Roshi taking longer to perfect Kamehamaha than it took Goku to learn it absolutely does not mean Roshi is bad at Ki manipulation. Its much harder to create a technique from scratch than it is to learn one.
yeah the same goes for when Naruto learned the Rasengan in 3 weeks, it doesn't mean Minato who perfected the Rasengan in 3 years doesn't mean he is weaker but because like you said, it is hard to make something perfect from scratch
Considering that someone like videl learned Ki manipulation within a week or so, that’s actually perfectly reasonable. It’s also perfectly reasonable that Roshi could just learn to fly within a few days if he wanted to
Not nessarily, their are some original moves in Dragonball that were created in a short amount of time. Krillin's destructo disk, Vegeta's Final Flash, Yamacha's Spirit ball just to name a few.
@@artherfleck6718 Nah it's facts. What's even more hilarious is that Naruto could rashenshuriken bijuu bomb Goku's pinky and there wouldn't even be a scratch.
I always thought Gamabunta was talking to Roshi when he said "Screw you, pervert!" And I was confused on he knew Roshi was one. Now in closer inspection, I think he was talking to Jirayia when he said. Cursing out the man that summoned him to his death
Less death, and more being trapped and contained forever unless someone decides to break open the rice cooker Which... Is possibly just as bad as dying.
@@sketchydude8431 You can escape from sealing techniques, an example is Orochimaru who managed to escape from the totsuka sword where his vase locked him up forever,It only takes a reverse summon technique so jiraiya could get gamabunta out of the mafufa with a reverse summon jutsu, just like he did to get to myoboku
@@eduardoleon1674 the mafuba also has a time limit when performed with a rice cooker (as opposed to Kami's bottle), since centuries of erosion can create cracks.
It's worth noting also that Roshi doesn't actually HAVE to catch bullets. He can tank them; they hurt him, but he can tank them. Jaraiya lives in a universe where throwing knives are a realistic concern.
It's also worth noting who actually throws the knife. If you're in a tank and I throw a Knive at the tank, you're fine as the tank will protect you. If Superman throws the knife, the fact you're in a tank is probably irrelevant
@@seraphinaaizen6278 To be fair both Goku and Krillin have been hurt by regular old bullets. Goku was also nearly killed by a regular old ray gun. There are techniques pretty much the same as those in naruto's universe. I do agree that Roshi wins, but the point of him winning due to invulnerability isn't really a good one
@@henriw1956 "To be fair both Goku and Krillin have been hurt by regular old bullets." 'Hurt', but not injured. At worst, they get grazed or bruised. And the only time that's happened recently is when they've powered down to almost nil (Goku powered down so he could finger flick those bandits without killing them, and his ki control was compromised so he couldn't raise it back up to base levels quick enough. And we already know that at his base level he's bullet proof, because OG Android 17 was bullet proof, and he's a complete weakling compared to base Goku at this point). We also have no idea how powerful that ray gun was. Ray guns are powerful enough that they remained the primary weapon of Frieza's fighting force, despite many of those soldiers having a power levels in the thousands. Which suggests that the 'common ray guns' are still much more powerful weapons than almost anything in the Naruto universe.
Lets be real here. Fanboys on each side shouldnt be upset about the outcome either way. *You should be grateful they were spared the wrath of Farmer with a Shotgun*
Kinda like how I view Goku and Superman? Goku looooves fighting strong opponents and neither would go for the kill. Plus Supes would have someone who can actually take a hit from him and actually get stronger from said hit, all while not being a threat to the world.
Well obviously, there are so many fights where what would actually happen is ignored, because it's a Death Battle, they have to contrive it so someone ends up dead. There's this one, the more recent Obi Wan vs Kakashi one would have ended with Kenobi cooperating with Kakashi at the start, the Goku vs Superman ones would have actually been Goku asking to spar and so neither goes for a killing blow of course and at the end they shake hands then go out for food...
14:33 A small detail I noticed. Roshi didn’t stop firing the Kamehameha because he ran out of energy, he stopped because he almost destroyed his house in the background
Granted, Naruto (or should I say Boruto) are onto the gods of their own world now, and, technically, Naruto did defeat the god of his world (Kaguya) with the help of Sasuke, Kakashi, and Sakura I might add.
This, this is by far how most of the death battles with Dragon Ball/Naruto characters should end, them and whoever they fight just becoming best friends and skipping into the sunset.
Chocolate Guy blue apron uses all types of weapons such as meat, vegetables and the most dangerous knives and utensils. 23andme send in billions of mostly average joes and 95% of them are dead!
NYGiantsfan1029 yeah, probably. But they would definitely fight since Goku likes to fight strong opponents. But it wouldn’t be a death battle. Ya know. 😂lol
Just imagine how A character who can break a moon, could possibly lose against a guy Who at mountain level. This is up there as one of the most unfair death battles ever made
@@earthcakeplays2905 Im not so sure about that bud. First off, we all know Roshi speed blitz and out strength Jiraiya a million times, on top of which he has a hundred more years of experience. He also has multiple techniques that would even allow him to defeat characters much much stronger than him. Given his screen time in Super, Jiraiya ain't got nothing on Roshi. The only thing Jiraiya has over Roshi is drip.
I love how boomstick comes off as a drunk, hick idiot at first glance, but then randomly shows signs of being smarter than Wizard, dropping facts about guns, reptiles, and other random stuff, even having a doctorate.
Some fights are reasonable like killing the guy who murdered someone Then there are fights because the porno had no pictures Edit: now there are more recent ones that have dumber reasons to fight lol
one point you did not mention which was in Roshi's favor, is that his sister (Witch Baba) have her own lackeys who are devils, mummies, and other mystical creatures, and she summons people from the afterlife from time to time, so Roshi would have plenty of experience dealing with magical and mystical beings.
@@creeperkinght1144 this comment is a year's old... I guess I was meaning that Roshi has experience with summoned beings, and characters who use powers other than Ki.....
@@creeperkinght1144 Jumping in here as well: Chakra may not be straight magic, but even Death Battle admits it's basically Naruto's version of the concept. I think the idea is that, unlike Chi/Chakra "magic" (at least in the DBZ universe) is quoted as coming from outside the body. So the closest thing Naruto would have is Sage Style where the user draws in natural energy for power. But as Belalabusultan5911 said: Even if it's not directly 1:1, dealing with Baba and her lackeys would give Roshi more experience than most DBZ characters when it would come to fighting someone like Jiraiya, or any other ninja who uses Nin/Gen jutsu.
@@belalabusultan5911Roshi also said in the tournament of power to leave tricky opponents like the illusionist. So he does have experience again magic and illusions
For anyone who's keep thinking and saying "Roshi blowing up the moon is a comedy feat, and thus an outlier," the moon feat is actually fairly consistent after he blew it up Such as how when Roshi as Jackie Chun fought a Werewolf because he was mad him for blowing up the moon, and Kami using his power to reconstruct the moon are official plot points And how Roshi in official guides and promotional material is titled as "The warrior that blew up the Moon" Plus the fact that Roshi being able to hang with planet and Galaxy busters without slowing down (even defeating a bird warrior who Roshi himself said could give Goku and Vegeta trouble if they stayed around longer) further proves this.
I fail to see how it's a comedy feat. It was literally used to stop Great Ape Goku from killing anyone, and it impacted the story. The moon was recreated by Kami much later. That is, in no way, played up for laughs
@@Vindication1134 For reference, I agree with everything you're saying But at the same time, I can *sortve* see why somebody could mistake it for a comedy feat Not only has there been plenty of gag moments before the moon busting feat (Goku hitting Yamcha so hard he shattered a manga panel, taking the rabbit mob to the moon to make mochi ect ect) but the fight between Jackie Chun and Goku was fairly gag based well, such as the drunken fist part of the fight and Goku using his tail like a propellor Though again, by the context of the story and impact of the moon being destroyed it's not a one time gag, otherwise there wouldn't be so many moments to keep it consistent (like the Werewolf's goals to why he wants to beat Jackie Chun or Kami being stated to have re constructed the moon for example)
I thought Jiraiya would win this by a land slide at first but then I remembered halfway through the fight that DB Characters are physically superior to Naruto characters across the board.
Yeah but the way they ended it was waaaaaaay off. I mean after getting captured by that ginjutsu the persons body is completely frozen. How could he put him in the ginjutsu at all and lose? They should have ended it sooner because they made a fool of the pervert sages best move. I over all didn't like this battle.
@@dakodabaldur3037 It could be argued that Ki and chakra are more or less the same thing, just used differently. Theres no way to tell if it would or not.
Yeah I knew this would happen. But I would’ve preferred if this was more comedic since both of them are comedic characters. Sort of like the Mr. Satan Vs Dan 1 Min Melee.
@@darryljack6612 An object in motion tends to stay in motion? So, just because someone coming at you at Mach speeds is no longer conscious, doesn't mean his fist isn't still going REALLY FAST! A trick like Jiraiya's would only have saved him if he could also dodge while using it. Disabling the train conductor won't stop the train; you still need to get off the tracks to avoid getting hit.
@@maxjohnson7551 right except that sage mode augments your speed and gives heightened battle awareness and reflexes. That's why Naruto used it to take out the raikage. I'm not upset that he lost but that was a really dumb way to do it
@@maxjohnson7551 that's the wrong comparison if your car's transmission was shot or the battery or engine died the car was stopped would it not. This was even shown in Shippuden. Plus your forgetting the part (Unless acted upon by an outside force)
Considering they have 3D models in some games (most recent ones being MVC Infinite for Thanos and Injustice 2 for Darkseid), I don’t see many reasons why it wouldn’t be 3D, aside from time and work animating the fight itself.
Not sure alot of people know this, but buff roshi isn't a transformation. That's his actual form. He just nearly always suppress his ki, him getting buff is not a power up, it's more like at most given times he's only giving it like 30% and when he gets buff that's him giving it 100%
It's technically a transformation in the same way Friezas final 100% form is. Yes it's their true and full power but it's still a transformation to get there
actually, it's not his default state. He flexes his muscles to their maximum in order to be able to handle the strain of his outputs. A lot of characters do this. Cell and Goku even commented that it's a detriment because your body can't function normally and expends a lot of energy and movement in order to barely function.
One can literally blow up the moon, can fight several alien soldiers at once, and is considered strong enough to contend in a multiversal tournament to the death, while the other one Is the same but cant do those things.
The problem is Roshi's power levels are wacky, Ya he blew up the moon in Dragonball yet couldn't do jack when the very weak Raditz came to Earth. This issue is all over the place in the Dragonball Universe. Vagitta without effort blew up a planet in DBZ Saiyan saga and later at much higher power levels could only blow up mountains and scorch the earth instead of obliterating it. In the Cell saga Vagitta used every ounce of his power to kill Cell and only created a crater instead of vaporizing the planet. Vagitta's power level in the Saiyan saga was 18,000 his power level in the Cell saga was 2,200,000,000. You can't really compare them since DBZ is inconsistent as hell.
@@Valkaneer well tbh 1. If raditz was written that way the show would’ve ended 2. Vegeta wasn’t trying to blow up earth he definitely would’ve done it if he felt like it 3. Vegeta never destroyed earth in the saiyan arc thanks to Goku
weslar7 yeah, because it makes them take way longer to make the battle. Unfortunately, this likely is going to be onward now, even though I hate the animated hosts because It makes them take much longer than needed to make the battle
@@rubenperezalonso8726the fights Arne tmeber to be accurate only the result is the fights ar s meant to be the last verison of the fight more then anything
@Testigos de Kojima Not so sure of that. You see, Roshi only conquered that weakness for the TOP only. In the Manga (The Moro Arc), Roshi goes back to his usual perverted self because the was flirting to one of Moro's Girl Soilder
i have issue with one of your notations, just because it took Roshi 50 years to create the Kamehameha does not mean that he has weaker ki manipulation then those who learned it faster. it always takes longer to create something from scratch then it does to learn from a blue print
Yeah, I mean Naruto was able to create the Rasen Shuriken because of his idea of using shadow clones, that doesn´t mean that Minato and Jiraiya were bad at using chakra because they didn´t come up with that idea. for example.
If only Jiraiya has stated how broken that seal ability is. I mean the way his jaw drops kinda did but would have been more funny to have him say something like "That sealing technique is totally broken!" and maybe have Roshi reply "Yeah. We tend to forget we have the one lying around. I need to leave out a permanent post-it about it or something.".
Roshi: *Looks Jiriya in the eyes* Son, let me tell you....about the war... The Coochi War. THERE I WAS BACK TO BACK WITH JESUS! BIBLE IN MY RIGHT HAND MACHINE GUN IN MY LEFT.
@@naruto78961 The manga and anime are separate canons and neither is more canon than the other, heck you could argue nothing is canon since basically every non canon thing could be attributed as an anime original, a separate dimension thing or something else since truthfully, the Dragon Ball canon is wishy washy.
@@syedshakaibanwar2698 it is partly true but the author said at the beginning of the seriesof super, that the anime was the canon that remembers this not changed .. The manga is more to advertise the anime, that's why the manga depends a lot on the movies to tell certain events
@@brandonholder2483 Lol goku is easily completex multiversal. But you don't know how to scale naruto is hyperversal and he one shots goku Let me provide scaling. When naruto and sasuke were fighting kaguya in her dimension, each of the dimension had there own sun and stars meaning each dimension even low balled is multi planatary level. I can scale it to solar system level but I don't want to high ball. You can say that the dimension are smaller then our normal earth but that's not the case because there is no proof that it's smaller then our normal earth ,there is no statement for it. Plus I am low balling it . Second zetsu stated that there are infinite dimension of these , providing that there are infinite multi plantary size dimension. Meaning since kaguya destroyed it , she should atleast scale to complex multiversal. Plus I am low Balling her again. She was scared of base momoshiki and kinshiki, Meaning they both atleast individually should be relative to her . Meaning kinshiki and base momoshiki are complex multiversal. So the 4 kage are relative to base momoshiki and kinshiki all together, but fused momoshiki one shotted 4 kage Meaning they should atleast scale to high-complex multiversal, since they can one shot 4 kage who are complex multiversal. Naruto at base at 50% went toe to toe with fused momoshiki so in So6p mode he can one shot fused momoshiki. So naruto at So6p mode can one shot a high-complex multiversal level character. So at baryon he can one shot his So6p form. So baryon mode naruto scales to hyperversal and goku is just complex multiversal. So naruto one shots and solos dbs verse except character like zeno and grand priest
@@artherfleck3837 *AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA* Bro you're hurting my lungs cuz you got me laughing so hard right now. High complex multiversal level Goku and *BASE* Naruto? Lol the only versions of Goku that reaches that level of power is Xeno and CC Goku while mainline Goku is currently low multiversal. Naruto on the other hand probably reaches star level if we're using *REALLY* generous statements and scaling. Anything else higher is wank. The fact you think Base Naruto and Goku are in the same realm of power is so hilarious I can't even tell if you're joking or not. Everyone and their grandmother universally agrees that Goku stomps Naruto with little to no difficulty. Hell I don't even think Peak Naruto can get past Namek Saga Goku let alone soloing the majority of current Dragon ball. Tbh the only way I can see this fight being somewhat fair is if we equalise both characters stats in power/speed and that way you *COULD* possibly argue Naruto winning via clone spam and would have better ways of outlasting Goku's ultra instinct form. Even then Goku also have hakai and various haxes so the fight may not even go to Naruto's favor in a one sided manner. All dat aside tho, I think a better fight would be Naruto vs Ichigo since that's a fight you make a strong case of Naruto winning unlike him against Goku since realistically speaking Base Goku one taps the verse.
@@artherfleck3837 Accurately Goku is LOW Complex Multiversal, unless your talking About Xeno Goku who Is Complex Multi., but No Naruto Doesn't Solo DBs He's at best around Solar System, Low Multi with Meta Scaling.
Exactly. And the animation is not that great either. No offense to the animator. But it looks like it was done using Flash. (I'm talking about the animation of the cartoon Wiz and Boomstick)
problem: With or without infinity gauntlet? With: Thanos for certain. Literally just a snap away. Without: unsure. I go with Darkseid, since he can stand equal to superman, while Thanos still able to be knocked around by lesser powerful beings.
I love Jiraiya as a character and I personally enjoy Naruto more, but comparing power levels of dbz and naruto characters is like making a rabbit fight a gorilla.
@@jordanjackson8873 Roshi's speed is just too much for Jiraiya though. He not only blew up the moon, he did it so fast that also adds to his overall stats.
Yes, but people make dumb requests. People are still trying to get Martian Manhunter (a DC teambuster who powers up to Fernus, who oneshotted the Justice League) to fight Piccolo, a DB secondary character, while DC Power Scale>>>>>Dragon Ball Power Scale
Zayne simard moore Current Naruto and Sasuke could wreck anyone in OG dragon ball. Saiyan saga Goku destroys anyone in Naruto tho, the power gap between them is way to big
Keep in mind that the frog song does knock back. Pain and they were coming at them unless I’m misremembering something and they were stopped in their tracks. But I agree. He was already moving.
That’s true but even so jiraiya isn’t the one pulled into the genjutsu world so he would’ve seen him coming at him still, that’s what doesn’t make sense in this video to me he should’ve been able to get out the way before he hit him
Exactly...I thought It was all over now that jiraya made a stupid move tryna a counter a fricking Kamehameha with a Rasengan and that roshi would obliterate him to bits.....but that ending Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeh.
Well, that's just for fun. If they make a battle with the real Powers, Roshi wouldn't have yo used the Kamehameha. A single hand is enough to defeat Jiraya.
i think they just wanted to think of an excuse to use the evil containment wave tbh to get gamabunta out all one would have to do is resummon him also an excuse for gamabunta to show up
Me too :). But like one thing that bothers me is I don't see why they did a fight between Naruto and Dbz characters like it was just dumb asf imo. Like we all knew how it would turn out, DBZ has stupidly overpowered characters and feats. BTW I love both DBZ and Naruto if anyone wanted to know.
Yep i’m a naruto fan and pervy sage is my fav character. Not upset at all he lost he was outmatched from the getgo. I am dissapointed tho cuz now well have to wait a while for another naruto death battle. Wish theyd of done a not as clear cut matchup with naruto franchise instead of a stomp,
The only way Naruto characters can win is top level genjutsu or other mental attacks, or curses that cause instant death or something. Any normal combat attack is pretty much worthless due to the sheer power difference.
