No Karen Carpenter? I love what Tom Petty's daughter said about RS magazine when asked if her father was dead - she said : "He's not dead yet, but your magazine is." Amen.
I like your take on this. Kudos for mentioning Rosemary Clooney, Doris Day and Karen Carpenter. Unfortunately, we live in an era where the ability to just sing the melody of a song with some tasteful improvisations is being trumped by vocal gymnastics. Dolly Parton's thoughtful rendition of her own song "I will always love you", where the focus is on the person she is singing to, vs Whitney Houston's version which should have been retitled, "I will always love me and my incredible voice", is a good example of this trend.
What a refreshing and IMO completely correct stance. You're line 'where the ability to just sing the melody of a song with some tasteful improvisations is being trumped by vocal gymnastics' is something I have felt for years but you articulated it beautifully. Is it these stupid [insert country] has talent like shows? Is it a reflection of a society that is increasingly growing in bombasity? Do people simply have no refinement in their taste any more? Do people equate volume blast with quality? Is it some of these reasons or even more? Obviously I have no answers but I am really glad and appreciative for your post.
I guess it was All Or Nothing for Steve. So many missing from that list, James Brown, Terry Callier, Betty Davis, Edith Piaf, Jacques Brel, Scott Walker ..............
I agree it’s not just a stupid list, it’s the opposite of what music is about. Bob Dylan’s voice is in my top ten , but he does not have to be in yours..but Paul Rogers & Karen Carpenter not in the list ?
@@robgronotte1 In an Esquire magazine interview, Brian said, "I wanted Carl to sing it. I thought he had the right voice for the song...so I was able to put on my producer hat rather than satisfy my ego and sing it myself."
YES absolutely right. Gorgeous vocals on that song (which incidentally is Paul McCartney's favourite pop song). RS seem to be anti anything or anyone who was popular with the masses but don't fit in with their image of 'cool'. They are more likely to rank a singer over someone has classy has Judy Garland based on the fact that their choice wears as little clothing as possible. Rolling Stone never really grew up. In its desire to be perceived as the avant guard hipster mag for 'real musicians' it really remained just a dishonest and quite frankly a juvenile yet pretentious piece of self-indulgence.
I have never been that big a fan of Rolling Stone. My dad let me look at his old issues from the late 60's and early 70's. By far my favourite part was the reader letters complaining how bad the magazine was. Two standouts to me were "I wouldn't even use your magazine to wrap my fish!" and "If I followed your record review recommendations I'd have the most piece of sh*t record collection ever!"
Rolling Stone magazine only allows ass kissing and overtly positive letters to the editor now. I’ve tried several times to complain about their political pieces and they have never published me or anybody with a alternative point of view
I like your point about the difference between a great voice and a great singer. Years ago I commented about this on FB and gave Howard Kaylan and Micky Dolenz as examples of both, in my opinion- both heavily underrated pop vocalists who have great voices and are great singers. As I posted it, it got an immediate thumbs-up and the words "Howard Kaylan likes this post" floated up. He was reading the thread.
Hey Joe, yes I agree with the picks of Dolenz and Kaylan. To me, it makes most sense to create lists within genres with solid criteria first, and then make the all encompassing list.
@@popgoesthe60s52 They just offer no criteria for these things. There is no list, nor even any discussion, in which Ozzy Ozbourne and Billie Holliday both belong.
@@BradyDale04 A great singer and a great voice. He brings emotional resonance to songs like "You Know What I Mean" that most couldn't. A great singer tells the story...
John Lennon is my favorite singer of all-time with McCartney close behind. Incredible range and power both of them. Not at all surprised by the top ten we are firmly in terra woke incognito. And no Karen Carpenter? Sinatra? Glad you mentioned them Matt.
Woke Indeed what about Freddie or Roger Taylor and his 4 octave range? Guess we need to start with our selves or in English keep calm and carry on. Don't sweat the stuff you can't control seems to be the motto of an apathetic today but it's not wrong. I'm done Carry On. Thanks for the opportunity to vent.
I think it’s a shame that Colin Blunstone and Burton Cummings didn’t make the list they are in my opinion 2 of the greatest singers in the rock and roll history and we get people like Ozzy Osbourne on the greatest singers list Rolling Stone give me a break it’s all about money to them.
Virtually no one knows who Blunstone is, and Argent for that matter outside of a certain age group ie those who were about at the time he was releasing. I can never sell Blunstone albums, or Argent. But The Zombies ALWAYS sell. Here is the joke, I'll put on a Blunstone album and people ask who is that and buy it. So the reason is not music, it is just some artists seem to not get the name recognition others do. As for Cummings, he always sells, Guess Who too, BTO etc. They sell very consistently. People ask for Cummings.
Damn straight Paul Rodgers is one if the few singers that still sings just as good today. Maybe slightly thinner but maintains his range. Also a multi instrumentalist
This is a list of singers that sell today on vinyl, which is why you have some singers and not others, it's pretty much who is kinda popular on social media, which is why you get Billie and Ella, but not people like Garland, Day. Writers don't have the depth of knowledge about music they once had.
I feel your pain, Matt - but I stopped taking these kind of polls seriously by the late-70s after I remember Johnny Rotten being considered a great singer! Keep up the great work.
Right, Barry and Robin will not be forgotten. Just bought 4 of the recent 2022 Cd remasters from Japan, Cucumber Castle, 2 Years On, Trafalgar, and To Whom It May Concern.
Granted I have not read the list however the two singers that come to mind are Paul McCartney and Harry Nilsson. Those two can do amazing things with their voices.
@@popgoesthe60s52 i wouldntve been surprised if Paul had been omitted.. left out Harry but ozzy & dylan are now songbirds?, lol isnt this the same magazine that put joan jett in the top 10 list of guitar players?!🙃 i just looked up top 50 music related magazines.. Jann Wenner didnt make this list, weird.
@@Toobzilla jann ain't the man but obviously paul and harry belong on the list. bob and ozzy have been singing for 62 and 55 years, respectively. name a world class boxer boxing his 57th year who's still competitive?
@@popgoesthe60s52 I'm restringing a guitar and it occured to me, the only motivation RS could have to compile such nincompooped, divisive lists as they do is controversy. I can see Wenner ( is he still alive? associated with RS?) being arrogant enough to assemble a list that he has no belief in himself just so he can be all "if i say it, it must be" but surely there must be some decent ppl with intergrity, common sense & humility that are in managing positions @ RS that would balk at such nonsense. There can't possibly be that many mental cases in one location. not possible. which, like this telecaster I'm rew-stringing leaves us collectively as instruments to be played. In this age where most media is available, free to the end-user must leave entities like RS who, i'm only assuming still creates hard-copy issues that they hope to sell regularly, in the precarious position of finding new ways to create revenue. For all i know, everytime i type RS, Wenner, nincompoop etc, RS/Wenner inc. recieves a royalty?.. It would make waaaayyy more sense than these embarrassing, hair-raising compilations that they comprise.. damn it, now i feel cheap & used. Hopefully they had enough respect for the sheep they sheared (us) by not leaving Brian & Carl Wilson off the list... they wouldn't ?
Something I really, really don’t get is how out of the Beach Boys, all of whom could’ve and probably should’ve made the top 10-20, only Brian is included and didn’t even make the top 50. No Dennis, or Carl? How could the guy who sang God Only Knows at just 17 years old not make the list?
Well Karen Carpenter may not have been included in Rolling Stone Magazine's list of the top 200 singers, but Readers of Playboy magazine voted Karen Carpenter as the Best Rock Drummer in the 1975 annual opinion poll. Carpenter outvoted John Bonham of the rock band Led Zeppelin.
Great video Matt, I too was very surprised by the absence of Bing Crosby. It is like they have conveniently erased him and his influence from the history of popular music. Cheers Matt
just go into any junk store and see the piles of Bing albums, should tell you enough. his time is passing. that is how it goes. he has a set of standards, which will be played for all our lives. I like a lot of his singing myself, but what you are talking about already started 30 years ago.
Agreed, however his influence on other artist who have influenced lesser artists on this list cannot be denied. There are few old time singers that I listen to, however that shouldn’t exclude them from this list - and Rolling Stone knows this. IMHO he and other greats were excluded so they could include other artists that ticked certain demographic boxes. This is the way of RS and that can be extended to all of their recent listings.
Karen Carpenter has no equal and to be left off the list is unbelievable! Another great female vocalist is Judith Durham of the Australian band "The Seekers". Like Karen she could hold a pure note without the vocal gymnastics that infest modern performances.
Dang! I missed Judith Durham in my couple of proposals for missing non-Americans. (I suggested Tom Jones and Bon Scott). Yes, Judith deserves to be there, and ahead of my two suggestions, as one of the defining sounds of the 1960s and one of the truly great voices.
My greatest list: (female vocalists) Connie Francis, Patsy Cline, and Brenda Lee. (male vocalists) Elvis Presley, Dean Martin, Tony Williams of the Platters, and Marty Robbins.
Great job Matt! So the Rolling Stone isn't your Bible? It's right up there with Newsweek and SI. Karen Carpenter is the best female singer I've ever heard. Congratulations on staying composed throughout the video. I thought you were going to break a few times!
I couldn't believe it when they didn't include STEVE MARRIOTT on their 100 Greatest Rock Singers list. I wasn't going to even look at this list, but the curiosity got the better of me and I thought maybe since it's now 200 singers, they might give Steve his well deserved mention. No, once again they didn't include him at all. I agree with you on all the others you mentioned - shocking! I don't understand what criteria they used as some of these mentions were good performers, but great singers? NO! This is why i gave up my Rolling Stone subscription many years ago, they are clueless... Thank you for another great show, Matt. Happy New Year....
I think another big oversight was no Agnetha and Frida from ABBA. Say what you need to say about ABBA but those voices were phenomenal. A soprano and a mezzo soprano singing perfect harmony?
@@Spo-Dee-O-Dee Absolutely wrong, watch ABBA the movie, they absolutely nailed it and kicked butt. Also, Watch the Dick Clark TV special where they sang live for about six or seven songs and they were phenomenal live
The best way to live is to ignore Rolling Stone and anything it spawns (Including the RRHOF)....:) I think they make these lists to get people to talk them.....as always a good presentation.
Would have enjoyed Helen Shapiro and Lesley Gore on the list. Paul McCartney, the man of 1000 voices, on 26# also makes me itch (same goes for the absence of George Harrison). I think the thing I would have changed the most is Christine McVie for Nicks, because Christie was pitch perfect when singing live. What do you think, Matt? Happy New Year, my friend.
Good call on McVie. Nicks is certainly recognizable but I would not rate her high for several reasons. I could construct a list of 200 quality singers who didn't make the list!
The bad thing about Rolling Stone Magazine lists is that many people in the press and other media actually take them seriously and as factual. This list seems to be a certain group picking singers who they think will make them look hip.
Clearly Elvis should be in the top 10, if not #1. Not just a pretty face, but a phenomenal singer, especially in his prime. I would agree w/ you about Dylan if this was a list of the greatest voices of all time, but it's GREATEST SINGERS, and Dylan should be high on that list. Countless artists have covered Dylan songs, and there's only one that surpassed the original--you know which one--which is quit a testament to Dylan's singular abilities as a singer.
Preaching to the converted here Matt, but as it is your channel, I get to sit back while you do all the heavy lifting on this topic! I think this stuff just tends to get our blood pressure up a bit if we take it seriously, and unfortunately we still do, because these are things we are passionate about. I've pulled back from these old dinosaur institutions (Rolling Stone Mag, R and R Hall of Fame, and certainly Grammys) many years ago because - as you drilled in on, they are really just clickbait (in whatever form). If Bob Dylan is ranked higher than Elvis or Paul McCartney on this list of Greatest Singers, Houston we have a problem, and it's not Whitney.
Good to hear your take on this. You and Robert are in total agreement on Paul Rodgers. the more I think about It, the more dumbfounded I am about Judy Garland not being included.
I agree. The Rolling Stone's criteria is weak and laughable. It's another missed opportunity to have a serious conversation on something that is important to many of us. Thanks TJR!
Roy Orbison was the greatest singer with the greatest voice ever! Others that were great: Harry Nilsson, Mama Cass, Barry Gibb, Bobby Hatfield, Bill Medley, Neil Young, Graham Nash, Stephen Stills, David Crosby, Linda Ronstadt, Tom Petty, Sting, Bono, Freddie Mercury, Glenn Frey, Don Henley, Bobby Darin, Elvis Presley, Jerry Lee Lewis, Buddy Holly, Harry Chapin, Jim Croce, Karen Carpenter, Billy Joel, Elton John, Paul McCartney, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, John Denver, Dionne Warwick, Jackie DeShannon, Carole King, Neil Sedaka, Tony Bennett, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jr., Frank Sinatra, Carl Wilson, Jeff Lynne, David Bowie, Connie Francis, Nat King Cole, Johnny Mathis, Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Stevie Wonder, Little Anthony, Johnny Maestro, Smokey Robinson, Randy Meisner, Lesley Gore, Diana Ross, Susanna Hoffs, Stevie Nicks, Tony Williams, Dion, Joan Jett, Eric Burdon, Gary Puckett, Blondie, Neil Diamond, Ben E. King, Brian Wilson, Brenda Lee, Mick Jagger, Steven Tyler, Bruce Springsteen, Madonna, I could go on and on.
The missing two that immediately came to me when perusing the list were Nat King Cole and Harry Nilsson. Then Judy Garland, Bing Crosby…personally I would have loved to have seen Corey Wells or Chuck Negron, or Cass Elliott, Howard Kalyan, Dionne Warwick, Art Garfunkel…
Spot on. RS has a long history of opinions which are … to put it politely “off the mark” Two examples from the 60s, they disparaged Eric Clapton, and pretty well rubbished Zeppelin’s first album. Where did those twerps get their taste from? What really puzzles me - how on earth did it become so popular, and in particular so respected?
This is just Rolling Stone's list, which doesn't even appear to have an opinion. Rick Beato's top 20 lists on RU-vid includes singers and rock singers respectively. Worth checking out.
RS is more of a brand now than a magazine, kind of like Newsweek and Time. I confess to being a frequent reader of WIkipedia for pop/rock group basic info to remind me, and have noticed that the articles therein often state where the artist(s) ranks in various RS lists ("#87 in the RS list of greatest male backup singers..."). So perhaps RS is just looking for another mention in those WIkipedia articles, as a form of advertising. I agree that a list of singers without Bing Crosby or Karen Carpenter is comical, but that's nothing compared to calamity of leaving out whole genres from "Singers." Jussi Bjorling anyone ? How about Birgit Nilsson ?
I am always amazed at how most RS lists look like a Jann Wenner mind map (older folks) with a sprinkling of flavor of the times (newer folks). They never seem to break out of this mold. I say this appreciating the top 10 of this list, but realizing the stark omissions and the strange placings of others (MJ at #86? and Janis Joplin at #78?). I used to get upset about these lists when I was in high school and college. Now they seem too predictable to worry about unfortunately.
Where to start... Joni Mitchell, Paul Rodgers, Burton Cummings, Colin Blunstone, Dolores O'Riordan ... yeah, Celine Dion should be included, though she's not my cuppa. The Lennon ranking is classic. Ranker probably does a better list than RS! (I won't get started on Matt Taibbi. This is a 60s music channel!)
It is good to see that you are making videos again, Matt, and I have to agree with whom you consider to have better voices than those who made Rolling Stones' list of the greatest singers of all-time. In my opinion, musical tastes are very subjective and it really depends on who you ask in regard to the best voices of all-time. Karen Carpenter had a fabulous voice and it is just crazy that she did not make the list. Looking forward to watching more of your videos, Matt, and my favorite series you did last year was on Paul Revere and the Raiders. 👍
My guess is RS simply see artists such as Karen Carpenter as uncool and with RS that means out the door with you. They are fake self-indulgent egotists.
Rolling Stone Was Great when it came in newspaper form. As soon as they became a slick "Magazine"... the slide began and today they about as relevant to Music as GQ or People Magazine!
Very good comment, thanks for the additional input. especially about Karen Carpenter. Matt I am seeing a strange pixel, or lack there of, just left of center above your head on your straight on shots. I noticed it in the last one I watched as well.
@@Spo-Dee-O-Dee the original Bad Company (WITH ROGERS) was 73 - 82 and we was with them again all through 98 - 2008 (and ad hoc ever since). He has had a longer tenure and association in that band than many artists the RRHoF. What more do you want?
I can't in good conscience give that POS Jann Wenner a single click. But after learning Karen C missed the cut I am curious Matt. Did Mickey Thomas or Meatloaf make the grade (according to those dim bulbs over at RS)? Cheers mate, Rick
the bing crosby omission alone renders this list a joke. Bing was such a huge influence on singers after him, including Sinatra. In part this was because his rise coincided with various new recording technologies that allowed for more subtle, nuanced recorded singing. \Steve Marriott is another huge oversight.
Being past 70 I have seen many of these Rolling Stone Top 100 lists. The reaction is always the same, and I don't see the harm. The results reflect more the times than way back when.
Bob Dylan said the list means nothing because each generation hears there own version of ,"Greatest" and therefore has no real validity. last year Grace Slick wasn't even on the list but Mary J Blige was. There you go.
amen about Bing and Marrianne. my fav Rock voice is Mike Smith most people dont know about the Dave Clark five if he isnt there I would include John Fogerty
Love your show.. Now Mr Paul Rodgers is my favourite singer and to me is one of the greatest voices singers front men of all time. He’s can sing like a lion. He’s one of very few who can hit my insides. The soul the blues the rock, he just soothes your soul. Ann Wilson is my favourite female singer of all time. She a bit like the female version of Paul. How these 2 don’t make the top 200 is a joke. I’m used to Paul getting snubbed. Annie Lennox as well as the other ones you mentioned. Is Bob Segar on this list? And if they want to talk about presence and being a front man, then Bon Scott let there be rock live in 1978 is as good as it gets.
Good call on Bing Crosby. Always thought of him as parents' music when young, but when I grew up could appreciate his work, even if not a fan. Agree on Annie Wilson (just point to her rendition of Stairway to Heaven at the Kennedy Center for a supporting example) and Karen Carpenter, among others.
I've always considered Rolling Stone a bit hokey. I prefer the British Music Magazines like Mojo, The Face and Q when it comes to intelligent music journalism. These Rolling Stone lists have been sociopolitical for years. They have an agenda which one has learnt to expect. In fact, I enjoy checking them out for the "guilty pleasure" annoyance factor. Maybe this is why they publish them. Cheers Matt.
Matt, I just discovered this in my feed the other day. I am a long time subscriber but this went through the cracks- Anyway, when you mentioned Ronnie Spector, I thought' oh my I am not the only one that considered her overrated'.. My opinion is , kind of like Stevie Nicks, the charisma and image and possibly notoriety ( her marriage to Spector) have more to do with it than their talent. Again, my opinion
I would like to add Bob Mosley of Moby Grape (my favorite SF band). Check out his voice on the song "Three-Four" on their 2nd album - a slow countryfied composition. Man, that guy can sing!
I agree with everything you said here. Ozzy and Dylan though....I think when a singers voice becomes so iconic as a sound of the music, it becomes great. Is that a "frontman" quality so to speak? No it's the vocals. The singing. Pop/Rock doesn't demand virtuosity.
You hit the nail on the head when you called it 'click-bait'. All of these lists are pointless and misguided; disparaging, if not downright insulting to great singers not on the list.
Paul Rodgers is one if the greatest and should have been on there with countless others Judy Garland Lena Horne Tim Buckley Nick Drake Steve Marriott Steve Winwood and so many others missing.
Matt, Click bait? I'd say so as I just do not have time to scroll through all the replies. The fact that you do is mind boggling. kudos to a man that takes his videos seriously. Rolling Stone? Nuff said. I am just not going to look at the list, but it made me think of the old Melody maker awards which made more sense to me. I wonder how many best vocalists (male & female for each year) are top 200 material. I think back 1970 when Sandy Denny and Robert Plant won - before she guested on ZOSO. For me, singers are interpreters which makes it hard to separate the singer from the song. One thing that the list did is was to get more intelligent commentary from you Thanks for being reasoned commentator!
you speak all kinds of truth here, matt. ann wilson certainly understands how good paul rogers sings and i do too. it's convenient for rolling stone to change their lists every 10 or 15 years to correct the many things they get wrong. one thing they don't get wrong? the astonishing singing ability of john winston ono lennon who's better than mariah carey. great video! you say what you mean.
thanks to you i listened to "sometime in new york city" all the way through last night and had "the luck of the irish" on my mind when hearing about the passing of sinead o'connor today. there's no such thing obviously and he died on her 14th b-day. i respect your attempt to view lennon unslavishly (somebody's gotta do it) but i'm grateful for everything he recorded.
It’s really nice to see Karen Carpenter on the list, but I would’ve placed her in the top ten. She was undoubtedly the best female pop vocalist of her generation. A voice like no other.
As Rolling Stone wrote: "Before you start scrolling (and commenting), keep in mind that this is the Greatest Singers list, not the Greatest Voices List." Seems that many have misunderstood that point.
No, I don't think so. Here is their criteria verbatim: "originality, influence, depth of an artist’s catalog, and the breadth of their musical legacy," and most importantly, "they can remake the world just by opening their mouths." The last one is the most hilarious. Hell, Ethel Merman fit those criteria! Yeah, Ozzy Osborne really 'remade the world with his singing!' Ridiculous. Because it's called 'best singers' people naturally assume that vocal delivery, timbre, fullness, delivery, pacing, etc, would be appropriate criteria by which to judge. Look how they side stepped opera by saying: " You might notice that, say, there isn’t any opera on our list - that’s because our purview is pop music writ large, meaning that almost all the artists on this list had significant careers as crossover stars making popular music for the masses." Many famous opera stars HAVE crossed over. They're clueless. Their criteria is frivolous and insulting and they missed an opportunity to have a serious discussion about something that actually matters to people.
Ozzy is rightfully on the list. If you bothered to read the criteria, it's about voice character and distinctiveness as much as it's about pure voice tone and technical ability. Guys like David Lee Roth, Bon Scott, Ozzy, John Lennon, and Mick Jagger, can't sing like Aretha. But they have compelling styles. By the way, they at least included some metal guys for once, Dio and Halford.
Rolling Stones’ “greatest” lists have been a joke for a long time, intended to provoke a reaction. Would be interested in seeing your list. You have one of the best vinyl community channels out there. Keep up the good work. By the way, just because RS included John Lennon in its top 20, doesn’t mean he doesn’t belong there. But I should take my own advice and come up with my own list!
I’ve always found that Rolling Stone is far more concerned with image or ideological/cultural optics rather than focusing on the actual merit of music. Furthermore, Rolling Stone has always had an anti-McCartney agenda. If you think about it, he’s probably one of the best singers there has ever been. Think about how huge his range is, from his sweet singing voice to his full blown raspy rock voice. There’s no doubt he’s one of the best singers in pop/rock music. It’s a shame that they can’t look past their agenda and as you say, they are more concerned with click-bait, rather than really focusing on content. Nice to hear from you again, Matt! Really enjoyed your recent collaborations with John Heaton and Anthony from the Glass Onion podcast. Looking forward to your next band history video, they’re my favourite type of videos you produce. Hope you’re doing well and take care!
Hello Charles! Thank you for commenting and following the channel. I am working on 3-4 band histories at the moment so you will start to see them soon!
Then compile a list of "Iconic, Popular & Influential People that hold Microphones" but for the love of god, PLEEEZE stop calling some of these people singers! How would you like to be Ella Fitzgerald, or Smokey Robinson & be compared to Ouzi Ouzborne or Vince Neil?
Were you saying Axl doesn't deserve to be on the list? I couldn't tell by the comment. The guy had an incredible range. I believe he has/had a five octave range.
The list is pretty typical Rolling Stone. They sorta have a criteria for their ranking but they’re definitely willing to break that in order to put certain people in spots they want.
All the singers in the top 10 that you mentioned are awesome, but it would seem as though RS is more concerned about their own image, rather than making a more accurate list How very 2023! Your description of RS as a “clickbait periodical” is perfect! Bought my last copy in ‘89………..
Thanks for the video. Interesting reading the comments. I haven't read the RS article.... doesn't sound like they listed any criteria by which their "best singers" were chosen. Nor did they define the temporal parameters of "all time." Journalism 101 fail.
One more glaring omission: Levi Stubbs. Oh, well. If the intent was to get people to talk about the article, the magazine's "experts" accomplished that.
I have no intention of looking at the list, but I suspect that the recently-deceased April Stevens, the sexiest singing voice ever (listen to her solo singles from the early 1950s), isn't on it. Another great voice I became aware of just recently is the late Barbara Robison, lead singer for the Ashes/Peanut Butter Conspiracy. Are Tiny Tim, Mrs. Miller, Florence Foster Jenkins or Lee Marvin on the list?
Spot on with your comments re Paul Rodgers . Also failing to make the "top 200" Joni Mitchell ? Grace Slick ? Tim Buckley ? . No wonder I stopped reading Rolling Stone decades ago !
