Roofing Gutter apron and edge metal 

Ya the bottom little bend is supposed tomkeepl that from happening but when installed super tight that bend is smaller than a water drop through surface tension it will stay fixed to the fascia board which is exactly what you are trying to prevent.

Thank you! Yes ice and water with synthetic paper will be next video.

Haha there are so many people that will comment that think they know best. You got to watch what you do and say on here.

but great video lots of good pointers, just the simple stuff thats not a big deal like lapping the joints so you dont see them from higher traffic areas, i need to show all my guys this video. Maybe make them all watch it 10 times!!! cheers

Agree with you, many of us have greatly benefited from his videos. Also, Nobody wants a crack on their roof 😒

All of the good roofing channels show crack or holed underwear.

Thanks!

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@@GrandRoofingInc your crack was showing 😂

Lol I was wondering how long it was going to take for somebody to say that. I got one side completely done and was going through all the recordings I was like son of a b****. Oh well, sorry!

Grand Roofing Inc. No sweat Brian. We all got one!

It's weird, where I live not many people seem to care about that sort of thing. They'd rather just have metal going up the rake. Which does offer protection but not as much as if it were don't in the eaves. Guess they all wants something more visibly pleasing then something that actually makes a difference in if the eave fascia rots or not

What part are you talking about? I didn't cut anything backwards, there was one gutter apron I cut too short.

Looked like you cut your rake bottom on the Dormer side above the valley angled the wrong way but could have been I seen it wrong on my phone screen anyways not trying to hate I like your vids but yes bloopers would add a cool twist to your videos

Bottom drip edge always comes first

@@JoseOrtiz-so4in not necessarily if the house has ice dam issues..I live in northern ohio along lake erie..I always ice shield down half the facia board then drip then put a half row of ice on my drip

Grace ice shield states in their instructions that the ice shield goes first and drip edge over it.

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I don't see why you would need to. Using an apron is good. Was he encouraging aluminum for any particular reason? Aluminum is a little softer and more flexible, so wondering if that might be why, for him to get the gutter in easier?

@@GrandRoofingInc He mentioned electrolysis or dissimilar metals, but I cant find any aluminum apron so I'll stick some duct tape to the back so the metal doesnt touch the aluminum gutter. Probably a non issue with asphalt since they last maybe 30 years only.

It's a code requirement in most states. Idea behind it is if very high winds happen s and lifts the shingles the drip edge holds the paper down, less chance of tearing and getting the deck wet.

Yes still answering comments as best I can. As far as silicone on the bottom apron, if they install the roof correctly there should be no need for it. Although without seeing exactly what you're talking about I can't say for 100% certainty. You're other question with the 2" drop I'm not quite sure what you're talking about. If you have any photos feel free to send them over in a message on our Facebook page and I will take a look at them.

It looks cleaner for the first like couple of minutes after installing, but afterwards when the roof is complete, you don't even look at those sort of small unneeded details. As the shingles that overhang it cover up that area anyways

It depends on what the customer wants.

In your experience which one holds up better?

into...so water is kept away from the fascia.

Ice shield is much more expensive per roll, and each roll covers far less square feet than synthetic. So you put the ice shield on the sections that are most likely to experience ice damming (the eaves and valleys), and put synthetic on the rest of the roof that doesn't require such a heavy duty product. Technically the ice shield is the better product, but for the average roof it would be total overkill to use to cover the whole thing.

@@anthonygiesbrecht3107 oh interesting. Thank you for your response. I am a novice and starting working on my garage roof. Regarding the Gutter Apron would you recommend Anywhere besides Home Depot or Lowes? They don’t have many options

@@eambriz86 I'm not American so I'm not sure what those stores offer. But from what I know those stores are more frequently visited by homeowners rather than contractors. You're better off visiting the lumberyards that the contractors go to. General rule of thumb, refer to drip edge as "90 degree flashing", and gutter apron as "45 degree flashing". Different stores have different names for their products, but if you clarify what degree you want, it should help you explain to the salesperson what you want.

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No it's kind of hard to tell without seeing it if you have a picture send it to the Grand Roofing Inc Facebook page messaging, I'll check it out.

@@GrandRoofingInc Okay, thanks. I’ll check and see what it’s like right now. When it’s hot outside, it buckles and when it’s cooler it settles back to its original shape.

@@dtm8073 aluminum fascia always expands and then causes the buckle. I assume you installed it when it was cold and then nailed it. The bigger the facia board, the bigger chance of it "oil canning" as we call it. I install seamless guttering, and if we install in very cold temperatures, come next summer, "on occasion" not all, the gutter will buckle also. It looks as if someone actually kicked the gutter with their foot every two feet. Which is the space that you set the hangars. So in between each hangar you will see an inward buckle of the aluminum. The gutter can expand almost an inch in the summer if it was installed in temperatures below 40 degrees. Facia reacts the same way but to more of an extent because it is very thin metal.

Yes you should be able to add a piece of gutter apron. you might need to use a flat bar possibly if you have nails in the way but should be able to get it tucked under and tact off.

Yes you actually want to put your gutter apron over and into your gutter.

@@GrandRoofingInc awesome thanks

There ice and water seals and down to the decking yes as well as the apron. You could also hang the ice and water down over your fascia board like it calls for.

This is wrong. The dripedge/eave metal should be on first before ice and water. Exactly like it is shown in the video. Yes, ice and water is meant to stick to the decking, that's its purpose, to stick to the decking, and to seal around the nail protrusions to offer better chance at keeping water from flowing down the nail and into the decking If you were to put the drip edge overtop of the i&w at the eaves. If any ice damming happens, the water will simply have a chance of tucking itself underneath the eave metal. Water flows downhill. Then it will be contacting the fascia behind the gutters and cause it to rot.

Thank you Josh for the excellent explanation!

Sorry Darryl... think about how water flows. You would want it to go over the gutter apron and into the gutter and not under the gutter apron and into the fascia.

@@Josh-ww5kz Ice dams form from the roof edge up, ...even though water runs downhill. once ice gets behind your metal, it's on the decking underneath the ice and water shield. ...if the metal was on top, water would go to the felt paper then to the ice and water shield...never touching the deck surface, in short if you put metal on first, there is nothing under it to stop a leak. take a small survey...does metal go on before ice and water?...I say nothing goes under ice and water, and metal goes on after felt paper. 00.02 ...no disrespect