Roasting your Star Wars fan theories 

You can't bully me, Mara Jade>Darth Talon, no matter what you or Lucas might say about it.

I always thought Luke was choking them mainly because in the original Lego Star Wars games Luke could force choke the gamorrean guards while other Jedi couldn’t

Darth Bane, explicitly: Man, having all these super ego power hungry maniacs around is a recipe for disaster, better do something to limit that so the Sith don't kill themselves off. Everybody: OK, but what if it was all a super secret plot to gain power.

Even as a kid I thought Luke used a Force choke on the guards. It was there to show that Luke was teetering on the edge, and could slip to the Dark Side if pushed just a little further . . . and Palpatine give that push. But Luke realized what was happening and rejected the Dark Side in the end.

The Gamorreans put their hands up by their throat, they fall back in obvious distress... Also, the novelization is a tad more explicit: "Luke raised his hand and pointed at the guards. Before either could draw a weapon, they were both clutching their own throats, choking, gasping. They fell to their knees. Luke lowered his hand and walked on. The guards, suddenly able to breathe again, slumped to the sand-drifted steps. They didn’t follow." So yeah, he choked them out.

Luke absolutely choked the Gamorrean guards. They grab their throats and make gurgling/choking sounds. I never even knew that was a debate, it's so obvious.

"Fear isn't something you intentionally use and rely on..." Sinestro has entered the chat.

Vergere technically didn’t say the dark side didn’t exist; that was something later authors put in because they didn’t understand what Matthew Stover was trying to say. Her words to Jacen were, “ The only dark side you need fear, Jacen Solo, is the one in your own heart.” In other words, it isn’t the dark side that makes a person fall; it’s their own choices, their own weaknesses. That it is possible for someone who is in absolute control of themselves to use the dark side without doing evil; that darkness is not evil, because evil is a choice made, while darkness is part of nature. That it isn’t the dark side that makes you evil, but what you choose to do. Vergere was always big on choice and free will. She thought that the nature of the Force was subordinate to the choices of its wielders, and that what you chose to do mattered more than what label you did them under. There’s wisdom to be found in that, even if you don’t agree with her.

My fan theory/headcannon: Ship (especially capitol ship) reactors/ shields create interference/ "white noise" and can somewhat act as soft jammers. This makes sensing and communicating more difficult, especially for larger, more shielded ships. This is why it seems like everything is visual and most capitol ships have exposed bridges - it's like a giant antenna.

One fan theory I'd heard was the entire Star Wars saga was just R2D2's rendition of history. Explains why he's so prominent in it.

I think the docking of the light cruisers to the ISD would be for quickly moving troops from one vessel to another, either to deploy those troops on a different planet or on a different part of the planet that they are at/heading towards

Fan Theory time. The Empire's biggest problem was not being sure the Death Star was OSHA compliant with secure grating over all exhaust ports. The biggest issue with the First Order Fleet was that the Supremacy and attendant fleet did not combine to form a Dark-Side Voltron.

"the gamorreans were crossing their arms to let luke pass" what! Don't wanna end up choking on something next to you in a restaurant if you don't recognize the universal sign for choking. I might buy that luke is mind-tricking the gammoreans into thinking they're choking rather than actually using the force to squeeze their throats shut but you have to use occam's razor here. Which requires you to also not buy into the thought process that you can only unlock force choke unless you've traveled four levels down the dark side tree.

I love how the video says "roast" but Eck just basically gently disagrees.

the name Skywalker should be used more in the expanded content to denote a generic last name like Smith or Walker to make it less obvious that Luke Skywalker would be the son of Anakin Skywalker

As long as it is unabridged you can never go wrong with Timothy Zahn

I think it is perfectly fine for luke to have force choked the gammorians. It is a set up for the later scene, in which he looks at his own prosthetic hand, then at vaders severed prosthetic, and decides to take a different route. He course corrects in that moment. Vader and Palpatine would have gone to all the effort to turn him because they sensed darkness. In the moment luke refuses the darkness within him, and throws down his weapon, Palpatine is visibly angry. The darkness he sense was gone. The choice to remain in the light made. I think that makes the scene stronger.

Fan theory? The entire Star Wars franchise is a series of programs in the Enterprise D holodeck!

If the EU/legends were the stories Rey grew up hearing, then wouldn't Han saying "it's true, all of it" make them canon again? 🤔

I totally always figured Luke either Force choked those guys long enough to get by them, or just mind-tricked them into *thinking* they were being strangled, to much the same effect. Seems pretty clear he didn't really hurt em, though.

*sees thumbnail* No, she's the stories Luke hates in Shadows of Mindoor

I don't really understand sometimes why something is considered to be a "Dark-Side Power." Things like force choke just seem like extensions of the normal force telekinesis. One that is just focused on the neck. It is dark side in that it is a cruel and, well, dark thing to do, but not that it is something that is inherently "Dark-Side." I understand things like force lightning being exclusively dark side as it is clearly a distinct power that does not seem to relate to any other more common force power. However, things like the various mental powers that are used by dark side users seem to be the same as a Jedi mind trick, but more specific or more powerful. Like, light side users could use some of these abilities but don't, not because they can't due to some rule of the Force, but instead because they are against their ethos and morals. For example, when the Jedi are interrogating Cad Bane, that seems like that would be using the dark side of the force, but is never directly called out as such.

Kyle Katarn said, in Jedi knight, jedi accademy, that "the Force is not inherently good or evil, it's how you use it", or something like that. i kinda liked it.

Force lightning theory: Force user moves the electrons within the molecules of the air so quickly which creates electric currents.

This could absolutely not be the case, but I think the Rule of Two theories, especially Bane's idea about the Force being a limited amount of water, stem from the storytelling trope of the "conservation of ninjitsu" where the more villains a hero has to face, the weaker those individual villains are, while the fewer villains, the more powerful they are, in total both equaling the same amount of total power. Thus two Sith Lords (few) have the same power as hundreds of Jedi (many). It's a storytelling idea to make it more believable that the hero could win or, in this case, that the heroes hadn't won yet. Overly Sarcastic Productions has a trope talk about it.

I thought Luke used force choke against the guards , but as a kid, I just saw his entrance as a badass who's learned the ways of the force, not connecting Force Choke with the Dark side (also since Ahsoka and some Jedi younglings used it in the CW) but more as a faster, less risky and more efficient ability to use than mind control

That was 100% a force choke. How they stagger backwards. That's no mind trick. And Luke is just so awesome he doesn't need to close his fingers like Vader does

Regardless of intent of the writing or anything else, the actors portraying those Gamorrean guards were absolutely acting as if they were being force choked.

"the legends are the history that Rey grew UP with" wrong,the sequels are actually a dream that Luke skywalker had

If it's ok for Luke to kill dudes and not be dark side then it's ok for him to choke a couple guards for a few seconds.

My take on the Holdo maneuver was that the first order ship wouldn't have had the mass to pull the resistance ship out of hyperspace and a non relativistic collision wouldn't have seriously damaged the former. What happened was a million to one desperate gamble (kind of like a torpedo in a thermal vent), that paid off because the smaller ship reached relativistic speeds before the impact but hadn't yet left real space.

Han said that Starkiller base had some kind of shield that stopped anything slower than hyperspace going through. Isn't it possible that Supremacy's shield had that same tech? I mean, isn't it possible that the First Order's shields didn't work because of this? I am not a sequel fan, but this has been rounding my head a long time.

Theory regarding Darth Vader’s Breathing: If he breathes slowly, Vader is in control If he breathes fast, there is a conflict If his breathing is broken, Anakin has a chance to redeem, as Vader is defeated.

I dont mind the idea of time travel being the reason for the legends/canon split. Possibly someone in Legends from 0 Bby traveling back as far as canon goes to change the future, but the force activly tries to heal the timeline. This is why the closer you get to 0 bby the closer the two timelines become.

My theory: The will of the Force and a person's sensitivity/attunement to the force are both factors that, when working synergistically, produce the most impactful results. Example 1: A very force attuned individual doing the direct will of the force: Luke/Anakin creating the massive changes in the galaxy that bring the force into balance. Example 2: A not force attuned individual doing the direct will of the force: Basically everything in Rouge One. The force was working through these individuals, but once they had completed their job, they pretty much immediately died. Also Han Solo, pretty much constantly. Example 3: A group of very force attuned individuals not doing the direct will of the force: Pretty much the entire jedi order in the prequels, or in the Kotor era for that matter. Large groups of jedi are never as effective as a small group with like 1 jedi on a mission. Even Yoda, despite his extreme force sensitivity, failed to accomplish much of anything directly throughout the series.

Regarding the Gamorians, in one of the EU Thrawn books, Luke makes mention of that and states that it was a mind trick to make them think they were. He also said he felt bad about that and wondered if that was using the dark side of the force.

Just call it #EckRoasts... Simple and communicates the video content

Denying the fact that Luke was force choking the guards is definitely a hot take using some mental gymnastics. He was clearly using choke, they were staggering back in pain. The point about crossing their arms as a sign of submission is pretty outlandish. And for what it's worth, how many times have alien species been shown being force choked vs humans? Oh, same goes for the missing sound effect... there were plenty of mess ups during the OT. One that comes to mind is the "Tector" SD all because the ISD model was used upside down or whatever in the shot. The black outfit was meant to illustrate his darker methods/outlook (just as he started in white in anh, grey in esb, black in rotj). The OT is full of this basic level symbolism, look at Luke in the throne room battle where his face is half dark & half light as another example. This particular roast felt like a huge reach to me.

I kinda like the idea that the creation of snoke coincided with the births of Ray and kilo and they only had the dyad thing because the force was trying to create a light against snokes darkness. Idk if that works but I like it.

I remember that "theory" regarding SW humans coming from the Milky Way, and while I don't remember the name of it, I'd go further and say it probably belongs in the EU somewhere (perhaps not as canon). It tried connecting Star Wars to THX-1138, which was an earlier George Lucas film from 1971. In it, some humans managed to escape the dystopian regime that existed on the future Earth of the movie and somehow accidentally were transported to the Star Wars universe. Upon doing so they were immediately enslaved by a buglike race of aliens, and as I recall the first instance of a human using the force ended up helping them escape that planet. He dies in the process, but the other humans name him and his descendants "Skywalker" as an eternal commemoration of his deeds. It's sort of just merging THX-1138 and Star Wars with a sort of Exodus story, but I like it. I forget who made it, but I was sure that it came from an author in the early days of Star Wars writing rather than being a random internet theory. Correct me if I'm wrong on that though. If anyone has a link to it at least, I'd appreciate it.

Eck, I don’t get why him using a mindtrick is any less dark side than force choking them outright. If he was mindtricking them into being force choked, he violated their minds to inflict suffering. Luke could have used a mindtrick to tell them to let him pass in peace, no torture be necessary. But no, he went out of his way to make them suffer. That’s just as Dark Side as force choking them outright, imo, when he could have done it much more ethically. I emailed you yesterday about this for Tapcaf, curious to hear your response ;)

Here's one I've seen floating around; Ahsoka being alive in the Mandalorian means the current TV series occur in a different cannon timeline to the Reylo Trilogy. Anyway. A lot of star wars ships visibly have large scale docking ports for connecting large modules together. This is a useful feature on many real world space ships and stations, as it makes transferring crew and cargo much simpler. Having a chonky sized parasite is also a way less hairy way of dealing with damage or emergencies. You don't want to have to slice more holes in the hull when trying to rescue crew, and trying to get mass casualties to suit up for a space walk is just an unnecessarily complex, expensive and sadistic way to conduct triage/roulette. An aggressive large ship docking manoeuvre is the very first scene in ANH. So I always gathered that a whole bunch of jank looking composite configurations were possible.

Theory 1: Similar species around the galaxy not previously already mentioned (like the Xexto / Quermian connection) came about because the Rakata were trying to create more useful and "domesticated" slave species, such as taking the larger, clumsier, more savage Trandoshans and creating the smaller, more dextrous Saurin. Theory 2: Like the planarians they're based upon, Amanin can literally "digest knowledge" form those they eat. It's most effective if consuming another Amani's brains, but eating the brain of someone from another species could lead to an enhanced ability to learn that species' language, recalling some of the victim's secrets, or knowing how to operate a device or vehicle.

I don't think Luke was mind tricking the Gamorrean Guards in RotJ. Mind tricks always involve speech, such as a few minutes later when he tries to mind trick Jabba or when he mind tricks Bib Fortuna. When I was a kid, I always thought it was a combination of him Force-pushing them back and making them fall asleep (you can see them collapse against the wall behind them and their eyes close).

Here’s one for you: During the period when we only had 3 Star Wars films, Yoda never had a lightsaber and neither did the Emperor. I always assumed it was because masters of the Force would never NEED one. Obi Wan never claimed to be a master in those films either, just a Knight.

I have to admit, I would love for the one about Plo Koon to be true.

I saw one (maybe on this channel) where Palpatine is afraid if Force ghosts and that is why he avoided natural areas. Then the other day Geestly posted a thing about Plagius arguing with a ghost he didn't believe in.

As others say, the Gamorreans clearly reach for their throats and make sounds, and they also stumble backwards. That's not even a normal mindtrick let alone normal procedure. As you say, Luke comes in hooded up and in black and makes more or less the choke gesture. He's then also overly assertive and aggressive; he gives orders to Bib, tells Jabba not to underestimate his powers, and gives Jabba two separate cooperate-or-die ultimatums. I took this as further showing where Luke was at. We heard Yoda warn about that kind of behavior/mentality, and we saw/heard similar stuff from both OT Vader and PT Anakin. This all helps build the case for his vulnerability going into the Battle of Endor rather than him cracking suddenly (as Anakin is accused of doing, tho falsely), and better highlights his success in contrast to Anakin's initial failure.

Bullying my viewers for money lol

Yoda also says from the prequels, "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering." Emotions can fuel your intentions, if you let them. Emotions are clearly tied to the force as is shown in several different sources of starwars media, including canon with the clone wars TV show. (Maul being a vengeful and hateful person generally refers dark side force moves. Such as force choke.) Legends makes the connection more than canon has thus far, unless you count the sequels, which nobody should or does, because- you know wha I wont turn this into a sequel argument at the moment. Actions are supposed to dictate emotion, but sometimes emotion can dictate actions. The force to me, is clearly tied more of to the person than to any one side. If you are emotionally unbalanced, your ability to use the force will be hindered or changed. Canon leans into this aspect with the advent of PTSD being able to effect the way you use the force via jedi fallen order. But anyway, I think personally there is presidency for the theory that the force has no dark or light side. Hell even grey jedi exist in legends. Qui gon being commonly associated as the best example of a grey jedi. Qui gon's words in episode 1 would also imply there really isn't one side or another, he's always talking about the will of the force and not the light or the dark. The presidency for this theory is all there.

I don’t believe the force choking gamorian guards can even be debated. I think if you see people choking, and a hand up in a force choke manner, the director laid out on a silver platter what happened

With the Luke Force choking theory personally, I always thought he was just using shatter point

Luke 100% force choked the guards.

Great takes! That was a fun thread to read through and be a part of. (Also fun seeing mine make the cut!)

Great explanation with the Mind Probe. If you can just mind probe people it’s faster, easier, and intrusive. Hence, Darkside in nature. Even if you Mind Probed a person for good, the act is evil. Talking to the person takes longer, and may result in a person lying, meaning you may not know the truth, but it adheres to the rules of the Lightside. Once you start relying on the quick and easy path, then you will start using it all the time in all areas of life.

My favorite wacky theory is that Admiral Ozzel was a secret rebel sympathizer and not just woefully incompetent.

I always figured the reason the EU and everything pre-disney was made "legends" was to make sure they didnt have to pay royalties to the original creators while being able to rip off any character(s) they like without paying for them as a "tribute" version of each character to say they are for "legends" and "respect" legends.

The way I see it when it comes to the dark side and the light is that they aren't concrete like many treat them, especially the Jedi order. You do bad things you feel the dark side and it influences you to do more but it's not absolute. Vader saved his son despite how far he'd fallen. My favorite example is Galen Marek, in the games at least. He starts out being trained in the dark side but ends up choosing to be good. I don't have a big issue with things like light side force lightning but I see it more as a dark side power that they carry over, like they still know how to do it, maybe it even still influences them as it's a dark side power. That is if you believe the force has specific "powers" and not just what you need it to do. Vader choked people to make them suffer and die without leaving a mess, Palpatine has so much raw power he's able to physicalize it into lightning, etc. Doing evil things with it makes you more dark, not being dark gives you access to more abilities. I've just never been a fan of the binary nature the force is portrayed as so I always like characters that can come back from the dark or aren't defined by either side. Grey Jedi don't count in my books because despite what it says they are nothing but contrarian light side users with their own code. Correct me if I'm wrong though as I don't have much knowledge about actual grey jedi. I can't look at the Gamorrean scene and not see them choking. They are stumbling backwards and clutching at their necks (as best they can in those costumes). It could be a mind trick, making them think they've been attacked in some way or fearful that they might be, like they feel an instinct to protect their necks. I don't believe the force is like water that is lesser from being drawn upon more. If you think of the old republic as canon then it makes even less sense as jedi and sith back then were a whole hell of a lot more powerful and there were a whole lot more of them too. Even in the movies they talk about the jedi losing their ability to wield the force, implying they are getting weaker but there are far less of them and the sith aren't a huge force like they used to be.

I have a couple theories of my own regarding the Star Wars universe, particularly the most controversial aspects of lightsabers: How they are used in Legends vs Canon. In modern Canon, we have infamous examples of lightsaber wielders using their sabers seemingly more like baseball bats at times, with a favorite being that time Obi Wan struck a stormtrooper in the same place twice seemingly without actually cutting into him. I have two theories on this. A) He was just trying to incapacitate the trooper without outright killing him, but was out of practice and his first cut was bad. B) As has recently been made more clear, lightsabers are difficult to use effectively without some stability within the force. I'm thinking maybe Obi Wan's more unstable connection at the time of his show, combined with the likely bad condition his lightsaber was in after being buried in sand in a wooden box for ten years (which likely resulted in the lightsaber itself being either unstable or low in power), resulted in its ability to cut through things being severely hindered. It was essentially like a meat cleaver being dulled to an oversized butter knife or attached to an imbalanced spinning weight. This meant that Obi-Wan would occasionally have to apply either more physical force or reorient his flow of the Force through his lightsaber to get the lightsaber to cut properly, which also meant he wasn't able to be as fancy with it as he used to be. My second theory on lightsabers revolves around those fancy maneuvers we see in the prequel trilogy. What's with all the dancing and spinning and flailing about? Well, it's actually like high-speed chess. Of course there are those that were just showing off and enjoying themselves (which Anakin was canonically stated to be prone to doing), but then there are those situations like Anakin vs Obi Wan or Obi Wan/Qui Gon vs Darth Maul, where the characters involved are so steeped in the force in their attempts to outwit their opponents that both sides are thinking multiple steps ahead in a seemingly endless chain of reactions. What would normally be a simple strike to the head would turn into a spin or whirl as a result of the force showing them their opponent's counterswing, which they'd then adjust for, only for the opponent to predict THAT and adjust for it, and so on. When Anakin and Obi Wan were needlessly spinning their sabers around in front of each other, they were actually preemptively positioning their lightsabers multiple times in preparation for multiple attacks that never came because of those constant predictions. This is also why sometimes a clear opening is missed, or why they will attack the opponent's weapon or even just swing wildly around them: to prevent an action that hasn't yet happened rather than to simply go for the kill. It's essentially a case of either showing off, or a two-second mental cold war between masters. And if you want to bring up the mostly unrelated "spin and then shoot" that one guy did with his blaster at the end of Boba Fett...I blame that on him briefly checking around for any unseen immediate threats before attacking a distant enemy that hadn't spotted him yet.

The humans moving from the Milky Way to the Star Wars Galaxy can work from a physics standpoint if the universe is infinite. In an infinite universe it's not only possible, but technically fact that physics is different in different far flung parts of the universe. An infinite universe is basically a multiverse, but there's just one. Everything happens.

My theory for Snoke was that he was a failed attempt at making a Palpatine clone, and also has some inspiration of Plagueis sprinkled in, but ultimately gave up on that idea because it was either too hard or because Palpatine changed his mind for wanting to look like his original self again.

I would love for you to do a bunch more Theory trashing or even Theory agreeing. I just want to hear more of people's theories and you talk about them and how you feel

One head canon I have is clone voice changes within different games/shows. There’s the obvious Temura and Dee Bradly ones, but also the actor for 2003, Battlefront 2, and republic commando. I just think it could be a mechanism installed within the clone helmets to show more individuality.

I can't remember if you've covered this yet but the idea that Palpatine created the Empire to protect the Galaxy from the Yuuzhan Vong is pretty popular. Yes, Palpatine was aware of the Vong by 27BBY, yes, protecting the Galaxy from threats from the Unknown Regions and beyond was the big reason Thrawn served the Empire, and yes, superweapons like Death Stars would be very helpful against Vong worldships. But all that being said, I think it's ridiculous to say that protecting the Galaxy from the Vong was Palpatine's motive. Palpatine committed countless atrocities that were completely unnecessary for such an end, and he did a lot of things that actually made the Galaxy worse off against the Vong, like getting rid of the Jedi and the Droid Army. He didn't see the Vong as a threat to the Galaxy, he saw them as a threat to his rule.

I tend to agree with Lex, the Jedi forbid marriage out of fear of what MIGHT happen. If Anikin and Padme didn't need to hide their relationship might things have been different? In their case it became a self-fulfilling prophecy because it had to be hidden.

About Luke's Force Choke, I think he didn't use it BUT he use Mind Trick on the guard to think that they are choking or can't breath. Force Choke is work by directly choking the victim using the Force, but Mind Trick only tricking the victim to think that they are choking.

I'd never heard of Luke not choking the guards before watching this video. Honestly, I can't see how you can possibly see it as him doing anything BUT choking them. Their hands go to their throats, they stumble backward, and make gurgling noises like they're in distress. It's my theory you threw that one in just to generate comments on the video lol Also, that jedi in the video holding his lightsabers backwards makes me crazy. Why would you ever hold a sword that way?

Ok here’s mine… all three Star Wars timelines are connected, legends, sequel trilogy, and the mandoverse (I go into all the reasons that mando could not lead into the sequel trilogy at the end). let’s start with how legends can be cannon. Jason Solo and Tahiri both end up flow walking a lot in one of the legends series (the one directly before fate of the Jedi I think), and in the 4th Fate of the Jedi book Tahari talks about how Jason flow walked a lot without her to learn things about the force. Flow walking changes the past, so I believe that jason’s flowwalking created the Disney cannon because of the butterfly affect. At that point there was two timelines, but then due to Ezra saving Ashoka in rebels, the timeline split into a timeline where Ashoka died at the hands of Vader (the sequel trilogy timeline) and one were she survived the encounter (the mandoverse) So why can’t the sequel trilogy and the mando coexist? Simple in the sequel trilogy Kylo was Luke’s first padawan/Jedi in training (I don’t think padawan was a term used in Luke’s Jedi order I may be wrong though); however, in the mandoverse Grogu was Luke’s first apprentice, if only briefly.

Personal theory, if you do these again: Rey exists because Palpatine survived Luke. I think whatever makes the skywalker lineage so strong is there by the will of the force to facilitate the balancing of the force by a sort of reset with scouring both sides. Aided by Anakin the Jedi were destroyed, then with Luke the Sith were destroyed, so with only somewhat unaligned forcewielders left the galaxy could balance, possibly beyond even being bound to light or dark. But when Palpatine survived, that whole thing was screwed. Now palpatine remained as a vestige for the dark side. With palpatine out of action and vader gone yet redeemed, the force was unbalanced and the Darkside seeped to the only major force user not dead or disabled, Luke. It couldn't corrupt him but tainted him a bit and led to both his fall as a leader and possibly Kylo's corruption. With a snag in its plan the force has to select a new vessel to complete the destruction of the past and balancing of the force, so it chooses a descendant from the other line of powerful force users at large: Rey Palpatine. Away from both sheev and Luke she was able to grow in power without a corrupted influence and FINALLY bring balance to the force. Her title at the end of Rey Skywalker is in show that while she may not be a descendant by blood, she is the inheritor of the force's favour in completing its great rebalancing.

Here's one: George Lucas is actually in possession of a holocron. He used it as the basis of his original movies, but as he unlocked more information, he was forced to throw out concepts and retcon existing material.

9:05 "Luke's missing hand has been up in the air for a long time"

it's definitive canon that star wars takes place in our universe. it's the first thing the movies ever tell us. "a long time ago *in a galaxy far, far away*" far away from what? well, obviously the place of the viewer. AKA our earth

Regarding that theory about humans being from the Milky Way, what if the different physics is a result of being in an entirely different star system? While we have observed that other galaxies exist, we have absolutely no clue what things are like within them beyond the most obvious/discernible. It's wild to consider, but there is the tiniest possibility, to me, that different materials and such within those galaxies could result in entirely different physics. Maybe the galaxy from Star Wars harbors a hidden energy field of some sort emanating from the galactic core that results in a lack of time dilation or something, but since time dilation was something never observed in their universe, nobody ever knew that energy field was abnormal, and thus nobody knew it even existed.

"Luke's missing hand has been up in the air for a long time..." Well yeah, gas giants are like that.

I just love the idea that canons like Star Wars are all just retellings or historical records made by people who can and will make mistakes, add things for entertainment value and such. Perhaps even making certain factions seem much crueler than reality. The movies we watch might be based on true events, but did they REALLY happen that way?

12:57 My explanation for that is that, since the Dark Side derives power from the individual's desires and ambition, when a bunch of Sith ally with one another in the pursuit of a common goal they have to compromise and limit themselves to the desires of the collective. This ultimately is what weakens them and illustrates why the Rule of Two was such an effective solution. Not because there's only a limited amount of Dark Side power to go around, but it limited the amount of people either Darksider has to make compromises with to just one other person while simultaneously giving both of them clear/manageable goals to strive towards that aren't petty or counterproductive.

My theory is the Holdo Manouvre was a complete freak ocurrance with almost non existant chances of occurring, essentially having to time the collision to jump on an exact fraction of a millisecond beyond even the calculation abilities of ai, that only worked because "The will of the force"

One of the fan theories that I used to have is that EU and Canon diverged during the events of Interlude at Darkknell. Basically instead of meeting with Aach, Garm Bel Iblis would have been killed in the same blast that killed his wife and children while he was meeting with Aach.

11:25 Counter point, Luke chokes the guards in lego star wars II the Original Trilogy (2006)

Relativity and physics in Star Wars have been absolutely stated to exist, the seemingly vast differences in physics is likely just the result of the fact they’ve found new types of physics and technologies to skirt around currently known limitations. In hyperspace a ship isn’t really moving at a much faster velocity than in realspace, just that distances in hyperspace are shorter, meanwhile communication signals are sent at near C through hyperspace. Also with extremely efficient sublight drives and repulsorlifts Star Wars ships have nearly infinite Delta V and can opt to hover over a planet rather than orbit it in a Newtonian sense, although as we’ve seen in the Battle of Yavin they’ll sometimes opt for the Newtonian route since the Death Star was in actual orbit over Yavin. But when hovering over a planet via repulsorlifts “in orbit” is likely just common lingo like how we say a motorized ship in our world is “sailing”. Things like fighters “banking” I like to chalk up to them getting maneuvering assistance from repulsorlifts. To us it looks like magical BS, but gotta remember Clarke's Third Law. And IIRC there have been a couple cases of time dilation in Legends, though it’s something not commonly talked about or touched on. I do remember reading in one of the Legends EU guidebooks that there is a tech that projects a spacetime bubble around a vessel to prevent time dilation when traveling at velocities near C or around black holes, but I don't think it's a thing in Canon.

"why would you wanna attach two very large vessels together?" To easily and quickly recover/capture one if the need arises. Or even just move it without needing some kinda complex tug setup.

For a title of this series, how about Mustafar Marshmellows? Because... ya know... all the roasts?

My wild headcannon is that the knights of Ren are the escaped Rogue one, disillusioned with both sides of the civil war though still sending the beacon, escaping, and falling into a dark side cult because they've learned might makes right and Chirrut leads them to the most powerful force user(s) outside the known galaxy. I like the idea that, with the original script for Duel of the Fates, Rey could come across them and he could tell her yeah well the be one with the force and the force will be with you (in that unifying force theory) bc I think Leia already has lines that yeah maybe there is more than the Jedi and Sith (Jedi'i stuff, if she's searching ancient texts though I don't love "lore" in the movies per se)

Theory: Star Wars has futuristic technology, but it says that they take place a long time ago. I think that in the future, when we have expanded past living on earth, we tapped into the world between worlds, and go back in time.

Would be an interesting story to tell. Could take place in the High Republic tales as a dark side force user who sees the will of the force and does everything possible to stop everything from happening (let's say it's during the time when a Sith Empire and High Republic are at war. Sith Army is starting to lose ground.). He foresee's the future with the dark side of the force and we see him start his plans to stop it all. Of course, the Force being the Force, finds a way to foil him. IDK, more thought needed for a story like that, but it would be interesting to see a Dark Side force user actually seeing the future and doing what they can to stop it from happening to ensure the Sith Empire remains in ultimate power. Only to fail by the will of the Force.

I remember references to relativistic shielding even an article somewhere about time travel and pilot from born far in the past who made it to the current time because his failed. I always blamed fantasy technology for those things that didn't match up. Like an 'etheric rudder' for fighters banking in space or maybe a sensor that detects the sound of explosions and engines and simulates it int the cockpit.

In regards to the gamorrean and the force choke, I always just thought Luke was using an advanced kind of mind trick to make the guard think he couldn't breathe until he passed out. The brain regulates everything.

The sequels were a vision or warning from the force given to Luke after he forced grogu to choose that if he did not learn from the previous orders mistakes that the future of the order would be horrible

The differences in physics in Star Wars can be attributed to a combination of 3 things. First, physics as described from our perspective is simply different in other parts of the universe, true, but Star Wars clearly isn’t supposed to be that different. Second, like the famous Arthur C. Clarke quote, Star Wars civilization has advanced to such a point that it has reach tech equilibrium-problems related to relativity have been reconciled through hyperspace and antigrav technology, while bioethical problems inherent to the singularity have been tempered through careful regulation of A.I., cloning, and cybernetics. And the third is the ludonarrative dissonance inherent to the film medium. Sometimes cheating is required to make for a more cinematic presentation of the accounts.

I have done excruciating Mental gymnastics when I was a kid to keep my favorite jedi alive including Master Plo

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What if, in new canon, the rule of two is actually something that was subverted/perverted/lost to time and then misinterpreted. What if the Jedi and Sith were the two. Stay with me here. What if before the schism jedi and Sith were more of a rank? The jedi was the Master, who hung up their lightsaber and used more mental tactics to make peace and their hotheaded apprentices were the Sith, those who used their lightsabers to enforce the peace? You could still have Sith Masters, the senior Peace Enforcers/Keepers, and young Jedi more focused on the making of peace. But in this way, the real balance of the force would be the two (Jedi and Sith) working together to make and enforce the peace. In an odd way Anakin and Obi-Wan represent this in the Clone Wars. Obi-Wan is the peace maker, the negotiator, while Anakin in the Enforcer. Even the birth of Luke and Leia represents that, Leia is the diplomat, Luke the warrior. They are the two, they are the balance.

Regarding the last one, about Humans in Star Wars coming from the milky way. In the mid 90s Ace Books was trying to get the rights to Star Wars novels and contacted author Robert J. Sawyer to write a trilogy about the origins of the aliens in Star Wars. The first novel was to be called Alien Exodus and would connect Indiana Jones, THX-1138 and a mass human migration that would end up leading them to the Star Wars universe. Sawyer wrote a 10,000 word outline and 11,000 words in sample chapters that you can find online, but in the end Ace Books never got the rights to Star Wars so Robert J. Sawyer backed out of the project.

13:40 The problem with this is that canonically Star wars takes place BEFORE our current time. "*Long ago* in a Galaxy far, far away"

That theory of Bane succeeding throughout the entire timeline would definitely break via Palpatine. I mean it's came up a few times and it's explicit that the person must strike them down in Anger. Palpatine murdered Plagus in his sleep that may be cold and calculated but it wasn't done out of anger it was done out of pursuit of power. I imagine he was pretty happy about it. So if Plagus was Bane I imagine it would of been terribly Ironic on his part.

On that last point, relativity does exist in the star wars universe. Ships merely have a relativistic shield that keeps you in sync with the rest of the universe. There's a Hypernet news article about a character who actually did experience time dilation because his ship's relativistic shields failed, and he arrived at his destination 2 centuries later.

One joke on "the force", The jedi shield themselves from "attachments". We hear that hate, fear, anger are the dark side. But what bout Love, Joy, happiness, excitement. For a Jedi they are generally supposed to suppress all emotions and attachments. That means ANY emotion could end up being "darkside" per say. Where as no emotion or complete inner calm, meditation and removal of distraction is the light side. So this comes to the Fun and funny statement/concept. A "dark side" group, that doesn't use hate or anger, but the "good emotions." The battle junky who doesn't fight for power, for control, but instead fights because they love the fight, they love the challenge. The naturalist that loves nature, loves animals and plants, loves the feel of the force flowing though the natural world and lives and plays with that. Its again, emotion driven force so it "must" be darkside.

Personal theory regarding physics in space in Star Wars: everything follows real world science BUT with things we have yet to discover IRL. Namely, the aether that is occasionally mentioned in lore, which I personally attribute to some IRL as yet undiscovered particle or whatnot that is present in space, as a form of cosmic radiation. Star Wars has some sort of tech that allows ships to ride this “cosmic particle radiation” like a planet’s atmosphere, i.e. utilize aerodynamics in space/vacuum, allowing spaceships to fly in space like they do in atmosphere with a vast delta-v if you will. However, this requires constant thrust and the destruction of the ship causes weird fluctuations with gravity fields, which is why ships, when they’re destroyed, tend to act like they’re sinking ocean bound ships. #askeck who is ultimately responsible for ordering the destruction of Alderaan? Was it Palpatine or did he just give the authorization for it? Lore ship Versus video request: Resurgent vs. Starhawk Tie Striker vs. New Republic V-Wing World Devastator vs. Vong Worldship Tie Silencer vs. X-83 Twintail Tie Silencer vs. Tie Defender (legends version) Keldabe vs. ISD II MC90 vs. Nebula class star destroyer Nebula class vs. Pellaeon class Majestic class vs. Bothan Assault Cruiser EAWX: FOTR’s Mandator II portrayal vs. Subjugator Praetor vs. Subjugator EAWX: TR’s Mediator portrayal vs. Resurgent Starhawk vs. Bulwark MK III

I'm more a fan of the Unifying Force and that only sapients apply the terms dark and light... but the Dark Side tree on Dagobah is a strong counter-argument. And Eck, I can't believe you don't think fear is a Dark Side attribute. After all, fear is the path to the dark side...fear leads to hate, hate leads to anger, anger leads to suffering!

Hey Eck, here’s a theory related to Vergere’s view of the Force: in a state of nature, i.e., without sapient life, the Force has neither a dark side nor a light side. The Force, according to Obi-wan in the ROTS novel, says the Force takes on the shape of its vessel. I contend that that is true in a metaphysical sense as well as a physical one. It is sapient beings’ morality, and moreover, their *beliefs* about morality, that give rise to the dark and light sides. The essential belief in the dichotomy of good and evil is reflected within the power that is created by and partakes in life. Once that dichotomy is set, it becomes self-reinforcing, the existence of the dark and light sides further solidifying belief in them which makes their existence more real. In other words, the dark side is both a self-reinforcing meme and an infohazard.