Legendary. Rick Rubin's ability to articulate the creative process and understand how different artists work differently is undoubtedly one of the super skills he's mastered
Rick Rubin literally sits in a room and does nothing. He doesn't know how to mix, doesn't know how to master. Can't play instruments. He's literally useless.
@@Stix_Zidinia you've never dealt with producers i bet 😆 if you think he's useless you gotta see him in a different light. He is like a guarantee that the artist/band will create something and deliver to the labels so they don't think they're losing money on the album. Producers meddle/ influence the songs/ albums but he gives them more freedom unlike other producers without sacrificing artistic integrity at the same time. That's his style, he lets you do you, he guides you he doesn't directs you towards a finished song/album. He's there to keep you flowing and not get blocked from creating... he's encouraging you to create and not stop if he's there. That's what I've seen from him and the videos ive seen, that slipknot opinion of him was funny but i get where Rick comes from. I've seen a producer record before, some mess with the vision or change the sound for better or worse.
@@Stix_Zidinia He came up with the riff for "99 Problems" and just gave it to Jay-Z. This is just the one thing I knew about him before watching this video. I'm not 100% sure why you're disparaging him, but I think I have a feeling I might know the reason
Yeah, one thing that he forgot to add is that he’s constantly creating concepts in his mind throughout the day and when he hears a beat he pieces together the concepts and fills in the blanks. So it doesn’t just come completely out of the blue. It’s still genius though when you consider how complex so many of his verses are. Some of his rhyme schemes, wordplay and double/triple entendres are outrageous. To do that without writing anything down is otherworldly. Apparently he used to write but he was spending so much time in the streets hustling that he never had time to write so he started doing it in his head.
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Except for the fact the Ice-T wrote 99 problems and Jay-Z took it and published it. No credit was given. Jay-Z is the most over hyped fool I’ve ever seen. Has it in his head because he stole it. I have no idea why he shot to fame when biggie died
Rick is one of those guys you could listen to all day long. The genius in his creative process and then just hanging out with a plethora of creative genuises.
lowkey one of Joe's biggest interviews. Rick is so humble and behind the scenes you'd never know. this dude's produced music for THE BEST talent, period.
Nas has a song (I think it's "Book of Rhymes" from God's Son) where the narrative of the song is him going through notebooks of rap verses or parts of rap verses that he never used in albums and rapping them in the song. It's a cool track.
As a big Chili Peppers fan, it makes a lot of sense hearing about Anthony's writing process. Each phrase always sounds like a separate thought than the previous. I would think to myself there's no way he writes each verse in chronological order because they're all so sporadic and seem to have nothing to do with the previous one. It makes much more sense hearing that he'll re-arrange phrases for where they sit best in the song.
I’m a longtime Chillis fan and for me the last two albums suck largely due to AKs repetitive melodies and lack of singing ability. How anyone can call My Cigarette creative truly baffles me. 😅
What made Rick Rubin so special was his ability to portray the artist at their best, without ever acknowleging his own part. He was so behind the artist with his work and not himself, that you never knew he was the initial creator of some of your favorite songs. If you read the list of albums he has delivered on, its mind blowing. Classic album after classic album. His greatness is that most people have no idea who he is. Thats what a great music producer is.
Lol. No can do that. Jay-Z writes a bunch in private. He doesn't know much outside his own music, so he has plenty of memory space. He then sells it to rubes like Rick Rubin as though he is coming up with it on the spot. The rube then mythologises the guy on shows like JRE.
@@kazman_6899 - He doesn't know much outside his music? Nevermind his billion dollar business empire.. I'm not even the biggest Jay fan - but damn, ya'll some haters 🤣
@@grimmbilly9263 yeah . Without Rick their trajectory would be totally different. Under the Bridge wouldnt Have been written and that’s the song that blew them up to mainstream levels of success
@@dominictrupiano anyone who like System of a Down has horrible taste in music Point Blank That's it that was what I was trying to say and it's a fact they suck man
@@rastavillain9185 the actual mixing is really not that hard to learn, it’s a craft. What rubin has is the ability to formulate the tone and soundscape of an album based on what the artist is trying to go for. This is way harder to cultivate and in extension way harder to find as a service that can be offered by a producer. Anyone can learn their way around sound boards especially these days, given the technology. What Rubin brings to the table though, very few can offer to the level he can, that too across genres.
@@T.Maximus that was because he had that as filler during the demo tapes before he had lyrics wirtten and i think flea's daughter liked the gibberish so they kept it
It really is a shame that recording studio sessions aren't filmed a lot more. I'd love to see the process of entire songs and albums being made. Like, imagine if there was footage of the full recording sessions for The Marshall Mathers LP or GKMC. It's an important part of music history that just isn't being preserved.
I feel that the documentary style filming of albums or other events has to be recognized early on by the artist to be done successfully. Albums like GKMC and Marshall Mathers EP are genius, but those are the first albums from two GOATS, how were they supposed to know how it would be received by the people? Albums like Jay-Z's The Black Album is different because he "knew" that'd be his "last" album, so he recorded the process.
Did you see the Rick Rubin documentary a couple years back? A lot of behind the scenes recording showing the process as well as the fires that hit the area.
As soon as Rick mentioned that writing music is like a dream that comes from the subconscious, it must have took everything in Joe's power to not mention DMT.
Joe rogan comment sections are just a long series of people going for the low hanging fruit. So annoying, every fucking video.... so many interesting conversations then you go to the comment section and find a BUNCH of idiots
Rick Rubin is a living legend. I’m an audio engineer that has been lucky enough to work with some charting artists and he described the process perfectly of how some artists will hum or try to shape the melody/flow/feel and then flesh it out. I think of it almost like having a puzzle where the edges/border is done and then you start placing the more intricate pieces to finish it.
What a great conversation! I love hearing Rick talk, he has a warm soothing voice- great conversationalist- his perspective on things is very fascinating JR hit this out of the park! Looking forward to hearing these two chat again! 🙌🙌
Every time I open up the JRE and it's some genius or legend or damn interesting person like this, my heart skips a beat. I know we're getting 2/3 hours of pure conversation. Beyond anything else television or mainstream producers could possibly give us, and worth every penny for Spotify.
I couldn't handle the fact that Joe decided to talk about comedy in the first 50 minutes of the podcast. It was so incredibly frustrating. You have Rick Rubin on and you bring up comedy.
I've always struggled to explain the idea that sometimes I don't know what a song I write is about, or what it's really about, until much after it's finished. Hearing him describe it like a "dream" in that way finally clicked in my head what the feeling is. Perfect explanation that was amazing haha
@@daporkoil1 I thought he was around during the early Run DMC and Def Jam days? That's why I thought he was a architect. I'm not trying to spread false info.
@@daporkoil1 you don't know anything. Rick rubin founded def jam records in his dorm room at new York university. He and the beastie boys use to throw wild parties in the dorm. The first act Rick signed to his label was tla rock and jazzy Jay "it's yours", then he got the beastie boys to join, and then ll cool j. Rick was the man behind the scene with Russell Simmons and they produced those classic ll cool j, beastie boys, and public enemy albums. So yes, Rick rubin was a pioneer of 80s hip hop.
I don't know why everyone is so astonished at people's creative process I could come up with a rhyme just completely off the top of my head here we go here we go there was an old lady from Kalamazoo she could never fit into a shoe oh yeah this is easy I don't see what the big deal is
@@arlen9190 now do it for 26 years with 13+ albums almost each debuting #1 with avg 15 tracks/album & your coming up with stuff on top of your head that is better than 95% of the guest on the same track but they're writing & taking more time (and they're considered legends as well) 💀💀💀 there's LEVELS TO THIS no wonder u don't get it
Jay-Z used to go from NY to NJ on the train, and he would have things to write his lyrics on during the train ride. He started to have so much to write that he ran out of things to write on, so he would just practice remembering sentences at a time, to the point where he scrapped writing it down and would just remember everything. That was the start of his process.
@@JS-hn5ld no the blueprint was more about showing how his rap career and business mogul side had met at the top and for anyone trying to take his place on the top he had already laid out the theoretical “blueprint” for up and comers through his music and way of life. “The blueprint” was his way of saying study what I did and you’ll unequivocally understand how I got here and how you could do it to.
he's definitely the master of minimal yet game-changing input. for example the soundtrack he put together for Less Than Zero, something no one else would be daring to do back in 1987. combining Roy Orbison, Public Enemy, Slayer and The Bangles is the ultimate definition of eclecticism and while still being a bit messy, it already shows what he'll be up to in the future
Jay-Z is Not from this planet! How! Is it possible to make some of THE most iconic Lyrics on the fly?!?! That's astonishing! What an awesome interview! Rick Rubin is THE GOAT!
When you realize that most of your fav. albums, no matter which genre, were produced by Rick Rubin... What he did with Johnny Cash and his "American Recordings" series is beyond epic.
This the testimony to the magic of song writers/musicians. I come from a very musically intuitive family...and sadly it skipped a generation with me. So I totally admire and appreciate the mental geometry of these artists. Rick's talent is just as mystical....and he seems to handle tapestry very well.....soft spoken....sincere...and gracious. Music is a language that is universal and a bit humbling......a big THANKS to all these special beings. Love the channel.
Everyone's definition of deep is different because of their perspective of the word. Lupe "deep" is his message. Eminem's "deep" is the 2-3 meanings within the couple of sentences he puts down. Both amazing writers, but when it comes down to it, Lupe doesn't hold a candle to Eminem. He even said that himself. 🫡
@@Godzgeneral07 gtfoh show me where Lupe said that. I already know who I'm talking to so I won't debate you on hip hop you probably only listen to Eminem. Eminem isn't top 5, top 10 yes but I get at least 5-6 ppl ranked ahead of the white boy from Detroit. Eminem ain't better than any of the goats that's Jay Nas Big & Pac. Don't even mention his name with any I just named. I won't even reply to Hov & Nas hate. Show me you're a casual when it comes to my culture.
@@o2kcrPac isn’t a top 10 rapper. Maybe he’s the most overrated ever. He couldn’t touch Biggie, Nas, Kendrick, Andre 3000, Earl, and plenty more. I’ll never understand the Pac love.
Rick Rubin and Russell started the first rap label. This dudes a living legend. Jay said it himself. “Y’all record I RECALL cuz I really been their before”. Em is a samurai who’s constantly sharpening his sword so he can decapitate you when he needs to.
@@crackheadbiden7269 Dont forget a lil metal band called Slayer, which is even more nuts that one of the biggest hip hop labels of all time had and produced one of the big 4 of metal and some of the more respected metal albums of all time.
Jay Z and Lil Wayne are the most impressive *major* recording rap artists in the modern hiphop history. Wayne specifically fascinates me because on the cover he comes off as an airhead, frankly speaking. But then you learn about his recording style and realize that one of his simple, borderline stupid lines in a song, is not only a triple entendre but also a call back to multiple previous lines. As someone that personally absolutely sucks at poetry, I have an immense amount of respect for people who can use their words like that.
As someone who goes through a similar process in mathematics-related problem solving... There seems to be a lot more at play under the conscious level that people like Jay Z and Anthony Kiedis are tapping in to. A wholesome description is lacking, but my best way of phrasing it is that when faced with a complex problem or sense of expression the creative or computational genius (in the old Latin meaning) comes to the forefront and presents itself. While we can maybe think of five to seven solutions at the conscious level there seems to be an order of magnitude more solutions/expressions that are boiling underneath the surface and few are lucky enough to have those come to the forefront and reach the conscious.
Also Jay Z explained how he came to be able to do that. He would have rhymes in his head back from his time spent dealing and he wouldn’t have anything to write his rhymes down on so he just started to memorize them and that led to him just making up things entirely in his head.
I think JayZ spent more years Not Dealing than dealing. Almost to the point of why even bring it up anymore? 30/40 yrs ago let it go. His writing process is much more interesting topic, lol 🤷♂️😅
@@horatioh2020 ? That’s not even my opinion or me bringing up a whatever. That’s actually Jay’s own explanation. He’s not ashamed of his past. No one else should be either. So there’s not really a problem bringing it up.
Its just so incredible that today people kinda let Jay's wealth overshadow his rap career, when he is an absolute genius behind performing and writing. It's actually crazy how talented he was/is and how much he achieved all around.
I doubt he does any mixing or mastering either. He's just a guru guiding these bands and musicians. He probably knowa what to do to get the best out of them.
A living legend here. Rubin is responsible for so many of our favorite songs an artists and most don't even know his name. It'll be a sad day the day this one goes.
I really like this interview. What Rick describes here about putting a song/lyrics together like a puzzle, and not necessarily knowing what it means until the song is done - or even until years after (because it comes from the subconscious) is exactly how I've been writing my poetry over the years. I also take a similar approach to my songwriting (hobbyist producer). I would just get an inspiration, put pen to paper and let it flow - sometimes a piece of me would interject and say "no, you need to have that word here, it needs to be *this* way" even if the word was something that didn't really make sense at the time. I would often have some idea of its meaning to me once it was finished, but now even years after I go through some of them and find that they relate to my life, Self or understanding in an overarching way that I never would have been able to piece together at the time I wrote them. It's cool to hear the process wasn't unique and is something that other, even world-famous, artists use in constructing things the way they do.
@@jaredmello I like some of what Jordan Peterson says, and though I can agree that the quote you shared certainly applies much of the time I wouldn't say all of the time - at least not insomuch as where the two intersect in favor of.... Wow, you know I suppose it is true - though not necessarily with negative connotations. Any art created with an intended outcome *is* propaganda, even if it is propaganda by the artists with a purpose to create a positive reaction - it is still propaganda. No escaping that one without mincing words I think. Thanks for the (shared) insight.
@@jaredmello 🍻 Love your username btw. Radical responsibility, radical self-respect and unconditional self-love are the stuff dreams are made of. Truly. Salud!
Seeing this, i agree 100%, some things are said out of opinion, but the things rick rubin says are the way of nature, and yeah its magic when you hear a beat and start flowing with a rhythm or a rhythm with words attached along it feels great
Irony is RHCP could survive replacing any other member. Anthony's lyrics fit perfectly with the vibe even if all he's saying is ding dang dong. He's also pitchy live, but sounds phenomenal in the studio cuts. It's funk /rock band...
Every creative person's writing process is different but the Keidas type of piecing together the puzzle with high points is probably the most common for screenwriters, novelists, songwriters, etc.
I always was waiting for Kiedis to be on the show, not because I am a super big fan or particularly interested in what he has to say, just because Joe Rogan and Anthony Kiedis in one room would be the ultimate meetup of "California Dudes".
I know where he is from. Doesn't change that all his mannerisms, his way of talking, his personality and so on are cliché old school Californian. He is like a Red Hot Chili Pepper song turned flesh, which is why I would like to hear him talk to Kiedis. The only thing missing is that he doesn't surf.
Little known fact that Kiedis is actually was actually born in Seoul to North Korean defectors. They were hunted down by the state and gave Kiedis up for adoption before they disappeared without a trace. This backstory was the inspiration for the song ‘Hump de Bump’
As a musician I love listening to Joe talk about music.. its like being able to listen to all the fans who don't know the in's and outs of music..just pure fan boy stuff .. love it
Ya man this is a amzing 5 minutes to watch. Any real music artist who writes or raps needs to watch this guy in the Grey Beard shout out Mr Rubi. Thanks for the amazing story’s and the knowledge you just shared.
I have always wonder about the different creative processes, Rick explained it really well. I could never really get my head around artists that don't go in without a plan lyrically, but work something up in the moment. That Chili peppers example is probably what I always thought about them as their lyrics always seemed so random, because they are.
When I am writing, I use the 'none sense words' method, to get started. The hardest part is finding a group of people to work with, who I feel comfortable around, during that creative process. After the song is already written, it's easy to show it to anyone. It's that awkward, creative, beginning, that has vulnerability, that is difficult to share. When you find people who can not only respect that early process, but also, are able to contribute to it, then you have found your band!
These creative tips for composing by jamming, using what comes out of the unconscous part of your brain and how well he explaines it - that is gold to me.
came here from the SYOD clip, i wont listen to people talk about music but when i hear rick rubin talk about music i listen, no one has been around the diverse amount of talent as rick rubin
This man is one of the most important personalities in music. I don't think anybody else has been involved in the making of the biggest musical acts of 3 different genres
Rick is one of a kind. He is the man for a whole generation. EVERYONE one of us. Amazing. The BIGGEST music stars. Plain and simple he is the music god
Nothing in this world fascinates me more than the songwriting process... I've never been able to crack the code myself, and it seems like there are infinite ways to go about it... so cool
