In the books it’s heavily implied that Jayne Westerling was a honey trap set by Tywin so Robb would betray his marriage oath to the Freys. After Robb’s murder Tywin pardons the Westerlings for switching to Robb’s side (which is very unusual for Tywin who normally wipes out rebellious house’s completely). Tywin even offers to find a new husband for Jayne.
Sad. Ned heavily trained Robb & Jon to be war captains, & both ended up living EXACTLY that experience as teenage boys. He couldn’t have believed that would happen, when he was teaching them
It was the fact he made her no longer a virgin that dishonored her not just simply getting her pregnant(which she didn't as far as we know). Besides I don't think Robb would be down for killing his unborn child either way
“The shiftiest people alive” 😂😂😂😂😂😂. That’s the damn truth. Robb is one of my favorite characters and I wish we had gotten a pov of him but seriously just make the girl drink moon tea or keep her on the side. His downfall is so frustrating because it was SO preventable.
@Rengokuo4o6 probably if he was gonna lose, but if winning, I think Walder would have been pretty happy so close to the new King with a double marriage.
Bro, you know damn well they were going to betray him even before he showed up with Jeyne don’t u remember them plotting with Toose at Harrenhal in the Arya chapter
@@billychops1280 They were, but I'm not sure if they would have gone through with it. Either way, since Edmure and Roslin wouldn't be married in this situation, they'd have to find another way to betray him.
A bit harsh, considering that Robb left them little choice. It was either this or open battle for the Freys, after being betrayed by Robb, but in open battle they could have been all killed easily. What would you have done?
If you actually pay attention to the books you should realize Robb Stark is an whiny insufferable prick who deserved Red Wedding 110%. Face it you only like Robb because he is Ned's son and opposes Joffrey, at least Joffrey remembers his Oaths better than Robb.
why Jeyne WESTERLING from a house from the Westerlands he should known better they dldnt even have a big army freys were more powerful than them brought more as well protection too make it north
When you think about it, Edmure single handedly fucked the whole campaign. With Tywin routed and kings landing taken no deals can be struck with Roose and Walder. A deal could be struck possibly with the Tyrell’s and Robb finally avenges his father, keeps his head, and keeps his westerling wife.
If tywinn did get to the west i think he might have beat robbs army but obviously stannis takes kings landing and if robb didnt die or something in the fight against tywinn then he would have to bend to stanmis or fight him so i donts see his story ending well even if married frey
Regardless of who wins in the South, Lannister, Baratheon, or even if the Tyrells decided to simply conquer the realm, the North would be their enemies. Crowning him King was the deathblow to the northern cause.
19:10 I feel so bad about edmure in this part , bro was just doing his job and defending his lands since no one warned him about the plans, in the end he came out as some kind of "idiot" or "incompetent"
Listen 👂 if I was Robb, I would’ve took in the information of my fathers death from my throne in winterfell and built a force from my house, would’ve definitely claimed king of the north, rally thee entire north, if they don’t join, then they die, and there house will go to another lords family whom ever claims, an move on, like the Freys, I would’ve immediately took battle if they can back with that proposal! I’m at war not into finding a wife,
It's funny how most people say honour is what gets the Starks murdered but it was actually Robb's LACK of honour that did him in. Had he just married the Frey girl he would've had an incredibly strong chance at least commanding terms of peace if he didn't out right win ... Unshakable honour is what got Eddard and questionable honour did one of his sons while having, too, many loyalties got the other (Jon).
Honor is a strange thing. In many cultures, honor can mean doing your best for the person you serve. Ned could have maintained his honor had he sided with Stannis, but pretended to take the deal Littlefinger offered him. Or at least accept that agreement for some time, while preparing for Stannis.
@@MrBell-iq3sm The problem with Ned is that he'd see that (lying) as dishonorable. It's why he doesn't tell his children about the true events of the fight between his group and Ser Arthur Dayne's. He felt ashamed that he only won through a stab in the back. He also mentioned to Jaime that when he fights: "he fights for real, not for glory." Because of his core character traits, Ned was absolutely doomed from the beginning, lol. Bloody hell, he was so honour bound he warned Cersei. Which got both Robert Baratheon and himself killed.
@@EL-ISS I don't think lying was the issue. He never stopped certain lies from spreading, be that his relation to Jon or his defeat of Ser Dayne. I think his issue was the disdain of political intrigue, the game, so to speak. There was no honor in warning Cersei, because her fate and that of her children was neither his fault nor his responsibility. He could have kept his honor by speaking up for them, or at least pleading for her children after revealing the truth to Robert.
@@MrBell-iq3sm Oh this is a good ol' nerdy discussion, so thanks for it, lol. That is true, but he also doesn't spill about Jon because he knows Robert's hate for Targaryens which would put Jon's life at risk. A similar thing with Cersei. He cares nothing for that green eyed witch but the children are innocent. We get a glimpse of this with how adamant he is on not sending assasins after Dany. So though he is lying or betraying some loyalties, it is still honorable to protect all innocence even if they come from a rival side. It's ironic that the north doesn't have concepts of knighthood and chivalry, yet they often come out as honoring the code more than the Southron Knights, lol.
Some people think she got pregnant by Brandon Stark (Ned’s brother). They were betrothed before his death and Brandon had a reputation for taking maidenheads
....it is said....... NO, NO, no. there is no legitimised jon snow nor confirmation that robb named him his successor. that is pure fanon at this point.
@@Kaizer64746 that is who he seemed to desire but not necessarily who he finally named in the will. so no. it is still fanon to claim Robb named jon snow.
