I am sympathetic, but I think you're missing where he's coming from; I mean you're missing _where_ he's from. He's not thinking about bedroom producers at all, he's talking about the giant labels and the dozen or so mega producers. I'm not from this world, nor are you, but he is, and he's actually criticizing that world, which he's from.
@@sofia.eris.bauhaus I think you may have expressed his feelings better than he did with your question. But yeah, he's trying to criticize from the perspective of what he knows, which is big three (or big whatever it is now).
I mean, there’s literally a point in the video where he basically says that labels abandoned bands in favor of “people who could just make music on their computer computers and with a microphone” and then goes on to say “I think relying on technology hurts creativity”. He’s 100% talking down on bedroom producers lol It’s a completely nonsense argument. Instruments themselves are technology. I’m a vocalist, which means I don’t rely on anything except for my goddamn body, so I could say that Rick Beato isn’t nearly as creative as me because he relies on instruments to express his ideas whereas I don’t need that. It’s actually insane and stupid. I understand he likely actually meant computers, but that’s still stupid, because DAWs are essentially highly advanced instruments. He’s completely grasping at straws.
He said it's easy to make music now and is criticizing tech. Sure but not great music with great arrangements. He's bitter because no one wants to spend thousands of dollars to record at his studio. So now he's no longer a source for educational content and rather is a voice out to discourage the youth from trying out a DAW such as Live 12. In Live 12 they added a bunch of generative tools that are some of the worse on the market. It's because you can't tech a computer how to generate harmony and symmetry and things only humans can do. There's a war right now against creatives and a war against artist who create is a war on he who arts in the heavens Halloween be thy name. Hallow means Holy person.
He said it's easy to make music now and is criticizing tech. Sure but not great music with great arrangements. He's bitter because no one wants to spend thousands of dollars to record at his studio. So now he's no longer a source for educational content and rather is a voice out to discourage the youth from trying out a DAW such as Live 12. In Live 12 they added a bunch of generative tools that are some of the worse on the market. It's because you can't tech a computer how to generate harmony and symmetry and things only humans can do. There's a war right now against creatives and a war against artist who create is a war on he who arts in the heavens Halloween be thy name. Hallow means Holy person.
A lot of music from new genres that gets accused of being "lazy" or is written off as "bad" seems to take way more effort than people realize. It reminds me of the camerawork and editing in Folding Ideas' video on James Rolfe; To ignore the rules of a medium, you have to know what those rules are. It takes a lot of knowledge in a field to intentionally make something going against its' conventions. Hyperpop, Breakcore, and other new genres aren't different from everything else out of laziness. It's made by someone who knows how to make music choosing to create something breaking conventions and coming up with something unique. People who have a knee-jerk reaction to anything that doesn't sound like it's from the decade they grew up in just don't know enough about the evolution of music to understand why new genres are interesting and artistically valuable.
there are literal studies about how most people start disliking popular/new music after a certain age, and only like what was popular or they liked between age 11-20!
Honestly I think part of the issue is he's listening to music he wouldn't normally pay attention to, but because he's doing it for the clickbait rant videos he's only focused on whatever's in the Spotify top 10 etc. So his experience of what's possible is incredibly limited, but he thinks that limitation is inherent in the medium. It's extra weird because he's a producer with a lot of music experience, even if he thinks everyone else sucks creatively he should be able to ~imagine~ all kinds of wild stuff that technology makes possible instead of writing it off. Hard to know if he actually believes what he's saying or if it's just the RU-vid bit
I've produced for years, played instruments for years. The truth is that there's way harder stuff out there to do musically. And stuff like Breakcore and Hyperpop could be better, but these producers are coasting. Some nice stuff has been done with Breakcore. It's existed alongside Jungle for years, but over time it has essentially morphed into a tired sounding Drumfunk soaked with lush, reverb-laden pads. Breakcore for the last few years has been churning early 00s video game OST nostalgia. This isn't inherently bad--I've enjoyed some of it. But, at least in recent years, it hasn't been doing anything particularly impressive. Consider the convenience of the DAW--part of what made earlier Breakcore and Jungle interesting is the painstaking work it took: if you were like most producers, you had to chop everything up on the small LCD screen of an Akai S900/S950 or Emu IV/4/e6400, then drop that into a tracker or an archaic version of Cubase. That all took patience, dedication, and an ear. Any change you made had to be rendered. You had to sit there and wait for that machine to cook. Now, loading samples into a DAW is a breeze, everything snaps to grid, you can easily see and move every sample. I ain't knockin anyone for using a DAW. None of us would want to go back lol. But what I'm saying is that structurally and artistically, the simplicity of Breakcore in this day and age is underwhelming given the tools available. The people making the bulk of Breakcore aren't actualizing the potential of the style and the tools they have--it becomes a lazy, "oh, I wanna sound like sewerslvt", and so they drop an Amen, chop it in a standard way, plonk out some pads, throw on reverb, and people are like, "cool". And what's crazy is that OG Drumfunk producers like Paradox and Source Direct have done more than most of these modern Breakcore producers with less. So I disagree that newer music is intrinsically difficult to create or ideate. It really depends on what each artist puts in. If I heard more interesting things done with chopping, layering, phrasing, key change, modes, etc., I'd say otherwise. I think a huge problem is that social media has corrupted people's perception of what music is and what it can do. Music has become commodified as content, not expression. A lot of people aren't trying to say anything with their music--they just want to create a consumable vibe. This is where the idea of laziness comes in. There's still a lot of great stuff out there being made. Like I enjoy music that many people consider trash like Yeat or Bladee, various Vaporwave, some PC music, etc. But the things being done in modern music like this are more conceptual rather than mechanical, and at the end of the day, we just hear far less musically complex or creative stuff than what was coming out years ago. And music doesn't have to be hard to make or off-the-wall creative to be good. But when people do less with their imagination, it comes out in their works, and this leads to stale and even bland sounding matieral. Then you have someone like Rick Beato rush in. I can appreciate newer music, but I can still very much identify that we're losing things along the way--and that change is not good, but it just is.
It's awesome that videos like this are out there, letting us hear different opinions, I love that we can chat about it and not just take one person's word as law. But it kinda bums me out when people just go, "Everything he says is wrong." It's like, do you want to misunderstand him on purpose? For example, at the start when he talks about drum quantizing. He's saying that when you start doing that, it sounds like a drum machine using samples. You said, "No, it's not," but technically, it kinda is. How do you think quantizing works? Sure, it's using samples from that drummer's song, but you could just grab a Bonham drum sample pack and get the same vibe. He wasn't even saying that's a bad thing, just that it's how it is. And when you said, "Just Google how to humanize drums," I was like, seriously? I think it's a generational thing. The older generation is like, "I know where that leads, and it's not good," while the younger generation is like, "Let us do our thing; we don't care as long as it's fun." I'm kinda in between, to be honest. I get your point of view, but I also get Rick's. By the way, I checked out some of your music, and I really enjoyed it. It's got that lo-fi vibe that I'm totally here for! I bet if you and Rick had a chat, you two would get along great because a lot of the points you mentioned are important to him too.
(What follows isn't based exclusively on the original video, because the latest retread rant is likely not worth my time, but rather on an aspect of what turned me off of Beato in prior years of content...) "How do you think quantizing works?" I think it works exactly how the producer wants it to work, and if the producer is lazy or clueless then the results will reflect that. Beato seemingly never acknowledges that quantization is merely an option that doesn't have to be used at all, and assumes it's on every major label release after 2004. Worse yet, he's apparently clueless that there are far more options than 0% OFF and 100% ON. You can set a linear percentage of how much to adjust. You can select a beat division/value and introduce offsets and windows. You can choose whether to keep or introduce swing. Heck, you can even groove quantize, using timing data extracted from other performances. Beato is now famous for his lazy parlor-trick of taking a beat with slop or swing and turning it into rigid straight 8ths and telling his cult "Hear the difference? This is horrible for music!" And people will naturally be able to hear the difference for his cherry-picked sample, so then they're led to believe that it's horrible. (And yes, I have to point out that, beyond this video, he HAS time and again called it a bad thing for music.) But is it horrible? Hearing a sample in isolation is different than how it serves the greater song. In other contexts, when people hear a live human drummer playing right on the beat under the rest of the band, they'll extol the virtue of the performance as "Totally in the pocket, bro!" If it serves the track, then it serves the track. In fact, I contend that the majority of the listening public will NEVER be able to tell you if a drum track is quantized, or even that it was live or samples or a combination of both. But does it make them shake their ass? That's all that matters. So that's my problem with Beato's typical screed on quantization. It's elitist, founded in privilege, exclusionary, regressive, misleading, and ignorant of what has become state of the art in creative music production. What I suspect is at work here is that he's feeling less "special" because "kids today" can produce music that inspires and enriches people without going through all the "hard knocks" that he had to experience in learning to play and record real instruments. And I kinda get it, as a 50+ musician who plays all the rock instruments (and even some brass) and has never had a band that "made it", that those skills in and of themselves are worthy of having some pride... but it shouldn't come at the price of tearing down others for using all the tools available to them. It's not "lazy" or a "short-cut", nor does it take away from what you've accomplished. Anyway, like Beato himself, I have wandered from the initial topic of quantization! But it's always bugged me how he's oversimplified it into a "problem" that might not actually exist for 99% of the people in the world.
it is wrong to be so misguiding when he has every opportunity not to... it's like has he ever listened to any answer given during his interviews... he bailed on being a producer to do content creation and he chooses to produce video commentary attacking the very thing he has chosen not to do... his gear, the stuff that could re-revolutionize the music industry, is literally just backdrop for his videos... so he gets to be just wrong now, lol
the whole thing about quantization is so fucking stupid because you could literally apply default sixteenth note swing or triplet in any given fucking DAW even like garageband on a fucking iphone. of course it’s going to sound different. If you apply straight quantization with no swing onto a swung drum beat
Okay, first, it's not a history lesson. It's called context. Explaining the beginnings of a musical/recording/production era and then moving to the next major change and explaining the difference between the current and the previous method. Obviously, there a multitude of changes and innovations taking place in-between each new methodology, but do you really expect him to go into each one? Secondly, I hear you saying he's just going into one of his normal rants about auto tune and saying that "pitch correction and drum quantization are two different things, duh" apparently missing the point that it is electronic manipulation that produces the results in both of those methods and not that it is fixing faults after the recording, like Ol' blue eyes couldn't do in his day, but the Beatles could in theirs (context, get it?). You then go on to say that the unquantized drum loop has swing and triplets, but there's just generally swing applied on top of those triplets and that the quantized drum loop has 0% swing and is automatically going to make it worse. Again, the point being that the creativity of the artist is already there and these nuances are created while playing. And the last thing I'm going to say is that your solution to the lifeless, artificially produced 'music', the way of 'humanising' the quantized drum loop? Use Google and get some more software to do it. Which just confirms the whole point of his video. Why not, and this is just a thought, but why not just get a drummer who can play the drums satisfactorily for your piece of music? Oh yes, I forgot. Because it's easier and cheaper to use software on a laptop. Which, I believe, is the whole point of Rick's original video. To show how 'mechanical' the production of modern popular music is going. All that said, I have no issues with how music is made. I don't really object to todays music. Like I always say to other people, if you don't like certain music, stop listening to it and move on. I just think you're sort of missing the point. You might not agree with what he's saying, but I'm not sure you're critiquing the actual message of the video. Just my 10-cents worth.
Rick can't explain everything, but I think he omits things to fit his narrative. He says Frank Sinatra took a huge amount of skill to record. But what about John Lee Hooker, Jimmy Reed, Elvis Presley, Pete Seeger, The Kingston Trio, Johnny Cash, Little Richard - they were probably a lot easier to record than Frank Sinatra in the 1950s and also very popular.
Nothing meaningful in life is easy. Nothing easy in life is meaningful. When you make the difficult easy you devalue it for society and make it less financially rewarding for the people who are good at it. Technology is supposed to help us boldly go where we’ve never gone. Unfortunately, most of us have nothing to contribute but think we’re awesome anyway.
Wow, your plan to make content while trying to be insightful and funny about another guys content who actually makes interesting videos backfired. Bad video, and the few interesting talking points get lost in the shuffle of boring anime/meme mix-ins and the fact that you hide behind a terrible artwork-figure holding a guitar instead of showing your face and your true voice. Forgettable...
You know he isn't making music especially electronic music so he's just pissed because no ones giving him thousands of dollars to record at his expensive studio because no one has that kind of money except banks. He needs to make more music and release it. No guitar rick. Make an electronic track and use samples. He'll quickly learn that although we have all these tools including generative tools none of it makes it any easier to write and arrange a great song. Autotune can't turn shit into gold either. There's a huge misconception about what autotune even does. I'm no singer and realized I couldn't get myself to sound great no matter how much EQ, Compression, Reverb, Delays, even vocoders I added. which by the way are on every single vocal track it's pretty much a standard minus he vocoder.
Yeah, personally i'm a bit in the middle. I agree that quantisation + autotune shouldn't be the standard, but making music being easier is never a bad thing
that's not rick's point though? he's engaging in that ultra regressive "reject modernity, return to tradition" dead horse that conservatives _love_ to drag out, and it's especially emblematic of that when he puts blinders on to modern music which conforms to his expectations while ignoring older music which doesn't
well whatever works should be used that is true, but it has consequences. If everyone using autotune it becomes a standard and your ears adapt, which takes away from natural sounding voice. If its a good or a bad thing is for you to decide but its sure separates from the idea from music in a classical sense of "we make music in a room"
I'm sorry, but youre going in way too hot man. Why would anybody try to correct him on the pitch and quantizing differences, if not in bad faith? Like do you not think he knows that? Grasping at straws that MIGHT make him sound like he made a mistake while in the end acknowledging he didnt actually, you just made yourself sound smart for a second. Saying youre being pedantic doesnt absolve you of anything.
I don't really see the benefit of modern musicians nowadays keeping their music to themselves without it becoming exposed to the Mainstream Media. I get it they don't want to get screwed over by the record labels like what happened in the past. You have to remember that everything in life is a risk / reward proposition. Record labels nowadays are too afraid to take the risk of exposing new music that isn't formulaic to what they normally play due to economic hardship. Because taking risks equals losing money. I remember back in the early 2000's when music within the Mainstream Media would appeal to EVERYONE but now they ONLY want to appeal to younger generations. It created echo chambers for those who would end up becoming disenfranchised from the music they were listening to. IMO it's only made the music industry much worse in the last few decades with lack of good writing for lyrics and a real sense of integrity. As someone who was born in the early 80's, what happened?
Does anyone else notice that complaining about someone complaining is just as bad as the original complainer? I have no problem with how the youth make music or how old timers do it. At the end of the day, it’s people using what they have at hand to make music. Back then they had little tech and tons of manpower. Nowadays, we have little manpower, good luck finding people to work with these days, but we have tech. It’s different work whichever way you do, but it’s still work.
I like that you put out a dissenting opinion, and you made some good counterpoints. But on the whole, I don't think it overcome's Rick's well-informed argument, even on the economic/elitist angle. Just because he sounds like 'angry old man yelling at cloud', doesn't mean most of his points aren't valid.
By "well-informed" I meant he has undergrad and masters music degrees, was a university music lecturer, session musician, touring band member, credited song writer, and studio engineer and producer. (That said, I've quit watching his channel about a year ago because they started getting redundant.) You've criticized Beato for ranting in his videos - which is a fair criticism - but I feel you've done more concentrated and angrier ranting in this video, than any one of his videos that I can recall. It also seemed like it felt "personal" to you, as if he had personally slighted you somehow, or maybe like he's a proxy. I don't mean any of that as an insult, but as an attempt at constructive criticism that is ultimately just some dude's opinion - that is neither right nor wrong. I myself have 30 years of experience in local bands, as a small studio engineer and session musician for a few years early on, and as a total amateur home producer on-the-cheap during all that time. So I can empathize with your criticisms about elitism, I just think you've taken it too far, and the video FELT - to me - too angry and like you had a personal axe to grind, and took it way too far. For example, who cares about the "flexing"? I didn't see it that way and it detracted from your core message. You had some valid points, but his points were also valid. In most cases they can both be true, I felt like you were trying to set up unnecessary false dichotomies. So... whether any of that is how you really felt or what you meant, I have no idea - all I can tell you is how it came off from my personal perspective and through my inevitable life filters. I hope this helps and came off as constructive.
I love being a living indictment of the idea that "good music" has anything to do with traditional styles or physical chops. Like, I am a working multi-instrumentalist, knower of music theory, and enjoyer of bands like Pink Floyd and The Beatles, but I also love MCR and Lady Gaga because that shit is awesome. Yes, I can explain to you how Angelo Badalamenti uses a borrowed minor vii chord in Mulholland Drive's _Love Theme_ (from A minor's relative phrygian), but also I like _Puppy TF-_ because music is literally just doing cool shit and having a good time with sound... I wish folks like Rick could see how much more fun it'd be for them if they approached it this way.
Nah you're wrong. Music isn't allowed to stir you on an emotional level unless you have previously established that the artist struggled first. If a song gets you tapping your foot but was made with a computer then gosh darnit you stop that tapping right now!/s
Music is no different than anything else. In the "age of convenience", ppl want instant gratification. Yeah im an old fart, but growing up i liked stuff before my time, during my time, and some after my time. Whether autotune was the problem or not idk, but it was around that time that imo, music pretty much (ALL genres) became very forgettable. The 60s and 70s were before my time, the 80s were my time, and by mid 90s was past my time. I would trade any individual decade (60s,70s,80,90s,) for everything in the last 25 yrs. And honestly, i challenge anyone to tell me what has been made in the last 25 yrs that will be being listened to in 30,40,50 yrs from now? Music went from prime rib, to a dollar menu at mcdonalds. A 16 yo will appreciate and take care of a piece of shit car he worked a yr at a fast food place for, than he will if mom buys him a new 1. SAME WITH MUSIC.
Rick beato is a special genre of boomer who has extremely boomer opinions even for a boomer but for some reason dresses like a zoomer. Jerry Seinfeld also falls into this genre
You would have a point only if people who were born in the 2000's have the same complaints. In the past when someone said(These kids today) was only from older people saying that phase. As of now they're people who are 24 who don't like modern music or movies. This is something that has never happened in the past. Here's a couple of videos from the youth as a counter to this video to prove Rick Beato's point. The Full Stack Creative video (Music is going to zero) Ava Catherine video (Modern pop music is boring) Get back with me and give me your opinion.
Honestly, while I don't agree with Rick's video and it shows how small the "big label" industry is, and you make some very good points... well, you gotta admit that some of them are massive reaches. I mean did you hear that bit at 12:30 about Rick being racist (?) because he thinks there's too much trap stuff around... what? How did you get to that wild conclusion? Or the stuff about quantization - Rick says that quantized drums (in his interpretation - snapped to the grid) don't sound human, because dragged/rushed hits are fixed, tempo fluctuations are fixed etc. Basically the performance element, the person behind the drums, is gone. And that also causes laziness, because drummers won't practice when editing software is available. You counter that with "you can google right now 'how to humanize drums' and there you go" which basically proves Rick's point XD I get that this is a very polarizing video, and Rick's viewpoint is very weird to modern musicians, and he contradicts himself all the time, but please, don't just be angry at him for the sake of being angry. Some of your critique almost intentionally discards Rick's points and intentions, and that does not lead to fruitful discussion in any way.
i think the most important thing about rick beato, is to realise he comes from a totally different corner of the world we call music. I make electronic music but i can resonate about a lot of things he says about music, the internet, the age we live in. But, he is not really subtle when giving opinions on things music. I understand where he is coming from, and thats an important thing to remember if you are an artist now and work with a DAW and lots of software. And on the other side, its always nice if you get some revenue out of your channel. I think he doesnt need it moneywise, but then again its a nice extra side income. What i find most irritating that he sticks to a very traditional way of thinking about music, its all about music theory, chords, progressions, verse ,bridge, chorus. So in that aspect he is a bit conservative in his thinking about new things. But i still like his channel, because its totally the opposite in making and recording music from where im in.
I don't understand how and why would you find the fact that he sticks to music theory irritating, and why would chords and progressions be a conservative thing. Could you please elaborate on that?
@@Mikael26BE well maybe i didnt say it the right way. I have also played keyboard in the past and could read notes and had musical training. But what i like about electronic music, is that you can throw all of this out of the window, and come up with something new. Nowadays i find music theory or how a lot of pop and rock music was structured more creatively limiting than that it helps me. When house music got big end 80s there were a lot of people critizing it because it wasnt music that was played by people on real instruments. That certain point i find to be conservative thinking about what music is. Rick beato had an episode where he talked with tom holkenborg aka junkie XL about scoring film music, that was a really nice outstanding episode, where he also got into a bit of the electronic side. But dont get me wrong, i really like Rick's videos. For me they are refreshing in a certain way.
From this video and the recent videos I've seen of Rick Beato, he just criticizes bad popular artists like Jack Harlow and assumes everyone else is like that while ignoring the underground scene of modern music, which I argue can be and already has been better than the beatles which he so vehemently meatrides to "show those modern musicians how it's done". I believe he's out of touch and not willing to see what the new modern landscape of music has to offer. But then, that's his opinion.
"assumes everyone else is like that while ignoring the underground scene of modern music" He specifically addressed this at 5:53 in this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TU96wCDHGKM.html
Completely ignoring the fact that he did a top 10 Female Indie-Rock Artists, as well as a dedicated video to Symtom of Life by WILLOW. Rick acknowledges good modern music, he just doesn't tolerate shit.
It's a free intire drum kit that you can easily record using a single mike. Point is musicians always find a way to make sound and that even without electronics everyone has the ability to make music as the only thing you need to make music is the ability to move to create sound to expres yourself.
I feel like a few of his points had merit and he could have gone into points about how the ease of acquiring music like through spotify has basically made merch and expensive concerts as some of the only ways musicians can make money but no! he just says that "kids these days don't know what good music is". Super fucking disappointed in Rick Beato's video he COULD have said some actual stuff about some of the actually problems with the music industry but he just goes full fucking boomer!!
What's crazy is that Rick Beato is from my hometown of Rochester, NY, which is home to not one, but two enormous record stores, in addition to a dozen other, smaller ones. In fact, one of the big ones is the House of Guitars, which is literally internationally famous. There is a thriving and vibrant live music scene. We have an enormous music festival every year. This guy is fucking nuts.
I'm in a weird position with beato's video. I understand and agree with the main ideas of his video and understand his sentiment. But at the same time I watch his video and the headline "old man yells at cloud" continues to be the only thing that pops into my head. The kinds of things he thinks about trap and alot of his takes can be easily applied to basically any mainstream genre.
Great video! Dudes been on a downward trajectory for years now, but I do find it funny how it can essentially pump out the same "why new music bad" video over and over and his boomer fanbase laps it up every time. I guess you have to respect the hustle to a certain extent 😂
@@Pickleduck. Mainstream music just means it's appealing to the widest audience possible, so it's never going to be the most interesting music out there, but that applies to literally any decade of music. Right now looking at the charts where I'm from (UK) you have songs by Charlie XCX, Sabrina Carpenter, Billie Eilish, Zach Bryan, Kendrick Lamar, etc. All of whom I find far more interesting than a lot of mainstream music from Rick's time. So no, it's not all bad, even on the charts there's some pretty diverse music.
that's so real, I had a similar experience with a music teacher that couldn't even handle the idea of me using a wah in a solo. in a JAZZ BAND class. this is a big issue with older musicians that seem to think they know everything but can't accept people actually making progress
to be fair drums are pretty difficult to record. like of all instruments except like church organ it's the hardest one. but you also need the most gear and a good room so it is also expensive
Eh you honestly really don't, any professional engineer should be able to take a couple of overhead mics (and maybe one on the kick) and get a decent sound out of it, that's like a basic skill for the job. Same for making the most of the space you've got available and using tricks to make it sound better You'd think he'd be happy people are learning these production skills and getting into the art, instead he's acting like if you're not using this extremely expensive and complicated high-fidelity setup (which is hard to do properly sure) then you have no business recording music. rip to Steve Albini
@@cactustactics oh yeah totally! working with what you have and getting the most out of that is where the soul of music lives IMO. I just meant that of all the instruments drums are the hardest ones between the sound coming from multiple places and how hard it is to get the transients to translate after miking. And yeah right now there's probably more people who are recording drums than there ever have been. But Beato is apparently listening to T-pain instead.
@@SousaphoneMusic yeah I get ya, if you want that level of quality and control it's definitely more complex, and that's what the Beatos get paid the big bux to do. It's just extremely weird to me that he's acting like that's what people making their own music should be doing! Like engineers literally write helpful articles on doing a good stereo pair setup for people starting out, and Rick's being an elitist weirdo about it to... make a point? I think? Really I just wanted to encourage anyone reading this who wants to record drums, you can do it with a basic setup and get it to sound good as hell! Maybe not pristine studio quality, but with good energy and a vibe. Honestly I feel like they're easier to record than an electric guitar and have it sound great if you keep it simple, but that's more of an acoustic instruments thing I reckon
I've felt like this about Rick Beato for so long...I remember him doing a video about how Black Hole Sun by Soundgarden is more complex than Bad Guy and that proves that we're in a decadent period of no musical innovation and it's just like. Idk man, try listening to anything else? Another commenter said it already but the "old man yells at cloud" energy is strong. I genuinely think a huge part of his problem, and lots of people his age as well, is that growing up they were spoon-fed new music through the single channel, the radio, and now that we live in a media environment where you have to actually seek out things you might like in order to discover them, they're completely lost.
by far my favorite part of the video is when he presents "technology prevents innovation in music but maybe im wrong idk" as an actual point. like i dont think you should have kept that part in bro. i dont think thats a fully formed thought yet bro. might wanna let that one finish cooking
You know, the sheer number of people today who can read and write really makes the landscape for literature just unfathomably oceanic, full of just so much awful awful stuff I think the world would be a better place if learning to read and write was the sole privilege of wealthy white people Great video, I love your stuff like this :P
I also made a video about Rick's new video the other day but I focused on the comments (they're very silly). It's very rambly with minimal editing but it's there if you wanna see it. I'm not a musician at all, but every time Rick makes a new video about "new music bad" it annoys me so much. I love a lot of the same music he loves from the 60s and 70s and its the majority of what I listen to. What annoys me is Rick somehow thinks new music is far worse but his only point of reference is some Spotify playlist thats always gonna disappoint him. Like if you're gonna complain about new music at least try and seek out some good stuff that caters to your taste. Bet he would love King Gizzard or black midi but he just doesn't search for that stuff at all
oh, i might check that out! there was another comment before that mentioned he listened to John L on a livestream but then immediately skipped it... which i think is a real shame, and it makes me assume that he skipped it because he doesn't want his points about rock music being contradicted by bands like black midi. it seems really dishonest to me.
totally agree with all your points... I would have been much more harsh to Rick so thank you... I have been critical of him ever since his video of his 'live' return from talking to the senate about publishing rights on you tube where he was also just wrong and misguiding on a chance to really do some good... aggressive interviewer too. I hope he pays the editor well but honestly prbly doesn't... thanks again, subscribed!
this entire thing felt like him trying to rationalize his own inabilty to learn digital production and non existant streaming numbers (among other issues)
Music should be as easy to make as possible. New technologies of today and tomorrow will lead to not only new genres of musical genres, but entire NEW FORMS OF ART. Rick and so many of his fans would have been the ones complaining about all those new "electrical instruments"; "an ELECTRIC guitar?! That's not music!"
damn, I honestly didn't know that other people noticed Rick Beato was so strange and annoying and elitist. it's so relieving to see someone talk about the issues in his videos. huge thanks to you for making this
The reason he skipped those years is because the video isn’t about drum recording, it’s about innovations that made making Music much easier. He could have mentioned sequencers and MIDI though.
Rick has the boomer mindset of “I had to work so much harder to make decent sounding music” and now that the barrier of entry has been massively lowered over the last few decades, so now if you aren’t spending thousands of dollars and using a huge studio, you’re wrong :3333 very cool, Rick!! (Also v good video, 24:42 had me in TEARS lmaooooo)
I understand what Rick is trying to get at, but he makes it seem like it's a new thing when it's not. He believes that most people cared more about music before, but that is simply incorrect. Pop music exists to satisfy the casual music listener. Most people are casual music listeners who do not care so much about music. Rick somehow fails to see that this was always the case. The only argument he could use is that technology has (possibly) made this fact more apparent by giving the casual listener easier access to music that they would not have listened to at all otherwise. Either way, technology is still a net positive.
Folks always complain about Music These Days. Beato CAN'T be so ignorant of music history that he doesn't know people made almost the exact same criticisms of the Beatles and Zep... can he? 🤔
Cats Duet, made in the 1500s, was a rant about the over use of Soprono and Castrono singers which existed up until recordings of blues music by black singers.
The lazy always resent those that work hard and are respected. The enemy of art is the absence of limitations. Technology reduces limitations. This has always been the argument of the immature and resentful. Believing that you are working hard doesn’t mean that you necessarily ARE working hard.
Honestly I don't want to throw any shade Rick's way; but from what I can tell, he knows that the music boombers can get dumb and biased when it comes to their takes on modern music. Rick now tries his best not to be like them but despite this, goes down the same rabbit hole all the boomers go down... This is because, they all have one thing in common; a spite for the way things are now.
@@pressspacetostopI just get so wet every time he talks about his drum mics. I think this is the 18th video he’s talked about his drum mics. Every time I just fucking PISS my PANTIES because he’s so smart and rich
@@gauloise6442 they are two different things, yeah. that's why I pointed it out! spending hours in a DAW editing and correcting mistakes isn't "easy" or "lazy", but it sure makes it possible for more people to create music despite their limitations. this is, apparently, bad
I mostly agree with you that the first part of his video is mostly BS. I don't think the quality of musicianship has gone down. Actually, it has probably gone up over time. Today you can find a random bedroom guitarist who easily outplays old "guitar heroes" like Jimmy Page. Technically amazing musicians that are doing things that would have been unimaginable 50 years ago are everywhere. It would be weird to claim that today's musicians couldn't record things on a single take. Actually, I think they are way more capable of doing that than a lot of older musicians, especially when it comes to more technically challenging stuff. While I do agree that easier access to recording technology is generally a good thing, I do also see Rick's points about the downsides. When editing the performance is so easy, it also easily leads to removing the "human aspect" from the performance. I don't think it needs to be an "either or" question. I don't think Rick is arguing that we should get rid of all of the technology. He's just talking about the downsides of it. And yes, I agree, some of his arguments are total BS. When it comes to the second part of the video (about easy access to music devaluing it), I think Rick is correct. And you also said that you actually agreed with a lot of his points, so I don't see why you need to make it sound like he's trying to make some other point - it kind of sounds like you are trying to disagree with him for the sake of disagreeing. I don't think Rick's point is that streaming services are this evil thing and we should intentionally try to make music difficult to access. His point is that the streaming services easily lead to a specific way of listening to music that is different form the "old way". Of course you can still listen to music in the "old way" if you decide to do so. But the point is, this is a conscious decision you need to make - the streaming service naturally discourages this way of listening to music. I think the very end of Rick's video summarizes the point he was trying to make - he recommends people to try listening to music in the "old way". This doesn't mean getting rid of streaming services. It means using them in moderation and actually taking the time to appreciate what you listen to. Again, there are upsides and downsides to modern technology. Pointing out the downsides doesn't mean we should go back in time and get rid of all of the technology. It simply means that there were certain good things about the way things used to be. We cannot go back in time, but we can still learn from the old ways. Again, I agree that the first part of his video was bad. But in the second part you are responding to a lot of claims that Rick didn't actually make. You are making a lot of assumptions about what he supposedly means with his claims. One more point. I had to watch the video at 2x speed. When played at normal speed, I felt like you were pausing the video way too much and making too long responses to arguments that he hadn't yet even made. It just felt insufferable. I guess my point is, maybe let Rick speak more before pausing the video, and only respond to the actual arguments he makes, and the video would be a lot more enjoyable to watch.
6:52 exactly. again. whos the lazy one rick? you with your 19 mics on a drum set or the indie musician who has to make a drum set sound good going into a focusrite 2i2 I think a two year old could tell you the answer
It's definitely a lot of work to mic every drum and then deal with all the phase issues and mix it all into something that actually sounds good, he's just mad that it's a service he provides which ain't in demand so much anymore, and people don't expect to hear that style of production in all the music they like. Never mind that recording drums with a stereo pair (or hell even one mic) is a thing engineers have done for decades, and DIY musicians are just running that on hard mode wonder which of these things is closer to Frank Sinatra-era recording setups, hmmmm
What you are saying proves and validates Ricks point, about how Sinatra didnt have all the tech and just had to get up there and do it right the first time. Tech and the 19 mics are ruining a lot of skilled musicianship and the organic, surprising, alchemic nature of having everyone play/sing together at the same time. Creativity is often a solution to a lack. But there is very little lack now due to all the technology figuring it out for us, but the tech figures it out in very unartistic, inhuman ways.
@@gauloise6442 frank sinatra wasnt making his own albums in ableton live. he wasnt even writing original fucking songs 90% of the time, you ablsolute bafoon
This guy is such a tool conservatism is incompatible with good or at least innovative musicianship I saw his video on Gunna’s fukumean and it was so racist He was complaining that the guitar was too simple and gunna’s vocal melody was simple as if melodic complexity is what is prioritized in trap at all or as if he has any authority to comment it’s just ridiculous
Just a terrible video. You come off as incredibly smug, there seems to be no real structure you just played the video and started commentating. Did you even write a script? Also why not explain what he leaves out? All the innovations in music production in the 70s and 80s and so on.
this video was primarily unscripted because it's a style parody/homage to Patricia Taxxon's rants (as evidenced by the description and one of her videos playing in the top right). i felt like doing a commentary style video was the best way to share my thoughts on Rick's video before my mind would move on to other things. i did write down several notes for it and redid takes of the recording when i felt like i wasn't making my point thoroughly enough. there's several other response videos to his content by people like Patricia or 12tone if a scripted video is more your thing; i might do one in the future since i have much more criticisms to make which i only thought of after the video was already published. anyways, my commentary isn't supposed to fill in the gaps of Rick's video. i was trying to illustrate the point that Rick cherrypicks examples to fuel his agenda by talking about Frank Sinatra and the Beatles and skipping over a lot of recording tech developments that directly contradict his points about music recording being more skillful back in those days. it's not a history lesson at all, which is why i had no intention of playing along with that framing and complete the history lesson for him. i think that framing is disingenuous and my aim here was trying to expose that rather than entertaining the idea of it.
great video i like watching some of rick's stuff but this video (and all the takes in it which he says all the time) are horrible and have been in the back of my mind for the past week
I'm legit embarrassed for so many of the people my age who think crap like this. Did you forget all the promises you made to yourself about not getting lame when you grew up?
@@OrgaNik_Music actually just yesterday i just finished up making music patterns on openmpt with samples and it sounds pretty alright even if its kinda bad, im just glad i got something done for once and i want to make more music :D you shouldn't really be too concerned about how "good" your creation will end up. just try to finish the product and look back at it and fix it to your liking so you can be like yea, its a banger
As tech innovates, the music gets easier & therefor worser. That is why the Beatles suck compared to Frank Sinatra. Nothing has been very good since. Hendrix kinda sucked. If he had to hand break his elec guitar signal by hand then he'd have done better music, but using a pedal for the guitar sound makes it too easy, & too easy means bad music. All down hill. By tthe time Pink Floyd came around, with all that technology they were using, god that music was bad. u cna only imagine how terrible the 90s music was. Only people with the good money should have the right to make music using the harder methods. I bought a midi chord pack, & I just played a few buttons & then I had a million streams on my whole album in 2 days. Just buy a chord pack, & it does it all for u, it's just too easy now. I get a guitar, plug it into the best amp, just pluck a string & there's an emotionally compelling tone just like that. It makes it too easy. Using a guitar makes it too easy, so the music isn't good. Difficult is singing while playing a piano on a pickup truck bed facing the wind. Therefore it's the best music. Also Prince had way too much quantity of music. That's why people are always saying how much Prince sucked. Seriously tho, I can't believe I missed Pavement when they were contemporary, but becuz of streaming I was able to hear all their stuff recently & I love them. Even tho I didn't climb a mountain both ways to buy a record store at the vinyl shop. And when I ended up living on the street & no way I kept anything, well now I didnt' lose access to all the music i liten to. Becuz it's streamable. Beato has extremely middle class views.
