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I get goosebumps from seeing the two girls interacting normally in front of the Weirwood tree, and remembering that Bran Stark is seeing everything... 170 years in the future.
Agreed! A definite improvement from the book, where Alicent is about a decade older than Rhaenyra, and there appears to an evil-step-mother-undermining-step-daughter vibe to their relationship from the start.
I honestly prefer the younger actors over the grown up ones... i especially feel like the grown up actress for rhaenyra wasn't as good. That combined with how the writers made adult her do nothing but pump out babies, I ended up not liking grown up rhaenyra at all
@@bryand6811 they were cold and emotionless. It was hard to like either of them but olivia cooke was still cool. But the younger actresses have so much girl energy and its cute.
@DVillagomez240 Olivia cooke brought the anxious, shivering, rabid chihuahua at a rescue shelter energy in her performance and I really loved that. But she and rhaenyra's actress don't have as much chemistry compared to the younger actors. Which is such a shame cause I feel like if they did then her performance wouldve been elevated more... and yes the younger actors were adorable
The two young actresses nail it. Grown-up Alicent is also on form. Grown-up Rhaenyra is a tad lacking in places. Also doesn't really resemble the spicy young princess we love.
Yes! It really shows us how much Alicent has changed as a person and tried to assimilate into the Targaryen family It's interesting but ultimately she was right at the beginning, Targaryen's are siiiickkkkk in the heeeeeeaaaddd for thinking incest is OK
@@nicksmithnutmilk in the books? Cause I know In the show there was the opportunity for Helaena to wed Jacaerys and Viserys was all for it and Alicent scoffed at the idea
I think a lot of people are missing one key thing in Alicent’s growing resentment for Rhaenyra. Rhaenyra is one of the few women in their world who has some semblance of a choice in her fate. She has very little say but she does have some because she is Viserys’s heir. Alicent has none. Because she is a woman of nobility she was used as a pawn as a lot of noble women were. If Alicent had pulled half the crap Rhaenyra has pulled, she’d have been either exiled or executed. Not to say that Rhaenyra was wrong to have her affair with Lord Strong, but Alicent’s outrage was justified because it was always so blatantly obvious. And everyone was turning a blind eye. There’s such blatant hypocrisy there that it’s painful to watch. So imagine how Alicent felt.
Her father wanted her to seduce the king to give him power, she wasn’t even considered a candidate until she started showing up at the kings room at night. She chose to do this and keep it a secret from her friend
@@peachbunnys01 no she doesn’t. She has every right to take every emotional outlet and advantage she can. But imagine how excruciating it much have been for Alicent to watch. There’s a special kind of hell that comes from watching someone you love get everything you want.
@@juliamiller5120 Alicent is a awful friend and person, you don’t get to take your shit out on your past friend because YOU did something to her. Alicent chose to seduce her friends father
Rhaenyra also lied to Alicent in the Godswood(their special place, though Alicents gods are the Seven)and swore on the memory of her mother that she was innocent of everything(which was already a sore spot for Alicent, who loved her mother so dearly and shared how she prayed for her). Alicent was fully justified in becoming angry with Rhaenyra. I just think it's ridiculous how Rhaenyra later demands the Targaryen sons be questioned "harshly"(aka tortured)to learn where they learned to call her Strongs "bastards". Rhaenyra:"How dare you say something true?"
Alicent gets upset that Rhaenyra lied to her in the Godswood, but that is the position Alicent put them in. The moment Alicent became Viserys’s queen and mother of Rhaenyra’s natural rivals she was no longer Rhaenyra’s best friend. Rhaenyra knows this and that is why she was so upset at the betrothal - she could handle being Laena’s rival cause they were not that close, but Alicent was her dearest friend. Alicent refused to accept this new political reality and instead resented Rhaenyra for it.
Yeah if Rhaenerya was smarter she would have used the fact that Alicent has no friends to her advantage, manipulate Alicent into being "besties" only for it to lead to Alicent never making Aegon want to rule or even think about it. (Otto would have never convinced her that her bestie will try to kill her son's) Like if she can lie in the Godswood to protect her lil ass (which I don't blame her for) she can do so anywhere else But Rhae rly messed up with those Bastards.... She really didn't know how to play the game of thrones...... pity but interesting for us to watch nonetheless
This not to mention that after the revelation that viserys would marry Alicent it was obvious she had been seeing him in private, not only did she not tell Rhaenyra she didn’t even attempt to hint to her like hey “my dad wants me to get close to your dad, maybe subtlety tell your dad it’s a bad idea,” Alicent may have been put in a difficult position but she knew what she was doing, and she made little effort to change it. Otto may have sent Alicent to viserys chambers but he was not privy to their private conversation, Alicent could have acted disagreeable or pushed viserys to other potential prospects. She basically lied and hid the truth from Rheanyra and on the eve of her mothers death. She knew what Rhaenyra was feeling she knew the pain her best friend was going through and still she proceeded to “comfort,” the king on behest of her father, again on the eve of Rhaenyras mothers death. Why should Rhaenyra trust Alicent, why should Rhaenyra feel guilty for going out with Daemon and then Cole. If Alicent had feelings for Cole, too bad she has no claim over him, she is married to Viserys, sounds harsh but she made her bed. Totally unfair for Alicent to hold that over Rhaenyras head or to be angry at Rhaenyra for not being honest. The first betrayal came from Alicent. If she is angry that Rhaenyra lied on swore on her own mother, it’s quite hypocritical as Alicent wasted no time putting her fathers plan of action again as soon as Aemma was dead. It’s as much disrespectful to do that to Rhaenyra again knowing the pain Rhaenyra went through upon her mother dying. Sorry but I am not on Alicents side.
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After watching the first two episodes of season 2 where Alicent is literally fukking Cole I realised Alicent is more hypocrite than I thought. @@elizabethfigueroa6159
@@_Axe1_There's no such thing as platonic friendship, what are you talking about? Any sort of emotional back and forth is clearly romantic attachment.
Otto was the Hand of the King, the second highest authority after the king. Politics is the job. The friendship of 2 teenage girls doesn't factor into it. Don't forget, it was Otto's suggestion to make Rhaenyra the king's heir in the first place. This act by itself did not benefit him or his daughter in any way, and shows that he wasn't quite self-serving yet. With that decision, he put the good of the realm first, and was willing to radically break tradition to make sure that Daemon didn't become king when Viserys died, and I don't blame Otto for not wanting Daemon as king. The problem is that he *also* manoeuvred his daughter to become the king's next wife. If Otto had not overreached and moved his daughter to catch the king's eye, Viserys would have simply married someone else, likely would have had sons with that wife, which may or may not have led to a succession crisis and war in the long term. It's impossible to know for sure. Alternatively, if Otto had not convinced Viserys to make Rhaenyra his heir, there would not have been a succession issue and war in the long run, and he still would have gotten what he wanted. If Otto had not made *both* of these things happen, things may have been alright.
@@anikethchakraborty3238which is understandable but I don’t like how he basically pimped his daughter out and he still managed to make Daemon his enemy which is stupid of him and made it a war for it not to be Rhaenrya when it no longer suited him.
Their dynamic is so twisted that you can't call either of them right or wrong. They're just helpless women exploited by patriarchy and trying to fund their individual purpose within this misery and trying their best to do what's right.
I feel for Alicent more. - Viscerys was essentially her rapist -Rhaneyra betrayed her trust -Viscerys clearly didn't have much love for her children. All of that to say, I get why she ends up resenting R.
1:40 you can see the genuine love in their eyes. They were in love with each other (confirmed by the actors) and it was destroyed by Otto's monstrous greed and ambition. I would love to see an alternate universe where they run away together on the back of Syrax.
They weren't lesbians. I mean, there is nothing sexual in their closeness. And Raenyra lusts after men and sleeps with them against her better judgment. They were childhood friends turned enemies. Happens all the time.
I hate it when Actors like to change the lore of the books, they were absolutely not in love (But the show and the book is different so you could argue)
Otto isn't the only one to blame. Viserys isn't a child. He had every power not to marry Alicent, but he was a disgusting pedo who was lusting over his teenage daughter's best friend.
And Rhaenyra. Especially Rhaenyra. She lied to her friend, betrayed people who put their faith in her and wanted children tortured for telling the truth about her adultery and everyone ignores that part.
So tragic how the game of thrones grinds up these friends and spits them out as enemies. It wrecks their lives, their families' lives and will go on and on, unstopped, to plague the next generation, and the next.
never seen this show but man these two deserve to be in a franchise where they will not only be understood better by the fans and also get to end up happier. i would deeply fear any fandom like this one watchinf smthn like revolutionary girl utena
I like to think that Alicent's first scene where she is offered a chance to ride a dragon with Rhaenyra is foreshadowing the reveal the her grandmother (from the mother side of her family) is Saera Targaryen.
No Alicent doesn't have any Targaryen ancestry. Alicent became the constant companion of King Jaehaerys, whose health was failing. She fetched his meals, helped him wash and dress, and read to him. In the end, King Jaehaerys sometimes mistook her for his daughter, Saera Targaryen.
@@vidhichauhan726 Truth. Also, it's telling that(SPOILERS FROM THE END OF THE DANCE!) - - - - - - - - - - - Alicents thoughts in her final hours were of Jaehaerys I, not her husband.
Alicent comes to hate Rhaenyra because she believes Rhaenyra lied to her in this scene but as we see, Rhaenyra only says she didn’t sleep with Daemon which is TRUE! Rhaenyra lied only by omission by not telling Alicent about Criston but Alicent was not lied to by Rhaenyra.
I mean Rhaenyra owes her no truth or loyalty anyway when Alicent kept the secret of her seduction of the king her father asked her to do or their ongoing relationship
@@peachbunnys01 alicent had no choice. rhaenyra only lied to save herself from a potentially deadly mistake. in their world it would be catastrophic for the criston affair to get out. criston himself would get executed and rhaenyra would get disinherited. all of this is made perfectly clear so why leave it out, and mislead people?
Alicent and Rhaenyra deserved better along with Alicent’s children. If Rhaenyra had tried to hear out Alicent, then maybe things would’ve been different.
I wana feel bad for Alicent but that situation just screams jealousy. Alicent is broken but her butting into things is just incredibly condescending and stupid.
I think it’s incredibly vile and hypocritical that alicent would be upset about doing stuff with her uncle when she got with her best friends dad and had children with him, then proceeded to marry her own son and daughter together.
I liked how close these two were. I would like a rekindling but being game of thrones. probably not going to happen. Honestly Rhaenyra shouldn't have been angry about Alicent marrying her father. Because she was shocked too.
I still can’t imagine why Alice think wasn’t murdered for attacking the first born, the heir, the princess after the king told her his word was law and final. That should have been the end of her
She's the Queen she's actually above Rhaenyra in status and behind Viserys so.... her position left her untouched. Also it was in the interest of all to not cause fuss about it, cause acting against alicent would make both sides clash even further increasing the tensions even further and no one wanted that... it was already at the roof.
Because if the king executed the queen Alicent Hightower it would have caused a huge rebellion and possibly war and it would bring more attention to rhaenyras sons being bastards which is what Visarys didn't want
Truth. The worst part is, she swears on the memory of her mother, when Alicent's love of her own dead mother was such a sore spot. No wonder Alicent "declares war". (Green supporter here. Know the show tries to slant things so we like the Blacks and only the Blacks, but I prefer Green, especially since Rhaenyra acts all innocent at all times and then treats others like they're awful.)
@@KunoBu She had a choice. She could have said that she went into the brothel with him, that they did have wine, etc; Sure, Criston outed her later because of his need to regain his honor, but the lie was what did it. Because Rhaenyra lied, not only did she have Otto sent away(for something she was pretty much guilty of), but she lied on the memory of her mother(remember that Alicent was very vulnerable about her mother, which she explained to Viserys about and how she convinced Rhaenyra to pray for her own mother)and in the Godswood, their special place. Just sayin'.
@@phousefilms admitting to any wrong doing even though it's her rapey uncle to blame would mean running her and her claim. Allicent knows that. Rhaenyra lost her mom too.
@@KunoBu Like, saying, sleeping with a man not her husband and having three bastards? Or being indignant at being accused of what she definitely did? Lol.
Alicent was alienated by everyone, and her best friend lied on her own mothers memory to her, and shown that Viserys would do nothing for her children or for her, and that Daemon would get away with it all, even be allowed to marry the Kings chosen heir, becoming king consort. She wanted to believe in the good of Rhaenyra and not listen to her fathers conspiracies, but when she was given that proof that even with his own son maimed and lost a eye after being attacked by rhaenyra's bastard children and Daemon's daughters, Rhaenyra got all the support, no one would stand up for her or care about her and her children. Rhaenyra alienated her best friend, the queen of the seven kingdoms, her step mother, and the person who could convince aegon not to pursue the claim.
IMO it would probs have been MUCH BETTER if Alicent was shown as being scared of Rhaenyra from the start - better if Alicent is shown not to have befriended her by free will, but because her dad wanted her to. Kinda like Mai & Ty Lee with Azula.
She's a spoiled rich girl who happens to have it all based on blood, but unfortunately for her and all around her , SHES SUCH A BAD POLITICIAN Literally LEFT, no RAN AWAY when she started to have a shaky status at court because of her bastards, therefore lost all control of the happenings at court (but daddys gonna deal with that!! Like what even was the mindset behind making big life decisios!?!?!? Impusivee ass girl..) And then came to cry to her daddy when they tried to overthrow her son's claims? Like that was her big smart girl boss plan, to beg?!? If he stayed corpsed up like he was, little strongs would have lost it all because she never wanted to play the game of thrones, just the benefits of sitting on the throne, aka right to do whatever she wants and for others to deal with it..
She was groomed by her father, this isn't the 21st century were she could girl boss all over Otto and watch empowering feminist tik tok. She had to obey, she bit her nails and was stressed obviously the context clues of a nervous kid being forced into something abhorrent. But keep sucking on that copium.
??? Alicent didn’t seduce Rhaenyra’s father. Otto was the one who manipulated them into getting married and all their interactions. Rhaenyra is well aware she was forced into this, 5:58 is a prime of example. Rhaenyra realizes she’s being insensitive complaining about having to get married and forced to have heirs when she realizes that’s what happened to Alicent. She silently holds Alicent’s hand as a way of apologizing. It’s not a black and white situation. Rhaenyra is upset Alicent married her dad but knows she had no choice in the matter. Alicent knows she has to do her duty but still wanted to be friends with Rhaenyra. Sadly once they became adults their relationship completely broke apart.
@@peachbunnys01 That was Otto's doing. Otto was the one who literally pimped his daughter out, episode 2 and 3 showcase this. He knew it was his chance to put the Hightowers into power and used his daughter. This show isn't black or white with one party being good and one party being bad. Literally rewatch 5:58 with Rhaenerya knowing Alicent had no choice in the matter.
fans of this franchise really do not have any media literacy because how do you blame a literal teenager over the many grown men that forced them to be in this situation in the first place
