. Hunt the Truth hurt me so bad when Halo 5 had nothing to do it.

I listened to the audiobooks RELIGIOUSLY THEY WERE SO GOOD WTF IS HALO 5?? Dont get me wrong i love the game…as a spinoff…

Yeah Hunt the Truth was so good too

Yeah the audio logs were so good. I was absolutely done with halo when I realized it has nothing to do with it

Hunt the truth had me on edge every week and then they didn't even do the whole "Chief is completely off the rails in the eyes of the people! He's a terrorist!" It was just "Chief is doing his own thing to save us" Basically like in halo 4 but with Locke as the person to go get him

@@MrGanjie Would be fun if we actually had to go against ONI in the games

Bruh. I would've disconnected my Xbox if that happened to me lol

The stairs will kill atriox at the beginning of Halo 7, setting them up as the next villain.

the part where you get Hasley from the elites? that was SUPPOSED to be a HIGHLY SKILLED elite, that just got tossed like a tiny chip bag from a 5 year old into a chimp enclosure.

sad thing is you can actually skip that actual fight using the grav cannon and ground pounding lol

I skipped him lol

The game is basically cotton eye joe on repeat until the end.

Lmao

It's like they weren't even in the same room when they mo-capped that scene.

Man didn't care

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Well, Spartan Ops didn't really matter in the first place.

@@Marinealver that sucks, I liked to think I was a Spartan that did something like Reach lol

Not only was it a Spartan Ops storyline, but they had even done books cover Jul Mdama’s storyline only to kill him off instantly in a cutscene🤦🏼‍♂️😂

@@alexschneider8494 Not only that but after the realization they fucked up with that 343i backtracked and had Jul's son from the books swear to take down the humans and that was like 7 years ago at this point and we have yet to hear from him again.

​@JJAB91 This is the first I've heard of this but I'm not remotely surprised.

Im right along there with you, I think I beat Infinite before finding out that yes, I had indeed missed a game and I wasnt actually going nuts or totally blanking out a game that I had definitely played, that being all entries in the mainline series. Only played a tiny portion of Halo Wars, never touched 2 at all. Still have no idea who the bad guys are though xD

@@Dajudge06I prefer the banished because at least then they are beating the corpse of the awful-excuse storm covenant. I never ever found out what the storm covenant wanted but I do know that the banished basically want a home and revenge.

I wasn't a huge fan of the halo games, but i played 1-3 (and years later through the mcc, halo 4) and they were really easy to follow when drawing a straight line. From 3-4 I was a little bit confused but I was able to make connections. After i beat 4, I jumped into 5 and just thought "what the hell is going on, I understand none of this" and then repeat that for infinite. The existence of outside lore is cool, and should be a thing for something like halo, but if you're someone who doesn't follow all those things, or doesn't play RTSs it really messes stuff up. 343s biggest mistake to me isn't anything multiplayer related, it's the fact that they manage to make a story so hard for a casual fan to follow because of those things. Sometimes the best thing to do for a narrative is making a simple straight line for the main story you want to tell, and have less important things branch out and expand to extra media.

To be fair, unlike Halo 5, which you had to basically go down a rabbit hole to read, watch, and listen, to separate pieces of media to simply understand Halo 5, you only need to play Halo Wars 2 for Halo: Infinite. Even then, just watching the cutscenes is enough to understand them.

@@phanto6599storm covenant didn’t give up their beliefs after the human covenant war ended. The elite that Locke kills at the beginning of 5 is the leader of the storm covenant from 4

The three missions as Master Chief are better than all the rest of Lockes combined

Multiplayer for halo 5 is one of my favorites in the series but the campaign is easily the worst halo campaign we have ever got.

@@MangoEnjoyer456 multiplayer lost me quick. The best mode had a form of pay to win with those horrific REQ packs and any of the other modes used maps that looked like some Paintball field.

@@MangoEnjoyer456 Spoken like somebody who never played halo 3 or halo reach

@@6feet1deep you can enjoy both halo 3 and halo 5s gameplay, they both have their own charm, I did liek 5s more accessibility to movement and 3 is just awesome with dual wielding and bubble shielding.

At least they got paid.

The game seems like 10 different stories all mashed together. It's the only way I can think of so many parts just being completely unexplained and making no sense. They probably did make sense with the other parts that would be included with it. Just a guess thou. Either that or just just wanted to throw in stuff that sounded cool to them 😂

​@@moderndemon84 and that's what's wrong with Halo now. "At LeAsT tHey GoT pAiD" the game has zero longevity. Halo 1-3 are so good people still play them to this day and enjoy them. It's bad for their legacy to have terrible voice lines.

@@Miller_Time Halo 2 remains so damn quotable anyone can play along with the transcript up to like the start of Cairo Station and even into Outskirts. Not to mention a bunch of isolated conversations later in the game. Halo 3 isn't quite there but it has its moments like Shipmaster's short "3:1" exchange. Meanwhile what the hell did 343's games have that was close to as good? People only remember Chief's "being a machine" line in 4 because it's the last one, not because it actually resonated with anything. Del Rio losing his shit was also memorable but for the completely wrong reasons. Halo 5 has a couple lines that are remembered more because they're even worse than the rest.

It’s a testament to how good of a VA she is that she still somehow killed it with the delivery despite the terrible lines. If only she had better material to work with like in the original games.

PC? Or did you have to take the dust off ye olde og black Xbox?

​@@JesusProtectsMaster Chief collection in Xbox One/Series is an option 😂. You don't need an OG Xbox or the 360

Halo 5 (solo on legendary) is as good as Halo 2 and 3... simple as that. Without commanding your team efficiently and effectively you wouldn't beat it. THAT is why Halo 5 campaign was great. It took more than bullets and beatdowns.... Halo 5 had the best 'literal' gameplay/physics. Best and most diverse weapons, vehicles, and enemies. The list goes on. Halo 5 was designed beautifully for BEING PLAYED and Bungie Halo was for Lore and free time.

@@feralOxObjectively incorrect opinion

@@feralOxFound the 343 dev

I like this ides alot. Too bad the damage is done

The baffling amount of praise for Infinite’s campaign really is just a testament to how bad 5 was. Community was so desperate for a good halo that even bland mediocrity seemed like a masterpiece in comparison to the utter horse shit that came before it.

@@Borgyboy09 Yeah lol I felt like the bad guy for feeling that Halo Infinite's campaign/story feels unfulfilling. And what I absolutely hate is when you have filler 'redirect' kinda missions, like 'oh we were supposed to go through this door to progress the story but its locked instead go to this tower 2km away and fight more enemy troops to unlock the door so we can add 1hr more to this campaign's length', they use this trope too much. It's like having a drink with only half the glass' worth of liquid but it feels like full cuz of the ice. I honestly feel like the story should've had more. I didn't feel that with Halo 1 through 4, 5 onwards just sucked.

@@AndyTolly123 Which is the root of the problem with 343's entire trilogy. They never saw anything through, each game was a reset from the last.

I've heard it described as an epilogue to a story that already happened that we didn't get to see. Wouldn't know personally, as I decided to stop supporting 343 after 5, but that's how it was described to me.

​@@stankyo infinite had the chance to take it the decent plot points from the other games (halo wars 2) and connect it with the "main story" and make it something that ties things altogether but alas instead of making it a chief vs atriox story, it turned into a cliffhanger "an ancient evil has awoken" plot with a new faction (the endless) as the big bad

to be honest they are called "deamons" for a reason , 1 spartan can turn the tide of an entire planetary battle, the deal was .... there were not that many , and the ones that were sometimes had to actually deal with fk impossible missions like infiltritating a whole armada to recover something , go lone wolf against an entire planet etc , so basically suicidal missions they achived their goals but some times with their own life, also spartans dint have shields for like 80% of the human-war covenant and the plasma weapons could literally oneshot them is not like in the games when you can face tank even on heroic you really think that 150 spartans assuming all of them were operative would protect thousands of planets , the spartans basically stall the war long enough for anything else to happen

​@@vergil9981 Demons* and yes Spartans were impressive, but for every Spartan like Chief, there is 10 who would die if put into the same battles Chief was in. Chief isn't the only massively skilled Spartan, all of the 2's were like him to a degree, but he was ridiculously lucky. Looking at Noble 6 being a 3, was the only other Spartan to ever be labeled as "Hyper Lethal". But look at what happened to 6, hell all of Noble team got killed on Reach, minus Jun, they got the forerunner data to the Autumn, yes, but the planet still got glassed, and all of them still died. They aren't invincible and they die plenty. And tbh the cannon is confusing in what Spartans can and cannot do sometimes, so a definitive list of feats that encompasses every last Spartan is very hard to make. Most of the reason the UNSC is so effective is despite our MASSIVE technological disadvantage is because we have more numbers per conflict usually, and that allows us to triumph. Reach is a great example of when that isn't a factor how poorly we actually fair against the covenant. Also, face tanking on heroic? Maybe in CE, you legit can't do that consistently at all lol, but maybe in certain circumstances, sure.

11:20?

I think buck was sved by chief on reach

I guess earth didn't get folded by the covenant due to the events of Halo 3, I GUESS you could say that's what he means given Buck was a main character in 3 ODST but still it makes no sense.

I always thought it meant that John 117 was their inspiration for becoming a spartan.

And after all that Halsey says she wants revenge. And nothing happens. 😂

343 was expecting you to have read the comic books and novels.

And then Infinite 😂

Blue Team is old news if you read the books at least.

​@@baelm i didn't even know until this moment that they made books. the books should absolutely not introduce massive storyline changes outside of the main form of the storytelling device

@@joealese the books have been around since bungie's time with halo.

On one hand, yeah chief definitely should’ve specified which one, but on the other, they’re supposed to be some of the most elite Spartans in the world, I’d expect that they would be able to figure it out

I mean they are elite soldiers. Talking guns is often better than verbal communication, especially if your trying to describe which of the identical targets to shoot.

i would have assumed he meant the target the one directly in front of him lol

@@falcongamingproductions9938 The IIs in the books were so in tune they often didn't even need to speak to coordinate, it was all subtle body language that neither marines nor covies could keep up with. So this is just more bad choreography.

Honestly liked it better then halo 4. Hot take

It's so bad. He does it in Halo 4 too (honestly even worse because it's JUST Chief and Cortana because the other characters don't actually matter, and even WORSE he has lines that don't even make sense half the time like "I thought we had a truce with the Covenant" (????) or the 70th time Steve Downes has to record a different take of "Cortana". It's just so blatant filler that you can honestly remove 90% of Chief's lines in 4 and 5 during gameplay and it literally won't change a single thing about the story. I swear it just comes across like an episode of Dora the Explorer. Can you find where the hunter is? Right on top of us? Seriously 343, you do not need Chief commenting on *every* *single* *thing* he sees or does. It's okay to let us see it with our own eyeballs, you guys! He still does it in Infinite by the way.

I had this thought, that you could play as either Locke or Chief, and depending on which story you pick to play as - your final boss or one of the bosses would be the other. So as Locke you gotta fight Chief, and as Chief you gotta fight Locke. Edit: adding onto this, how freaking cool would it be to have to fight THE Master Chief after playing as the veritable badass all this time?

Brian Reed was fired pretty fast after Halo 5 dropped, but at that point the damage had been done. I stopped caring about Halo's story after that trainwreck because it just isn't salvageable after such fanfiction levels of hack writing. Infinite was proof of that.

It’ll piss you off even more to know that 343 retconned what rampancy even was, in Bungie’s Halo lore and even in Bungie’s previous FPS franchise Marathon, Rampancy was part of an AI’s path to true sentience.

@@Slender_Man_186 I always assumed Cortana was already sentient, which is why she was so important in the previous games, including Reach.

@@Yodalemos not quite, the UNSC has two separate classes of AI, there are “dumb AI” like Vergil from ODST or Auntie Dot from Reach, who are relatively basic and carry out menial functions, and then “Smart AI” like Cortana who are made from brain scans of humans and come far closer to mimicking humans. While Cortana is easily humanity’s most advanced AI, she doesn’t actually have complete free will, ever notice how she’s always willing to sacrifice herself and Chief at a moment’s notice? This is why in Halo 3’s Mendicant Bias terminals, the Gravemind emphasizes how Mendicant has been given a *choice* in how he can handle the Flood.

@@Slender_Man_186 sentient and free will isn't the same thing and neither means you can't sacrifice yourself

And absolutely none of it mattered thanks to Brian Reed's masterful writing skills. "Subverting our expectations" in beautiful fashion :)

Yea they weirdly expected everyone to play through spartan ops as well. And still went ahead with this storyline when they even knew spartan ops was a flop

Yeah and the reason Halsey has no arm is because it was amputated after Palmer was ordered to assassinate her buy only shot her arm

Especially the watchers. Always hated how they could revive anything to full health and eat grenades

Same here!

I still occasionally look at his videos to critique some stories I make. Great overall and very entertaining

Considering those were his first videos. Nice

Mine too

... Low bar to clear... but yeah. So many ideas not followed up in this campaign on though.

Ahaha yeah man they are both so bad

Sometimes I forget the show exists lol

The TV show is something that deserves to be forgotten

the TV show was so bad that I wasn't even aware of it's existance

This needs to be pinned

But literally no one wanted to see that conflict. Everyone hated the created conflicted, hated Cortana being brought back as a villain, and hated for 2 games in a row fighting promethean enemies. They hated that there were too many characters to follow. So I don’t get why people got mad at 343 for pivoting on a lot of the story. People didn’t want to see where the story was going after halo 5

@@highviewarts Good point, but now I feel like my time has been wasted and the story still sucks anyway

@@highviewarts I feel like infinite was just an attempt to "retcon" (more like put behind) a lot of the plot points of the reclaimer saga to start fresh. the problem is that 343i failed to resolve most of it and instead just put everything on hold to likely be explained through books or terminals. They should stop going forward with the story and focus on making everything up to now add up.

Nah they needed to resolve it in Halo 5. Infinite didn't that cursed storyline.

I wouldn't say that's _always_ true. The original Halo trilogy's story built onto itself with each entry. But that was the point: it was a well-rounded trilogy of games. Same goes for the Mass Effect Trilogy or the original Star Wars trilogy.

True that

Reminds me of that video of a guy coming home covered in muds with 3 equally muddy dogs. Not a word was needed to be said to understand what happened.

@@danielgiovanniello7217 yes it is. Halo 5s story is literally incomprehensible if you did not read any of the supplementary material outside of halo 4. That is ridiculous.

@@jamesdaviesanswers8751 Spartan Ops was in Halo 4 and explains Jul Mdama and why she lost her arm. And a few other things

How long did it take for you to clean that stain? Lol

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and in Halo Infinite the story already happened before the game starts, so it's why it feels like you are just walking outbound in an underdesigned area 😂

⁠@@arbiter1243 halo 5 you’re trying to catch up to the story, halo infinite you’re wandering around after the story

@TheActman....267 HOLY [[Cungadero]]!!

@TheActman....267OH MY GOD REALLY!!!11!1!1!??

Unless, y’know, a talentless hack of a writer decides to resurrect that AI using Deus Ex Machina before turning them evil because reasons. No biggie.

@@richardphilpott1013 "iM a StOrY wRiTeR"

@@thegoosenoose5121 It's a spam bot, don't engage with it.

It’s what I did 😂

H5 made me realize Blue Team would serve the story better if they were all dead. They suffer from Captain Marvel syndrome. Where tf were you? What the fuck could possibly be more important than stopping the extinction of all life in the galaxy? After Spartan Ops I think chief should have been paired with a group of Spartan IVs that think he's a gigaboomer, and chief thinks they're a bunch of whiny cunts, but they all still have a lot they could learn from each other, especially since Spartan IVs have been depicted as a bunch of pussies. This probably would have made for a lot of better character moments instead of "Hey hey! Remember that thing we did? In a book." Probably could've generated some better conflict when chief went AWOL because of a vision because the rest of the team would probably react like "Hey this oldhead may actually be, like, insane." Goofy ass vague story callbacks =/= character development. MC was traditionally a static character and that worked fine but when you try to move away from that in H4 and then introduce a bunch of characters he's supposed to be friends with in H5 but they've already had their character development, then wtf are we even doing here?

Blame bungie not 343, blue team has existed since 2001. The fall of reach which introduced them sold over 1 million copies 1/6 of halo CE. Not to mention this just how halo works they just introduce stuff and expect you to follow along. Like consider they never introduced who the covenant are or who the unsc are. They never explain how Chief or Johnson made it off halo ring and back to earth. Their is no reason to bog the game down and introduce these characters who have know each other for 30+ plus years.

Hey to be fair you can boil any story down to a series of contrivances

@@JJJBunney001 I guess the problem is that these ones were so jarring, especially in the context of a long running series

@@TheFuri0uswc This comment hurts my head in so many ways. It's near fucking delusional

Off-screen character development can be very hit or miss. Usually jarring

Once again, that all happens in the books. Not the games, which is were 99% of the fans get their info. Stupid isn’t it

@@emiliovanilla6833 Off-screen character development should not exist. If you have to put in a 2 hour long prologue when you play as Buck and experience the character development, I'd still consider that better. Kingdom fucking Hearts did that bullshit with Roxas; you don't need to play 358/2 Days to understand the tragedy of the character before you play 2.

God just reading this one line from halo 3 reminds me of how fucking incredible the writing was.

@@FPSBuzz "to war"

And chief and arby don't even interact at all! Wtf

The entire jump from 4 to 5 is explained in the spartan ops missions in halo 4. In that halsey gets captured and her arm cut off by the al dama dude. 5 is directly after the spartan ops missions

​@@Nick-hm9rh yet a vast majority of Halo players didn't even touch Spartan Ops 🤦🏾😂🤣😂🤣😂

crazy times

Maybe Add Buck too? Imo, Buck Is the best Spartan IV for me 😂

Damn, just say you don’t like Locke

@@_devil__0nline67 I don’t like Locke as a Spartan, I like him as an ONI officer though

Yep, that's really the only reason I liked it. Imo Locke could've worked but certainly not as a protagonist when you've got the far more interesting stuff going on with Master Chief and his old friends.

But they suck as AI teammates.

If they did mocap, the mocap guy wouldn't be in a big bulky suit. And the Spartans in unarmed combat are meant to be extremely skilled, fast and deadly. Especially Chief. Lore accurate chief could have punched one once and KO'd Locke.

Cortana was done the dirtiest of all

They all were done so badly because the head of 343 hated halo

​@@4TheWinQuinn why dont they changed the head then?

You're stronger than I. I didn't even get through 4.

4 is the worst of them all 5 was just too easy for me and infinite was just boring after like 40mins 2 is the best imo

@@nigeltheoutlaw 4 was my introduction to halo and my first ever shooter so I have some nostalgia for it.

You should see his work on Halo Escalation, Halo 5 is just the tip of the iceberg for his awful writing

It’s insane how bad the writing is in this game. Literally every piece of dialogue is some cryptic bullshit or some expository crap referencing book material

@@nagger8216 I'm aware. I own part 2 and 3 and gave up finishing the set because the story sucked. I ended up looking up the ending online and found that it makes everything that happens in Spartan ops and this very comic feel completely pointless.

Reed was just just a symptom of the disease started by O'Connor. What was once simple but deep lore is now a mess of gobbledygook and nonsense.

Ohhh maybe I'll stream that! No deaths entire CE Campaign. I could do that

@@TheActMan can you also do waw veteran no death livestream

@@TheActManbut can you do it without blinking

@@TheActMan I too would love that! The deathless CE videos are amazing

I love how halo 2 isn't on the table because...sniper jackels

tbh they did it way before 343 decided to make her the villain

The fucking studio was named after the bad guy - 343 guilty spark

No. He just said that to infinit6

He poured milk before the cereal

He didn't want to come home before curfew

*"hunted"

He didn't eat his vegetables.

I loved this part of CE around exploration, don't you insult it like that

​@@5tm422 nobody said it was an insult but you

and it was awesome

I know right? It hasn't even been a decade, it's like 4 fucking years after the originals and all of a sudden the UNSC is as powerful as the Alliance from Mass Effect or some shit

Just bad writing. That’s all this series is anyway.

@@nagger8216 The Alliance wasn't even supposed to be that strong, they were just a rising star that happened to join at the right time. The post-343 UNSC would be like if the Alliance all of a sudden had a Reaper fleet under their control and now everyone else was at their mercy.

@@ValentinoMarino11 h2 has some of the best writing ive ever seen in an fps. Every bungie game had great writing actually. Its only 343;s abominations that make no sense.

@@barkley8285 sorry I forgot to emphasize 343s halo’s. H2 is fantastic and has better writing than the new trilogy all combined.

I could be wrong but the lore reason could be because of what happened in the new blood book with that whole situation with alpha 9 and Jun from Reach getting him to become a spartan, but the real life reason (take with pinch salt) is they originally wanted spartan Thorne from spartan ops but since that failed they chose Buck instead because he's more familiar

Buck got tired of leading a team after one of alpha 9 betrayed him

Don't worry, the lore explanation is more infuriating thanks to the book New Blood. In New Blood; the Rookie got killed, Dutch retired, Mickey betrayed everyone to join the insurrection, and Buck and Romeo couldn't stand to be around each other. So Buck decides to take a break from leadership and work under Locke as a result. Then 343 realized how dumb all that shit was so they backtracked as much as possible with a book set after Halo 5, Bad Blood (insert Taylor Swift song here). In Bad Blood; Buck and Dare go to find Romeo on the Grunt homeworld, get Mickey out of prison to help contact insurrectionists, also Dutch and his wife (also an ODST) got bored of the domestic life so became Spartans and get picked up while getting Mickey. So as far as we know the gang is back together except the Rookie, because he's still dead. But he's been replaced by Dutch's wife, Gretchen, so the count is back up to 6.

@@Smellbringer “You’re our new Number 6”

The unsc got the technology to make spartan 4s from adults who were good enough soldiers. Buck was a top officer odst. So an obvious candidate if he met the prerequisites for which he obv did. This made all his great inate warrior skills even more pronounced and he is now strong enough to wear spartan 4 variants of armour. So that basically qualified him to be on one of the best spartan 4 teams

Honestly the low Chief-to-Locke-ratio could have worked if they actually kept the mystery of Chief going AWOL, if the player was kept in the dark and really made to question Chief's choice Not only that, but once we got a resolution to that plot we could then have gotten another Chief/Arbiter level partnership with Chief/Locke in Halo 6 (in the good timeline where it was actually called Halo 6, and not...that...thing)

Indeed, at least with the whole Halo Ring being a galaxy scale sentient destroying weapon, at least the very big playing field we had was how deluded and unaware most of the covenant were since they were still uncovering all the secrets of the Forerunners And that lack of knowledge of Earth and that it required humans to interact with it was what leveled the playing field. It was either survive, or fight to the death or end yourself to not allow yourself to be captured But here with Guardians... Nth to stop them... Sure they could've made Cortana 2 by barely surviving, I'm sure it would still make a great campaign, rallying your troops, divert enemy attention etc, obtain weapon cache that can fight basic forerunner constructs, so many strategic options of gameplay lore to outsmart and outplay an AI that pretty much was your trump card against the covenant, it would've built some great value, along with the covenant remnants or those of the Arbiter side, be it grunts hunter etc working with you, cuz they are basically as good as dead It would've become the enemy of my enemy is my friend for covvie that my greatest ally is my greatest enemy for Cortana But they kept changing here and there Cuz they felt like it wouldn't do well and just jumped to another, and then again... I'm sure whatever they planned with 4 would've been great, along with bits of 5 and Infinite that I'm sure were part of the original story they had in mind

Its Glasslands

@@benmartin9168 thank you

@@bcm2893 yw, I was pretty surprised and happy when they added him to spartan ops. Then I wished they had forgotten about him when I saw him get rekt by 'scrub' team in 5

Halo infinite still had some story telling issues, like wtf happened to that dude who beat the fuck out of master chief?

​@@reheyesd8666 everyone thinks Atriox is dead... except he some is still alive

@@reheyesd8666 come to think of it, what happened to the arbiter…? Like, he was just there in the back of the ship in the end of Halo 3, after that he vanished completely from 4, showed up in 5 again (with inexplicably different skeletal structure and anatomy, might I add) while contributing surprisingly little to the plot, and then in Infinite… HE’S COMPLETELY GONE AGAIN? Like, what the hell happened? Did 343 just forget The Arbiter exists, or is it gonna be some bullshit twist like The Last Jedi’s “I fell into a black hole while trapped inside a pile of wreckage, and I somehow lived…” except this time, the arbiter will randomly appear for the last mission of the game and sacrifice himself to kill the final boss, just so 343 can “simplify the lore.” Like, I seriously feel I need to read more of the books or something…. Cause goddamn, I must be missing something.

I mean, if you just play Infinite without 4 it still makes about as much sense The 343 """"trilogy"""" is literally 3 games that have nothing to do with each other, except for the fact that Chief and Cortana are in them for varying amounts of screen time

​@@wolfetteplays8894 bro, literally what happened to everyone who was in 5? We only know what happened to Chief, and potentially Locke if the easter egg is supposed to be his actual fate

Yeha but damn, as a someone who never played halo 5, I heard so many different locations and sources to "get" the story - from podcasts to audiologs, the Spartan ops missions (which I actually played but totally forgot about), and then I heard that none of these things matter in the halo 5 story. This game is such a mess. Infinite is rivaling that throne though.

You'd have to have been playing a mediocre game mode (SpOps) of entirely reused assets for over a year after Halo 4's release to even get the chance to see that cutscene, and for what? For 90% of fans it was out of nowhere.

Sounds like classic corporate management meddling from some business schooler who's never even played Halo

Probably though I like the video hiddenxperia talked about the concept art and what the story was possibly going to be

That’s exactly what happened, it’s why the story has no connection to H4

There is concept art of the Didact, I think the writer had planned for him to be the main villain of the story. But I still wonder why 343i had the "brilliant" idea of bringing Cortana back and on top of being evil... Like, WTF.

@@turututu2113 I seen it were he like wearing a cloak hide his destroyed body and all he has a cane for walking

Yeah except he's wearing ugly ass armor lol

It’ll never happen, the halo staff won’t make an AU because it will break the story they’ve been trying to tell into a million pieces, and make the plot even more confusing

@@wolfetteplays8894 The plot is already confusing, convoluted and they wrote Halo 5 off themselves and still fell on their ass with Infinite. Since they didn't fully retcon 5, its actually more confusing when things are brought up but not resolved in Infinite. We also aren't getting the expansions meant to inform more on the story and the "Endless". Sorry It's just completely unsalvagable, start from scratch, no ties to the current 343 games period, else there's no chance for a new decent halo story because of all that narrative baggage. You do a side tale with the Arbiter, this gives a chance to A bring the feel of the game closer to the Bungie titles with the new upper management (MCC guy), B you give people what they want with the return of playable elites, and C you get to see more of the only highlight 5 had, Sanghelios, recontextualized to be more fitting to the timeline at the end of Halo 3, so no required book/comic reading to know whats happening.

I played halo 5 when I was really young so I never really knew arbiter (sadly wasn’t there for the og trilogy) Yet somehow I still liked arbiter the most in this game and got bored of the rest. As soon as I learned classic halo lore I appreciate this appearance all the more.

With the massive disclaimer to NOT let 343 develop it. Frank O Conner will straight up ruin whatever good writing potential exists in that idea, and that's if it ever would get off the floor with how incompetent their upper management is

Too bad they ruined him and the other Elites by making them complete dicks that showed zero remorse for trying to exterminate humanity

Halo 5 has some great individual levels. It’s just a mess when put together. Can’t say I didn’t have a lot of fun playing Halo 5’s campaign

Crazy to see him blow up to what he has now