When the Romulons finally reemerged in the TNG episode with their ship (D'Deridex Class?), I was blown away. Typically arrogant, and with a ship as intimidating as their talk. Thanks for posting this!
Still, the D'Deridex Class was a clumsy big ship, which seems big, but had huge openings. If you search on the Star Trek Wikipedia it also states that the D'Deridex was even lesser in mass than a Galaxy Class starship, and certain less maneuverable. The equaled roughly in firepower, but the Galaxy Class higher maneuverability gave it just the edge it needed to win a fight one on one.
@@Snowwie88 Lesser in habitable volume, not overall mass. With somewhat less-efficient Quantum Singularity powered Warp-drive engines, and rather underpowered sublight maneuervering thrusters, for it's immense overall size.
You forgot the Reman Scimitar. Even if it's of Reman design, Shinzon was Praetor of the Romulan Empire, albeit for a short time, and it was his flag ship.
excellent vid mate, lots of info and well presented. Valdore is the last (2380's) class, would love to see some conjecture on the Lukan class (slipstream drive, updated tech)
I was always partial to the ships in the old Ship Recognition Manuals from the FASA role playing game. Truly some awesome designs from Romulans, Klingons and Federation.
The service lives of these ship classes seem short. The USN Arleigh Burke DDGs entered service in 1988, and are still active. Enterprise was active from 1962 to 2012. The Nimitz class has been active since 1975. No mention of the older Romulan ships being taken off deep space service and used for planetary defense, training, merchant escort, etc, which is what you do with large capital investments that are technically obsolete.
WEll, for Starfleet ships, some of the ships definitely have long service lifes. A huge example of this would be the NCC-2000 Excelsior class. Some of which is still in service 80 years later with the Galaxy class. Same with Miranda class. Several of which are still in service by the time of the Dominion War.
@@StryderK Your forgetting the USS Redshirt,( A.K.A. Oberth), Class. In First-line Federation service since at least the early 2280's, and still getting blown out of the stars on a regular basis!
I have to give the Romulan Star Empire credit they sure know how to build impressive and huge ships and how far they have come in the last 110 years since Kirk's time though I'm also surprised they didn't mention the Romulan ships seen in Star Trek Enterprise like the 2 that Archer and the others saw im orbit of that planet in the episode 'Minefield' where Starfleet had they're first encounter with that Galactic Super Power.
The D'Deridex class (from the end of ST:TNG Season 1) is an incredible bluff. From the front / Top it looks huge. Look in the sides and you can see most of it is empty space.
The defector M'Ret told the Federation the same thing. A weapon to scare you, but not a particularly good one. Because of M'Ret and others, the Romulans did create another class similar to D'Deridex but is only mentioned in non canocal literature, and that was the D'Kazanak class which supposedly addressed all the limitations of the D'Deridex and improved upon it all. The canon sub-replacement (stop gap measure) was the beloved Norexean or Mogai class. Smaller, but far better and was loved by its Commanders and crews for its speed, maneuverability and flexibility. Fast, deadly, and nearly as maneuverable as the dreaded Reman Scimitar Class.
I sure would like to see a video like this one on the ships of the Klingon Empire from they're early warbirds to the D7 class and K'Tinga class to the Vo'Rcha Class to the Neg'var Class to the B'Rel and K'Vort class Warbirds and they're size comparisons to each other and to other Starships of the other Major powers of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants.
I do believe that the V'Melak-class was actually called the D'Talla-class or Melak-type or type-A Warbird. The precursor to that was the Praetor-class from SFC2:EAW.
ah yes, the D'deridex, one of the most giant ships ever and somehow incredibly stealthy thanks to its advanced cloaking device, definitely one of the most unsettling things if you're federation is that battleships can just appear out of nowhere.
Did the show producers eventually scale down the size of the d'Deridex class warbirds? In "The Neutral Zone" episode it was HUGE, but later on it seemed to be around the same size as the Ent E.
***** Let's face it: if you see the ship evolution since the Constitution class, ST Tech Geeks are not really caring about that, since ships eventually almost exactly match a 1->2 increase on all vectors, X,Y,Z. Federation ships actually, because they look more or less the same in design (pair of out nacelles, saucer section, lower hull), you place a ruler on a comparison image and it becomes apparent. We can't point D'Deridex size (1K) as an inconsistency, when you have things like Europas, Intimidators (out of Sovereign) and others flying around (don't get me started on the Borg). A 1K sized D'Deridex actually makes sense to me, because in the scripts they made the ships sluggish and sub-light slow to compensate on a dog-fight for the fact that on a 1-on-1 against a Galaxy, if they had the same manouverability, it would be a massacre.
I thought that too, the Warbird in the neutral zone episode looked nearly 3 times the size of the enterprise. I think the next episode we see onr compared to the enterprise is contagion and it looks considerably smaller, less than twice the size of a gakaxy class.
Ushio01 They use on every ship singularity power reactors and not antimatter dilithium crystal ones (thas why most ships are bigger) but its also as d'deridex had huge cargo bays ect what galaxy didnt had as it was also the work horse of the empire as they had more spread habitable worlds. To it you have to admitt since its large size the technology requirements should be lower to make it thats why they had do many of them (and they gained tankyness on hull but lost speed and shields for it though). We even see it in norexans size.. its 2x more agile then sovereing and more fire power in Nemesis (well d'deridex had similar but more burst oriented what was good vs heavy ships but weaker vs many little ones) and even when larger then sovereign he seemed lower tankyness and shields (if not by much).
Nicely done. Romans are bad-ass! According to the scales used for StarFleetBattles, which has been around since the 70's, the original Warbird was actually quite small; roughly the size of the primary hull of the Enterprise. Not sure which is ultimately accurate.
No Klingon Bird of Prey? Leoonard Nimoy said that was supposed to be a new Romulan Warbird, but it became the Klingon Bird of Prey instead. That's why it has the painted bird on it's belly.
That is six of one and half a dozen of the other. Originally the Romulen's were to be in 'Search for Spock' and a design concept started for a Romulen BoP. This was based on a more muscular version of the original BoP and later became the Federation Akira class (this was then reverse engineered into the NX class thus closing the circle to Scottie's line about the original BoP being a stolen Federation design) For a while the Klingons in 'Search for Spock' were to have been using a stolen Romulen ship but that was changed to them using a Klingon design and the eventual ship was based on the Klingon philosophy (plus it could land) so the Klingon Bird of Prey is all Klingon (and later had predecessors in 'Enterprise')
Makes no sense that Romulan ships didn't have matter-antimatter power source before importing D-7s from the Klingons. That's what you need to have warp capability, and you can't have an interstellar civilization, much less an empire without warp.
I've always interpreted that: 'Their power is simple Impulse', line from Scotty in TOS: 'Balance Of Terror', to mean that the BoP the Enterprise encountered could not use it's fusion-powered Warp Drive while remaining cloaked and undetectable in Federation space on it's covert mission. It was clearly Warp-Capable, though. As proven by it's twin-nacelled design.
@@VideoSpaceFX It lost it's impressiveness for me in the '90's DS9 episode,(which name I can't recall), where a small fleet of D'deridex's, including several Cardassian Keldon-classes, was totally obliterated by the Dominion.
@@venariansolider1949 i know they traded a class of warships for cloak technologie but still its not a romulan class type of ship same as other country's use a leopard there not gone say its for example im dutch. Its a dutch tank.
Those were another type of Klingon Bird of Prey, not Romulan ships. The D-7 battlecruiser is the only known Klingon designed ship the Romulan's ever used as far as I'm aware.
It was Klingon. When the Klingons and Romulans had an alliance in the 23rd century they shared the design with the Romulans. It was actually the Klingons who developed cloaking technology and their alliance with the Romulans was also how the Romulans acquired cloaking technology.
***** ive read it. i havent seen all of the TOS episodes i missed a handfull but never seen the d-7 there as a romulan ship. so i though this was "insider backgroundstory" stuff. and thats were the question came from. did i miss an episode where this showed up?
Joel Dayton Your partly right. However, In as early as 2151 Romulan's where using advanced cloaking devices. As well as highly advanced Holographic devices. (Ref:(ENT: "Minefield") In 2268 There was a brief Romulan-Klingon Alliance. During which the Romulans traded outdated cloaking technology to the Klingons in exchange the Klingon's built a small fleet of D-7's for the Romulans. (ref:(TOS: "The Enterprise Incident.") One of the first Klingon Ships to employ a Cloaking device was the IKS Klothos in 2269 captained by Kor. (Ref:(TAS: "The Time Trap") Although Kor himself much later said the Klothos was a D-5. (Ref:(DS9: "Once More Unto the Breach") Although Kor is well known for, Stretching the truth. So we can't take anything he says seriously. It was in fact the Romulans who gave the Klingons Cloaking technology.
2:06 is the Valdore's type. I've seen it called the Mogai-class and Norexan-class on various sites. Think the Valdore was simply a fan given name because that was the name of Donatra's warbird in Nemesis.
vegasvillain No match for Galaxy Class ? In TNG Tin Man episode the D'deridex class warbird fires a short burst of distrupturs apon the Enterprice D and Worf says " Cpt our shilds are down to 70% wich means it could have taken out the Enterprice shilds with just 4 shouts. In another episode of Voyager (cant remember the name) the D'deridex fires on the Prometheus just once and the doctor says the shilds are down to 60%... In the Dominion War the D'deridex warbird ware the only ones whu could go tow to tow with the large Dominion Dregnouts.. Also if you watch TNG you woud know that every time Picard had to confrunt a D'deridex warbird tryed his best to avoid confruntacion The massive firepower along with its massive size and the latest cloking tehnology in the hands of a good captain the D'ederidex could fight any other shipin the Alpha Quadrant in a one on one batlle....except the Scimitar of course
+Doar Eu Galaxy < Defiant!!!11!!! However... A Vor´cha Class or the Negh'var vs a D´deridex Warbird... What do you think? A way more interesting tactical challenge....
+vegasvillain You also have to remember that these Romulan ships were warships and built for fighting like the Klingons. Federation ships were usually built multipurpose for exploring/fighting/housing, etc. An equal class Federation ship usually couldn't stand up to an equal class Romulan or Klingon warship who built their ships solely for fighting each other.
Bonkobonko lol no. The Galaxy class is the most POWERFUL Federation vessel. Even if you modify the Sovereign, the Galaxy could endure more changes and be still stronger. Besides, Sovereigns are expensive. There are only two to date. Whereas, Galaxies can be mass produced and could easily win a war. So, the Galaxy is the better.
1:27 You say it is a cruiser and a battleship at the same time which is it? Lol just kidding .... I do not even care you do not know the difference between a Battleship and a Cruiser. lol I make beats from my house man. I love you bro.. But seriously I can make you some custom fan fiction... TOP Quality
Hate to point this out but the romulans never had the D7 class they had the much older and then out of date D6 class which the Klingons gifted them in trade for improved clocking the........The D7 at the time was still the Klingons main ship so they would not "gift" a powerfull ship like that to the romulans.......
+Darthpathfinder The Romulan version of the D7 is most definitely shown in season 3's The Enterprise Incident. memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_Enterprise_Incident_(episode)The Romulan version is actually shown before the Klingon version. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klingon_starships#D7-class
It was also used by Romulans during the brief Romulan-Klingon alliance in the mid-23rd century. Romulans received some D7 and Klingons, in turn, the cloaking technology. All explained in the video.
D-9 Stormbird-Class. Basically identical to Klingon D-7A Class, but were also equipped with the cloaking device. Some of them mounted the devastating, but short-ranged, Plasma Weapon in the place of the normal foreward Photon Torpedo launcher tube.
***** I get what you're saying there, but perhaps that's like asserting that Adolf Hitler's favourite naval projects, the Battleships Bismarck and Tirpitz, awesome, scary ships for their time, that caused us Brits to utterly push the-then-limits of our weapons technology to finally destroy, that those two ships should be excluded from the proud history (mostly) of the German Navy? Just a thought. Personally, it was one of the things that I didn't like about ST:Nemesis. Just a big blunt instrument, and pretty ugly looking. Although, if you had fought in the Dominion War, and seen some of the crazy stuff they had, you might be forgiven for heading down the same road...
