Cardi B over Nas, Dre, MF DOOM, Kendrick (execpt for TPAB) is nothing other than disrespectful to people that has shaped the genre as we know it, and shows a clear lack of understanding of the culture around hip hop. There is no excuse to even have her on the list if you're leaving out Lupe Fiasco.
illmatic is a top 10 album by basically every metric imaginable. It's my number 1, but it at least HAS to be top 10. Was shocked when I saw its placement.
@@jamiehovis7722 As a white dude myself that is not an excuse lol. If they recognize the greatness of other very non-white works, they should be able to see the obviousness of this mistake.
@@godlyMike127 you’re right, these days middle-age white guys might know better than others, that was more true 15 years ago… still, Rolling Stone has never been about the music anyway, its a bunch of english and political science majors, the last thing they care about is the music. Just look at every influential popular classic they trashed on its release (only to rewrite the review later): Led Zeppelin, Nevermind by Nirvana, Jane’s Addiction, Dirt by Alice in Chains, The Rolling Stones late sixties and early seventies work, punk rock. I can go on and on. If it was good, unless it was Iggy Pop or something, you can be sure they wrote it off.
I literally blurted "ILLMATIC" out loud when he was wondering what #1 was. It is objectively the best. You have Nas going to fucking college english dissertations over this album. It's transcended mediums of art and cultures. How the hell is it not unequivocaly #1.
They definitely made this list exactly for people like you to react to and bring traffic to the site. It's gotta be shitty on purpose. There's no way anyone would think that Illmatic is worse than Invasion of Privacy. When I first listened to Illmatic I was in awe at how good the beats and lyrics were. When I heard Invasion of Privacy I felt nothing
i would argue that even if they did release over 200 rap albums, that does not make them the greatest😒. led zeppelin released fewer albums but all of them are 𝘧𝘪𝘳𝘦
This list was specially engineered to incite rage and violence. The way in which they effortlessly flow between a very solid pick to the most outrageous opinion on a record you have ever heard is nothing short of masterful.
@@postbloom9767 thank you! Idk what fantano was saying about it being relevant for 20 minutes. That album produced numerous huge hits that were the most circulated tracks of that year and continued to be relevant for more. It's one of the best party rap albums of that decade.
Illmatic at 24 is fucking ridiculous. Easily a top 5 record at bare minimum. Many people consider it the greatest rap album of all time, myself included. A lot of people have said this already, but Cardi B above Illmatic is so unbelievably ludicrous that you instantly lose all credibility.
I thought Illmatic was going to be number 1 to be honest seemed like a safe pick, not even in the top 20 is insane, but not as insane as Little Simz placed so low, as well as missing Aesop Rock, DOOM, Rodeo by Travis and anything better from Mac Miller
So ‘Miseducation of Lauren Hill’ was the highest placing Hip Hop album on their “Greatest Albums of all time” list but was somehow only 10th in the actual “rap album list”???
Can we all get Fantano to make his own 200 favorite albums list. That would be legendary, and I feel even if I didn't agree with some, everything would have an argument for its placement.
Whole Lotta Red was here and Fantano didn’t mention it, which proves that he does believe it’s a top 200 album and therefore believes it to be a great album. Thanks for the redux of your redux review Anthony!
Having Lil Kim's "Hardcore" over "Illmatic" "All Eyez on Me", "The Marshall Mathers LP" and "It's Dark and Hell is Hot" is absurd. To me those four should be at our near the top 5 with BIG and Jay-Z while "Hardcore" should be somewhere in the mid 100s.
The only one of that four albums that is top 10 is Illmatic. All Eyez On Me has a lot of filler tracks (same as Life After Death) and it's not even the best Pac's album (Me Against The World). DMX and Eminem's albums are good are but not top 10.
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The names of the creators are in the article and it's pretty diverse, hate to say it but these days it's mostly middle age white men who still know what quality HipHop actually sounds like
@@NasJuiced Where did i say that? All i know these days the music i hear people play sounds like trash and most don't know sh]t about real hip hop. since we were allready dividing people in to boxes if it's one thing you got to give to the "white man" when it comes to music is that they do give praise to the founders of a any genre, even if it can be out of snobbery
@@ShreyasKr... when i saw astroworld at 200 i knew it was some bs besides the top comments who already made fun of it. Astroworld is top 50 even tho im not a travis fan it had so mamy hits ane a very distinct sound .
@fantano Ay Anthony I wanted to point out the fact at 2:10 that CARE FOR ME is a project for therapy than anything else and really shows some truth of the matter that even albums on a top 200 of all time can leave audiences out.
According to this and the new 500 greatest albums list, The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill is somehow both the tenth best hip-hop album and the tenth best overall album of all time.
Lauryn Hill is extremely influential to toms of rappers nowadays and that’s a great record, so yea actually it makes sense they put one of the most influential albums of all time in the top 10
@@TheTrueJesusChrist I’m not opposed to her being in the top ten, I just love the blatant inconsistency of these “definitive” lists. Just a few months ago, Miseducation was ranked as the 10th best album of all time, the highest ranking hip-hop record on the list. Apparently the album has aged poorly these last few months, as it’s now the 10th best hip-hop album (which is, admittedly, closer to where I would rank it).
I was a little shocked to see John Cena's " You Can't See Me " above every Death Grips record, but I feel it's one of the few reasonable choices Rolling Stone has made lately.
Aging Gen Xer here. Lots of missing 90s rap. De La Soul, Digable Planets, Jungle Brothers, Ultramagnetic MC's, Pete Rock & CL Smooth's Mecca & the Soul Brother
We're playing into their hands. They have to be so trash on purpose to generate controversy and discussion based upon their platform. The more we talk about it, the more they win, they suck, don't bother.
Ah yes, “Ho, Why is You Here” deserves a spot on the top 200 over “808s and Heartbreak”, an album that is responsible for the sound of over a quarter of the records on this list.
@@dopeswitch957 I really don’t believe that’s the case, rolling stone is a very professional, respected and long running publication. I think they literally just don’t know hip hop
@@Sophie-gn9sn their 500 albums list is just as baffling IMO, but you're 100% right that they consistently miss the mark on thoughtful or even coherent rap criticism
@@Sophie-gn9sn Neither do yall white surburban niggas. That list is horrendous but what's funny is that you are complaing about it. You are one of them, white people don't have a say on hip hop at all. It is a black genre. "To pitchfork, Rolling Stones, New York Times and any other white publication. Please do not comment on black music anymore" - Kanye West.
Brooo finally someone showing love Onyx' All We Got Iz Us album which imo is a classic. I can see how in 1995 it could've gotten overlooked with all the other Classic releases from NY alone but still. Most Def has to be one of the hardest, darkest and grimiest song ever created. The whole record is dark and deranged, guaranteed to f your day up. Da Shining, Only Built, Infamous, Doe Or Die and liquid Swords and so many more banging albuns dropped that year.
Graduation- kanye west The massacre- 50 cent Rodeo and Birds in the trap- Travis scott Kids see ghosts- Kids see ghosts Man on the moon 2- kid Cudi Thank me later- drake All of these albums deserve a spot on this list
They may have had their misplacements, but at least even Rolling Stone recognized the sheer brilliance and humanity displayed by Cal Chuchesta's, "The New CALasic". I agree, and think it is the #1 album of all time.
Seeing Bladee's Crest at nummber 1 really made me start to respect rolling stone again. Ecco2k did get finessed a bit by only being placed at number 5 with the record E.
Illmatic definitely needs to be top 10, GKMC definitely clears invasion of privacy (and some of Mac Miller’s stuff does too), Chronic, Life After Death, & a few others need to be higher
Maybe it's just my time period, but I find the fact that The Marshall Mathers LP, Graduation, The Eminem Show, Get Rich or Die Tryin', The Lost Boy, Kingdom Come, The College Dropout, and From a Birds Eye View aren't even on this list is criminal.
: 10.Kanye West-Graduation 9.Gnarls Barkley-St. Elsewhere 8.Public Enemy-Yo! Bumrush the Show 7.Run-D.M.C.-Run-D.M.C. 6.The Streets-A Grand Don't Come for Free 5.A Tribe Called Quest-We Got It from Here...Thank You 4 Your Service 4.Beastie Boys-Check Your Head 3.Dizzee Rascal-Boy in da Corner 2.M.I.A.-Arular 1.Beastie Boys-Ill Communication
Saba care for me was an album people said was so amazing and underrated that year, but now I don’t think I’ve heard ONE person bring it up besides now or say it was one of the best albums of the decade or whatever.
@@Braylon1997 this is exactly what Shawn cee is talking about people literally gonna shit on cardi b even though it's not her fault it's just inconsistent list because idk what metrics they use for this is it sales? Because if we go by sales it doesn't make sense, and it's not influence or popularity either so yeah it feels like someone playlist just put on this list
@@R-H-B I think Lub bers meant objectively influential. It's like saying Paul McCartney and John Lennon are a Top 10 songwriter duo because they defined what Pop songs sound like in the 60s. In the same way illmatic defined what boom-bap had to sound like in the 90s … I guess, Rolling Stone decided Wu-Tang in the Top 10 was enough …
@@R-H-B Well, you can look how many rappers changed their flow after Nas' debut (e.g. Jay-Z's Reasonable Doubt, Eminem's Infinite etc.) and you can listen to the beat selection from 94 onwards. You can quantify influence for sure.
Would like to know their selection process. Invasion of Privacy above Illmatic feels like one of those things that would make any music magazine editor wince at the idea of publishing, but the process had already spoken.
I think I heard on the breakfast club that there’s a committee of like 500 “music experts” that vary from producers to executives and they decide what makes the cut
Happy you said it Anthony. "No Aesop Rock?" I agree. Labor Days has been top 10 for me for a decade now. Nobody was spitting quite like Aes back in the 90s.
Definitely a shame. I'm not gonna freak out as hard as some people are over the list, since it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things if the voting system Rolling Stone used ended up putting a Cardi album higher than it probably should have been, but... Not even ONE Aes album? :( Impossible Kid is by far the album I've played cover to cover the most times
Labor Days and Daylight EP is what got me in back then, and solidified as time passed with releases like Fast Cars, Danger, Fine, and Knives. I love Skelethon and Impossible Kid intensely as much as his old stuff. If you havent listened to his latest Spirit World Field Guide from 2021, it's a must. Seriously might be his best album he's created. It's incredibly balanced for how long it is. Some of the songs sound similar at first but then really separate after re-listening. Storytelling is on point and varied. No features either (not even a murmur from Rob Sonic or Homeboy Sandman). Again, might be his best yet!
@@darrnellnott07 I will back this furiously back this stance. It is, no doubt, his best work. The way multiple songs on the album cross reference other tracks is sweet. "Dog at the Door" is basically TL;DR on why Aes is a genius
My top 11, FWIW: 1. Public Enemy: Yo! Bum Rush The Show 2. Mobb Deep: The Infamous 3. De La Soul: 3 feet high and rising 4. Snoop Dogg: Doggystyle 5. MF DOOM: Doomsday 6. Company Flow: Funcrusher Plus 7. Jedi Mind Tricks: Violent By Design 8. Danny Brown: The Hybrid 9. Run DMC: Raising Hell 10. Ugly Duckling: Taste The Secret 11. Biggie: Ready To Die
@@Vikdeb25502 I can definitely see why, it's very of its time and intentionally gets a knee-jerk reaction from listeners because it is so profane. It might not affect me as much as others but that's besides the point that it is an extremely sensitive thing to be spittin' bars about in the way that he does. Saying that, his wordplay, flow, the beats all across the board; such a cold, hard record that I always love spinning.
The list is basically a shit post intended to stir controversy and clicks. I know no one expects much from Rolling Stone these days, but it still shows a pretty incredible level of contempt for their audience. Unless the list is genuine, which might even be worse.
Agreed, this article is a commercial for Rolling Stone Mag. No matter how much "thought" they put in to it or how much it was made by committee, it's still just a cheap listicle.
The fact that a Megan Thee Stallion album and Nicki Minaj's Pink Friday is over Kanye & Jay Z's Niggas in Paris on this list can already incite rage like an exploding volcano
I know man. I was also looking for Joaquin Phoenix to be on here for the I’m Still Here soundtrack. Seems like they didn’t really put soundtracks up for consideration.
Not likely to happen..... unless you can get some kind of giant collab between as many RU-vid and indipendent music reviewers as possible (to get as many opinions as possible to try and mitigate bias). Because the mainstream, in this case music, media has lost touch with reality and just does whatever they think will make them the most money.
The most objective list possible would be one similar to the Sight & Sound list of best films of all time. It would involve asking say 200 or 300 of the biggest living rappers, producers, people in the industry and music critics to send their 25 favourite hip hop albums of all time. Even that might be a little controversial but not as stupid as this list
